From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 19:40:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DBB25848B9 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632BA2580736 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id URg71o0064oFfFQ01Rg7iN; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:40:08 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <57.F5.07747.9EFDAC35@cdptpa-oedge02> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:31:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 63 tr4, and although the first two owners heavily modified it, it does have the starter button down low on the engine. yes, it is very hard to reach. -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 5:18 PM To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Randall wrote: > > Also a question for those more familiar with early TR4 than I am : > Shouldn't the starter solenoid be up on the shelf, where it can > be reached easily? In the photos, I don't see how you'd get your finger > on the rubber button. > My recollection is that early TR4s had the button down there on the engine and at some point in production STC moved it to the shelf due to heat related problems -- so this one is possibly correct. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 19:43:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFAB2580758 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31E2580736 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa07-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id URg71o0064oFfFQ01RgAic; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:40:10 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "Triumphs" References: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:37:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net probably tr6 seats. the dash would have been metal. the dash, the seats, and ??? on the interior are not original. you will have trouble selling this car due to these flaws. likely there are other, non original modifications, further devaluing the car. you are better buying a car that the seller acknowledges the issues rather than someone who clearly does not know these cars. honestly, I would not touch this car. this guy is just a used car salesman. -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 1:15 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) NFI. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Other-Roadster-1962-TR4-ORIGINAL-CA-CAR-RUST-FREE-RESTORED-ORIGINAL-DETAILED-HISTORY-/321465220384?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ad8d1fd20&item=321465220384&pt=US_Cars_Trucks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave@ranteer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 19 21:59:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B8E2584ADF for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:59:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A2C258077A for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:56028] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A9/46-07747-B6E3BC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 03:58:36 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <6F467CC6F28046CABF195065E9345A4D@Ranteer.local> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:58:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+jvAnDWy/NwmdcS9uNIV3hYjKzJwADGB8Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sorry. What "issues"? Yes, some modifications have been done to the car, but that doesn't make it worth less. Some modifications make it worth more. If you're a true-ist and want everything original there's nothing I could see that wasn't able to be bolted back on. And cheaply. Most original Triumph owners modified their cars in one way or another because, admit it or not, our cars had drawbacks that needed fixed. Crappy seats. Huge steering wheels that broke. No tunes. Detuned engines. No cupholders. Saggy rear ends. You name it. The number of "original" cars is extremely limited. Most of the ones I've seen at VTR concours are receptors of what the suppliers have to offer. Trailer queens. I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including freeways. I would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, because mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, Nissan rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and subwoofer. And it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with modifications, is worth as much if not more than an original. Questions to ask are: Is the body straight? How do the doors/bonnet/trunk fit? Is there rust anywhere? Do the keys match? Does the body paint/interior color/overdrive match the registration tag? Etc. For $17,000, it's sounds like an eBay thing. Probably more like $12,000 on the open market, as it seems to be a straight and complete car. The modifications are up to the owner. Johnnie > you will have trouble selling this car due to these flaws. > > likely there are other, non original modifications, further devaluing the car. > > you are better buying a car that the seller acknowledges the issues rather than > someone who clearly does not know these cars. honestly, I would not touch this > car. this guy is just a used car salesman. > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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I hadn't tried, thinking you were still having issues with it. Thank you for doing that! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 8:30:48 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > I've decided to pay more attention to the spare parts I carry. And since archives are down Well, sort of. The archives ( link below for the real time folks ) are there and working. The current problem is that the data has not been updated for many months. I'm working on it at the moment, hope to make some good progress this evening. A lot of folks rely on the archives, I feel badly about them not working properly. mjb. ps: I did get 264 hits when searching for "facet" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 07:49:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99435258078D for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:49:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 914B02580041 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:49:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 27302 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2014 13:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2014 13:49:22 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id UjpE1o00m1NzpT901jpHcW; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:49:20 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=4GltuXffDxGCnLXXntkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=62698 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X8rUK-00064U-AT; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:49:16 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:49:13 -0500 To: JOSEPH MATO , "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews > References: <1405830086.33079.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Click the archive link at the bottom of any list message: Next to the list name "Triumph" click either Date or Thread In the search box at the top, type your search term (eg "facet fuel pump") click the search button For "facet fuel pump" there are 252 results. On the results page there's also a link "how to search" that looks like it could be helpful. Tony At 11:21 PM 7/19/2014, JOSEPH MATO wrote: >Can anyone advise how I can put the archives to work for me. thanks, Joe Mato > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 08:03:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FFC2580802 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:03:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C162580041 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:60114] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D1/7D-29174-2BBCBC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:01:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:01:22 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1405830086.33079.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140720134908.CF1092580795@autox.team.net> a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=ZSdzdHkL1-cA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=xBPpGeURAAAA:8 a=poo4b0zQI5HQhOhCKbQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1s0HCDYRt7kA:10 a=aTHpYNt3gA4A:10 a=MSD8F0gRmk4A:10 Subject: [TR] Facet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe Randall sent this link a few years ago. I cant remember what model but here is a good source for all things Facet. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 08:14:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057F925807DF for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C4F2580041 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 10so913719lbg.34 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=iJ1Cby8xyI5Tx3bKGv93zTLpNtVDp2wvcuYAxjiYw5o=; b=h/8VyaVbMlcAT8+sPvR1wUm6kFS1CViZPorgrjQzba4pd1+FC2IAEz1IMZsuCiM8dT ZG1wZ7vc0L2EAs+IuROkDDdvZBt2RFoG22wCjqQh0JLSNwurL8YYOCzW4giIuujARWJ6 F+93aYcxraHGWBdSJwvWMHf5xY1pH5EFHD+MG0bfOzsjV88ozO+zS6zs1/6GnlL3W3/9 tQxTI07WXtBCtAbC8iI6wTd5hVLwIn/OsDrKAHqmSeZwhYJP+t+BLwZKOqkVML89PzDH M39qaNs0eFCtXSLIt/nQf0EaLG3edo5ckoEs/0meIJq2s/bEX2G9atgxKcWg0adrF4wg Yvdw== dl7mr8879776lbc.34.1405865656708; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:14:16 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The one I used on my spitfire is, I believe, 40105: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php Note that it's Facet, not Fawcett. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > I've decided to pay more attention to the spare parts I carry. And since archives are down, does anyone know the number of the fawcett fuel pump that works on TR3's. > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 08:18:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31F12584897 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f47.google.com (mail-la0-f47.google.com [209.85.215.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992DA2580041 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:15:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id mc6so4019148lab.20 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Quce4zC8wPQUlffAl8ptwTpDY6dYD2jrKBH/hXBWG5o=; b=tvIm+g/sQlR4X/+PKoDaabFGPmIl6r0DfwiimGB+vRmYYhjIv4tq/mIfE8HzPsmCuN P+3ytVS2/nNz8nSu/+m0CVRWRrSNJ7qXThIIvPf8S+zzQyufH6wJtE8amv7Tw4upmcpw c54i4hjKmv2ccqm47Eu29HUdpzSiiZw67Uk+/K0rn/+XhVd5G28GV3mHQwv4UVrJu7qR MzIbP7QU+hr5OY83Dh+YLMSejSbgdEBXab0gr0J5LyPanM3fpb1bmbFFd4WnmuC2x56R 48r5ZmE09/Icf1n6J84H5Z12s2FepT83+oI/mjGI+848i7EG9/NlWrifGGNcNWlxfa4M BGlQ== pb1mr18465338lbb.4.1405865740780; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:15:40 -0700 (PDT) References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:15:40 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: terryrs@comcast.net, "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don't forget the Facet filters - they are a very fine mesh to protect the pump. Use them in addition to your regular filter. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > The one I used on my spitfire is, I believe, 40105: > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php > > Note that it's Facet, not Fawcett. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:53 PM, wrote: >> I've decided to pay more attention to the spare parts I carry. And since archives are down, does anyone know the number of the fawcett fuel pump that works on TR3's. >> >> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 >> New Hampshire >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 09:14:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CEB25805EE for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:14:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F4F258043D for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2014 15:15:04 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.132] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2014 15:15:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2014 15:15:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 36335 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2014 15:08:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405868903; bh=AOjuvWVoJeZutO3Ete1KT2ONKbblvrktl4EsKKUFpBo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L9gRFacecqpYbc+1gG351WB3MAyMSgG09vJ+uWhaiPtLUZ4DVYMlYgkrMRZ2yXrdCMH8Qw8waB66FPwXwh4eo09D+1Cp+rEEzVdnFp8saUr8Kvxb2prpNUPOughiazf4tmbEykCz/JCRgY/uhUOk4TtBlgkbeAcTCagNOYMrFiA= tXcxg06.uc0sXaYJScTEJevdh6q8dyxAah5P7wCBL6Fg47IIe4xjRE14H0YJ _jZ5XLaMGlx3OFU_PzPbEcW.PqSuW.pkoMS_FDj5Y36DsS0RnCm0S7bOqoGE 4de_5XSSwEY4QGkmBj7y0ao7qVGgFrWQcDUwfTDQAVZFuaWHL4baMuvVtu6_ BWDShoPlt_KzJB5Xqz5WuMP5Iyhdynbzm3L3sbQ8KR8uG9UcOqM0rIqFGdmt SUL9YavGrXmhgvt9DZukC_yW7LTkxhe40odm76aR6sM6D_Ktqi5inoXNRsPk dI.hzvtePctvGH.3qUPayDxhYhLH_.EbQbiDCeEhDRiYAHN9O3HwrnJkXWrI CyCzCuGPx5wMgpZpFcQgiZfAarVxFHtrtw9DMPJ8zUBDBIop7KM6CNfVDYvE zs5jGkkceyTxRZfdYhfbMj355tTqI0oK.RyHq7z.x9NViOTYvI1iVKnvcKka n8KUou18FtTlqdiYoc9L5JtpjISTMuPEVeS9nfMnhshGnMsiluI8oZACYPVL m61c90O9tjAxPWYHp Received: from [98.209.28.144] by web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:08:23 PDT TGlzdC7CoCBJIGhhdmUgYSB0eXBlIEEgT0Qgb24gbXkgVFIyNTAuwqAgSXQgaXMgZnJvbSBhbiBBdXN0aW4gSGVhbHkuwqAgT24gb2NjYXNpb24gdGhlIE9EIHdpbGwgbm90ICJraWNrIGluIiwgd2hlbiBJIGhpdCB0aGUgc3dpdGNoLsKgIEkgdCBhcHBlYXJzIHRoZSBzb2xlbm9pZCBpcyBub3Qgd29ya2luZy7CoCBUaGVuIGJ5IG1hZ2ljIGl0IHN0YXJ0cyB3b3JraW5nLsKgIEkgaGF2ZSByZXBsYWNlZCB0aGUgc29sZW5vaWQsIHJlbGF5IHVuZGVyIHRoZSBob29kLCBhbmQgdGhlIDMvNCB0aCBnZWFyIHN3aXQBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:08:23 -0700 From: ron landis To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Type A overdrive question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List. I have a type A OD on my TR250. It is from an Austin Healy. On occasion the OD will not "kick in", when I hit the switch. I t appears the solenoid is not working. Then by magic it starts working. I have replaced the solenoid, relay under the hood, and the 3/4 th gear switch on the transmission, also checked the spacers, and checked the Ground wire. Any Ideas?? Thanks Ron ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 09:44:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B602925807AF for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:44:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4FD2580454 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.1.110]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id UfkG1o00p2NQVAW01fkP6y; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:44:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'ron landis'" , References: <1405868903.89906.YahooMailNeo@web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:44:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHFiwYAV0R9d34HOYPNYCdLtamb6Zu9S/Ig Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Type A overdrive question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ron: with the ignition on and the car in 3rd or fourth you should hear a distinct click when engaging the overdrive. If you hear a click, check you have plenty of oil in the system. If there is no click, the problem is electrical. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ron landis Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:08 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Type A overdrive question List. I have a type A OD on my TR250. It is from an Austin Healy. On occasion the OD will not "kick in", when I hit the switch. I t appears the solenoid is not working. Then by magic it starts working. I have replaced the solenoid, relay under the hood, and the 3/4 th gear switch on the transmission, also checked the spacers, and checked the Ground wire. Any Ideas?? Thanks Ron ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 10:40:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CD62584917 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E4525804F3 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ugg71o0011GXsucAFggFAU; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:40:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UggD1o0093eKESF8UggDqP; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:40:14 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:40:12 -0600 References: <1405868903.89906.YahooMailNeo@web181506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: ron landis s=q20140121; t=1405874415; bh=AfYZngYdqcu2DKhXfxFOyeTyFiNKjN2dWcdPzr3vIKA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=Yv5C1vyA2GTh7Bp7UtuZH/WniVMx53idCDt6wMq8fZbOHCGozyDdYyPbjmfMhDilX +kZURP87w2wdX+wFRspIfog66bMKEQ2djS5KsOE6JoyDPTp32VLnmaMm2AUGJlQ8yj Q8R2Bt1bJ4/CW4SLgk3rxI7pTS7RHxoOEhy5sVmUU9Ss6fryROerrkeus/Z3GX7l/H TI6x6Cs6vpH2LgnWQKU+ge+zrh/OU36JapsHweyTWwSTTOugKx5/K8HM1PqumUbeCI 2gTgRuDjzvbbKCV8FSiVMleaCzqkZuhkGpkccXJhfZLIFWurGddrmiZznDX9WsTNgE mkXurOBseW+pg== Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Type A overdrive question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ron, Check the wires on the OD column switch. I had a similar problem and it was one of the wires on the switch that appeared to be connected but was broken and would work/not work intermittently depending on the last bump in the road. In addition, I also had a bad relay that happened about the same time that caused me to chase my tail for quite awhile. Always fun when two things are bad. A careful soldering of the switch wire was needed and fixed the problem (along with a new relay). Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:08 AM, ron landis wrote: > List. I have a type A OD on my TR250. It is from an Austin Healy. On > occasion the OD will not "kick in", when I hit the switch. I t appears the > solenoid is not working. Then by magic it starts working. I have replaced > the solenoid, relay under the hood, and the 3/4 th gear switch on the > transmission, also checked the spacers, and checked the Ground wire. > > Any > Ideas?? > > Thanks > Ron > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 10:49:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FFD2584442 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:49:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A812580715 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.16] (184-97-206-189.mpls.qwest.net [184.97.206.189]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9000IL3S241Q80@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:49:17 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-20_02:2014-07-18,2014-07-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407200224 From: Joe DeMuth Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:49:15 -0500 To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Annoying "bulb-blub-blub" sound Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody know what causes the "bulb-blub-blub burble sound you get when you let up on the gas, especially loud in higher gears. It sounds like muffled explosions in the mufflers. My car (TR6) has started doing it excessively and I really would like to get rid of it. So far I have adjusted the valves, checked timing, checked the lean/rich mixture and all seemed fine. The next step is to slap another set of Strombergs on to see if it goes away. I am stumped. The sound started about 1/3 of the way back to Minnesota from the Hot Springs British Car Week gathering in early June and has been getting worse ever since. Other symptoms, hesitation on acceleration and some missing. The distributor has recently been rebuilt by Jeff at Advanced Distributor so I dont think that is the culprit. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 11:04:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394082584918 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314912580723 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52852] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 55/1C-07747-7A6FBC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:04:40 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There is useful information on this site, written in Healey, some of it translates to Triumph. http://www.healey6.com/replacement_parts.htm ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 11:05:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D084925848F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D942584918 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:04:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 23/EE-27317-1C6FBC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:05:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Joe DeMuth'" , "'Triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:05:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+kOpC2eqfOCP6DRTuL2DdrBgmK/wAATAbQ Subject: Re: [TR] Annoying "bulb-blub-blub" sound Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Does anybody know what causes the "bulb-blub-blub burble > sound you get when > you let up on the gas, especially loud in higher gears. It > sounds like muffled > explosions in the mufflers. That's usually just what it is. The carbs tend to go lean under deceleration, and with the throttle fully closed and rpm high, combustion chamber pressure is very low. As a result, the fuel/air mixture doesn't burn in the cylinder. But it does burn eventually when it gets into the exhaust system. The hesitation and missing would also point to mixture being too weak, under the conditions where it happens. Probably first place I'd check would be the diaphragms in the carbs. A split or leak can cause the mixture to go lean. Another thing to check would be the bypass valves in the carbs, which exist just to prevent this from happening. You could also try going a turn richer on the mixture adjustment and see what effect that has. Sometimes, a reduction in exhaust backpressure will make the problem worse. You might check the exhaust for leak or missing baffles in the mufflers. I assume you've already done an ignition tune-up. New plugs (or at least clean and gap), points, etc. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jul 20 11:19:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3541925848B7 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290A258077E for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:18:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 15/19-07747-90AFBC35; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:19:06 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'ron landis'" , Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:19:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+kLWRIAfuxQ0kwQ3a9P0qbzZFoDAAD3sZw Subject: Re: [TR] Type A overdrive question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It appears the solenoid is not working. Then by magic it starts working. > > Any Ideas?? Get a meter, hook it up, take a test drive. If there is power getting to the solenoid when it fails to engage, then you have divided the problem in half (it's not in the control switches, relay, etc.) Then do it again with the cover off, so you can do a visual on the solenoid. If it is getting power but not moving, your new solenoid is bad. Did you check the solenoid adjustment after changing it? If you just used the "pin in the hole" method as given in the book, I would suggest trying the "ball lift" method given in the Buckeye Triumphs articles. Sometimes the internal components wear enough to make the hole method inaccurate; and erratic engagement can be a symptom of incorrect adjustment. The ball gets harder to lift when there is full pressure against it, so the linkage flexes more and doesn't get the ball off the seat. Also check how far the solenoid plunger can fall. Some ODs have an adjustable stop there (which can fall out), some just use a rubber button (which can also be missing). If the plunger falls too far, the solenoid may not be able to pick it up. But usually the solenoid burns up soon after, so that probably isn't the problem. In my most recent round of A-type problems, it was the pull-in contacts inside the solenoid that were intermittent. Since it had already been changed about 15 years ago, I decided to try adding a snubber diode to protect those contacts. Dunno if it will actually help, but it should. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 04:11:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E46D2584B8C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5102580449 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.143]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B797E70000081 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mea08b.mail.aol.com (core-mea08.mail.aol.com [172.27.62.8]) by mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 750A838000082 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: loumetelko@aol.com Received: from 162.234.100.47 by webmail-m276.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.243) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1405937468; bh=Wh5Vxlv/GSBro2JL1Myf3jLXJf1g8KviJ4TugJKL96M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tSkZa8hcC0KFn+DGH2RTWNCnPV1KpxVHfXxXTx8AHdp6Q4oiN6HVLo5fY/6Zd9Zm6 SYquS23spBx87HecVOPc3WYxfZCCGLX3Mp1WsH+VHhtolzY6KbRqSSTHkOKk5ez5k+ 0DrxBFvF6OI25wesCZf3t/u25fnHoUg7wsFE4w7k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b018f53cce73c1882 Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net . I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including freeways. I would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, because mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, Nissan rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and subwoofer. And it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with modifications, is worth as much if not more than an original. What is sad for me is that you still claim to drive a Triumph! You really should have bought a clapped out Camaro, then no one would care when you piled the "mods" on it. Surely you jest in saying that your modification laden "street rod" is worth more than an original! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 14:16:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0BA25808D7 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495DC2580453 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (184-97-206-189.mpls.qwest.net [184.97.206.189]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N92000HYWC8NJA0@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:16:58 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-20_03:2014-07-18,2014-07-20,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407210230 References: From: Joe DeMuth Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:16:59 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Man, lighten up. To each his own. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: loumetelko@aol.com > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about > it) > Message-ID: <8D172E33927819F-3F4-EEAB@webmail-m276.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > . > > I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including freeways. I > would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, because > mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature > comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, Nissan > rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and subwoofer. And > it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with modifications, > is worth as much if not more than an original. > > > > What is sad for me is that you still claim to drive a Triumph! You really > should have bought a clapped out Camaro, then no one would care when you piled > the "mods" on it. Surely you jest in saying that your modification laden > "street rod" is worth more than an original! > > > Lou Metelko > Auburn, Indiana > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 > **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 14:45:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497CD258068F for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:45:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B23258054F for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=jerryvv@roadrunner.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:18410] helo=cdptpa-web04) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id AA/5C-27317-FFB7DC35; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:45:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:45:51 -0400 From: To: Joe DeMuth , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:45:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well said Joe, I agree. JVV ---- Joe DeMuth wrote: > > Man, lighten up. To each his own. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) > > From: loumetelko@aol.com > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about > > it) > > Message-ID: <8D172E33927819F-3F4-EEAB@webmail-m276.sysops.aol.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > . > > > > I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including freeways. I > > would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, because > > mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature > > comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, Nissan > > rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and subwoofer. And > > it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with modifications, > > is worth as much if not more than an original. > > > > > > > > What is sad for me is that you still claim to drive a Triumph! You really > > should have bought a clapped out Camaro, then no one would care when you piled > > the "mods" on it. Surely you jest in saying that your modification laden > > "street rod" is worth more than an original! > > > > > > Lou Metelko > > Auburn, Indiana > > > > > > ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 16:00:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FE7258447E for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:00:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A912580721 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:58:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hu12so13620086vcb.28 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:58:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Wo8UIkmfRuvvvirV6FrmKXVRcWJJd9TRZUi2D4BO4D0=; b=HYWPcrTeBbRGGC+R8DGL6f14AftIwqmxKcEuisKW8wM0O/sV3kHPDP1M5mmPqm08vA o0G8lacbJGBV0JEPm9EaGVLk5W9hUIYbPXcerpf7l5a4r8R/xefrVMsalLctZHZpWNBy XPDQFGyk3b7B1LJXPxGhVaV61rPvw43beGxtBEXtq/rXNax19lY2LS5g2PdJ+j9NVvA5 NBKvDZxY7EULqGH63sjS4oVAhdZFAKb4oMfOVv5wJE3SET4lg25vosrYLraTCN9pMO/U FxV25aW1Sq54eTXkvr6QXGU0CnXoRSdPDFRPf1cl5wb9CEG8Fa24Ouzj1G/NlwMXa0pT dnsA== t7mr33822800vca.1.1405979914060; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:58:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 14:58:34 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Who is supposed to lighten up? John, who declares on a Triumph list that he uses a Toyota gearbox, Miata seats and a Nissan rear because his TR 'sucked'? Or Lou, who is saddened by this wholesale replacement of Triumph parts with Japanese parts? I realize anyone can do what they wish with their car, but if sentiments are expressed I have to agree with Lou. Geo On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:45 PM, wrote: > Well said Joe, I agree. > JVV > > ---- Joe DeMuth wrote: > > > Man, lighten up. To each his own. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) > > > From: loumetelko@aol.com > > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > > Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about > > > it) > > > Message-ID: <8D172E33927819F-3F4-EEAB@webmail-m276.sysops.aol.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > . > > > > > > I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including > freeways. I > > > would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, > because > > > mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature > > > comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, > Nissan > > > rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and > subwoofer. And > > > it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with > modifications, > > > is worth as much if not more than an original. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is sad for me is that you still claim to drive a Triumph! You > really > > > should have bought a clapped out Camaro, then no one would care when > you piled > > > the "mods" on it. Surely you jest in saying that your modification > laden > > > "street rod" is worth more than an original! > > > > > > > > > Lou Metelko > > > Auburn, Indiana > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 16:41:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 185A2258447C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ewout02.consolidated.net (ewout02.consolidated.net [206.123.242.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B8925807BA for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([66.116.2.195]) by ewout02.consolidated.net ({9744f80f-ffab-4f7d-80fc-0b2062ff99e3}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPSA id 20140721224047540 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:40:47 +0000 References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> From: Home Consolidated Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:40:39 -0500 To: Joe DeMuth Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Joe. There are more than enough in museums, and I want not the car Dad bought in 1959 but the car I wanted in 1968. And the modern upgrades really do make the usable today. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Joe DeMuth wrote: >> Man, lighten up. To each his own. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:11:08 -0400 (EDT) >> From: loumetelko@aol.com >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about >> it) >> Message-ID: <8D172E33927819F-3F4-EEAB@webmail-m276.sysops.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> . >> >> I drive my car every day to work. 15 miles each way including freeways. I >> would really be put off if I had to do that in the showroom car, because >> mine was that at one time, and it sucked. So I put in some creature >> comforts, Miata seats, better brakes, a tuned engine, a Toyota trans, Nissan >> rear end and bigger tires. And, oh yes, a stereo with amp and subwoofer. And >> it looks bitchin too! I'll venture to bet that my car, with modifications, >> is worth as much if not more than an original. >> >> >> >> What is sad for me is that you still claim to drive a Triumph! You really >> should have bought a clapped out Camaro, then no one would care when you piled >> the "mods" on it. Surely you jest in saying that your modification laden >> "street rod" is worth more than an original! >> >> >> Lou Metelko >> Auburn, Indiana >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Triumphs mailing list >> Triumphs@autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 >> **************************************** > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 17:16:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0393A258448F for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:16:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369A32580722 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:13:14 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=8CZNm0iBSrwA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Dp1AGW-57YfI9Brzk3wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=j2km3NPClWKobniiW0jQ5g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.5] ([10.35.79.5:57269] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 3F/59-24847-F9E9DC35; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:13:35 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=8CZNm0iBSrwA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=Dp1AGW-57YfI9Brzk3wA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50190] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id B6/54-09254-E9E9DC35; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:13:34 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: , "Home Consolidated" References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <5B4AF9C1-43D4-4A2C-BD8B-33ADD0B80B6D@consolidated.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:17:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with Joe also. It I would have been able to by my 1968 TR4A when it was new, I would have been modifying it the whole time I had the thing right up to when I went into the service.. But then I grew up in California in the '50's and 60's so modifying cars was expected. As far as value, I don't think anybody who owns a Triumph is even remotely considering selling it unless there is some unfortunate circumstance that is forcing them. So, what it's worth hopefully is no more important that what it would cost to replace it. One other point is that if you have ever watch one of these televised auto auctions, the value of a car completely depends not on what the owner thinks it's worth but what the buyer thinks it's worth.. Now, let's get back to enjoying our cars!! Dave Connitt 1968 "slightly modified" TR4A. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 17:21:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D2A2580BA2 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF092580722 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:20:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [81.136.238.82] (port=36553 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Mt6-00456Q-RI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:20:57 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:21:07 +0100 Thread-Index: AQGD6RrnK0Ufti5paJH9jnfFyz2bKgJVGq/LAbpT8ACcIiH5gA== Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to get home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - and those seats were h**l !!!!! I've no wish to ever ride in an MX5 again and they're ten for a penny here - as everywhere else for that matter. Most them seem to be driven by women "of a certain age" who are in bottom lip biting mode at 60mph and terrified their blonde highlights and false fingernails will vanish in the slipstream. Gimme a sidescreen TR with the Michelin X tyre technology of fifty years back and an overdrive and I'll be as close to heaven as one can get this side of mortality. Same goes for a Mk 1 GT6, Healey 100/6 or late model 3000 for a narrow English road, a slick surface and a few unexpected surprises thrown in for good measure. Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 18:28:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CF5258445A for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE6925802EB for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.156.253]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LsRIM-1WP5u82V68-0122kc; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:28:30 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <5B4AF9C1-43D4-4A2C-BD8B-33ADD0B80B6D@consolidated.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:28:29 -0400 gMwnLiOLEUoe+sR73nzBeB1JB5VISeFg0itXMZ0/bjujO0YBJj qYp+K5MsVsqIkB1bbA5ZHA/Y88a3fAIfn3GvnjafwsuAai5Asq 6Mu/g0tw3Z+8NuqheQDLzFJDSdzoq2PIdGDKZyMP3PJ5caYCGk DwNzhMuPnq8HO7+w6eJhS37lV9UmrDtAAM+mNq1p0LePzAgVXN os8uKKCAn5XqM78UBVAKoaL33ga1Wmd1N6G6fcsKDsx/DE5kHC gZsiO2yNgLlyWgUmVWDtUm7xm19bzLSGYvK9ehaorwozmjJ2L9 CrSKh47PAw0O19wB8zcZLXqlJutyw10ojodGDthFF Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm late to this party................... for the first 10 years of ownership I kept my car completely stock..... stock and somewhat reliable....but I got tired of constantly chasing backfires, misses, stumbles, hesitations, carb tweaking, bad rotors, a marginal wire harness etc etc. Some guys love spending hours tweaking, fixing and chasing those types of problems and their trunks are fully stocked with tools and spare parts. God bless them and their perseverance. So modification #1 was a modern alternator and a AAW wire harness that has eliminated any and all electrical problems for the past 10 years.... Following that was converting it to Throttle Body Injection..... yup fuel injected the way it should have been done..... starts instantly at any temperature, instant throttle response, no misses, backfires etc and gets great fuel mileage.... I set the timing 8 years ago and it's never needed to be reset..... then a Toyota 5 speed and a Nissan Q45 differential along with CVJs..... and the list goes on and on.... In my mind I've lost none of the TR6 driving pleasure but have made it 100% more reliable. These guys seem to agree with me http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/2009/02/01/hmn_feature1.html Any other TR6s ever been the cover story for Hemmings? And don't knock the Miata seats with a headrest that actually protects your head! BL should have stayed with the safer early seats. If I ever sell the car I bet it does better than any other '75 in similar condition....... In fact there was a thread on the List a number of years back where value/desirability was ranked #1- 4 Speed with OD, #2 - 5 speed and #3 - 4 speed. I may not agree with what some people do to their cars but it's their car, it makes them happy and it keeps the car on the road. Let's not be quick to criticize and judge. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 20:24:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26BF2584C55 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:24:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S30.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s30.hotmail.com [65.55.116.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7CA258445A for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 20:24:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU402-EAS120 ([65.55.116.73]) by BLU004-OMC3S30.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:24:25 -0700 From: marty To: =?utf-8?Q?John_Macartney?= , =?utf-8?Q?Triumph_List?= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 02:11:38 +0000 FILETIME=[0E270D70:01CFA554] Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Triumphs_Digest=2C_Vol_7=2C_Issue_198?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We bought a Miater last spring. Ibll be honest, at first I was like eh, this is not my favorite car. After driving it for a while, its my DD in the summer, and getting a feel for what it actually had in store for me I fell in love with it. It doesn't have the power of my TR6 or TR8 but the darn thing handles like it on rails. Air is cold and cruise works great. I can put the top up or down manually while sitting in the drivers seat in about 30 seconds and it does not leak. I have a 35 minute drive through the country each way to work and I have a blast in the cures. I don't think tires are going to last me long in this car. Marty Sent from Windows Mail From: John Macartney Sent: bMondayb, bJulyb b21b, b2014 b7b:b21b bPM To: Triumph List Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to get home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - and those seats were h**l !!!!! I've no wish to ever ride in an MX5 again and they're ten for a penny here - as everywhere else for that matter. Most them seem to be driven by women "of a certain age" who are in bottom lip biting mode at 60mph and terrified their blonde highlights and false fingernails will vanish in the slipstream. Gimme a sidescreen TR with the Michelin X tyre technology of fifty years back and an overdrive and I'll be as close to heaven as one can get this side of mortality. Same goes for a Mk 1 GT6, Healey 100/6 or late model 3000 for a narrow English road, a slick surface and a few unexpected surprises thrown in for good measure. Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 21:34:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1352584491 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32AF02584476 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 14501 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2014 03:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2014 03:34:52 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id VMam1o0091NzpT901Mapxt; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 03:34:50 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=8CZNm0iBSrwA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=-l753Kf57nkipiKv6WQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=53264 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X9Qql-0007Dg-KK for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:34:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:43 -0500 To: Triumph List From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I keep going through rears because I slide my sideways through every corner I can manage it, normally laughing out loud. Kind of like the way I drive my Tr-4 race car, come to think of it - they don't last long there either. You're right, though - the seats are not the most comfortable thing in the world. On the plus side it DOES leak a bit and the top doesn't seal very well in the rain. And if you don't run it to redline (or past) at every opportunity it feels kind of sedate. BTW the rev limiter kicks in 500 rpm past redline. :) I love my Triumph, but I love other cars too. Tony At 09:11 PM 7/21/2014, marty wrote: >We bought a Miater last spring. Ibll be honest, at first I was like >eh, this is not my favorite car. After driving it for a while, its >my DD in the summer, and getting a feel for what it actually had in >store for me I fell in love with it. It doesn't have the power of my >TR6 or TR8 but the darn thing handles like it on rails. Air is cold >and cruise works great. I can put the top up or down >manually while sitting in the drivers seat in about 30 seconds and >it does not leak. I have a 35 minute drive through the country each >way to work and I have a blast in the cures. I don't think tires are >going to last me long in this car. > > >Marty > > > > > > >Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > >From: John Macartney >Sent: bMondayb, bJulybb21b, b2014 b7b:b21bbPM >To: Triumph List > > > > > >Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a >Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to get >home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected >twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - and >those seats were h**l !!!!! >I've no wish to ever ride in an MX5 again and they're ten for a penny here - >as everywhere else for that matter. Most them seem to be driven by women "of >a certain age" who are in bottom lip biting mode at 60mph and terrified >their blonde highlights and false fingernails will vanish in the slipstream. >Gimme a sidescreen TR with the Michelin X tyre technology of fifty years >back and an overdrive and I'll be as close to heaven as one can get this >side of mortality. Same goes for a Mk 1 GT6, Healey 100/6 or late model 3000 >for a narrow English road, a slick surface and a few unexpected surprises >thrown in for good measure. > >Jonmac > > >--- >This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >protection is active. >http://www.avast.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trmarty@hotmail.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 21 22:10:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A145258449C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA09C258447B for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:57343] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 39/8C-07747-044EDC35; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 04:10:41 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 21:10:40 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+lVBerklEUa4UrTzuhbhkRaT89aQABCIwQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm sorry, I didn't mean to start an argument regarding what an owners thinks is better, original or modified. Rather, I got ticked off that some people only think that one way (truest) is the right way, and I spouted out. Let me explain. When I bought my '67 TR4A in 1970 my parents pleaded with me not to buy a British car. They were born and raised in Scotland (as was I) and it was common knowledge that anything BMC was built cheaply and needed a "lot of" attention. They were right. Triumph was a poor man's Jaguar, but I wanted one. First, the tranny broke. Syncho's failed and tore up 1st and 2nd. Then the door mirror fell off. Then the leather seats dried out and cracked leaving gaping holes The cardboard glove box fell apart. The windshield wipers were slow. Hood release broke. Electrics were intermittent or didn't work. Battery always ran dead. Starter was slooooow. Rear window in the top yellowed in less than a year. Rattles everywhere. Top leaked. Window regulator broke. The rear end got noisy then spewed all over the road. Some may think all of this is as "charm", I don't. I hear stories about having to carry all these spare parts when taking a trip. Are you kidding me? I carry a set of points/condensor in case the Pertronix fails, and that's it. With the upgrades, the car doesn't break any more and I have room for my golf clubs! Again, I'm sorry as all of the above is my opinion of owning a daily driver for the last 44 years. Johnnie --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 08:22:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1182584500 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B726F258449B for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 08:21:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.77]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 10D1770035489; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (158.sub-70-199-236.myvzw.com [70.199.236.158]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id B810F38000081; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> <003601cfa53a$73bb3a90$5b31afb0$@ukpips.org.uk> From: Jack Mc Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:22:05 -0400 To: John Macartney x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1406038931; bh=9Q182y+vI1zCylakR+1ZISWskFj9yNIGOnd08hWwGAg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=gqLPHgddIpXispSvMzeMA9gBERHxBSsZy3aMBtqMqSwDb4agQwRKi9raHowqD0YcP vEL7dvAIY4843K5McOTU1Rb3vpBk8vrY1gcLHsEUgwufqdV72Cw/ayfFo4Ygju/zts Y5v/HkUZb3wzL5JkeJeKYpX96mZVQ+A89k8pqgd8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4d53ce73924356 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:21 PM, "John Macartney" wrote: > > Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a > Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to get > home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected > twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - and > those seats were h**l !!!!! John, your comments strike a certain note for me: I can't help but take note of the fact that the only reason Miata seats are so easily obtained is that Miata owners can't stand them and can't wait to get rid of them. Cheers ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 10:13:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EA42584F68 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C772584ED1 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id v10so6837832qac.12 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=rE888cgwpnoO2VV8QTalmVtqScV/zKx0Dv7v7VxAFqk=; b=pILnDH6VGA3fu6Jjc6X1wEOPeaRz9kVMLXTyyhILGDppZGwei8QurAinS3wcXDVHMt GLh3zAvVQpOXeJS1173dfU/rAaOcLRXXY+S4JSwHI3hGhlCO4iQOo0vUK3nDZkRMhrh7 9922QvY8UQ5/HLV+efTMVFxTwwg3xDDEd//5EhzbCHXZ+gd5L2vJ4R5rqTP/cslvpBUt KVg1ZsvCX3MUe2zpURKqReU1UzT+3305zERzuMm8QEnkXxvofgdGJ7uV1dvG6DYTBHnk kumXJrYcB/bha6zzLBMCW7Wd6ln64xgOUm7T+f4E8LljTrlpg5PnhR+U9GEszNLy1F/Z uT7A== 4mr57185804qak.60.1406045598873; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.92.48 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> <003601cfa53a$73bb3a90$5b31afb0$@ukpips.org.uk> <8EBF640D-CA61-4B74-8F73-AF6873E34691@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:13:18 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Jack Mc , TRiumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jack Mc wrote: > John, your comments strike a certain note for me: I can't help but take > note > of the fact that the only reason Miata seats are so easily obtained is that > Miata owners can't stand them and can't wait to get rid of them. > Actually, as someone who has had them in my TR6 since 2005, I find them extremely comfortable. I have driven my TR6 over 700 miles in one day numerous times over the years and have felt great at the end of the drive. Some people acquire Miata seats for their cars as a matter of economics. A pair of Miata seats typically costs less than replacement foam kits alone for the stock seats. Why are so many Miata seats available? It's called Spec Miata. One of the most popular classes in SCCA history, Spec Miata is so popular that on any given weekend, there are probably more Miatas being raced than any other single model. Spec Miata prep rules allow for the removal of the stock seats, so that a racing seat may be installed. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U (original owner, no Miata, just the seats) Highland Park, Il ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 14:05:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC41258452B for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2674925806CB for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:04:27 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:17 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=zdA7Y7898kjeC78gf-UA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.170.195 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.170.195] ([64.121.170.195:49179] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id 50/95-26744-0E3CEC35; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:04:49 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:04:48 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Miata seats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ah Ha! Elementary my dear Watson. I saw a Spec Miata race at Watkins Glen a few years back. It was some of the best racing that I've seen. The field was as big as NASCAR and they didn't have "the big one" (wreck) or the little one. Great stuff. Allen Hess On Jul 22, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Actually, as someone who has had them in my TR6 since 2005, I find > them > extremely comfortable. I have driven my TR6 over 700 miles in one day > numerous times over the years and have felt great at the end of the > drive. > Some people acquire Miata seats for their cars as a matter of > economics. A > pair of Miata seats typically costs less than replacement foam kits > alone > for the stock seats. > > Why are so many Miata seats available? It's called Spec Miata. One > of the > most popular classes in SCCA history, Spec Miata is so popular that > on any > given weekend, there are probably more Miatas being raced than any > other > single model. Spec Miata prep rules allow for the removal of the stock > seats, so that a racing seat may be installed. > > Irv Korey > 74 TR6 CF22767U (original owner, no Miata, just the seats) > Highland Park, Il ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 14:41:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C81F2584512 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:41:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2B725806CB for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:41:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [81.136.238.82] (port=33797 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X9gsG-002DCm-CX; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:41:25 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'Jack Mc'" References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> <003601cfa53a$73bb3a90$5b31afb0$@ukpips.org.uk> <8EBF640D-CA61-4B74-8F73-AF6873E34691@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:41:29 +0100 Thread-Index: AQGD6RrnK0Ufti5paJH9jnfFyz2bKgJVGq/LAbpT8AACb9BUnQG7YFAmnAIyFdA= Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jack McGahey wrote John, your comments strike a certain note for me: I can't help but take note of the fact that the only reason Miata seats are so easily obtained is that Miata owners can't stand them and can't wait to get rid of them. Very possibly, Jack. IMHO, if I found an MX5/Miata in my unintended and accidental ownership, I wouldn't rid myself of just the seats. The car may suit millions of others but in my book it's just a 'Bimbo's Barge' and I hope I'm never found dead in one:) John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 16:16:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DCD2584516 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:16:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C9725802BC for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:16:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VZp51o0020Fqzac5FaHBFS; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:17:11 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VaHB1o00C2ymm843UaHBcY; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:17:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:17:11 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20140121; t=1406067431; bh=E/ARUcnG/N8fsQrn4TNH9sDU2MWDL34VCq3X47oYbBk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DsGEbpvu+h+Z/K91wDBnpWiXUh6+KfZK+NN5+HD6JXoE/4ntJNLExixtq79OJqja+ 6PG7tmiYD5AVbFbKqgbV9gowXVdMV4/sbdKZ2/9YtlsB6J/wya4aLg9HQSLRBQn8oL OfnXwQpg6FSOIuH58khZxcjBv9kwDUVWxnio02gxlrEkkE7Vp+NhFbUpqTm5ymEIXd XsfPO4aIYdPHtv6Ycb66+R3/259YeOvrRld5/Z5Kvb/q/wO08jESzQrhISes2vDKL5 6ZEbEp5hZrfQ4r/BFDK64a+P7FSWiIQUoX63hSaHRgvJi+S+OCUSX/QtY8U16xw6Qx rW8OBl5E39WHw== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This "modernization" debate has raged (not really literally I'm sure, because we all love why we're here) many times in the dozen or more years I've been on the List. The way I feel about it is, I refuse to belt my pants above my belly button. I refused once to tell a girlfriend to put her bra and blouse back on when we were driving back from a swimming hole with the top down. That was partly because she didn't wear a bra. I refused to get married (uhm...to someone else) in one of those pastel tuxedos with the ruffled shirts and plastic shoes. And I refused to be subdued when my daughter complained about the unsightliness when I trailered home a '59 TR3A with rusted out floors and 3 inches of racoon dung in the engine bay because it had been sitting in a shed behind someone's house for 27 years. It cost me $500 to buy it and endless patience and love since. Trust me. It was not a steal. Today at the hardware store, I returned to my car (a daily driver now) where a man parked next to me gave me a broad smile and a thumbs up. I grinned back, stuck in the key, and punched the start button. The little beast banged to life and roared on the first cough. The man above me in the SUV stared and yelled, "Wow!" I didn't tell him that it was because I'd installed an electric fuel pump and a Pertronix electronic ignition. But like all of us, I'm conflicted. Most of these cars have outlived their first owners. That's how I got mine. So I guess the answer for me is this: If I want it bad enough, I'll buy the heavily modified car and spend time to replace the mods if that's my choice. After all, it took three years groveling in the dirt in my garageless driveway outside to completely strip my antique "find" down to the frame and replace and restore everything from the ground up. A modded-out car has been shown more love than I started with...so could only be easier. It's all good, Mates. And Miatas? They're the next generations MGB's. The BMW Z series is their Jaguar. I'm not sure what the next Triumph is. Comfort is for pussy cats anyway. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 17:25:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A8225844E2 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:25:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B3C258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B6/DF-07747-5C2FEC35; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:24:53 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:24:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+l+rCViNJBmlXgRCqTWbmt2OKdegACDDeg Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I grinned back, stuck in the key, and > punched the start button. The little beast banged to life > and roared on the first cough. The man above me in the SUV > stared and yelled, "Wow!" > > I didn't tell him that it was because I'd installed an > electric fuel pump and a Pertronix electronic ignition. Oddly enough, my 56 TR3 starts first turn every morning, with points and original fuel pump. If it doesn't fire right off, I know there is something wrong. > But like all of us, I'm conflicted. Me too. But the original question was about value. For a "driver", the mods don't make all that much difference IMO. But a car that has been correctly restored to original is always going to be worth more than a mongrel, no matter how nice the mongrel is. Geo posted a link the other day to Hagerty's valuation tool; and it showed roughly a 4:1 difference in value between a "driver", which "may have some modifications", and a 98 point concours winner. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 17:29:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3692580811 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19207258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:29:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VbKq1o0061vXlb859bVs5B; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:29:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([71.192.208.10]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VbVr1o00L0E03aX3dbVs9x; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:29:52 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:29:53 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1406071792; bh=GEEHRvVHW3zXpLNIfcwya/MsaMLHL20PTqN6FSYXLe4=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=EzaShjMkIhWz5ZeQCmVEFCTOMnoRXh0K5QcZCAgLD5cYqqVFbTmIeZjFpDrxlL2FG iScLy3IERi8GR75fjbFuyEowYC9HWUnMpNwsLtjsrTT4CZ+13uZx57xQGP5c+EyPYl f7gcuazXDeN9nP36C2B1l5J9PVblbUN77U8jbe5n5OUxya+kR0qcv7/PD/5XDv3HWV mhtRFnLmu1d7qXb7/lNpRErnVif/FruCC0cnJqzJXDNwn8Fb/2QcKzHAwc6N9P0BUq 3gMUMLiEJEzCataVqjN4hinrxOGgEkZ1guYFK4ikWeoIhwzT5rtR9s75+64ugOoPAS WBnLweKIKs+BQ== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I installed 1997 miata seats last year. Up to then I had my original leather 1966 TR4A seats. The drivers side developed a tiny full thickness tear and was going to get worse fast. Also those seats gave me no upper back support. The top of the seat ends below my shoulder blades. Not at all comfortable for more than 45 minutes The miata seats are quite firm, but fit me well. I really appreciate the upper back support! The modification is easily reversed on about 1 hr or less. I will be installing the Goodparts CV axles, also totally reversible, but a nice functional upgrade -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:21 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:22:05 -0400 > From: Jack Mc > To: John Macartney > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 > Message-ID: <8EBF640D-CA61-4B74-8F73-AF6873E34691@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:21 PM, "John Macartney" > wrote: >> >> Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a >> Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to > get >> home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected >> twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - and >> those seats were h**l !!!!! > > > > John, your comments strike a certain note for me: I can't help but take note > of the fact that the only reason Miata seats are so easily obtained is that > Miata owners can't stand them and can't wait to get rid of them. > > Cheers > > > ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 17:45:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255252584506 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30174258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:45:10 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=MJZZcY24V8uEjoFp9dm9SCe4Auf1OUlXKHFHgaLMqMZauAFwqlDhOmOaakOJjp2k; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1X9jkR-0000CX-4B for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:45:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:45:37 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <53CB0DB8.2000707@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is it just me? When I do a search for Facet, I get 274 hits, but when I click on a link that says "*Re: [TR] *Facet* Electric Fuel Pump * (score: 39)" the page that it takes me to is an email with the subject "Re: [TR] Bleeding Problems" Roger > Well, sort of. The archives ( link below for the real time folks ) > are there and working. > The current problem is that the data has not been updated for many > months. I'm working on > it at the moment, hope to make some good progress this evening. > > A lot of folks rely on the archives, I feel badly about them not > working properly. > > mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 17:57:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1001258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D898B258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:57:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.156.253]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MMm4X-1XAXgi1QBL-008XaE; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:57:26 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "Anthony Rhodes" , References: <483D8865-3C5E-4CB9-8A2C-852A8EFF44A7@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:57:26 -0400 dsZUYl87jLoBfuhE/ZHRhJMQaji79SKPAUKBPDLqp3lMNE3cSE IVbl/umXX6SeHJFWup85bX1DIwu6siRqMuQXOlHW/BYp2RqFa8 zhLyEgcSwsMpSmZ5yKiohVLtAS0CuS4aD5M7A80Dfi+7WhiY/F kaEa+LQ49X0omxxot+WlD7lo6wF8WrZaFkulpZYjPTpC5nAHnV H2iagkp0jfJ4FORt5cDKGgqRnpIQTQyxr/VCfhkKKLxmgPHNO7 bh18Z9nDlH48xIY/cllz86JcDFBaLR3Fq1ENnEon1slSILNaXj 84nMP5XefczqhV1P1AMQLg+qKVsfxY0eaglzHibZu Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point Tony........ the majority of mods/upgrades are totally reversible. Everything I've done to my car could be reversed in a few days as I've saved the tranny, diff, axles, seats etc. All the old stock parts are stored in the basement and/or shed. ....... but spend a week driving my car and you wouldn't reverse anything. Pop the hood and it looks like a TR6, rides like a TR6, sounds like a TR6 and handles like one too... Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Rhodes Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:29 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 I installed 1997 miata seats last year. Up to then I had my original leather 1966 TR4A seats. The drivers side developed a tiny full thickness tear and was going to get worse fast. Also those seats gave me no upper back support. The top of the seat ends below my shoulder blades. Not at all comfortable for more than 45 minutes The miata seats are quite firm, but fit me well. I really appreciate the upper back support! The modification is easily reversed on about 1 hr or less. I will be installing the Goodparts CV axles, also totally reversible, but a nice functional upgrade -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2014, at 10:21 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:22:05 -0400 > From: Jack Mc > To: John Macartney > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 > Message-ID: <8EBF640D-CA61-4B74-8F73-AF6873E34691@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:21 PM, "John Macartney" > wrote: >> >> Are Miata seats supposed to be comfortable? I spent last Saturday as a >> Navigator on a club run for MX5's (the Miata for Europe) and was glad to > get >> home. What an utterly boring car. No rattles, no clunks, no unexpected >> twitches from the back end and all too quiet for me in every respect - >> and >> those seats were h**l !!!!! > > > > John, your comments strike a certain note for me: I can't help but take note > of the fact that the only reason Miata seats are so easily obtained is > that > Miata owners can't stand them and can't wait to get rid of them. > > Cheers > > > ------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:00:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF29258456D for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:00:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595CE258076C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:00:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 00:00:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.234] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 00:00:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1034.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 00:00:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 74241 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2014 00:00:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406073646; bh=NldiO8XE1uPaNbLmPWJ4z98gmr1XWfnyGDKOAXSJz48=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jComiIrjxSWqy8b31PLpuGqjvYy7wDKDhA5ljVzo4pQEZoUt2tyoFBtvM5Ybpk/J1GuUMuImI4QB2N9QuvEa7ZcWkeZB748Ce3zf6tI5zZWPvbCB7nga8wKD+DcqHyI7NKcW/57GXtPsCqx59oFSuOKjmV2qqWKi7PeFUaU0xsQ= LRwZGGjNTEXSTR6St_Q3O0WQybVhKWxNOvWPBWq2Ma8nB4iQlzvkpPn7t5Fb 7qmplFxFwRexz00eSY_kwVKkSgdhapGilCTfrkXwZTnBuP7HQbMZf0Qh5l.A vENN9eohQ7GDlhFBbN1r7EUMKZuv.7hK9VxM6VcDx9x3dbphqWBO57k.2jR5 B00YCqKoDGwceOnNldQF4wj7RKbsG6JFSAPuP_7rWnPDrgt7nR35xmotkRhe hgB0evGD_DZYzH4FgtHacdNaSWVSqhIBkqwi9SjTR3bqkZOfp6WjTIEoz0E8 HLK.Up23Gq6dXCqDnDKZh6rKoriNGYk.WE1BaH3Dakhw7lkjOb2KHERzUxUC ualJpIv8adWpZ_EFBeVBfWE2.K65hXD9Bn0mS03f3rAV26Iym8m3KZbUWKNB kbGzHgnDST9N.0AenLjNWrnJVIHCItOQPsPw4vF2OvK.X._SsdWIusk7MGAu NqjbqeNFLD.ZW.L8udWOHtYZYF6rogl79mhp3y0wp3oFJH2FTiD8MIdD1vWL BpJyj3uF18EzK1RkNxpHkKD05SdxvVLA9hNH3srut5tXbMjxq3EXti259H1r hyu8uE3XcM0T.dHBdTU2ezYJJGm8KpuaF5dAQUf_Kunxer16iaqNhdzIvuwe .VvJvOLVBG4UE299EYW_9ieE79kKjj3_Xnq4gXIaxr7Lpq8M8geGyfT77U2U gNzSc2KxH4MyqEgMXMLlXgPZJgA-- Received: from [12.172.88.242] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:00:46 PDT b3IgYSBtciBnYXNrZXQgbWljcm8gZWxlY3RyaWMgZnVlbCBwdW1wICM0MlMKQXV0b2Jlc3QgNDJTIFVuaXZlcnNhbCBFbGVjdHJvbmljIEZ1ZWwgUHVtcAoKwqAgCsKgICDCoCDCoCDCoCDCoCDCoCAKQXV0b2Jlc3QgNDJTIFVuaXZlcnNhbCBFbGVjdHJvbmljIEZ1ZWwgUHVtcApBbWF6b24uY29tOiBBdXRvYmVzdCA0MlMgVW5pdmVyc2FsIEVsZWN0cm9uaWMgRnVlbCBQdW1wOiBBdXRvbW90aXZlICAKVmlldyBvbiB3d3cuYW1hem9uLmNvbSBQcmV2aWV3IGJ5IFlhaG9vICAKwqAgCgpGcmFuawoKCgpPbiBUdWUBMAEBAQE- References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <53CB0DB8.2000707@bradakis.com> <53CEF7A1.5000200@rmi.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:00:46 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: Roger Elliott , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net or a mr gasket micro electric fuel pump #42S Autobest 42S Universal Electronic Fuel Pump Autobest 42S Universal Electronic Fuel Pump Amazon.com: Autobest 42S Universal Electronic Fuel Pump: Automotive View on www.amazon.com Preview by Yahoo Frank On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 4:45 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: Is it just me? When I do a search for Facet, I get 274 hits, but when I click on a link that says "*Re: [TR] *Facet* Electric Fuel Pump * (score: 39)" the page that it takes me to is an email with the subject "Re: [TR] Bleeding Problems" Roger > Well, sort of. The archives ( link below for the real time folks ) > are there and working. > The current problem is that the data has not been updated for many > months. I'm working on > it at the moment, hope to make some good progress this evening. > > A lot of folks rely on the archives, I feel badly about them not > working properly. > > mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:06:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2242B2584FE8 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:06:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC992580BB6 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:06:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C0/38-07747-A8CFEC35; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 00:06:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:06:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+mBwg5x/wHwVaTTDGhTRE+xrFf8AAAq1fA Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > When I do a search for Facet, I get 274 hits, but when I > click on a link > that says "*Re: [TR] *Facet* Electric Fuel Pump > * > (score: 39)" > the page that it takes me to is an email with the subject "Re: [TR] > Bleeding Problems" Does seem to be a problem there, I get the same thing. This looks like the correct link: http://www.team.net/html/triumphs/2009-05/msg00569.html Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:11:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F612584557 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629BA2584511 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [98.117.90.163]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N95002ST1VLZ240@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:11:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:11:44 -0400 References: To: TRiumphs List Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > From: Dean Tetterton > Date: July 22, 2014 1:03:31 PM EDT > To: Irv Korey > Cc: Jack Mc , TRiumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 > > It goes without saying, I love my Triumph. That being said, I am > the first one that will change something to make it better. I have had my > 69 TR6 since the early 80's and it still idles at 800 RPM smooth as silk > with "SU carbs". The engine has not been apart since I have owned it. > The clutch shifts great with it's CoAxil clutch release and takes 2 inches > of movement. No slamming it to the floor and hope it disengages. The > stock tranny with OD works great. I have replaced the synchro rings > twice. Next time it is getting a Toyota 5 speed. The Nisson diff does > not whine, clunk or leak. No twich when shifting in a turn with the > 240Z half shafts. The tube shocks work smooth with extra bracing. > This car doesn't leak with the hard top that never comes off. Gets hot > I turn on the AC i put in with a fan that moves some air. Also heats > from the same unit. The stock 69 seats made my back hurt in 30 minutes. > I ride all day in the Miata seats with the tunes playing thru the headrest. > Relaxe on the Interstate and use the cruize control so your right foot > doesn't get a cramp. The tinted windows also gives the old eyes a > rest. Lots of insulation in the floor and roof makes it quiet also. > > Yes I love my Triumph. Still looks like one, sounds like one, and smells > like one. A real pleasure to drive. > > Dean T. > VTR Member #599 > > > > On Jul 22, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Irv Korey wrote: > >>> >>> >> >> Actually, as someone who has had them in my TR6 since 2005, I find them >> extremely comfortable. I have driven my TR6 over 700 miles in one day >> numerous times over the years and have felt great at the end of the drive. >> Some people acquire Miata seats for their cars as a matter of economics. A >> pair of Miata seats typically costs less than replacement foam kits alone >> for the stock seats. >> >> >> >> Irv Korey >> 74 TR6 CF22767U (original owner, no Miata, just the seats) >> Highland Park, Il >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 18:25:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9F9258502D for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E9E2584515 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:25:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FC22C0147 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:25:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 18:25:29 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] The Debate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yep, ever since these lists started out back in 198? the topic of what to do with the car has come up. The same discussion occurs regardless of the marque. Keep it stock or do as I wish? The discussion won't end, because there is no one correct answer. We are people, not robots. Our vehicles are going to show our personality one way or another. It has always been this way, and will most likely continue for the foreseeable future. And the Team.Net lists will continue on, giving folks a chance to speak their piece about how they feel about it. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 19:11:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7202585068 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80552584498 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 19:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.80]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5AB8D70000095 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mea07b.mail.aol.com (core-mea07.mail.aol.com [172.27.62.7]) by mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2E4CA38000082 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) References: <88689A2E-8DA1-44BB-936C-6CCFE58E1668@mac.com> <20140721204551.7B7XI.83685.root@cdptpa-web04> <003601cfa53a$73bb3a90$5b31afb0$@ukpips.org.uk> <8EBF640D-CA61-4B74-8F73-AF6873E34691@aol.com> <002e01cfa5ed$550fe150$ff2fa3f0$@ukpips.org.uk> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: loumetelko@aol.com Received: from 162.234.100.47 by webmail-vm006.sysops.aol.com (64.12.178.69) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:11:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1406077872; bh=YGNeeKhcmo0CyrRgCSO3DuDGNpCfeDZUfeinzNdfGYg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xxvwZyfve3v+D342jiu/ylfTU4CI4byukVCGcnoX6nQdorKROdtQB1NCjKG/CIiaD up2F2ly14Q2vhEJe+UmT1r1drm9ZhCTlWoo5qMAEpkRqUg/t6pQmmNPPQn70YHUUjR Oyo3IHZxI3uUtZpFMjnkHgp50yb/zbIIxf+n02VU= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add5053cf0bb01472 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 198 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Very possibly, Jack. IMHO, if I found an MX5/Miata in my unintended and accidental ownership, I wouldn't rid myself of just the seats. The car may suit millions of others but in my book it's just a 'Bimbo's Barge' and I hope I'm never found dead in one:) Don't beat around the bush, John, just tell us how you really feel about the MX5/Miata! Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 22 21:49:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11620258504A for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFA22580750 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id n16so867504oag.1 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:49:40 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/kJtl7LVw3qXNwKKI/N/MpMP0Nr0Wg38PqjQywdE8tA=; b=GXrw3NqYRE44XzAU/znOHsidyOKi8gh4ODuyYQAg3TXGHf+tYzNAV86R0KnLnOrm2T hZPpUIlYtBg8/mqRoZI9Zt+peKEB/ugK+XiJedm0mUhtSutu/PdUi+DT6tutj4YwPkZn 3nBXllCx6rmsAVkpnGEldXG8wxPS7XTcCZJEb66FLkAB7cRHq88i7d7mqtX1Xo6x12ra /lwAnR9ROksvFH0BH8OgqED47K6CwLz2Esy8ORIlEAUecxREN9YGNRSnjeBrXiYrOf9S cwTVao8zLwG0Db0z+gxj0JHmOWvZ8Zvn+vnthC4PUkID3L5IUus8wmXyi1WmRxZZ2k0C 2ctw== h4mr55752659obe.20.1406087379935; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm4594677oek.15.2014.07.22.20.49.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:49:37 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53CF00F9.3040009@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] The Debate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 7/22/14, 5:25 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Yep, ever since these lists started out back in 198? 1987. I got my TR3 in '86 and was asking questions on rec.auto when I got an email (From Dale at Apollo Computer if I recall) saying he was starting a british car email list and ask if I wanted to join. Dale lived in the North East and had an MGB that lived in a narrow dirt floor garage. If memory serves he gave up in the MG when he & his wife got round enough that they could no longer easily get into or out of the MG. I guess that may be when you got the list. In very early 1990 the list was split into the british car list and the Land Rover list. After that all the other marque lists were created. I still miss the old british car list. > The discussion won't end, because there is no one correct answer. My answer was to try and make my TR3 into a period correct weekday commute car & weekend air port runway racer. There is nothing on the car that you could not buy in the early 1960's. Well one thing. Super bright LED cluster tail and brake lights. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 01:52:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FB6258453B for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:52:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1425844E2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CD42C00F4 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:52:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 01:52:03 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53CF00F9.3040009@bradakis.com> <53CF30D1.4050805@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] The Debate Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 7/22/14, 5:25 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Yep, ever since these lists started out back in 198? > > 1987. I got my TR3 in '86 and was asking questions on rec.auto when I got an email (From Dale at Apollo Computer if I recall) saying he was starting a british car email list and ask if I wanted to join. Dale lived in the North East and had an MGB that lived in a narrow dirt floor garage. If memory serves he gave up in the MG when he & his wife got round enough that they could no longer easily get into or out of the MG. I guess that may be when you got the list. In very early 1990 the list was split into the british car list and the Land Rover list. After that all the other marque lists were created. > > I still miss the old british car list. Had I known what would blossom from those early days I would have kept better records to document the history. Yes, Dale Cook, then Jim the bluegrass guy [Southern Rail] and on though the years. What a long, strange trip it has been. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 12:18:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D6A25846AA for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:18:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.92]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6009825845D5 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:16:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.100.118] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 18:16:29 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.163] by tm109.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 18:16:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1064.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2014 18:16:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 62526 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2014 18:16:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406139389; bh=DP3nz42HC8StGoPot3MJ05VMza4RXM3qM3lLYnjUx0c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vr9TqujtZO3TXF+hFWPBIHnC5SfVxGC3YLSkfE8yseFKmJSw7JbkB/E5xdBqQtkB6wICZToX5E7NAUxxlR+V4fbFTJKTcY7ZKyVKc62q4WKu07tcjz7CZoKTsUuzFaeJy06wZlMyvAdd2SIwaG3m/GdW3GlmnJbbAAFXS3ziKB8= 6YraeV_BrBZ.kwzF2r8xWDTso705xIgrBAfX0WoPt5zd6RV0EmBTkQYuswLS qmvJJTTa7rzI1g4DL2NoFfYWdG5fG4GMZM3ZV64ycfDF0x11x..7VqWUF5Rs gBiC70bKBdevxpBKufKcmEpt_hLt83cNF.K5kqZmCkDuZPulDolEXASZR9fp JgonY4XSDmpM.AL4PC.Wpcj_rcz2Sb89qsljfWcc0ph65mnISmElEWHiEpgn aNbXovs6KBMRsiykepuzObw0cGeE5tpQYx_Ubmx3M8qst2.2vX9lG7sqFNJZ Uih_u4IJhuL6mBJKKSQs4IvZye9lMVJi0XWh3dCdo9wjdHrRwIjTgqb1SmVp X_JXk.RJf4LXB1klMcYKRL0VlUG.MkmlpkWqf1QLWKrJe9mxvPbp8T.0PSmR .NKNSPmGbvdJT7cLVf3RrDbz7jyjhFh449e8m62qq_CJk6o3jF0MeReuslsg ZdjQoHz3eKQHspPa.F7kGseozS85SzyCa1omK3xflMuLoCC0P Received: from [96.243.34.43] by web120402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:16:29 PDT R29vZCBwb2ludCBUb255Li4uLi4uLi4gdGhlIG1ham9yaXR5IG9mIG1vZHMvdXBncmFkZXMgYXJlIHRvdGFsbHnCoApyZXZlcnNpYmxlLiBFdmVyeXRoaW5nIEkndmUgZG9uZSB0byBteSBjYXIgY291bGQgYmUgcmV2ZXJzZWQgaW4gYSBmZXcgZGF5c8KgCmFzIEkndmUgc2F2ZWQgdGhlIHRyYW5ueSwgZGlmZiwgYXhsZXMsIHNlYXRzIGV0Yy4gQWxsIHRoZSBvbGQgc3RvY2sgcGFydHPCoAphcmUgc3RvcmVkIGluIHRoZSBiYXNlbWVudCBhbmQvb3Igc2hlZC4gLi4uLi4uLiBidXQgc3BlbmQgYSB3ZWVrIGRyaXYBMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:16:29 -0700 From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point Tony........ the majority of mods/upgrades are totally reversible. Everything I've done to my car could be reversed in a few days as I've saved the tranny, diff, axles, seats etc. All the old stock parts are stored in the basement and/or shed. ....... but spend a week driving my car and you wouldn't reverse anything. Pop the hood and it looks like a TR6, rides like a TR6, sounds like a TR6 and handles like one too... Bob ---- Which I found The TRIUMPH the perfect mod car without lowering the value.Just for that reason! Never throw out a GOOD used part, because it may be worth $1.000 in selling the car for what you wanted than the highest price being offered. So now you can use the 5 spd & save the OD (It'll only increase in value to the org. wanting person). I played with the breathing system, fuel system, tanny & rear susoention, but was still able to sell it as stock to another country. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 13:29:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DDC2585081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D30258451C for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aae02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aae02.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.100]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C01F8700000AA for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dla002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dla002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.133]) by mtaomg-aae02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9C7B338000081 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:29:34 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m214.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.240) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:29:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:29:34 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1406143774; bh=a9qemboJ6FJ6u8jrrVlEamkABH0bA36MW83lqo3EHz4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BcpkKNKCew5/HimV6S+Peim2PxYoSn+NqucN1gxEvdfiOnyZXFNPeiDBo0mCHLayH ycGLFZrM95v3SE9GoHaqPsU+yx6n7YY8NIr7pNtRb4hnOL2m/Uy0vErbY/+nvxfemb 70dKHdq4hiIncq34vKsOhwtvmb7FpUwbX33jgph0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b016453d00d1e6cdf Subject: [TR] The List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I still miss Scott Fisher and Ray Gibbons. May he rest in peace. Thanks, Mark! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 13:42:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1799C2585079 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C385258463E for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95072C00F4 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:42:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:42:43 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <8D174C391744514-1AC0-1846D@webmail-m214.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] The List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net George Haynes wrote: > I still miss Scott Fisher and Ray Gibbons. May he rest in peace. Thanks, > Mark! You are welcome. Scott Fisher is one of my Facebook friends, so I hear from him on a regular basis. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 23 20:01:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B0C2584740 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFC12584706 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 20:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hr17so1391571lab.16 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NkzvzYJjOCgfOiKro2unGW93sqiRUzCiKKNZ+EqWziA=; b=eKOca3Pj/pqK+leJcM626OPX16mjtM1g5wlOOwAyXC64XL7cdQKXfJRHmY6xRkD3AD 1l3UQ8hK12EjvTRz8Phyb6l/5jcRXVPClkeq29rHDdZskPRU92ays6JZgEWBo5S6WwIP IThzvkTol7jUvdC3cgJe1amMLK6bAnZJYgswCRbiXX3+dYNitKigAlHLudPuFLH7fheW cT4R1SVKPJrSZlba02oZYhKqetNCdnx2yNjXlbkpQhSoXCD+BssvkcP8d3xwKH6z83Tu +DSR4E/DVwZzShDYO5w55E4cjITO8eOjUZIf3lO/quy9g3fxrIz74uqlZH+gej/SkClW uDuA== bd7mr5427404lab.89.1406167283968; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.181.3 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:01:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D174C391744514-1AC0-1846D@webmail-m214.sysops.aol.com> <53D01033.3070603@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 21:01:23 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] The List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I see Scott on Flickr.com now and again. Met him in person in 2009 in Oregon. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > George Haynes wrote: > >> I still miss Scott Fisher and Ray Gibbons. May he rest in peace. Thanks, >> Mark! >> > > You are welcome. Scott Fisher is one of my Facebook friends, so I hear > from him on a regular basis. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 16:40:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F30258068D for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:40:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEC6258068A for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id u20so2638120oif.36 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=9Ym8n0JxMSjIGQtdcqY1xsotYI+Raj3DuGGqFpqQta8=; b=vE/RwKJbRwXlXJYUhA0UgVKQum8mxsrbpKtMXggd6OnlHWyL3u7E2lOD3pesUkClik uKJTcbK+pWkQbth99dlmtRXJt5yaGJjaCPKj5tJ2n3QI1FOoOwFJERV3I7bpPGdTCdMo A7c8bw5CT49vg4wpwgUGsNPtku9oGvNDmGT3ckmQ6Kr+rWJj20+X0nG/AxGc5hyCE4oY DB8Tt2VcMV4vDNofmjNLUVVWJRBdq96sm+lhlHXeS34k+oh4NfjvcSC5e5GkU4wQdb3B MX4NthzEEya73r9iXWq9s0oT2udLWlFeszf73tzk0fGEgd4OTTqX8hm2zjJVU67fgQRx BsxQ== dz1mr17826989obb.13.1406241612899; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r16sm27825613oeo.7.2014.07.24.15.40.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:40:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+nkDsqCx185R28QXa14SkQTUksdg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the pan and prime this thing?? Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 69 Land Rover Series IIa ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 16:58:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7A92580701 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7E258068D for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 22:59:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.170] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 22:59:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2014 22:59:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 91375 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2014 22:59:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406242745; bh=bJ39tVJo9jD0IoSo55GPbekGHz9sZ0vhsWb+4/W4yhg=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WWdgwJ092QAgizA19H3zAmUHkjbYv4pTH7Cw/Ek44prUfrFm4bxw8EdvdI55G2mE0N2aQB6K1w/rTLHTF/STdw5oRY0+Wi2aHjuTTs7f6MLF6O0V4vU3IVs6o0MSuIxqZ2GT/t73IElPO8LE9VW3+V6HXN2f7wyuf/DAdlkzlws= FCcrjuNRL_c8fSKLUNjvz2je5fkOU3LMlhr0RoVpGx9zGS6OTo2j2X0iuf6x uSpwqMOpdtrHJ1yagu82FuOBU87M6n5JqDn1aeI73_GXRsT5PBzn.bt6MQoC 1oKB9VKbe0Ww58b3OU4QBR2DW80kqe30IAcRrkz5ZvNF.Cw_dpykjDslDmjQ PTEKU3myA1d26YcPhzTBYeoCuZBNcSEdM9VhnTJ7ywXdGMDdG3QFrkhNtCDw dJ2ycuKSV1arvzUoSwBulO6CXbKZsTNonwu9bUtI93.j.b3A7btiHNJ.adqb 5CiQwdZkOpps_8_5.XGyjH5ezZSsWNbwhHPMk49TIUg1EDkz.NW5N9L3vBvK ossq4WN8isMC4am5_1thEAbdYvhs_Nlz9fYUqLLbHworpqG25CX_sKmptsqs iRsRsdIL6dzb7tVS1Zpxxc4D58fpzMONRwJ6u1QPz_3Ix7OMdoCGLknhhGf_ 2uNqOOpTVIZN4mtJPShgzQIqLJQwFljeBvNUqHU3nyhVjmSCJhL7Z7xBgALe p4L2CxN5Y0cskmk0ix3UGACc3FLcskeE7khRue5gywpvEXxNJzkSiqJdyghU - Received: from [12.172.88.242] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:59:04 PDT dGFrZSB0aGUgc3BhcmsgcGx1Z3Mgb3V0IGFuZCBjcmFuayB0aGUgbW90b3IgdGlsbCB5b3Ugc2VlIHByZXNzdXJlIHJlZ2lzdGVyIG9uIHlvdXIgb2lsIHByZXNzdXJlIGdhZ2UuCgpGcmFuawoKCgpPbiBUaHVyc2RheSwgSnVseSAyNCwgMjAxNCAzOjQwIFBNLCBKYW1lcyBIZW5uaW5nc2VuIDx0cmd1eTc1QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6CiAKCgpJIHJlYWQgdGhhdCB5b3UgYXJlIHN1cHBvc2VkIHRvIHByaW1lIGEgbmV3IG9pbCBwdW1wIHdpdGggVmFzZWxpbmUgb3Igb3RoZXIKc3Vic3RhbmNlLsKgIEkgZGkBMAEBAQE- References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 15:59:04 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net take the spark plugs out and crank the motor till you see pressure register on your oil pressure gage. Frank On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the pan and prime this thing?? Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 69 Land Rover Series IIa ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 17:07:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703E7258488C for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDB02584766 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ij19so6088928vcb.39 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8PUXduOgLmHBFY/kjJ1AXXJ5u8FQDLp32RtXGRMWW8U=; b=RCaS1rG5BIHxaFVWCGRCHMSBBKpPL2RlVnVoM/wbdLgC7js/BCAMN2ZrFcqCmSJxa6 yE6OpRrjaluSeJGtejyiYmhpR4EVazZl+MRTEG05utzBPFUAcSb7Jm8BXJPbSMLkbPeM KX8xQjH++InZEgxzmW9t/MuUse6Cfo3fMnTOKpjEvWFrr7L8qOg4LKCYjN2/7Sn4a2TA etBTeyaifgJJvK3zNSXbKuwvmVkGrIRMoQxMM27fyyJ+WZQmOzzzKwU4KRj9WkXean5C vn+GUPhRq27Wzkvty+WmX9r2C+Vs5ULV718MVzQ1oQBCKEOVOOv/gGDbHZshsFyUDAS6 on1g== f9mr14102099vdk.17.1406243254187; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:07:34 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: James Henningsen Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hopefully not. I've never resorted to packing the pump -- though I do spin the engine with the plugs out and watch for oil pressure to build up. Geo On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > 69 Land Rover Series IIa > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 17:17:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECBF258487D for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:17:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f52.google.com (mail-qg0-f52.google.com [209.85.192.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28072584766 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:14:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id f51so4118072qge.39 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:14:45 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=wOJPQqzwMsMlYurBN9LBcuEb0t0Aw693g/q9UqoqrXM=; b=AiMOOUtD0eyibgFy1f0HF6hPMYsa6c7CxcJ/6UB3Ul1gTtShIfbBE4cqSHH5fxNoiS laR0/kTZOLx+uPmQ+gvQt8XJ8fC6AS/jrpOjzz0S20OuYfWogZZeLD0Rt8lB63ufqx8p V6iOq2rcWLfhXd6nGHK74TD+4jSijpBhgHi6YmsvW5QpygpUyzjpY1AYf/JRp9UGeFaE jI5vR//oQVCpTqqHmU1/J++o934VIbx4xzEYxFT9fVOUwlSVhbRzT2g6LsynSfKWIiPh TTCA1jecEsOcXZLpz9f1fk+ST6NmF728vjfdprmXv6LawKpyBfG3yqJAZ11ljidQCdnv bliQ== w105mr11690718qgd.52.1406243685359; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.174.106.252] (108.sub-70-208-140.myvzw.com. [70.208.140.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r91sm8848848qgd.12.2014.07.24.16.14.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:14:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:14:43 -0400 References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, you can spin the pump Fat-thumbed from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:40 PM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > 69 Land Rover Series IIa > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jhassall@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 17:20:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D612584892 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919FA258068C for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:20:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f12so3748649qad.17 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=kbZc12lsbXWm1C07rhUjM3u3ClGlAJFfpdii9mk6CLk=; b=huIVkzVBmnBzTSgO+Od9NIOJPfLig7p3ZUasPRDAakiEc8CQCNE0mUKqaAid9+6ePT xFB5Xe17R4EGnt+wmzqJX+Jqtbopu+3CdGk2RY+Iy+VEOeBJRQFmIxBjogaHa0Ct5RY9 Rkro8pbxMS2r3xo/0pwSdYkKDKSEgRDDIXsBtqkc6acPSOt4pE2V8xNxU3ITzEwp2fek UTU09lrYZt5DKQAgTczDYw8cM/FWBd4w8/8+Mj9CbtBGOXqKojeKT/swTSix6V5mhvYj YLJcOSgSvLHS+Lc1n5YSylGNQ1xZ89DsJ14rK/j074M3956eN+m6NXsiyXskZhvxhjEn 5vww== l74mr20342910qga.24.1406244051424; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.174.106.252] (108.sub-70-208-140.myvzw.com. [70.208.140.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x1sm11029388qaj.19.2014.07.24.16.20.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:20:48 -0400 References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, you can spin the pump CCW using a distributor gear drive shaft with the key removed. Kinda diddly process, since aligning the diet gear afterwards can be fiddly. I did a YouTube video years ago, which is out there somewhere. Spinning the engine without the plugs works too, but it'll take a while to see pressure. Contact me offline if you want more info. Jim Fat-thumbed from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:40 PM, "James Henningsen" wrote: > > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > 69 Land Rover Series IIa > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jhassall@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 17:35:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B062580697 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8248D2580697 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 17:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AA/17-18478-95891D35; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 23:35:54 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'James Henningsen'" , Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:35:52 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+nkDsqCx185R28QXa14SkQTUksdgAB0zgg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with > Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed > with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need > to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? Unlike most other engines, the TR2-4 motor actually submerges the pump in the oil. Gravity will prime the pump. It wouldn't hurt to spin the engine a few revolutions with the spark plugs out, to fill the oil galleries & filter as well; but I certainly would not take it apart to pack the pump. Besides, having all that Vaseline get pushed into the filter may not be the best thing anyway. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 19:07:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540E025848AF for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAA625806A5 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:06:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WQvL1o0030cQ2SLA4R6m0G; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 01:06:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WR6k1o00B3eKESF8WR6lAG; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 01:06:45 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:06:43 -0600 References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> To: James Henningsen s=q20140121; t=1406250406; bh=lp5TXAcqQTJj2PviEYfVp9T3PdUVU+jlOUoR87ZqnD8=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=TljEbdcJj08doPXJWksTO8Zn6d6K39BrswrvNQvqFs3wHUOdRa/Ds38mDrYGuxiVV 3xW0xQd2b2BD7m0ztqOGNKT9F38VmbLD4TEfYiVEugK5HwjLeQb1mHOVdxOktIxgY/ dow8Fs1H3bccSOZWlZBiook5hT5R5ADgdbPPQrVD6gO368vU1lWORammGuQajio8jK jE82gGpPd19FnMxJ6VjPIef+skCKAYJcnBZD5/seO4VFDGu7ZZTIDQxJH4yEAdcn0x z3k4cyMlaWA97sY2rqbrpl0yR+F9YUWUI2WJEHd+0sZoqkyMqBa+s25f7yOjJMzAJI d/YJhOkBi462Q== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, Take one of those big (usually yellow of some wort) cheap screw drivers that you won at a club raffle and bust the plastic off the shank. Use a big one that matches the gear drive. Spin it upyou might feel the pull once it primes. And get the distributor back on ASAP. It helps to practice that a few times before the pressure is onpun intended. Then start it without the choke on until the oil pressure comes up on the gage. Then choke to start. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > 69 Land Rover Series IIa > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 24 19:25:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DB72584888 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 810AE258069E for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 19:25:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j17so4739616oag.14 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:thread-index:content-language; bh=ikVoRic9WaaJ63z4Ezf1j8EI7SPXy01io/HoArZIWz8=; b=DHLFnrOGZWXymtFood3RyktJc4IxpFIEQTXPIuZXoCcewxJCyLV4VbxHU1ZPEfWhhC M1bHPiOQF0xauyV3mKqw1hs6sYUTHaBoipxR+CNUVYH8ZB5Y92YbmG+f+nv5EUcRGqlP rlOb0ewGbI+qTS7TovmRwQzvDfcNwQ48A+8Vsmx6VFbFvjH9tvnC25zyrit3e7vlhCSX GM3ZhlUNPdfaKlJ7ytt9bMTWir2exOqcWi6RT+Sm/p33n47L+RujGAXnchlDZQy7lLd6 ZQYnrAIst9ryBxWGNV8PqH3gixuP0JIJjsVPo66Zpg8RsQShQ310YEGFZrt+4FNJPmur Bh2Q== lc1mr18218509obb.65.1406251535210; Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r4sm15578579obi.3.2014.07.24.18.25.34 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Bud R'" References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 21:25:37 -0400 Thread-Index: AQKVdq06envlqnYXlUFJL/7/MCK7hQF3lUvqmhikOfA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks everyone for their comments! I even heard from Steve Yott himself who stated the pump is submerged in a TR4. Spin without the plugs until you get pressure and you are fine. No need to pack it. Thanks again. You all are great! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL From: Bud R [mailto:levilevi@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:07 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Jim, Take one of those big (usually yellow of some wort) cheap screw drivers that you won at a club raffle and bust the plastic off the shank. Use a big one that matches the gear drive. Spin it up.you might feel the pull once it primes. And get the distributor back on ASAP. It helps to practice that a few times before the pressure is on.pun intended. Then start it without the choke on until the oil pressure comes up on the gage. Then choke to start. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 24, 2014, at 4:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the pan and prime this thing?? Thanks in advance, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 69 Land Rover Series IIa ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 07:32:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC48E25849E1 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988892580446 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:53659] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C3/57-32028-37C52D35; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:32:35 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:32:35 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: triumphs List a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=L6cYEwWsmEAA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=rt_8fe8DXhTkMNJjzGYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Subject: [TR] charging problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, 63 TR4 + ground generator system. After arriving home last night after a 40m ride. I turned off the engine to open the garage door. Noticed the ignition light still red when key in off psn. Engine stopped ok. Tried restarting, ok but red light stayed on. Tried this a few times and finally the red light went off when I turned off the key. Tried to start the car and after a minute or so, red light went off and ammeter showed a + charge. So I figured maybe the control box just goofed up. Looked at it this AM and now there is no charge indicated by red light staying on and a slight discharge at the ammeter. I pulled off all connections to the control box and re-attached. Cleaned the contacts in the box. Took off the generator and hooked + to ground and - to the large terminal and it spun like a motor using my camper 12 battery downstairs. I put a new generator on the car and same problem. It started to charge for a second but then the red light came on again and small discharge. Tested the new generator and it does not spin. I got this on sale a number of years ago from TRF. So, did I test the generator correctly? Cant remember its been so long. Or is my control box toast. I remember Randal posting something about a manual to test the control box but I lost it. Thanks for any help. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 08:59:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FC425807BF for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:59:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61D32580796 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:58:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 61/A0-18478-4A072D35; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:58:45 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bob Labuz'" , "'triumphs List'" Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 07:58:42 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+oDOmku/plVfXcQ6qMfx9ZWODJVwACW+aw Subject: Re: [TR] charging problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Noticed the ignition light still red when key in off psn. > Engine stopped ok. > > Tried restarting, ok but red light stayed on. That almost sounds like a wiring problem somewhere, like maybe a short near the red light. But maybe it's just the cutout acting crazy. > Took off the generator and hooked + to ground and - to the large > terminal and it spun like a motor using my camper 12 battery > downstairs. That's a popular test, but in my experience it doesn't mean a lot. I've seen generators that would run like that, and still had shorted windings, thrown solder, etc. > I put a new generator on the car and same problem. It started > to charge > for a second but then the red light came on again and small > discharge. Well, hopefully that's just the control box acting up again. I wouldn't think it could burn up in just "a second". > Tested the new generator and it does not spin. I got this on sale a > number of years ago from TRF. Might be worth trying again, with the two terminals connected together. But IMO it would be better to go through the steps in the booklet. > Or is my control box toast. Seems like the most likely explanation, to me. The unfortunate part is that a failed control box may cause the generator to fail as well. > I remember Randal posting something about a manual to test > the control > box but I lost it. http://tinyurl.com/l3ja4wh Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 09:08:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050C9258517B for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:08:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E90725807DF for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:54008] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F9/EC-29174-B3272D35; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:05:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 11:05:32 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: Triumphs List References: <53D25C73.7080400@adelphia.net> a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=L6cYEwWsmEAA:10 a=K-M9NP14YcwA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=7jk-AvD_rIl5S0GxklUA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=2_k0-0lVmDcA:10 a=WjDReHOScsgA:10 Subject: [TR] charging problem advice 63 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A follow up question to previous query. Maybe it is time to convert to the alternator setup as advertised by British Wiring (Triumph Rescue). Has anyone here used this particular setup? If so, any problems, gotchas? Is there a better setup? I have heard on this list with problems with the alternator conversion with the device coming loose etc. I am not looking for a $ savings, just something that is reliable. Thanks in advance. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 09:13:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8D22585178 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:13:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130552584AAF for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hy10so7486687vcb.4 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:14:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=awRrNtSZPkwXOF2H8bpsR7FULhrhLj4uJeU1nWaRZkA=; b=qLDNx+D37ri2E9Yny437zWft2gbk1BxKE+l0T/JzucK56xDpRluodZw8M+6QsbuydE 5eXjjNpHSsOQm0cHffR0GYFLCPGsF1TGlE8XnIHLox0Uqu43WdEG0gWZ/7BrC8xcb8BD WVLBWmUxABfyuvltKXmm+wLbHRK14YThRGG/VPL9aMGLAiwCPgAjGbc7Wstf6E3D4Uws njMtzumoNuMnHzGJcr90j85MnkEMug7RYJmCMu7Y01Lo/6qNB7gXSOyVvu7CUCg9zobx InF1sGQN3CBWzF5aTNyOuvtkXsnl7iH7cFjXse8N74FRrFXSpdBRzcH1ZS0D0OluuY/d eEmA== cf1mr2481176vcb.76.1406301245972; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:14:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <53D25C73.7080400@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:14:05 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bob Labuz Cc: triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] charging problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR4 had an issue wherein the red light would sometimes stay on after the ignition was switched off. Restarting the engine and switching it off again would clear it. Then one day I couldn't get it to go out with a restart so I raised the bonnet and took a look -- there was the generator operating as a motor and trying mightedly to turn the engine. Good thing I tend to keep the belt a bit on the loose side. In the end the problem was the control box which I cleaned & adjusted. Geo On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Hello, > > 63 TR4 + ground generator system. > > After arriving home last night after a 40m ride. I turned off the engine > to open the garage door. > > Noticed the ignition light still red when key in off psn. Engine stopped > ok. > > Tried restarting, ok but red light stayed on. > > Tried this a few times and finally the red light went off when I turned > off the key. > > Tried to start the car and after a minute or so, red light went off and > ammeter showed a + charge. So I figured maybe the control box just goofed > up. > > Looked at it this AM and now there is no charge indicated by red light > staying on and a slight discharge at the ammeter. I pulled off all > connections to the control box and re-attached. Cleaned the contacts in the > box. > > Took off the generator and hooked + to ground and - to the large terminal > and it spun like a motor using my camper 12 battery downstairs. > > I put a new generator on the car and same problem. It started to charge > for a second but then the red light came on again and small discharge. > Tested the new generator and it does not spin. I got this on sale a number > of years ago from TRF. > > So, did I test the generator correctly? Cant remember its been so long. > > Or is my control box toast. > > I remember Randal posting something about a manual to test the control box > but I lost it. > > Thanks for any help. > > Bob > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 09:19:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1102585196 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4079F2584A4F for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hy10so7504216vcb.32 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Ywm54w2IrAbNNBI4NUQ5kvh4AQoWjsR+k8na25xG0To=; b=jf8HxQUO0dATakIWLssF6XyanZW/88Vh11eGTd0LmiTqWYhS4KBP1Lv30hczeIGbVy Ps0Df3RJHvmYK0luVc67nDA8pPEQhYI8Uww7+CVuKrPWdT7BQ1UgYc2CY81RTD9Z596/ ejmzTsfLTQWQq7y6drMCsbze20FLhhM1hV+l4Ggp+qyoPeUw2ntsvUbFjqRjRGt2fkmK bguk/XY5hIbrTw5Y3eBGzd1G8vFSzBgWew6FtMD4lalVgBzrvkb/nJbGoo/MUx39Q5M9 A9Ip9brbeqs3s8JoPMdf63GdX7KmMwF/cSYEa5CHVun0+LQ4Eg5MpR3a4LbYJt/McnUb fo/Q== Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <53D25C73.7080400@adelphia.net> <53D2723C.8070503@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 08:19:30 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Bob Labuz Cc: Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] charging problem advice 63 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: I am not looking for a $ savings, just something that is reliable. How many years has your charging system performed well? In my experience the original system can be quite reliable. Obviously if there are other reasons at work that call for increased power (lots of night driving, electric fans, powerful sound system, heated seats, etc) then those are factors -- but I don't buy that reliability alone calls for an alternator. BTW - You would have to convert to negative ground. Not a big deal to do but worth noting. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 15:28:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A392580803 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:28:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117FC2580459 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wj891o00527AodY5FlUlCY; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:28:45 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WlUl1o0072ymm843flUl11; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:28:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:28:45 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20140121; t=1406323725; bh=nURV5bhwyrcp/rQA9AnFVC/oxo30PUZsBkPV49eYBVU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=rDho58jVHc/ZOxqLMI9Ts04r7UG2Gjql/aU1I7EZi7Pu4EHtOH/Lmu6XlJL5zcV7d GZ+rUfDrPAeAq5VwAlKDyJ9B05nrcLF/cDOcFwn72ezQGCXrVC4WgMU83N0ImlSAJn 877vAusGntruNFMzHHADvv4XWsPN8TeL+NP1MCbNVu+1S+8Y6RULB/L6m49g6wdKwL ZirRlm3km7NP9rzC2iYSAz4/Xy2j1/FAYOpjf4vbnMY211EmLOB6W9po2kKUrnNuI3 bf6xx9/VWMqPYNL+gzX5mQFHnFJyJfV/vu20a3xg+nN7sNPI3NBHRTcytFqE9Vhp/u kj7Co85ej69Pg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just curious. I understand the need for lubrication on a fresh rebuild. But isn't that the purpose of putting that viscous engine rebuild lube on moving parts during assembly? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 15:41:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66EB25807D4 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:41:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2FE2580459 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:41:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id la4so8343229vcb.37 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:42:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5P0DzPRpypEyskrmommLJMuA0kuKYaFKEFXsynMgqRs=; b=Is9PV32khODWcUR3OR8UvGIarlPSUoU5zJoBctIa6HlcZXkBi/6XKg/hzA2YYgQf69 h6HlpJhqiSbFJZsJTp+4oUkMKtGgy1yVQCa6F9sYhF04iBxcHy+k17FLVz8MffTO6JoZ mVW+ewAQfFJoqsQn4uFyifuin/lchNWwycapNaGXUP+8V/TuH98j6OUJ7BdPtmYdET/G pKkaR5tBpH7GzYFj4tzia+dlr4AOFzRVcG9P8oC6xBs2mk4if0aOgJdhOgMXu+bn2vLB 2dPyGy2v+IssZrFzRbQ8BhvWRwQi0Fe3xgWey9LU4pyMTxPBg2V9j6KNR5hHgZlUkRoA c5Vg== zx7mr14169645vdc.2.1406324536965; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:42:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <035801cfa7a7$577e8480$067b8d80$@gmail.com> <669236652.668875.1406323725135.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:42:16 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM, wrote: Just curious. I understand the need for lubrication on a fresh rebuild. > But isn't that the purpose of putting that viscous engine rebuild lube on > moving parts during assembly? > I think assembly lube is used so the surfaces (e.g. bearings) do not run dry for the time it takes for the oil pressure to build. It also offers some protection on parts that may sit awhile after assembly. Once the engine has run, the assembly lube has done its job. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 20:43:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED5C2580794 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 35AEC2580565 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 30830 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jul 2014 02:43:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2014 02:43:12 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id Wwj61o0091NzpT901wj9Vq; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 02:43:10 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=QW9f5LGyZnLUu2JoFaQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=58395 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XArwx-0005DT-Fc; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 20:43:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:43:01 -0500 To: terryrs@comcast.net,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews hester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <035801cfa7a7$577e8480$067b8d80$@gmail.com> <669236652.668875.1406323725135.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I takes a while for the system to "prime" and fill with oil upon first startup. That's the purpose of running the oil pump with the dist shaft or turning it over without plugs until you see oil pressure before first startup. The lube you put on those parts during assembly is the only lube until oil runs through the system. A certain amount of oil stays in there afterward. The assembly lube doesn't last long when no oil is running through the system. Doesn't hurt to do that on an oil / filter change too - spin without plugs until the filter is full and you see oil pressure. Then start it up. Tony At 04:28 PM 7/25/2014, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > Just curious. I understand the need for lubrication on a fresh > rebuild. But isn't that the purpose of putting that viscous engine > rebuild lube on moving parts during assembly? > >Terry Smith, '59 TR3A >New Hampshire > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 21:00:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2026225807F9 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:00:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C02258058A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 21:00:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id WqcV1o0021swQuc5Fr0bnf; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 03:00:35 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-212v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.246]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Wr0b1o00A5Ji7d63br0btf; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 03:00:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 03:00:34 +0000 (UTC) From: MICHAELMARR5258 To: triumphs@autox.team.net (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Test new e-mail address Thread-Index: hvFP4k2QRtatwIzss0w8j1FwqIzErQ== s=q20140121; t=1406343635; bh=qoXsFaOcIs4eoqts51zLWXpITTYG7nif1t6PGQ6qEz0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=wJFKp/fsPcKIw+6hN9FOdyHmneGmODo+PSpWfs4Pepk0mbhDiuq7p4utoElUBk32F VVoMzKiIiCB0NBhF3ioVhP+b4EP0qKLbDNf885J3kVShPIkALylOnJLAtsRrRDckoX TXndPxAA5RN5rrXbKdpAO59X9RK+byU6yW9Ln1ldgBB0G9knnYJzyPq7MVR+YvThPJ xq1mhj3Bcwgws7say0F4wvqKsJCPmX/b0PEHMDi0xvrWttTqg1M3aX2Fm5OvWWtlsB G/9ybID5CkavJ6QIGCho68jSqAON/sxEdYAtNyffWe+qgcp9X/YfueSO+KZQJ3ccoY gQWZhBJGYecFg== Subject: [TR] Test new e-mail address Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 25 22:57:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0FB25807AC for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:57:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EE7258058A for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470C42C0089 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:57:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:57:21 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <445023633.5844240.1406343634755.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Test new e-mail address Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You failed the test. No recess for you. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 26 07:30:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA812580877 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C012580876 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 07:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:56256] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2E/9F-27317-76DA3D35; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:30:16 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" Cc: "Triumphs List" References: <53D25C73.7080400@adelphia.net> <53D2723C.8070503@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 08:30:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] charging problem advice 63 TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It could be the generator or the control box, there are some instructions on testing the control box here: http://herald-tips-tricks.wdfiles.com/local--files/start%3Astart0/Lucas%20Fault%20Diagnosis%20Service%20Manual.pdf I have never had much luck trying to adjust them or even test them (I never get figures anywhere near what the book says you are supposed to get on your multi-meter, but I maybe I have only worked with them when they are already toast), but others have reported success, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 26 09:30:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D858F2580882 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 09:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8867D25800A6 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 09:30:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id s6QFV0tS024876 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:31:00 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.4.4-GA) with ESMTP id ADQ11117 (AUTH tws@bright.net) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:30:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:31:12 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <02bf01cfa790$3d794280$b86bc780$@gmail.com> refid=2.7.2:2014.7.26.150018:17:7.944, ip=, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, DATE_TZ_NA, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML, __FRAUD_CONTACT_NUM, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __C230066_P5, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODY_SIZE_1700_1799, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_NXDOMAIN, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS refid=str=0001.0A020209.53D3C9B4.00EF,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-10-18 03:57:34, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Oil Pump Priming Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jim, you have received some very good advice, as usual, from the list. Professional engine builders, and the rebuild industry, all recommend pre-pressurizing the system either by means of an external oil tank that can be pressurized with air and connected to an oil galley or by externally driving the oil pump. It is not recmmended to use the "spin it with the sarter" method. Even if oil pump is primed and moving parts are coated, the oil has to travel through a lot of passages to get to all the components that need to be oiled. If the oil doesn't get to where it is needed, plugged passage, leaking seal or ???, this is not good. We build a lot of engines in the course of a year and they are never done by building up pressure with the starter. Good luck. Ted On 7/24/2014 6:40 PM, James Henningsen wrote: > I read that you are supposed to prime a new oil pump with Vaseline or other > substance. I didn't prime the new pump and it is installed with oil pan > buttoned up. It is an uprated pump by Steve Yott. Do I need to pull the > pan and prime this thing?? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 TR6 > > 69 Land Rover Series IIa > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tedtsimx@bright.net > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 26 10:18:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EDC258088C for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190B525802EE for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:18:29 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:17 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=cnj4vJ7tdMDubE-zeAkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.170.195 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.170.195] ([64.121.170.195:51741] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 74/83-09399-CE4D3D35; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:18:52 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=93triumphs_list=93?= Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 12:18:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] move coil from side of block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone moved the ignition coil from the side of the block to the inner fender or considered doing it to reduce the heat and vibration? Any conclusions as to the result? I have a TR4 but it applies to most Triumphs. The current coil, gold Lucas Sport is 15 years old, not a lot of mileage on it. I had a coil go bad many years ago and the engine was missing badly before it quit completely. This coil isn't that bad but there's a roughness at speed (40-55 mph) that I can't pinpoint. Everything else has been tried, so a new coil is on the way. Allen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jul 26 11:34:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663B52580450 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD19625800B6 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 11:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f174.google.com with SMTP id c1so2059753igq.7 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:34:37 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=jhcIk5aoyYCl4PLeYIkIbL9wsrCpo8abEYWKJKCdqG4=; b=yG9houuw4SLytr1QyQ68Pop4NA6BKb/KQuSSAJjKCrfk5dAdRPt5d64eggRSFMv+TZ XqFRaZx2q0dWlec/rstXJxZQeCyO+jDcSymgf+8BpMJCojVIshjhRBC17qb0bE6XESJa dENLvYar/XGm+/sLPD+0aMlatvArKssIDfcDEya4IVUOL+h6iP2ycoXcOLXEyaIlhLC4 b4uMpXc3aCoxLzK1AOU1Kt08xv8LcUPCZDV61I56W/JXhgySomx5IcZIwtZuy10Ya3S9 RnAZnl+4scyijs8PD8CvY3/jFe992r0Z8iYz1zz0s5qYemi5zbUliRX3gC2c4e/GbAkQ QucA== Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (c-24-127-42-201.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [24.127.42.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tp2sm8107976igb.7.2014.07.26.10.34.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Jul 2014 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:34:35 -0400 References: To: Allen Hess Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9Ctriumphs_list=E2=80=9C?= Subject: Re: [TR] move coil from side of block Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I did it on my TR4, good results. Or perhaps I should say that I've not experienced cool failure. Bear in mind that (on the TR4) the mounting holes in the block go thru to oiled area, must be sealed. Jim Fat-thumbed from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:18 PM, Allen Hess wrote: > > Has anyone moved the ignition coil from the side of the block to the inner fender or considered doing it to reduce the heat and vibration? Any conclusions as to the result? I have a TR4 but it applies to most Triumphs. The current coil, gold Lucas Sport is 15 years old, not a lot of mileage on it. I had a coil go bad many years ago and the engine was missing badly before it quit completely. This coil isn't that bad but there's a roughness at speed (40-55 mph) that I can't pinpoint. Everything else has been tried, so a new coil is on the way. > > Allen > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jhassall@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 15:17:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D82C25845F2 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:17:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S25.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s25.hotmail.com [65.55.116.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A67025800A4 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 15:16:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W10 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S25.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:17:05 -0700 From: marty To: Triumph List Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:17:04 -0400 FILETIME=[486B24D0:01CFAAA9] Subject: [TR] Brew Swap III Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a reminder, Brew Swap III is scheduled for Tuesday September 9th at the VTR convention in Dobson NC. We will have some tables set up, and provide cups and bowls. People wander in and deposit a few of their favorite local micro beers on these group beer tables. We just wander around taking our cup and sampling from all the different beers that everybody leaves on the sampling tables. If you want to bring a snack to share that would go good with beer that would be fine also. That is what the bowls will be for. If you happen to be a home brewer we will also be having a home brew contest at a separate table. You would leave a couple of your home brews there and everybody will be sampling them and voting on their favorite home brew. Looking forward to seeing you there. Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jul 28 23:58:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1936E2584623 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:58:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4611F2580475 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 23:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.166] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 05:58:58 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.140] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 05:58:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2014 05:58:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 16264 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2014 05:58:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406613537; bh=XjIRcGLJJKVLHY3pEJcbT3KdNJcrP63cqlgpMjAGsAw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=m/lfwwKO9f/h0jwlqKOC2HmJ0QGE3qAvQGot9CI2p9R69FhrpdW42OYdUTN2G2DuyspkAhWvcPUSqF7j8V/+8VN/4aEnnEQMv5USQrTx86wF27PNN3DPCGTYM4IBgErRqCdR6xpXuQuXgwCSZdAUipDOQ11+meXceu/RqCsbmNc= zkqnmzT0ea56Ucsveqq56uuIwhTA.ZWXF466J.YKX8B_OnXVt3jshknTu9R7 Ok8lyczI_wrNqP7RVpAhcxr1UcWOEX9uyJ0dc9wS3YvardPh8i4O4mkizJ1K 1wVpShDQWDJWLBmhae2rmByT4dREsSOcIuzRL7SVT39NNDG3qlk_d3Oekm70 ZGbAME3sM4kOgNdEGG6A3.y0SX6hktR_76sZMDN5Adf_OQNljThGhgWUri3P jCHj6eXsVQCx.HdKSDDanQnKIKJX5uFShgGKliqviRKSYaIGqISZzc7hjkze nQYmUYBjg7xX3R3GoF293NKPOtgALKviNuI5EA_j5HIEDKq2ts7lb_6e1JOQ SBEL.Qzl_.MuNI85Ue4y5zn1O3Sw1Y.dOOySa5lPlxi0_XpJ_pVTgdDCM_sf 3KatDWkCwUhGgmc2wohfLOdas_YYgKeuZkHKZH18x3LnoKL4kAce_IUYosso tggoemRirvVHdhMukdVRX794uBzpaUimbw0uhBoYfiXq4PUCx_ycBA430Q3N vh.vbBJ0- Received: from [108.240.210.115] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:58:57 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIHdhcyBsZWF2aW5nIGEgZnJpZW5kJ3MgaG91c2UgYW5kIHRoZSBvdmVyZHJpdmUgcXVpdCBlbmdhZ2luZyB3aGVuIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2ggd2FzIHRocm93bi7CoFRoaXMgaXMgYSBuZXcgcmVidWlsdCB0cmFucyB3aXRoIGFib3V0IDUwMCBtaWxlcyBvbiBpdC7CoArCoCDCoCDCoFRvbmlnaHQgSSB3ZW50IHRocm91Z2ggYW5kIGNoZWNrZWQgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBjb25uZWN0aW9ucyBhbmQgb2lsIGxldmVsLiBXaGVuIHRoZSBjYXIgaXMgaW4gM3JkIGdlYXIgd2l0aCB0aGUga2V5IG9uIGFuZCB5b3UBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 22:58:57 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] A-Type Overdrive Solenoid Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was leaving a friend's house and the overdrive quit engaging when the switch was thrown. This is a new rebuilt trans with about 500 miles on it. Tonight I went through and checked all of the connections and oil level. When the car is in 3rd gear with the key on and you throw the OD switch you can see the solenoid move sort of weakly. It seems like it would give a good "clunk". Any ideas? I am thinking about taking the solenoid off of my spare trans (which worked) and installing it on this one. Any suggestions? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 06:32:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B705225846BB for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A712580811 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YC8Q1o0020mv7h057CYcX4; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:32:36 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YCYa1o0032ymm843XCYadB; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:32:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:32:32 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: William Brewer s=q20140121; t=1406637156; bh=x82eWcos6Ccdg8devRYI6jHkZ2gRU9G2gCQJ7Aq5QUQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=osdLWCYmWZmipdTxNs71G+6cDB8qQjFHaoWsuIJwS7NtkzMQvD5XEEPiUFJxx/QzD kdeMtY7OO1CjWgTn33NruSodK7IVv7sKgj8ZCcmYgKlS+e5lfu7LKfLocSSejLor6W YOizNKcI22BSXtHHxVFA277KxQIKEvCpG2cm3FYmYJa54+oGoZi03F50qbyMJv+7NU 6XON13k7X5ehfo+TrjHN+AGEEfr2ZfOQL8UQ3Fqik1K+RVJZ4S+6pxGri/kMs+w9My ElkdJFUJQd3/ZV5p0brRskcwpYjWjJTX+59RE63muHldogrF6oVSBQYL6OBQvqHwOy Qo2ToyoN8lvWQ== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] A-Type Overdrive Solenoid Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >I was leaving a friend's house and the overdrive quit engaging when the > switch was thrown. This is a new rebuilt trans with about 500 miles on it. FWIW, I bought an aftermarket solenoid for my A-Type and it didn't last long. Took a used original solenoid off a spare OD unit and it's been running for years. Not sure the new ones are very reliable. Others may testify differently. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 06:55:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722B32580777 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D07B258072B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 06:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so4494291vcb.6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+g0kwY1G0abdW4+OI1JSErlV7kSaDYvyqSZ3hsqx4Vg=; b=pVsyLzMDwNl3MZHZh4nDMGTavzD7kn+SGVRZ6h1j3dZHxlg+tlAlK8WXRNp6JyI27R g+QgTeNbZxmc13MHggy9GP8L53BnSpH7nA9XU+LojVsD7AqiZBLjo8gST13d6drrj5n8 aXEvTdIYtCsm2m7udUJXyrsjnk3CFNMwU5EpGZ0IGARfox5OHs+aohW1+pS1o+QHgV/X PYRuUCiYfMyAa9rse+TS+pqPQhws/WdGGvsbJxe26OR0gOL+BlJncCxqYZ6wo3qE0dVv R0H8gD0YC7rrEkHSbJCDz9G+frMO2Sz+ptElnj/mRlIETb2UIFCyGWpL5cwPh6X4z5QZ Y07w== o16mr1200246vdj.58.1406638408396; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:53:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <1406613537.76928.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 05:53:28 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] A-Type Overdrive Solenoid Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net "When the car is in 3rd gear with the key on and you throw the OD switch you can see the solenoid move sort of weakly." Would this be the behavior if the pull-in coil had failed and only the holding coil was functioning? I agree, try the old one. Geo On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:58 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I was leaving a friend's house and the overdrive quit engaging when > the > switch was thrown. This is a new rebuilt trans with about 500 miles on it. > > Tonight I went through and checked all of the connections and oil level. > When the car is in 3rd gear with the key on and you throw the OD switch you > can see the solenoid move sort of weakly. It seems like it would give a > good > "clunk". Any ideas? I am thinking about taking the solenoid off of my > spare > trans (which worked) and installing it on this one. > Any suggestions? > > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 15:31:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1C82584F5F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:31:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB9C2580499 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:31:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YLrB1o0020EPchoA3MXuah; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:31:54 +0000 Received: from PorterOfficePC ([98.202.198.114]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YMXt1o0012UaxNi8MMXt7L; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:31:53 +0000 From: "Jeff" To: References: <84.33.04420.EDA98B35@cdptpa-oedge02> <5A337D908F0E472FB2CA441F1AF6D965@PorterOfficePC> <32eecfb2aea901a80acb09516b48f904.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:31:53 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac+ZheinK0GKUZYRR1mWj8lhDDkODgR7YOAg s=q20140121; t=1406669514; bh=APPuAKKLE0WR0aal5/g1vPERREFxsWwPe3nnEgbobrQ=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aXa2DbL4vx95iMzDCdLVtbUaN+OQ03t8Phwu/Hqer6bQmjwNTNqtT+wtp+X6hlPeF 9X20KhFJEdraVqAvpRkIkkePb68n+Hbjf1Br/fB2NrwHcyfmDjKPnPF5z6WxJq9VpR JSlnVZ3arUTwgFSuvIuLYkwiDE9M0Imso+a1ocapLndwPvJBCy19nIIs39PgowlF0o K9BiNf4lRnN1xbDNbmgyl6FN34XEob1bgzXFEA4vdFiS2HA4K/LzcyIRV7yu1NpT00 BGtxj7Iw1ynInscJQcETRmMPJimDebVyufQzInv05F8go4r1xCpdft5BHxLENX7aJ7 9zneDTdKI65tQ== Cc: 'Randall' Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I replaced the Grose float valves with needle valves. I also put in new fixed floats. I used a color tune and set the carbs to the proper mixture (I think) The Colortune goes yellow at high RPM but is blue at idle. I checked the mechanical fuel pump which seams to pump a good flow of gas. It ran great and I thought I was done, but after going up a hill for about a mile it started to stutter. I noticed if I pull out the choke it runs better. Any suggestions? Could the gas be bad? It's been in the car for about 6 months. -----Original Message----- From: greg@gelhar.com [mailto:greg@gelhar.com] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 7:51 PM To: Jeff Cc: 'Randall'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes A while back, I rebuilt the fuel pump on my TR6. I got to wondering why with over a hundred horsepower powering the pump what kept it from delivering sky high pressures. After I had it apart, I realized the engine's cam only moves the pumps diaphragm to suck in fuel. It is the spring on the diaphragm that pushes the fuel to the carbs. So no, I don't think the pump can overpower the carb's float valves. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Thanks for the input. I'm ordering the viton tip needle. My fuel pump is > the stock mechanical pump. Can that put out to much pressure? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 6:40 PM > To: 'Jeff'; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes > > >> When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 >> blocks and it starts >> missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are >> really sooty. > > Others will disagree, I'm sure. But my first step would be to replace the > Grose Jets with the proper needle valves. I don't fully > understand why, but I've fixed several cars with similar symptoms that > way. > > Or if you happen to have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator installed, > try turning it down a bit. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 15:59:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D686C2584F60 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S8.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s8.hotmail.com [65.55.116.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94437258471B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:55:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W82 ([65.55.116.8]) by BLU004-OMC1S8.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:56:13 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:56:12 +0000 FILETIME=[EA3A4920:01CFAB77] Subject: [TR] Lift the dot posts. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List, If someone would like to sell me two "Lift the Dot" posts I would appreciate it. I need two posts that have a half inch shank and a half inch machine threaded mounting bolt. Thanks very much. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 16:25:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B500E2584F7A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:25:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277C22580682 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:25:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:12445] helo=cdptpa-web16) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 0A/67-18701-37F18D35; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:25:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:25:55 +0000 From: Randall To: William Brewer Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:25:55 +0000 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] A-Type Overdrive Solenoid Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Geo Hahn wrote: > "When the car is in 3rd gear with the key on and you throw the OD switch > you can see the solenoid move sort of weakly." > > Would this be the behavior if the pull-in coil had failed and only the > holding coil was functioning? That's certainly my first thought; well, actually the contacts inside the solenoid that supply current to the pull-in coil. It might be that something else is limiting the current through the solenoid (like bad relay contacts maybe), but the solenoid contacts or coil would be my first suspicion. One test is to hook up an ohmmeter from the relay output terminal to ground (with the ignition off). The resistance should be less than 1 ohm. If you get something closer to 10 ohms, then either the contacts aren't making contact, or the coil is burned out. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 16:48:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5622584F7A for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:48:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34412580682 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:48:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id hy4so624595vcb.13 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OgzUitgIIS6P7mEzdk1lR9nfgb9vCFoV/qpcTvBK4Mc=; b=akge9GJqzCXCWZrBjutf9KzBO8yGs8aCsc0KF4bVSlRgn95YZrXJ/1RBhKnd/3K+3a 55EB9S0nR9ckLToxbx8ApjCEt8E1eO1Mf9seMaGcijyfvqqbmbAYxR1DotyzwNnOpkql KrtyBsQ27NbJZxu5EsX+Dn8MErXjO/ImhK2kSvRrc5B4JI1jxvJO3g2ZlWcn2zHCzfxn qR5q9oTP8Qlc3rc9pDduqraw20jzapX4HusaLn1bXLr6plRdSU9HgcQNUGoUynyvXg+D PLt3s5Na6cLzq7LGk1qoAE5E8CcskQwJLTo+zIY8sFymzAWKyeKzmk6HIBQq3FF6ISGJ Ecbg== zx7mr4136162vdc.2.1406674123725; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:48:43 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 15:48:43 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: tom white Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Lift the dot posts. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tom -- If that 1/2" length includes the nut then that sounds like the usual LTD post (though some old ones were smaller) supplied by 'the usuals' - I have even found them at some Ace Hardware stores. OTOH -- If you are looking for a longer than usual shank... I got a few from this site: http://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_model_t/model-t-ford-side-curtain-fastener-lift-the-dot-nickel-double-stud-on-8-32-machine-thread.html ... though the length is more like 5/8" on those. Geo On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:56 PM, tom white wrote: > Hello List, > > If someone would like to sell me two "Lift the Dot" posts I would > appreciate > it. I need two posts that have a half inch shank and a half inch machine > threaded mounting bolt. > > Thanks very much. > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 18:39:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1822D258075B for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:39:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A44F2580682 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wp18so60545obc.34 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=EJQOy7J79BIo0DgMd1XXaTQ/kbTvFhVOA3+GheJ62L0=; b=09y2KF66pCgCzgdFNuNgOLxQh0ZNPkjV2CVBrsQAvccf3RzH2kQLBmY2+i4vTHPnXz yJFr87qeKjiT8aWk7iNo4ZvyaFk+AvcbY9ud+FmfGk8iQZwNJlqJMgrgNfGAECsF4UBS u8i4TQlOUxZORUKJTT8vfjapkgBxY8dkoU2trYMCMBYTc7EfM6iD30WPjCH7KCgLvHWy PBb7pJJQbHKeBL5pMwzMqxrHD/rufF6ArrfO7DSCs/XpqJqKcn0lmVfpcnuy0S3G24Fr GcJ7Sz01J5jdzkn6uW6wI8jFobNgnLMljTv8t2sQ/AflxkMePuG73gKCZuSdm5B+MNOL 15oQ== ow11mr611264oeb.47.1406680783956; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w4sm1315735obz.20.2014.07.29.17.39.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:39:46 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+rjrlsNzGxcOoOTCO451ep933sQw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I am determined to get to the VTR with a drivable TR6. The new plan is put my old tired stock 75K TR6 motor back in the car as my current engine is out getting completely rebuilt and won't be ready L . The one part I can't seem to find after moving twice is the late model stock intake. Does anyone have one that they would loan until I get back from VTR or available to purchase for a reasonable price? Please contact off list. Thanks in advance! Jim Henningsen 62 TR4 x2 both not running 75 TR6 Not running YET! 69 Land Rover (Triumph off road parts search and find vehicle) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 19:51:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9C2580738 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13D62580694 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:50:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF6B2C01D6 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:51:00 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <00ca01cfab8e$c39bff40$4ad3fdc0$@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net James Henningsen wrote: > List: > > The one part I can't > seem to find after moving twice is the late model stock intake. Thought I had one, it is the earlier version though, drat. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 21:48:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC5D2580764 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E72580432 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YThD1o0010FhH24AETnvDt; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 03:47:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YTnS1o0023eKESF8UTnuaR; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 03:47:55 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:47:23 -0600 References: <1406613537.76928.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer s=q20140121; t=1406692075; bh=l8Jw2VHocAVgOJmxUUoxZFbEyTP3bn1iyKQqluH6WUg=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=ogBDmPHw9Gp2vShCRVQ0Y6ZDDh2hzRMHTicJU70XzTrLb3WA9HeShVrTNeseMzs57 pa1JCix9/owYC9Y26Dflq4mDW7V9ufSFMOYuz3iUF9ZuhKBMXn47LcoRRalsjIlwbk s4x4lv0HYRCHmtheEXv4mAEdiN3/xWIDIIyx4k9uQev6ymEWdP/ixPPn7qygG5EI0n ciEfNlwiRjbWE0yuxn9m83D/AEv8BN0oLByJV0VENRVbREROvDzCKrGUt0baKvebKF aSKEgioCkUEeCWg1wIx5/GVWAGfRDhX5beS236MiCLmf87WCiM8eUq17tL3Xgo9LsG pr/teGxcJNh7w== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] A-Type Overdrive Solenoid Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try testing the OD relay in the engine bay per Dan Masters book. I had a relay with burnt contacts that made it seem like it was a solenoid problem (thought it was the pulling coil too). Test the relay thoroughly or even try a replacement if possible first because its lots easier than accessing the solenoid. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:58 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I was leaving a friend's house and the overdrive quit engaging when the > switch was thrown. This is a new rebuilt trans with about 500 miles on it. > > Tonight I went through and checked all of the connections and oil level. > When the car is in 3rd gear with the key on and you throw the OD switch you > can see the solenoid move sort of weakly. It seems like it would give a good > "clunk". Any ideas? I am thinking about taking the solenoid off of my spare > trans (which worked) and installing it on this one. > Any suggestions? > > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jul 29 22:33:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287F5258488F for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:33:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm18-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50DE2580432 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 22:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 04:31:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.164] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 04:31:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2014 04:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 88191 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2014 04:31:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1406694668; bh=AqUtk6AxahwvB3Uhs+yDAOnT0asJnuLPVH4WIY3KZzg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=seORTL31BhxBPlcIeHRWkUwpYt9vJWJpWwQntmRMqyFHp7WPN3k3VrtyDhR6hsQ9nGRaR+x+irFtxY/sZSyI9MchUoXn81J6zWrGoGojIT7U/duegkk5uUuHRAOrcCYSiSHPCnDMmRSkpgL8T+F3f72nmYqVSHgRa0YGf3ML14M= PMh1H3G0fZSh8qfK_RWlRJn2DHTt4x9Ti9kVXwWadUzQaZaC3uIloPJ5Vq6D eNMD3x7hRRmLYnwkhgDuDbAf91U59xMjPt4x7OWWFaZHRZyYDuc.fCpyVW8g IVrxA2qJUziQMB.uqh3GlYUUvjtuA0t9BQX4EOO5DO.zMJ7jfWU7sFQhCLUj RZXILhoB_0zKhdzrbpUYlfv_DmmQDk_sn2Vivurty7br_MCJatA7IQ1wANRH wKmGXG9ZJ9c6aR0_8673f8teBTIK1Aofjm8oAm9UITmjX4M.VnhNXBlfqAkM m2sphmKFSprWP0lrMFZHt9.pEoPngHtb5kXli_m0O8ct0DZiuc0VV0EhrqLH 0EI.KtPNrdZ4InY1oPhytQyPWrvpwMl9DrbzjsJVFNjDEBHhuklRIPyZvf1Z 51GUp4flqfDB0wT3cqiYQ5m5GCTCIpGz3uIDmh_Vp.r1TblrjyLq3QV1D_Bi NxYwFwisP5WDFWRMyNXZi5Xk5x_By9dv_.2GhsoJs0iWJ48C67aHeIt5DZrD FcVuW180pwEi9hEpjpQ5gkTYzH_jOJxen4sQdX0_lcqtBvPIVO9n5ESh1pL7 MglYwH7is.HefHORKhsNdqn2abgUm7VifjYDR4V0wxYJFXdYixet71GYBt3l wI7JE0EGgbLCaOeMpwSIG.O1xdhkw3xLECSdBTj.W2y8JaZJ9Ou0pMvM.IxT S Received: from [98.184.155.216] by web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:31:08 PDT SSBoYXZlIG9uZSB5b3UgY2FuIGhhdmUuLi4uLi4KCkp1c3Qgc2VuZCBtZSB5b3VyIHNoaXAtdG8uCgpDaGFkCgpTZW50IGZyb20gWWFob28gTWFpbCBvbiBBbmRyb2lkCgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:31:08 -0700 From: "triumph74tr6@yahoo.com" To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Part Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have one you can have...... Just send me your ship-to. Chad Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jul 30 06:17:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC622584912 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:17:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DFB2580683 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:16:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id nu7so448043obb.14 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:17:04 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OUF3wIdoyjFYEl0bTzISjdkohQHP2Abdxy84sI/o9S0=; b=q9Z36oF/ksxM5ZxFm6CVDqiECSAA80M2KR5k8O0FPhPa0SQ/ygQcYdYox229PRIZ9t 0cIUwobaSAd0c44Jh4DacJwOd9s7B3zR0944+JPuQ/f5XP1bzCldqgpsMZCgXCeVfFxb FVYjnqnFoRhQNGDOhXKPFgoRh42wptlzcvR13S6OCsHebIVI/HSn+xUyF6qJamCDVpim VRvVqSvJtYFDnLpUq43SKgGFHoVrx3wWo+S6OOciV3e3zUtoctRueBPyyNhlm23bgEND L6xXBLd8FQbwAitTvhAMe7Id8Gs47bSrLwlOc10w0noVw1JsJF53fWW3i8lnW1jW0u89 Jh9Q== w1mr5229544obf.47.1406722624402; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a9sm8787800oex.4.2014.07.30.05.17.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Henningsen Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:17:03 -0400 To: "" Subject: [TR] Part request update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: You all are the best. I have an intake from a member so thank you for all your responses and see you at VTR! Jim Henningsen ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 09:37:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D832584F9C for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:37:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0C22580844 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 09:35:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smithsPC (ool-44c7440f.dyn.optonline.net [68.199.68.15]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0N9L00M0J202TO30@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 11:36:04 -0400 From: WILLIAM SMITH To: tr8@mercury.lcs.mit.edu, triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac+s1NiZvGovrZ3ARkep/ia2Rvfa5Q== Subject: [TR] 4 Post Lift Advice Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi fellow listers, I am in the market for a four post car lift that has a significant amount of clearance between the posts to make it easy to pull a wide vehicle in and out under it. I had originally picked out a Bend-Pak HD-9XW because (1) it had 120" width between the columns, (2) the distance between the runways could be adjusted, and (3) an acquaintance has one, I saw it and he is very happy with it. Then, between the time I first researched it and when I was ready for it, Bend-Pak changed the design and reduced the width between the columns to 100-1/4". I am now considering a lift from American Custom Lifts ("ACL") (a small company out of California) - a "Voyager" model ACV9W. It has 110" between the columns. I understand from ACL that it was designed, and is built/assembled by Challenger lifts in Kentucky (Challenger, itself seems to sell only heavier duty commercial lifts). My problem is that I have never seen an ACL lift, don't know anyone who has one, nor have I heard anything about it except from ACL itself. Does anyone on the list have any experience with, or knowledge of, ACL or its lifts? Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill Smith (New Jersey) William L. Smith E-mail: smithw1@optonline.net '72 TR6 (original owner) '80 TR7 (second owner) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 14:41:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4832584FF1 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47DE2580458 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.79.27]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Z8g31o00G0bMNDS018gBTv; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:40:12 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:40:09 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+s/vlHDQlAScUSR0++In4SXbrNHA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Someone near Raleigh, NC?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I am looking for a sympathetic TR-er who might be able to help me out. I just bought a TR4 all-synchro overdrive gearbox from a guy in Raleigh, NC. It's a bit of a drive from Michigan, but I have to go down to Florida to pick up some car parts from the UK in the fall, so I could swing by then. Is there anyone out there who'd be prepared to pick the gearbox up and hold it for me for a couple of months? Andrew Uprichard Delighted at finding a rear apron for an early TR3. Thank you Marv Gruber !!! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jul 31 14:59:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CD92585006 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC4S15.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s15.hotmail.com [65.55.111.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A21A2580412 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU402-EAS139 ([65.55.111.137]) by BLU004-OMC4S15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:59:35 -0700 From: marty To: =?utf-8?Q?Andrew_Uprichard?= , =?utf-8?Q?Triumph_List?= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 20:57:53 +0000 FILETIME=[558DF420:01CFAD02] Subject: Re: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Someone_near_Raleigh=2C_NC=3F=3F?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will be in Dobson next month and can bring it back to Northern Ohio southwest of Cleveland if that is of any help. Marty Sent from Windows Mail From: Andrew Uprichard Sent: bThursdayb, bJulyb b31b, b2014 b4b:b41b bPM To: Triumph List List: I am looking for a sympathetic TR-er who might be able to help me out. I just bought a TR4 all-synchro overdrive gearbox from a guy in Raleigh, NC. It's a bit of a drive from Michigan, but I have to go down to Florida to pick up some car parts from the UK in the fall, so I could swing by then. Is there anyone out there who'd be prepared to pick the gearbox up and hold it for me for a couple of months? Andrew Uprichard Delighted at finding a rear apron for an early TR3. Thank you Marv Gruber !!! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27AD2584AE4 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7D92584AC6 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2014 22:19:30 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.117] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2014 22:16:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.168] by tm108.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2014 22:16:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jul 2014 22:16:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 4162 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jul 2014 22:16:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404253002; bh=9Jpnrfx1V7eKXWZmHJ7qSssUY+Iqr0v1yXf/AU4CNcE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lvhthuFhOqNR+6ApHcwe2j0xE77Io6AesemYal8zxOO6RoBCd38RPM9Y3rx0yMjXcJF9uAEHe4aS9EkezfE5xnsLKUQMzNb9eTpjBioOvJ69KYBNjDmrafv7+vmjVb15wbevRldJ62aZCq14gf3I9gWpyrRBoOx8jYUXjkCek/0= E71mAnxi5513AeyZKulm1e72Q3a0kG7ULMhxgOu4QgvOSAq5hqVeyF.VX.Dx O2HpPtGeehDDGUhkhzCLMIUr.kr_UBWn2aC1KbBSAUUItYoA3qj6Zpnz0v_W hbcetCV475ksTnCxOUw8GQbow2r2W.1QojsMeSdIL9znfGXgaQ9fZSz0ERQQ urr4EOCUAkGxj.sgYWoxEpHM6upWoEQm9_oXYvudl0.uzDdUwJF2ygQqlAnc QTP2xhFT6N3yTHxSAtrtqnDXJzNTVIIa8ShrcQJlerVxsDwuGZAwlk4RDw12 xkEKvQL6WIOy4y6xOMxdwBc6vhHpyryH0yzhe4OmUnrP5JOC4sO6inQDDO7_ J.6Dsb2Kp3Z33p44J1Se4cv.2ZArxoYTbxBo8nvp5.8pbOgbdrAC8JTQLS12 R0NKePuI.E1jEbmQHnZ2DGMeVjRaK.pNPLtbXJ2rMTmSSsE_g6FSoMEsYPGI vbPkn4F2gXoUQkpdJli5A3fUCLrtnC6tCz7Yp6rKZoYPIjoO7hVUYr3TpuQY - Received: from [50.78.67.10] by web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:16:42 PDT TWFya8KgwqAgUGV0ZSBHcm9oIGhlcmUuwqAgR2l2ZSBtZSB5b3VyIG1haWxpbmcgYWRkcmVzcywgd2lsbCBwdXQgaW4gdGhlIG1haWwgdG8geW91LgoKS2luZCByZWdhcmRzCgpQZXRlIEdyb2ggKEtleUd1eSkKCgogCkRhdGU6IE1vbiwgMzAgSnVuCjIwMTQgMTg6MDk6MTUgLTA2MDAKRnJvbTogTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIDxtYXJrQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4KVG86ClRyaXVtcGhzIDxUcml1bXBoc0BhdXRveC50ZWFtLm5ldD4KU3ViamVjdDoKW1RSXSBUUjRBIGlnbml0aW9uIHN3aXRjaCBiZXplbAoKCkknbSABMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:16:42 -0700 From: Pete Groh To: "Triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4a threaded chrome ring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Mark Pete Groh here. Give me your mailing address, will put in the mail to you. Kind regards Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:09:15 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4A ignition switch bezel I'm working on a TR4A down at Baileys ( CTC 613?? ) and I am getting tired of fumbling about under the dash to get the ignition switch when I want to start it. All it needs to put the switch where it belongs is that little, threaded chrome ring that holds it in place. Anyone have a spare? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F16F2584B2A for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:51:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D6C2584B21 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fizzer.bradakis.com (50-198-190-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.20]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67EBC2C024D; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 18:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:51:25 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Pete Groh , "Triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <1404253002.75030.YahooMailNeo@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4a threaded chrome ring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Pete Groh wrote: > Mark Pete Groh here. Give me your mailing address, will put in the mail to you. Thanks!! Mark J Bradakis 739 Park Street Salt Lake City, UT 84102 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A942584BEF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 12:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f170.google.com (mail-ie0-f170.google.com [209.85.223.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E1C25808DB for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 12:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id tr6so9880622ieb.15 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=message-id:mime-version:from:to:subject:importance:date :content-type; bh=Fom5HOd33I+FKtEgYiMehG2/zeo0o6f8k0jXDMF6aw4=; b=wpdApq37buXZKQaYiAUsbkSWoJwnWx9nyvGg4dkOMclUQGI1/QNos4r+P7acIw8/bv tNC0HlrBXWzVk2MpcxiP849v02QJJLwuLqT5aNwqFs2CRoNa3HI/3YRGdqcNdVNWub2k e13U3mtpokw88Jnptr5NmYN0PcPB7k3K+02fEzgLqu+5Q6sjJwPXkaiaSlO3jSi0/zHj uRTrsVjzb9nQlZwbigQmcvmPkzh3ty95CSTqAgpBZnyFNC9sRYIJpxtodZCLKxz9GBW4 qHZaebJ9L5r4PQQcOEz0OXR2P1ulr3cPlsALgSD4xKBe3AoY4Fd9wm7W4y6AFtsltsnE iZBQ== Wed, 02 Jul 2014 10:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (c-98-223-25-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net. [98.223.25.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tp2sm1435851igb.7.2014.07.02.10.00.50 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Jul 2014 10:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "=?utf-8?Q?triumphs@autox.team.net?=" Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 16:58:18 +0000 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Making_a_Break_For_It?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Ever be working on your Triumph, and drop something, like a nut, bolt, or washer? Sometimes they fall submissively, hit the ground, and just remain there. Well thatbs a Chinese import. Happy to stay in America. Itbs the ones that hit the ground, and take off urgently, heading East. Now thatbs British steel, trying to get back home to Coventry! Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue Sent from Windows Mail ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E0B2584C09 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:16:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.100]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8553E2584A56 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:16:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2014 19:16:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2014 19:16:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jul 2014 19:16:55 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404328615; bh=xo480B4U6Zb0fCOsEX6SHbxVVVSUHai9YKVRJ9c/iSg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=FyemqEHTSVxPcaCZlLv2qGuhCrFKmiQDKU8TkOvFE+OCCUIFC6S9uUzauhKSZqzW4v/0Uh7OqA+3XGrDIUlTZQNw0ZHrXcNTF3q4MbjeosqUA9Vx618xkdaNyZGDGC3PSEHyXhFJmidKfZzdOIEtXfUH/XS3b/n8vY3ADO5Zayc= KLQhqeegTJUU9GuB3s9s73lqoh74GpMUTkQU1tsSlijteR2IBIKIdE80DAnJ Uef3at82sKK966j6MUFvyvmmxsi9jlQ_VmUGe71slt1rR_kIJvf4V89OPd8Y bTQHkkaXFyWcnL68hwEXBdLpk4cyFTIreFcNuA2zDGRf1tbPkcqJOuyCIqJu 8E59e4W9jaCRXOvGxuRiWkmEWNW7z4VA3RVha7E8_r2r4Iw87EX_uXtoDlHj VX.geYNaAIaqXblIUAqqDZw7sVLeNR30m4OWa5oyY0Zmb9BMJyCn5tErkPcV 4umaa4XFCW6iNHiLwg7vXu.zFq3FFjqdb8rwngbLXx.BdfC62g7Xu4MioYvQ rShwc1BR1EIrPiS4JG4m6Naut.Q5rUld8uiYlgygywxyyovG.qBltOPhXtkG 6Ql_INnqqelCvCLY0LH2CLSnJm.yBdE_jVD0uRzO6xrieXDiw48AfCgYszqv avzg_5FnsVHju6FJ4Uza9YyjGvcOWW.0d_8Gm.COsNjkrfsBtGRaKgXvEADd JHxDCMRLgWPVf6eO41OX7MwoJkIk5cF_E8IPx [98.138.31.74]) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jul 2014 19:16:55 +0000 UTC From: To: , References: <53b43ac2.2294320a.1718.2a6b@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:16:59 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+WJUQ/+gyLUsTxTWyDsaeoMSbWWgABHN1Q Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break For It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Very well put, as just the other day I searched for an irreplaceable spring for 30 minutes before finally tracking it down. One of my handiest TR tools the little flexible grabber with the LED light on the tip. Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of will.daehler@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 11:58 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Making a Break For It Ever be working on your Triumph, and drop something, like a nut, bolt, or washer? Sometimes they fall submissively, hit the ground, and just remain there. Well thatbs a Chinese import. Happy to stay in America. Itbs the ones that hit the ground, and take off urgently, heading East. Now thatbs British steel, trying to get back home to Coventry! Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue Sent from Windows Mail ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7CA2584C04 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:49:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f45.google.com (mail-oa0-f45.google.com [209.85.219.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92AD25844AF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:48:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so12946379oag.18 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AzqC+FDom6OhAOT7zOG0kORbkFDmgPprh7FGSh9nrJo=; b=xKUsic+yBGHsa4H0MqVn7K9oZKJcHcoqeG2M/q+4oxAyRRboA72RZKqEj8kk3GbvNB Ab+woXCvJMr5GE/60zpPki9W8r18sWHyFDvPWHs+BJDY6MguQGptW2XjOvRlSmDY2sk1 wVcFzKe73gaO7ArplmrF5RixbK+jV+uSYSRC+rAJKBUVzVP/ml9FHhcv0e+9KlUbzZ6u mFar1mETqHJwroc9yOviWlpzDOr8kM8cIYvb1aBr8rieHuGL5MsLeXXQeDZoBvAFNOQj n+wwISUCLf6XLv/4pq7LwB964mwcQ1ZMTfnrnEWGZJR3DNEpToi2WkadS5bo/+h1GreX 1DsA== Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s6sm51142703obf.4.2014.07.02.12.48.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:48:57 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53b43ac2.2294320a.1718.2a6b@mx.google.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break For It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/2/14, 9:58 AM, will.daehler@gmail.com wrote: > Ever be working on your Triumph, and drop something, like a nut, bolt, or washer? Sometimes they fall submissively, hit the ground, and just remain there. Well thatbs a Chinese import. Happy to stay in America. Itbs the ones that hit the ground, and take off urgently, heading East. Now thatbs British steel, trying to get back home to Coventry! > I break down a card board box and lay it under the engine when I work on it. Things are better at staying put when it hits cardboard and I can just pull the cardboard out to retrieve what I have dropped. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C63D2584C06 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f41.google.com (mail-qg0-f41.google.com [209.85.192.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF5C2584AEF for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id i50so5272920qgf.14 for ; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=2qBfXA9HT0tGt/kLRHPLFRqWVNi43A3nY4AluaNIdb4=; b=neLIRT+2MontJXf1TJmRTgxTUiQR03z7qte4QJUDsphC6pVhaeDrBOdQ7xDRhysFN8 a6tqVu2tVzl3qH9fkwvliKIQgyq+Z6Ru8RpIlVNIW+XudY6Sspt+85I7djanoA8phh6h +Xbfs/Zy0Hbnm2fh9ailsuaiunMlGkOcJeRpVQG6jJ31hmQkzVwV9BFBm7gfzTNPBfSK f3mzqKbD2vTwN8hT2yUdBMkFvS11d3vw4h7oHIv5gYNbvJbEw8GXBkNiPaxDi9oOzwn7 ixfctULUvohH/EjL9GTQvL+jQAMhOYlMBucD6DBAKpssn5KIO1WwTUiNmUjbMhZ7y1G/ lq3g== fn8mr494205qcb.14.1404332464514; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.39.242 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) References: <53b43ac2.2294320a.1718.2a6b@mx.google.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 16:20:44 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break For It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO In all seriousness, I've sometimes been so vexed I've tried Mark Twain's approach from The Adventures of Tom Sawyer . "He well knew the futility of trying to contend against witches, so he gave up discouraged. But it occurred to him that he might as well have the marble he had just thrown away, and therefore he went and made a patient search for it. But he could not find it. Now he went back to his treasure-house and carefully placed himself just as he had been standing when he tossed the marble away; then he took another marble from his pocket and tossed it in the same way, saying: 'Brother, go find your brother!' He watched where it stopped, and went there and looked. But it must have fallen short or gone too far; so he tried twice more. The last repetition was successful. The two marbles lay within a foot of each other." And believe it or not, it will sometimes work. On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, wrote: > Ever be working on your Triumph, and drop something, like a nut, bolt, or > washer? Sometimes they fall submissively, hit the ground, and just remain > there. Well thatb s a Chinese import. Happy to stay in America. Itb s > the ones that hit the ground, and take off urgently, heading East. Now > thatb s British steel, trying to get back home to Coventry! > > Will Daehler > > 63 TR4 Powder Blue > > > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:33 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91062584C1A for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:21:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com [193.189.74.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304E42584C0F for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host81-136-155-84.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([81.136.155.84]:44309 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X2R25-002ZZu-Oi; Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:21:33 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: References: <53b43ac2.2294320a.1718.2a6b@mx.google.com> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 21:21:32 +0100 Thread-Index: AQGIAZHbfuHhIIrqxP4M+dc+xSxJBZwcX2LQ Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break For It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Dear Mr. Daehler Your message had got a bit scrambled by the time it had crossed the Atlantic to the UK and I couldn't quite work it out. Anyway, to the errant spring that tried to run away from you. Firstly, I hope you found it. Secondly, I do trust you aren't implying it was trying to return to Coventry via China? Bless my soul, in the days when your car was made, we had no 'truck' with the oriental gentlemen to whom you refer - or the stuff they made!!! Just to set the record straight, in the late 1950's, we even had some gentlemen from firms called Toyota and Datsun paying visits to see how we made cars in those very early days of computerised production control and vehicle/component marshalling, so the right part reached the right car - most of the time. On those visits, there was a lot of "Ah, so" at what they saw - mirrored to a degree by a very similar response from a limited number of production workers who had been in conflict with people of that same nation some fifteen or so years earlier - in the jungles of Burma and the Far east. I think I can be confident in saying we never used any component sourced from such far flung destinations. Generically, it was all known as 'monkey metal' and treated with the contempt it deserved. I remain, Sir, your obedient servant Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of will.daehler@gmail.com Sent: 02 July 2014 17:58 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Making a Break For It Ever be working on your Triumph, and drop something, like a nut, bolt, or washer? Sometimes they fall submissively, hit the ground, and just remain there. Well thatbs a Chinese import. Happy to stay in America. Itbs the ones that hit the ground, and take off urgently, heading East. Now thatbs British steel, trying to get back home to Coventry! Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue Sent from Windows Mail ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3986/7784 - Release Date: 07/02/14 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40695258051B for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 12:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E5F2580403 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 12:32:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aac02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aac02.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.36]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A78A37004990F for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.81]) by mtaomg-aac02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5B74338000081 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-vm047.sysops.aol.com (149.174.147.25) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:33:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1404412380; bh=KXIMliLQOgdDhYCWZA6nXLW8WSqcLCFLqMgivB5k/GQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cxREAaaw5iL4e2axJgvDOzUCPRX967JKePp1HImlSVhuDW16QpvGVZQ5U3Y1w9SVE jDyjzDgksVJtnPrOcBJJ/cXSr8fi3bVZzEhWlifiTLBdI8I9uUzVnROc5p0k6gIiHg jW5J0NXRSeppDSZ8Dt4m1tTb8Jqhs8JtaHpb9wV4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b022453b5a1dc3868 Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break for It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Yeah, that's what I always do, too. Unfortunately, I never remember to do that until after the first one or two items have made their break for freedom... which are nearly always the smallest, hardest to find and most difficult to replace items being worked upon. Nice thing with my Land Rover, I don't need to move it or jack it up to crawl underneath to look for the missing parts. The TR4, with about 4.5 inches of ground clearance at best, is another story entirely. Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. '62 TR4 CT17602L amfoto1@aol.com www.triumphowners.com/640 www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1 -----Original Message----- I break down a card board box and lay it under the engine when I work on it. Things are better at staying put when it hits cardboard and I can just pull the cardboard out to retrieve what I have dropped. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD77B2580697 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 19:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FA4258068D for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 19:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:60856] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C1/8F-04420-63906B35; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 01:53:59 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , "Alan Myers" References: <8D165045A1D4E44-1930-3C5B8@webmail-vm047.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:53:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break for It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Back when I was young and foolish I used to think that a nut or bolt or small metal part wouldn't or at least shouldn't travel in a radius any larger than the approximate distance that it fell. Although I still don't entirely understand it, I have come to expect that a three foot fall can sometimes send an item skipping across the floor ten feet or more. Greg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D70C25806C7 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB82580690 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m1so1154088oag.35 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:25:53 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=W69W3ppJh15sVjouB/lX0goblawu8xXBHYDuF4P7LB8=; b=f8hvnORvriiCO6MapyVnuWED6SbpUZbtiHIN6/7BpUmwyCk2LhhOtUOkthZKrZWof9 qdJjbW1gYxWET6jII4axdEQ7sRSEbpu2C5kHeXgukGwTREvIdReHJTHwRLrgHZ+/4dwk dvQXRCW/IPgWatNjqqf2D1Bmk9PDgjstcBhLl5dON72Nv4EM2Kp5N5optRulBV3lhKHW 3XkSNOXP7AkKhYh7AonQDlzdGVptuNxw9TfxAsWgdPjbWGW3jbWI73Llp/3YJFnUQCAC eeZ34cxc90rckq0TB1deXSKKwDSwLPiqvEwDdKwRyr1ZbxsWdgBZIeiQYlLXjt6smlJ4 g2QA== rm3mr7164870oeb.78.1404440753153; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g7sm56153247oex.10.2014.07.03.19.25.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:25:50 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking lots who are fascinated by such a small car. My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043FC25806C1 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f47.google.com (mail-qg0-f47.google.com [209.85.192.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A51C2580690 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id q108so978095qgd.6 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:39:19 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=jBNLQrm/0LPmifuf1MN9F9yK/XamVa2RuwNQ/R1EZG4=; b=GGRwAZhW6zQPthW4a84/41Kqyq9fX2piIROWS1MwxKRL2/LxbhQest7Cytspdq4mL+ vr3Mx5RSB60H59UwPsDx7TVV27RX3isAHsxI04bI6mxOxBPMR5osvyMfaz273Xyc4mQs tLPrdy3X3V5zeHOJZGHL1NmKTUGUNBOsdlAwtGhmK5o657ftR8BiyO8vBsw5tppud1YS YQaPCqF6fJgOavQL0L+eH/kZirzb4S2ePW1mxGLjz1Vmn3s3oT6DwY+V9+6mwUQgxJ8S +rWmbgvBL5pNUmAwuk7lb85AgPWBuLRwFRIF3oug4EaK/Ly9wtaZIjJ5FO6A3cpqOyPV MsSw== j75mr13549651qgd.42.1404441558920; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.39.242 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 19:38:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> From: Don Hiscock Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:38:58 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Yeah, TeriAnn, but I bet nobody came up to the Lambo driver in the parking lot to talk about the Miura they used to have... On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:25 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July > grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best > buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got > into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional > thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of > the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone > had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said > "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking > lots who are fascinated by such a small car. > > My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so > it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the > revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling > pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, > still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini > pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp > the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the > intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just > comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so > full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1102C2580701 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:55:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6094258069E for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fizzer.bradakis.com (50-198-190-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.20]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBCB2C018E for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:55:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 20:55:50 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumph List References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I bet his fingernails were squeaky clean. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F1325806B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:39:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D012580690 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 21:39:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 1F/E9-28754-DE126B35; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 03:39:26 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:39:24 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+XKtQbXpIbKFUZQ6GMiw1KHMwzpwADolBQ Subject: Re: [TR] Making a Break for It Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Although I still don't entirely understand it, I have come to > expect that a > three foot fall can sometimes send an item skipping across > the floor ten feet or more. Try pushing a car, then picking it up. Might help illuminate. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4479325806C2 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27942580690 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:20:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [71.173.131.152]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8600DL86QLU0M0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 03 Jul 2014 23:20:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "Triumph List" References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 00:20:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO OTOH, a couple of yrs ago I had the TR6 on a hiway with a lot of traffic lites and was sort of casually dicing back and forth with a guy in a new Ferrari with our tops down. We ended up at a lite together and he was quite friendly, compimenting me on the TR and answering a couple of Q's about his V8 . Not everybody is a jerk. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: "Triumph List" Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:25 PM Subject: [TR] So there I was >I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July > grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best > buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got > into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional > thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of > the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone > had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said > "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking > lots who are fascinated by such a small car. > > My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so > it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the > revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling > pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, > still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini > pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp > the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the > intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just > comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so > full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A73F2580735 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 06:07:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22625804D1 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 06:06:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hw13so1274762qab.17 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 05:07:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Y73rpYfDpG8HSRc7fsEpscGQ1R7izmdMKlOySOV+vPg=; b=D3MGpSCC05dyrM8XnrL+BB3Kb/OyDt+k2sYga5DtDBrQmNqYPu+q3WUjel34G6EtAZ HOpvbwshPt9g4HTfef1oYVvsgWmZZpmALtrf7kC0gDqDu6nA4Kb62xHFcHEXHLx/6dhv UNpF9Omtfy/dV2yOp6W4CYuDYxgGsczhskYivjF84gwxKzQQPxZ4/EGMHG9G4ua+8zRy Blf7T5sQXBQ5LF2WPlL6wwRqKr2vqnU1z3S1v/jtkb0aZichTwz5qWb4vaGPwR9Dew0m 3wi0iDhVFpXoYYTXsbAuwfnxe3O4KoE+0MVSsGbEZ9OpcIcLVz7WWeu6h6tWOCAbQvgt fBuQ== u9mr17476436qas.98.1404475623878; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.39.242 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 05:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:07:03 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Penrite TR team at Le Mans Classic this weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO For anyone interested in following the three TR cars (TR2, TR3S tribute, TRS replica) at the Le Mans Classic this weekend, here's the live update blog from the TR Register in the UK: http://lemanstrs.blogspot.co.uk/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A8C2580750 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 06:54:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.183]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26A32580316 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 06:54:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 12:54:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 12:54:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2014 12:54:51 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404478491; bh=Qr+SkPjShMJotNJAEoat1DDwz5AahW+pgAD8SaD5B9A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=EzKVlFEe+oajzgOUmyI37W0Bqp/dFjePGDrFP9MWVNxBB/KmhsRlao2uHA5endaGqdk4w3ZYV9Rsi4a28q8H5rZjdTPPhb7FoNP4AS97x1hpuMMT2WwTcjqdEKlV+utUg0IEyoJ22imu/gNahubdU1Yq8M5SG6LfvSn4JmbEMtE= 3y5ZjMGU7g1JM5RjI9Xpoe0xzqGS5dB0R4LEyZcjqL6CtELOLk2.HRlnstx6 brdQClYjBwVeBcMXumS1bh3rvSuFEPrbDcJLe.lp3vE5S52nqC0qzIRpRGuV 9jdF4avaRNv1TJWXMiMEvpdjVDyZFLSCfEuRO7_0aB8tlDnc5UsiU6vPHPTA PNyleCtZXvii2vFLj2WKcRbAwXC6OmDL1kPHLhxYKr9sGK.3Z6bDqbqnt_1z Gv1iv7ikdv_42C5_5bZAr8mhajneFZ49ZNukbxbce4rEBWv8Sf5q39RYMwNN xQdA4ZKtB51HSQhchv9CRUvJT4JOmXxpSQBk9zdlc2pkjPr87kGfYgqrTnIo WMmTiFRw_oeJYeiPZx3.sqSlXZJCaXmAPoDIIy01aadtJa9PAjZ520RyMEdS EuzEqSQKlaN.KH0GcK8LdgHNmVAXaEBxge3m6XslZzeKCG3OhXPY9b5rdfgL jXKRGPnrM6rKWvPCT9tWJqS.Pha.FSlP6OfNch4J5hehRH_UsVn5jqE3zu8M RGZivT_I5yFztDV.WCuBiUojMmG8pjbAQtdaYn.2XhA-- [98.139.221.42]) by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jul 2014 05:54:51 -0700 PDT References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> From: Wbeech Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:54:40 -0500 To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Fear not Miss TeriAnn, class trumps fast every time. Bill 1962 TR3B Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:25 PM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking lots who are fascinated by such a small car. My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E092580758 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E328E25803F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:27:35 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=c2X72-JLgnghhyaikhIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=vlE0X_KMbJAA:10 a=yljQb63YmhUA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50670] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 3F/4E-15532-1DBA6B35; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:27:45 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:31:19 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Nice Story TerriAnn! I think you should go for a long ride today. Chances are you might come across another Triumph owner.. Now that would be fun. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AA82580765 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:00:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com (mail-oa0-f49.google.com [209.85.219.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D1E258045D for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:59:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id i7so1809377oag.8 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:59:56 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n07xMZ2r3V4Ak342B1abEtyEmN/d8qqdKB5obdLZbvw=; b=DnJyebo8L8NdkPcSCr+GNTiwxb+k0OYH5Y33oOh6iqA4DQY2NX0eJ/Tl2leXac3hbm TRkbKHFDSmg2S/cgx47Paj46Z/w+5W8YZ058gFDsbymKWRwgS7v5YNetGbrHp7G0TIpe lLz7XfzM2tJiHHZZH4lRgvsTS+pYKdtFebQbKbLMQ062dBV+yVrmEg/k3bI3gwJHkVEq glHkV8qipfehni5IiD7Uh7OyFJsYe8skHLObOR/AJx03hhPu5d+ryDrh+myXrA8d2TIW ZBflBZQQMHpV8k4/E8ugCz0IBQ9kexA1fljQF2Xa391LQxASVIww5X0KzmxdOS08xfga pBZw== de17mr12820380obb.60.1404482396130; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm62023991obd.18.2014.07.04.06.59.54 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 06:59:54 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Wbeech References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/4/14, 5:54 AM, Wbeech wrote: > Fear not Miss TeriAnn, class trumps fast every time. But that V12 sounded soooo sweeet. I've never cared much for Lamborghini styling but there is something about the throaty roar of an Italian V12 that resonates in my very soul. My TR3 sings a very lovely song for a street 4 cylinder. One that brings a smile to my lips whenever I fire the car up. But it sounds nothing like an Italian V12. I guess I've spent too many years in the pits at the Monterey Historics and roaming around Monterey car week. I'll recover. Italian V12s don't often roam the streets of Flagstaff. Flagstaff is an American iron town. The annual downtown car show limits entries to the first 500 and of those I have yet to see more than 5 British entries and none of those pesky Italian V12 cars. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7CD2580764 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:08:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f51.google.com (mail-oa0-f51.google.com [209.85.219.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6F2258045D for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id j17so1854993oag.24 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:07:58 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=/BEzXB1rHnGdg4i41R/FmJyq6voaCFcorzUGqX62DBY=; b=gv4jqYqLnBqzbGQvImseR5m5AatEsYLdyigL7Hgo9UYguz7xPlu+YfyyCb53AZuWba VOONNlDxdm6c+koP0/OpyrhP/9wqkfCCptDNHF+tuoxIiUfuP4H0Cp1/yISx+pOCAjCU Uz8GgBT9PbRzVDRxm75mubDTZO2rb9QPa5TH6yu7+x2ZmzTqECIje89fHWGRtQTWkBpk kyw7295JEc6EMftDPAIwxfN1fvoaCuOS/urC87oNJF6oGfXNqbL7meC058xW122o8MZb 0ot+5huPim8jvn/z/E+6ENtTOHqyOngVfHmkOy8TLgHCCC539jyC1lAEe5HMuZrUGgAR ogTg== ca4mr12895327obb.26.1404482878529; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bs10sm22356867oec.16.2014.07.04.07.07.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:07:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Dave Connitt References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> <76624EF466394F78A9187F667A52CF99@DaveLaptop> Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/4/14, 6:31 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Nice Story TerriAnn! > I think you should go for a long ride today. Chances are you might > come across another Triumph owner.. Now that would be fun. > Dave Connit Thanks for the advice Dave but it looks a lot like rain for the back half of the 4th and every day for the upcoming week. We need it badly. My 1960 Land Rover blew a head gasket on the final leg of a recent camping trip and I am in the process of buttoning the engine back up. Any dry time will be spent under the bonnet. The truck is 4 inches too tall to fit into the garage. There is only one other Triumph owner in town. He has a TR3 & a TR6. There is a guy who owns some Morris Minors but I haven't seen him on the road for about 2 years. It is truly a British car desert up here in the high country. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E833258075B for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3833258045D for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id NEKj1o0024oFfFQ01EKlhH; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:19:45 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "Triumph List" References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:59:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO TeriAnn - you're always an inspiration and a great story teller. it saddens me that you would let this guy end your story this way. I would rather end it with: as kewl as I thought that car was, I realized that with no trunk and no rear parcel area, it was a lousy grocery shopping car. -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2014 9:25 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] So there I was I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking lots who are fascinated by such a small car. My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:34 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070F32580764 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:52:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (mail-oa0-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772152580735 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:52:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id l6so1921380oag.12 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:52:49 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rZLKo3w1a99vjcMg5nVmqqQrlzh0Z/IE2AAmRF0qtQc=; b=GlfTjdXDfA6Ner7nm7qGViZ9WvLuFYCUIa7zA2F9IJw7/Fh5EpK85312ZEiB3dYTPX mCOy1svbcqWRF2rCe5hvqS+hMG0wuuOSGvnSz5Dn5d9wmM3Y/5yl2Fi1HsGWSOA2M0j5 5j7TCqvZyRPLTlbFlhsgx0CKlJ9+BloZykodLnba5caV1ocxWttG6lzMLKbF2mrHfA08 krjOUzsMJh5ijU60OKc4UIxiatikGPAlgW/ap+w9OCtOzyuOyaL814xaRq/WiCTz8AIh wADtEVfrBRXBox8cv6KBG46OFJUHzWv3u7GhT9KLxWFLqGASuJKcYqyk4UBakacmWKVV WtWg== c3mr12856561oex.43.1404485569877; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id by10sm114477674oec.3.2014.07.04.07.52.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 07:52:47 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> <481157929D094042A5217E6FA6C69F0F@Ranteer.local> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/4/14, 6:59 AM, dave n wrote: > > it saddens me that you would let this guy end your story this way. > > I would rather end it with: as kewl as I thought that car was, I > realized that with no trunk and no rear parcel area, it was a lousy > grocery shopping car. I'm sorry but I'm readily seduced by the sound of a throaty Italian V12. On the other hand, I've never been fond of Lamborghini styling and had it been parked I would not give it a second glance. I have no idea of how much space it has for groceries nor would I even care. Since the Land Rover has been sick my TR has stepped in for all the chores. Her boot has been filled with plants from the nursery, groceries, 2 cu ft bags of top soil (two in the boot, three in the passenger side floor & seat + one on the rear seat), cylinder heads to and from the machine shop and valve covers to and from the powder coater. But the one thing my TR can not do is take my Irish Wolfhound to and from the dog park and the TR doesn't appreciate being out in the rains so she will be of very limited use this upcoming week. I've owned my 3 for 28 years now and have grown attached to it. And yes a drive always cheers me up. One thing I could add to the story is that when I got into traffic heading to the first grocery store (cherries on sale for 99 cents a pound) I exchanged waves with a person going the other direction driving a late 1930's or early 1940's custom street rod that had a paint job that could have been more expensive than my TR3. A lot of the people in Flagstaff who drive the old classics feel a kinship no matter what the marque. It is always nice when I have a parking lot chat with someone who owned a 3 decades ago. They always have a life experience or two to share and always walk away with a smile on their lips as they mentally relive happy memories. Its one of the nice things about time. The good memories get better and the bad ones fade. But if you keep the car those memories just keep on accumulating. They really are memory creation machines. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C94722580781 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24EF2580747 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 46/81-28754-EFDC6B35; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 15:53:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:53:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+Xl6HzdY3TioyPSLKALz2Vbj/7TgAB60HA Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > But the one thing my TR can not do is take my Irish > Wolfhound > to and from the dog park That's too bad. We had a Collie/Shepherd mix that just loved to ride in the back of the TR3A. The occasional seat was just barely big enough for her to lay down; but usually she would sit up with her head in the wind. And although she would get in uninvited; she never got out until told to. One of the benefits of driving an unrestored car; I never worried about damage to the rear seat (which had cheap carpet instead of upholstery). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603A0258079E for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 10:05:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209882580747 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 10:04:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.74.40]) by p3plsmtpa06-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id NG4Y1o00A0s9bba01G4nwy; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:04:51 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" , References: <53B6BFBF.8020009@gmail.com> <46.81.28754.EFDC6B35@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:04:40 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJNgZoft4599UB+aHGh0SyWCwpVl5qUPt/A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO My Australian Shepherd does the same - sits up with his head in the wind. The other day my wife and I were stopped at lights and we heard some people by the side of the road say "Oh, how cute!" I was going to tell my wife they were obviously referring to her and not the TR3 (which invariably attracts the word "cute") when the pedestrians continued "what a lovely dog" ! "Cute" is very much an American word which I adopted with my citizenship. I was once asked what the Irish or English equivalent was and I was stumped. Any suggestions from across the water? Andrew Uprichard Down to one driver, 1962 TR3B 2 smallmouths undergoing restoration -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 11:54 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was > But the one thing my TR can not do is take my Irish Wolfhound to and > from the dog park That's too bad. We had a Collie/Shepherd mix that just loved to ride in the back of the TR3A. The occasional seat was just barely big enough for her to lay down; but usually she would sit up with her head in the wind. And although she would get in uninvited; she never got out until told to. One of the benefits of driving an unrestored car; I never worried about damage to the rear seat (which had cheap carpet instead of upholstery). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54E258079C for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 18:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C82258077E for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 18:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.188.40.200] ([72.188.40.200:55345] helo=[192.168.1.14]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 78/F9-28754-66647B35; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 00:27:18 +0000 From: Joe Burlein Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 20:27:22 -0400 References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Don't feel bad, just think about the $8k he gets to spend on the tune up. The $10k he spends on a steering rack. $300 for a thermostat. Or the fact he literally can't take his car out of second gear without risking a jail sentence. Oh, plus the fact that when you are doing 60 you feel like you are doing a 160. When is doing a 160 he feels like he is doing 60! Sent from my iPad > On Jul 3, 2014, at 22:25, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > > I decided to get out today and take advantage of the fourth of July > grocery sales. I went through the sales papers. I looked for the best > buys and planned a route that used the least amount of petrol. I got > into the TR3 and off I went shopping. As usually I got the occasional > thumbs up from other drives and people walking on the street. At two of > the store parking lots I got to hear the stories of the TR3 that someone > had had as a young adult and some adventures they had. Several folk said > "Nice car" & per usual the car attracted a number of kids in the parking > lots who are fascinated by such a small car. > > My TR3 has a TR2 single muffler exhaust, four tube headers and a cam so > it has a very noticeable sweet roar. On the way home I was keeping the > revs around 3500 RPM just listening to the sweet tone and I was feeling > pretty full of myself. I stopped at the last light on the way home, > still with a self satisfied smile when a bright yellow Lamborghini > pulled up alongside me. The driver did not glance my way but he did burp > the V12 and when the light changed was long gone before I got out of the > intersection. Sometimes when you are feeling really good someone just > comes along and takes the wind out of your sail. And I was feeling so > full of myself and the TR mystique before I heard the V12 sing. Sigh > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/floridatr6@cfl.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E0F2580B91 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 06:51:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D9D2580A4B for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 06:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wp18so2764442obc.28 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 05:51:08 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QimU82eOFJmroMiv7Yt6NelxhnA5fNxkLtve/DpfvBk=; b=HwF1o2q9tTgX5xs29fAeHl5OqRmGCI6skB/P3Sa4AwuWs+C9qr8KAutUafoYmCYgtf XObxORZeA7h1JGEhd3l7Vg6LGMJtbYapEfC3jLbzroJFHQUOr5EGDw9Qc8evjscwF6mu TS8B91QlTj5Fi7MnvNL0c/2tKrI2D1NwoSojk4uDI9ND7SdVFgPS6A/x7bPJxs8bGWdg Lqg03XWZbuz+JE5BnXAz1W1piBONYkN0NEzl9TT+AkfZpBfGJbVLdR96nyd4iFGLPPRw 9RAkbmzNofJDN3lUgAhgcGHIqC/BpnSxiBe00buEUopbuE5h8xLa4DN1q1Z8lGyMqqdi 5DoA== lh3mr18357435oeb.17.1404564668548; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 05:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sa9sm131104164oeb.17.2014.07.05.05.51.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Jul 2014 05:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 05:51:06 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumph List References: <334994918.443485.1404562601890.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/5/14, 5:16 AM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > It takes somebody special to appreciate a vintage car. > > It takes somebody even more special to keep it on the road when it's 55 years old. > Since my newest car is a 1960 I sometimes think it takes a special kind of idiot. But once I find a car that suits me I never saw a reason to get rid of it and replace it with something that would suit me even less. With both of my vehicles people keep telling me that they had one years ago and still regret selling it. I decided that if I keep it I will never regret selling it. Besides I think it is foolish to spend a lot of money on something that is worth less everyday. Both my $1000 TR3 and my $350 Land Rover still gets me where I want to go even after owning the TR3 for 28 years and the Land Rover for 36 years. Of course I have had to put money into maintaining them but since I never plan to sell it is all just imaginary profit or loss anyway. The important thing is the smile on my lips and the other idiots who own these cars that I have met and become friends with over the decades. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E132580B65 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 07:24:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com [193.189.74.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1821225802F0 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 07:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [176.27.159.19] (port=49790 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X3PxS-002B7W-II; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:24:50 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , "'Triumph List'" References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:24:52 +0100 Thread-Index: AQLXprth6n7+AirVfm0N3bPBfbUGrZl/xSPA Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Some years ago now when out in my 2500PI, I found myself being tailgated by a 'yuppie' in a BMW. I don't know about North America, but in the UK most BMW drivers can't stand being held up and usually think they own the road. Much the same applies to those driving Audis. I digress. Anyway, this individual came past me and then settled down to let me tailgate him. As the road was straight and still with no sign of the 'Hun' showing any signs of going faster and with no oncoming traffic, I selected third gear, floored the accelerator to 5,500 and as the howling exhaust was level with the BMW driver's ear, I flicked into overdrive which produced a most pleasing snarl. I was in front again and without any stress or hassle. This was just too much for the 'yuppie' (who was probably a sales rep worrying about not meeting his sales target) and he just had to overtake me again and at such a speed, he disappeared from view. Fine. No prob - and it had been fun. Three or so miles later, I saw him parked up in a 'pull off' and being interviewed by a uniformed man in a high vis jacket holding a radar gun. The police car was hidden in a gateway to a field. I tootled past at a respectable (and legal speed) without further let or hindrance - but it really made my day, especially as the BMW driver probably wasn't even born the day my car left the line in Coventry in 1970. Twat! Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0F42584898 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 12:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF22B25847EC for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 12:09:49 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=cQ2YHcKa98FeG12HHA4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=YUn9syPwfakVEdEBCLQA:9 a=k_X3tsoJ7TuD6niA:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50173] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 86/91-15975-77F38B35; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 14:10:00 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:13:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A mid RPM miss update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO About a week ago I posted a message about my recently restored TR4A developing a mid range misfire. The symptoms were that the engine idles perfectly and runs strong and steady as long as I keep the RPM's under about 2,500 RPM. I can run through the gears and get the engine up to 4,000 RPM and it runs absolutely perfect. If I drive for more than a few minutes over 2,500 RPM's it develops a misfire and there is a distinct clicking sound from under the hood. If I push in the clutch and let the engine idle, it goes away until I get the engine over 2,500 RPM. I suppose if I never went above 40 MPH that would be fine. >From what I have been told by a few people the problem has to do with the bronze valve guides I had installed along with the hardened valve seats. They think there isn't enough clearance between the valve and guide. I talked to the guy who did the engine machining and he doesn't think it's a valve guide issue. His thought is that if the problem was a sticking valve it would stay stuck! Two other machinist's I talked to think at least one of the valve guides is a bit too tight. One of them thinks that the clearance on at least on valve guide is just slightly on the tight side. He suggested I put a bottle of Marvel Mystery oil in the crankcase to help lubricate the valve guides. I tried that and I think it might have been a little worse if anything. One other thing is that I had changed the oil a week or so ago and the oil looked great. Here is what I have done so far.. First, I removed the rocker arm shaft thinking I may have a broken valve spring but they all looked good. I also wasn't able to find any evidence of excessive heat or galling of anything. I didn't see any unusual witness marks or anything like that. There was plenty of oil sitting on the head and when I moved one of the rocker arms I could see oil seeping out of the small oil hole in it so there is plenty of oil up there. Speaking of oil, I am running Brad Penn 20-50 weight oil. Today I drove it to the local Cars and Coffee (not on the freeway) and it ran fine to and from keeping the speed about 40 MPH. I met a friend there who owns a TR-6 and is a pretty good aviation mechanic/pilot and he thought I should check the timing so I did. The initial timing was set at 10 BTDC and total advance all in is 20 degrees. I backed the initial timing to 5 degrees BTDC but that didn't help. I am just about resigned to the fact that I have to remove the head and get it checked out. I found another machine shop who comes highly recommended and can turn the head around in a week. While I have the head off, I am considering getting some material milled off since I have a BPNW 270 degree camshaft. I had .005" removed just to get it flat but am thinking that raising the compression a bit will help the cam. Any suggestions from people with this cam regarding milling? Well, I have put it off enough.. I am off to the garage to start removing the head. Crap... Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B48C25848A9 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CBF2584713 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:06:56 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=ThifqXtZXIhq7X9rOTUA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=v_QayMIeI1VedZRRpYEA:9 a=guLTetR7WNxUy5bh:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50443] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id EF/A0-22036-BEA58B35; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 16:07:07 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 16:10:42 -0400 Subject: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I had to run up and get a memory device for the new digital camera and decided on Walmart as it was going to be the cheapest. Anyway, I drove the TR4A one last time before I remove the cylinder head and when I came out, there was a guy taking pictures of the car. We talked for about 30 minutes about the car and his restoration projects. TeriAnn's experience and mine and I am sure everyone on the list who is lucky enough to be actually driving their rolling history all have at least one similar experience. I think the casual meeting of total strangers with a common interest are one of the great suprises and pleasures of owning and driving an old British car. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:35 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A342584991 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29822580651 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id uz6so3037387obc.10 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wEfS/98EfMLWQn5KacS9A/UEMxTnTPA9kq6h48MS+6A=; b=xKCi0x2clUJvTwFmU5Ue3JCM6KfEY89akHswZdj43ugGPPJ+eust/+HnpB48/tbVpY p5+z5j7KzkPf++z4+srf7VU4OEzFUWT0xL1mPb/pxAr+cHjtpd4XvhbOQZb4KXWcHtCz u3bfQu/WP4f4cdoIebIQ8H1MBC47JjE+Lq0dp/+LqG5EJNCHChAFv5DGUQRDcZKh6jRP WYIHh8+H9JFhW4FEhWo/NvLD/1qfXVG85qCHBm+RH5Rd1fYFU/F8AZ7RcZY3p6WThvxx Ehc8M3TCJkTsYtb1MXA4bbYdOP6ZxKbyl3kdWc4TSlOQYpfBMrJRG6drh/ft3slIDDwU rcFQ== y4mr21190325oel.44.1404592196125; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g7sm85665011oek.14.2014.07.05.13.29.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:29:54 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/5/14, 1:10 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I think the casual meeting of total strangers with a common interest are one > of the great suprises and pleasures of owning and driving an old British car. > I enter my TR3 in the local Flagstaff annual downtown car show each year. It is one of less than five British cars that tend to enter. I've found that kids love the car. It is more their size. And unlike most of the exhibitors I spend most of my day by my car letting children site behind the wheel while their parents take photographs of their child usually with one hand on the wheel and an elbow draped over the door. Those kids just might fondly remember my TR3 when it comes time to buy a car. A lot of parents who have no idea of what a Triumph is get educated along the way and a lot of adults get their picture taken with the car as well. Bringing a TR out to a classic car show is a way to introduce people to the old British classics. Besides it gives me an excuse to clean and polish it at least once a year. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE9B2584864 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:01:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465892584858 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id db11so2722954veb.4 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=PPxBWIrWxwmUVvuC6iVYbz/eV/+s7cFpB5tZ6lkUme4=; b=RR42EspUfHSE+AT6TR66XK1IiTNLLUZDP5/wVulh/cqSFwSh05Lc0jKIrMHQqqASZq DOYMrSZGatNA4PldX54hXPNSPBTdsC5aYwRj0FntZfdNNz5e9dISjtNdUgIM9SiLkGEs eEqQIl/b/1YgIpKiOBu3Ek67jQf/L0iFSXBmizLiHnX4F+szSKtGK9z/74lDR28bhSXa 73TarqqS56Dk5vceWAbnVPehMEpwydkRSuITNBHb1VVB5SUO3/IhU53RHFZwCgj7pkLi dUWywSUo93M9R6tjg9+cwA1NHk1ukzTp4mf5NXjRaIa3FjMp29OWkEQJS9o+HBTsuIU/ OKGw== gc7mr17986919vec.4.1404604620370; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 16:57:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <53B86042.1030702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 16:57:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:29 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: And unlike most of the exhibitors I spend most of my day by my car letting > children site behind the wheel while their parents take photographs of > their child usually with one hand on the wheel and an elbow draped over the > door... If you haven't tried it, let me assure you that this is a great way to enjoy your TR. All kids get a turn at the wheel, sometimes I tell them the horn is giving me trouble and could the test it? I carry a load of Hot Wheels in the boot and every kid gets a car take with them (most are British, some are TR6s). It goes like this: Kids in TRs I realize some of you have cars restored to a level that you couldn't feel good about kids climbing all over it, but if you can stand it -- this is a lot of fun for everyone, even better than collecting trophies. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC125848ED for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BC12580BC2 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:22:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NoH91o0080vp7WLA7oP2ui; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 00:23:02 +0000 Received: from PorterOfficePC ([98.202.198.114]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NoP11o00H2UaxNi8RoP1lL; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 00:23:02 +0000 From: "Jeff" To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:23:03 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac+Ye0CluWYWr7z3SsyqAJzMG3zYtAAMhtgg s=q20140121; t=1404606182; bh=b7zuP3eO04Ptxi0qGXxFCSmSTzfHwZKBFaDJZK00mZk=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=udzziY+KUoI3/5F3WoU567C4D3T5E3LJTbNgjfGvF5WDwnn1dxlbP5pAhJY7YMuMv szXxWJNUIbHlSiIvr0A1BLHkHr9KcsLIddVU5z1MMd0spP/cSHWzI8gQ1wv3D8t9Tr Ku2eVQmy+j2a+kXcew/cCM7TISLWkYF6jdKcd57TAydNqdbTfXZYNiH0t5Iz9XFmBU jbtSaEwLIlWHqOTqjs5QtVPQSzzB1lU3AEtGIYF07h2q/lXhLz0tj1waUx1uS8/wu6 4OU84xOhZEP+XpAohRrdskF8r+MfjnCiZ+99Xipx7TUjDeQu7QvE90K4Oeo/G2k1Af u1OPByG1PDm6w== Subject: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I've been trying to get my TR4A on the road before winter sets in again. I'm having a heck of a time getting my SU HS6 carburetors tuned. I pulled the floats and checked the fuel in the chamber. They have Grose Jets in them. Both chambers have fuel about 1/2 way up the bowl. I've done the tuning on both carbs to where when you lift the piston the engine RPM seems to rise and fall. The engine runs great, I can rev it with no hesitation and it seems very smooth. I pulled the plugs and they were normal color. When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 blocks and it starts missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are really sooty. What am I missing? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4002584896 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039B72580BC2 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55014] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 84/33-04420-EDA98B35; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 00:39:59 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeff'" , Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:39:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+Ye0CluWYWr7z3SsyqAJzMG3zYtAAMhtggAAD4v5A= Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 > blocks and it starts > missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are > really sooty. Others will disagree, I'm sure. But my first step would be to replace the Grose Jets with the proper needle valves. I don't fully understand why, but I've fixed several cars with similar symptoms that way. Or if you happen to have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator installed, try turning it down a bit. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5C2584896 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.118]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9522584749 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.51] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 00:43:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 00:43:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404607439; bh=HOHA56KYiBcFAI7qS34Dm+12LyYE9HpuPgIZLN0Tnyc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=P0r6nhf+90F2tDBwBx1dqibAXutZTwrKgUqMY3bUpQmA5gnJYV6EvRbEcFXYyqXJ/Jcte8lUpuqSbOEXTmvhzNlJKHuwJqTQnuCjivcF9wkPK8YcIHVL7zwEeyTinmGqEhhp5afClINd/6TV9AviKniWid9pm9+XS57ErAKW8kM= srascgmUOZZCOG15jgH5hFVAs8JVtLPWp5ZHg_pmcYY9C36DYckRzoRBSZaT zGBD0z0A.sF6c9sbZusE9euY_q0zuTd0fpL6_L4jiKokFKhkjZdmCsN.ZlMd f946na9uJ4wHhNi6loWCxegXNFaHTDmnQ.C7yyDUU4qMoIfAy__0ExMS8ZhA 3.jxbYxJ_iT8YjR7XNk0Ny67_tdDkpw4aXT.dpX3KAWAOcytMC4zO1weMM7b emp_ZnJakPAdq2EPdM.AG6AL2d6fqMPsEJr35Kr6ECtVr_BSv04RR0CtaOxD m4sDjBgUEAJmSc0yoVErCsFufu5AOV6UI1UiLqI.e0C6RckBockiJgWJMO8N _NjORTOqDBvrZHr0dDEVMm6aAfzElV52rqg5Oextq0CD0zdurxVpVVff_qVT T92E8X5P2mCJnic6JvNCN_M3Wbkgd7qYtbZl6VGawG6o6.QocnMtDn.qaDN. mjvK.8xfvLdhK_mXq7lqnIaqcs1m9GlN8m0wIvvVqDkNsIwhqMkWJP_q50z3 VcePAjLjtmkwWvFSF1nZN.k055tSnMV.h9pLd [98.139.221.42]) by smtp113.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2014 17:43:59 -0700 PDT References: From: Wbeech Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:43:58 -0500 To: Jeff Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Sounds like the choke linkage is not returning all the way. From under the hood (bonnet) manually see that the linkage is fully returned to the off positions, then take a spin. Sometimes it is some simple. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:23 PM, "Jeff" wrote: I've been trying to get my TR4A on the road before winter sets in again. I'm having a heck of a time getting my SU HS6 carburetors tuned. I pulled the floats and checked the fuel in the chamber. They have Grose Jets in them. Both chambers have fuel about 1/2 way up the bowl. I've done the tuning on both carbs to where when you lift the piston the engine RPM seems to rise and fall. The engine runs great, I can rev it with no hesitation and it seems very smooth. I pulled the plugs and they were normal color. When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 blocks and it starts missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are really sooty. What am I missing? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FE225848A9 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 20:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727422580712 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 20:06:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id db11so2768360veb.4 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5ctmYQ9iYsIJRryDouPqavYLl7xQzab5Ha0iIZP354I=; b=a3VxpWnxE9L88cxsEnAeuxtJMSrSdUCN9ZkFgTUKTf26TsFYr+8HoCg7xtmC6nTFsW 95cp0PJeS7zM4ivn+QVudxleK64po6eEd/fjLTNLWxjSSBDILkHyixg4WPBehgN6sDfe IMA3ujybpr0ZsLK3TR4iqitrymm6STG7O7+7ObDaNans/TQEky9zgT7v7VO3e5XSDCyw J4xJ3UIYh1i6E4ZEtZMznyxb/s6dIJ6xmKclnn+DUgot8TyVBS8dS/QCSqQBhru4zLhG r5LMxeyrkq9Q6gvaOk1FPpX9f5APHBRkSseNOtC4qHPxDQiKHdHcMyl+vo83FcjsJKWO 8zPQ== y2mr3839381vck.29.1404612420610; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.100.180 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 19:07:00 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR4 Blown Gasket Story Ends Happily Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO All is well - cylinder pressure reading between 170 and 180 all all four. I've learned to have all pugs out and the throttle open to get consistent readings. In the process, had the manifold surface trued up, and the new headers' face as well, providing a nice tight match. New studs all around - ARP's for the head - which required some reboring on the manifold face. To my delight, the new header fit perfectly. Took the opportunity of an almost empty engine compartment to clean up and spray new black all around. Its a black car so touching up is easy. Looks pretty good. Finally, substituted a 1 3/4 tail pipe for the old 1 1/2 incher back to the muffler. Re-set the timing, adjusted the Webers and the new plugs are running clean. So for now the engine is starting quickly, idling smoothly at 800, tires are squeeking from stop, acceleration is s good as its ever been and I'm a happy Traveler. Now to get the Stag on the road..... Thanks again to everyone who helped get this car running like it should. John Howard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B2B2584858 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:53:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA83B2584749 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id n16so3140965oag.34 for ; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:53:22 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IBgCCy2YEoOd/GNgVbXLZ9F8ueKoOQJ/jO5Ms6/TDOw=; b=BLyqYtt93BZD0yFuXse8hNiQcJEk9MNolAMogT4feRfuZt+fJFiJyC3CxFZ8ZVsUtf FUhwg430B4zEqDmFAu5eXTAsN7QDd42ff4dkZLfgAt17jRhItgUzy0uNlu/FEtL5t7G8 6ydsjBPT215TeG1iggU7fE4lwBl1k6C1g8Cv1oDsrfVlnQo/LLzw4f3KGZg6OBpJcABw VC10GXenBGFGDcih14BSTzZhRFDJcXEx+m8ctdPkTBzS9dDjshKt9Rmq0J9cDGdLTrIs 8DfxUGECMGz/4ySrEqZrU/JqACQXBz9oTAi51cZnJeWx6jXnuUU083DT3sfcQ0f9o1N+ pS/Q== dt6mr21770431obb.7.1404618801988; Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qg3sm12503739obc.21.2014.07.05.20.53.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:53:19 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Grose jets tend to stick. I had a pair on an MGBGT. They didn't stay there very long. I suggest going back to stock. TeriAnn On 7/5/14, 5:23 PM, Jeff wrote: > I've been trying to get my TR4A on the road before winter sets in again. > I'm having a heck of a time getting my SU HS6 carburetors tuned. I pulled > the floats and checked the fuel in the chamber. They have Grose Jets in > them. Both chambers have fuel about 1/2 way up the bowl. I've done the > tuning on both carbs to where when you lift the piston the engine RPM seems > to rise and fall. The engine runs great, I can rev it with no hesitation > and it seems very smooth. I pulled the plugs and they were normal color. > When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 blocks and it starts > missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are really sooty. > What am I missing? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0AC2584987 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721A72584749 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 21:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:63640] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2F/21-28754-6A8C8B35; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 03:55:18 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumphs" References: <53B86042.1030702@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:55:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO RE: Kids and TRs--My first sports car memory was from when a was about 5 years old give or take I would wake up before everybody else on the weekend and go roam around the neighborhood (different times) One fine morning I happened upon a TR2 or TR3, the shape burned into my little blank slate brain, a cool little car that looked like I could climb in and take it for a spin. It was just around the corner, and I don't remember ever seeing it but that one morning, which was from memory one of those first warm mornings of spring when the air was fresh and clean. Yes, I think the cars leave an impression on kids. RE: Big Dogs and Sports Cars--One of my first jobs was at a place called Foreign Auto Parts, they did service and repairs also, I was a parts runner and clean up guy, anyway, the owner had an Irish Wolfhound that hung out in the shop everyday and went was regularly transported in the owner's daily driver Alfa Spyder, the dogs head stuck out over the windshield and they were quite a site running around town. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94ED25849CF for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:37:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.245]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E855F25848ED for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:37:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.165] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 04:37:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 04:37:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 04:37:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404621468; bh=NmH+VJLQJhrD4UWdlI6sx1MH8qm0HLGREKClat4lFTY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=SiP6QQKWiF5YocLCsoADSf/gFcUFfXCufKAkl/y17hYtxmI0t6lsYWpphfZBsdyNDaZaNt/GVQbaFRaDsWjHMFlEm2c2T4i0DdgLf9eNTsrgvlJxTHtg4k1QF3FlV9E+CRhDmBC0iNOPUfODfVjkYutYZMjiMdObZZiKckduKhI= 5ryRmJSh5OMbAq6YI2hQTFlBqQiwhLzkulSCYWCyIiAIbzx9q3uH6bZVmOu5 4BTP5HvXm9mmu3l8k4RMt8EOAa.hsHqhu6kNQ7Gulduc9oTAhrMlq8I3b818 Jxw.gI0YByi5Ipr1tJlx6BeOl3Fp9vqA4vMrguQhpe6PEmBGcAEKJPaxu6Ig hBQFeDWBpw8YD69nRhD4w0O3djtbU.WgMl56eEFO0QOksebq3Egw_xr7GSgI .oR5q8UhsnUPxx3SF7njrvUhYb0kUuAMip.ptGxMvTWhTy83tHSvO0JdetlW 2prtAe2ktV1HOIS2go9QM9lDmqGOi0Zz.IOlXZgVXyj54DuenQjfDnj7I4Zc ecVWtdvkq23RNCyFhOgUYOUvPX4DbeLrvWZmakDvK49nvxld_EcRX.AQGTnj PjfewmI7uVI.lK8dZTbPK4SNBCQ8yc2mrF0z0dtQk47zSKHOCOSghhWqS5hL TjxIvShgjz7mgnZ.foTuTOzZq_FvbD_o7.B5vMppJUvi4QzQCrm67gPUzSZD 25GvCe7VqKoEx_3MRVfW0.DLhg5QFl2Cl.yjj [98.138.31.74]) by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2014 21:37:48 -0700 PDT References: <53B86042.1030702@gmail.com> From: Wbeech Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 23:37:48 -0500 To: Greg Lemon Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO There's a guy in the Utah club that rides around with his English Sheep dog in his TR3, quite a site. Always invite what I perceive to be responsible kids to sit in the car if parents are near by. Also have an old Land Rover that gets to a few shows "cool Jeep, Buddy!" Sign on the front says "all kids welcome". They turn every knob and flip every switch, it's virtually indestructible. Lots of fun for all ages. Not sure how I ended up in a TR3, everyone I knew had a different LBC, maybe I was just trying to be different. I still am.... Bill B 1962 TR3B 1967 Morgan 4/4 1968 Land Rover Series 2A Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 5, 2014, at 10:55 PM, "Greg Lemon" wrote: RE: Kids and TRs--My first sports car memory was from when a was about 5 years old give or take I would wake up before everybody else on the weekend and go roam around the neighborhood (different times) One fine morning I happened upon a TR2 or TR3, the shape burned into my little blank slate brain, a cool little car that looked like I could climb in and take it for a spin. It was just around the corner, and I don't remember ever seeing it but that one morning, which was from memory one of those first warm mornings of spring when the air was fresh and clean. Yes, I think the cars leave an impression on kids. RE: Big Dogs and Sports Cars--One of my first jobs was at a place called Foreign Auto Parts, they did service and repairs also, I was a parts runner and clean up guy, anyway, the owner had an Irish Wolfhound that hung out in the shop everyday and went was regularly transported in the owner's daily driver Alfa Spyder, the dogs head stuck out over the windshield and they were quite a site running around town. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1077125803E6 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:53:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0289F2580042 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:52:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id uy5so3415050obc.17 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 05:53:08 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c7D3ZXxbFhtf+o4Lw0rQ4s6pFAgRn1vEZTMvQhi40uw=; b=UCmGGXvraqcBQb9LjsAw4XjEObb1SifHPDTE/TEoJfbbiaHVxOxHua3PqlcsIXn9on 6s3dnfydJOeErnqSz+svoAtRi99dO1e7wt7dfIWo+DeIiLy8MFvsTjISy14JFz6dV6k3 mvLEX9Jw3cXMV5Ypi5hGXWoHv8tmRFWrIPT6UTIvBagNBv1AoCrTU17cwaeWubtvpXti afuDzPngh5Bxgs6nGTdHTxMXYLWSzZhnDXoK54I0VJ6GYQeqC5xfZ4tK9HTnmMPf7PWo M3m8A5cftjQHBPxLcpLdc176zKuHL/8IA3usycV52thaRjlQxfRNDzb/UmUvlkhHkFOZ ZzQA== y4mr25033950oel.44.1404651188220; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 05:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gp4sm74008103obb.17.2014.07.06.05.53.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 06 Jul 2014 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 05:53:06 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53B86042.1030702@gmail.com> <0E3E436A-1DC9-4221-9A98-8BF24A7C23F3@flash.net> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was..again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/5/14, 9:37 PM, Wbeech wrote: > Bill B > 1962 TR3B > 1967 Morgan 4/4 > 1968 Land Rover Series 2A > I've found that the TR3 and Series Land Rover are such different driving experiences that when you switch back and forth depending upon what you are doing and your mood you never get tired of either. But it is the Land Rover that carries the dog and ventures out in the snow. These cars are a great complimentary pair. There was a very recent off topic thread on one of the Land Rover lists about who owns other British cars. It seems a lot of Land Rover owners also own a British car. Mostly TRs & MGs but there is the occasional Morris, Bentley and tiger. I have always been just a little jealous of Morgans. To my mind they are just a little more Triumph like than a TR3. Or should I say just a little closer to my idea of the ideal Triumph than my TR3. No way would I kick a Morgan Super Sport out of my garage. Nice group of cars Bill. TeriAnn 1961 TR3A (built in spring of 1960) 1960 Land Rover Dormobile My only vehicles. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:36 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F0625800B9 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 07:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (mail-ve0-f180.google.com [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16F42580042 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 07:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id jw12so2976017veb.25 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 06:04:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=eanQ3I1j8W3zqv+P7ue0LAObEzYWLIrjaypYNd5B1ao=; b=lqC07RmdAzIhAarqt+fghnOvvRjmEnx+gV3JObIz+HfkYCVn9RpFQ+UPjpLhqxcwQr yJbzr+hCfqbvDKuwWZ8ABKV2E8a9A2m+NNBKqXaNvfbxCLaFoFSj/WMexS8wYqLHL/zT pvtSKnOhqmj9ZzC6RiEUm9kk5syhur3uG5WMAcIYcA38908eDSW986C7oOmYJ3tleK0M sl+/ItSJeG/jLx+zIH8WOLuoBUPkjVk3/LnB+6KmEMbT2+iReJ7eFk1PuZ5/0XS3cVa/ 74yDQ+opppOeBWKrDoXsJbLE6O8CmKDGGUDQ+xCyS7kzR0vjwGOW3SQVIdiGoqKNZT5I KDzw== fi6mr21539205vcb.18.1404651843930; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.133.51 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.133.51 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 From: Randall Zempel To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] so there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO A couple years ago I found myself driving the TR3 up Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. Stopped at a red light with a super exotic supercar to my left. Just as the light changed, a young man with a camera ran into the intersection to our left...and waited for the exotic to move out of the way so he could photo the Triumph. Exotic is in the eye of the beholder and TR3s are a bit rarer in that town than the italian imports. :) RandallZ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B4B2584B28 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:42:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C002580782 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id hr17so2261780lab.18 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OwIhmP7GmmW+Xb43imrE+FnHqqqLAb5shFw5aIcxA/Q=; b=A/OmhX1INxgz1yUkwjUHHRHXD5mOAU8e1JGZVZoEb16fN+jY4zq5HUhnPtO5ukfunN t33pk/PYgshtkDlfn1DLbgx3V6d7rynzE5fsFbrzsUnyZuG0z5Bg3wU6FSWNhPvOLY63 fWJyOqIW37Krzcrh+w+YN1IQkD51WqmUnN7ucAsZwr+emJqMuteH4dJzybIkNkcr+9Sk DMUAsEPZWfJBq/3Eo0DnmO0MD4xCGQm9v6XZ5KNZNspbbkZfIMFaJbJE5pdtbKgrdVbh Ir0UCe54cmkE/tr6eUTQrfBR9M9z3bjM0ChMGXXAWl7XfOtwWQ/JvziYMB1F8u5dG6P8 Xv5w== g4mr18947590lae.47.1404672172785; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.124.67 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:42:52 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:42:52 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Italyfound Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Made it to Minnesota. On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Italyfound wrote: > Is this server down? Email being rejected... > > Alex Manzo > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6AC2584FEA for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F6F2584A84 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:45:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 18:45:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm36.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 18:42:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.215.140] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 18:42:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 18:42:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2014 18:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 62303 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2014 18:42:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404672148; bh=bXZy/W3o+I1XW4Ffkc1RkOIhBGeVb2YUmgFK70TM/zI=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n9lOax8oxrdq6m5GA5ha5sBbWI8t9Ta4IqkNGM4udPDAkaAaZehPfub25nzZzRhKJ4TiHN7D8Q9oCmmW0/nfOauGyMIFS1h0oRVu1hpTwxcqXGx7moW8iUvEV0wq7Hjuk3ETxqu+gmR+77tWQ5Vlz3kEFTi2JRxUZnCMehvaP7A= NHVBktu_98T79XUTTkgx4m6ciajIa_AjgKPRL9Od1RjurejNqfYt4bV0k39J 8STvWXetPBtGnkI5lPo4lteNq1BX6EHD3S6BUBcItUfoDnyjSz_lphEDToO3 IBtJCfMKTImzQb6HGestOE3kfp.1Fvy9NPqhMAiYmG2IaZJuPviChKoKMWAb hbKwqDs8FbmWwFLHut9IausCBmQjzSwXxWtYS._v2H6Sh6Za7n7amE0ABQLr T6YU6mUVh4_Q5oeOhZWosjXpU1ix8NxpwXciofZ9N1YyzK0y3QYJXs4l8jOl wWzGNaJJuNDQRaCcbC3Qw.6oJRoJaAnR5pCRsp7ohYh46CcMhpKT3VVMnqLE podnC_bPgdpvDuJdVyOu6oXT8qJxqThKO4lMevZFGnV3xcet11gtY_2Nkc.o XztXCwa.5GpVe5F9U1aUQJvp.6MccuA4wnK6H1Hc3kGu6OHpZ41gwf25hYnd vHEGy9wYkh6JCfM5gMdrKm_x7irecQXweYoGMEarv66Aby5Z4tzzrjUl462_ 483LNYrZti657Ywiu2H_Aki27fFQbE2feHs3cs1jy0G1DA5LIUmYwdfClzZf 4 Received: from [96.247.4.177] by web141404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 11:42:28 PDT aW4gbXkgY2FzZSBpdCB3YXMgYSB2ZXJ5IHdlYWsgY29pbApmcmFuayAKCgpPbiBTYXR1cmRheSwgSnVseSA1LCAyMDE0IDg6NTMgUE0sIFRlcmlBbm4gSi4gV2FrZW1hbiA8dGp3YWtlbWFuQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6CiAgCgoKR3Jvc2UgamV0cyB0ZW5kIHRvIHN0aWNrLsKgIEkgaGFkIGEgcGFpciBvbiBhbiBNR0JHVC7CoCBUaGV5IGRpZG4ndCBzdGF5IAp0aGVyZSB2ZXJ5IGxvbmcuwqAgSSBzdWdnZXN0IGdvaW5nIGJhY2sgdG8gc3RvY2suCgpUZXJpQW5uCgoKT24gNy81LzE0LCA1OjIzIFBNLCBKZWYBMAEBAQE- References: <53B8C82F.6090301@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 11:42:28 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO in my case it was a very weak coil frank On Saturday, July 5, 2014 8:53 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: Grose jets tend to stick. I had a pair on an MGBGT. They didn't stay there very long. I suggest going back to stock. TeriAnn On 7/5/14, 5:23 PM, Jeff wrote: > I've been trying to get my TR4A on the road before winter sets in again. > I'm having a heck of a time getting my SU HS6 carburetors tuned. I pulled > the floats and checked the fuel in the chamber. They have Grose Jets in > them. Both chambers have fuel about 1/2 way up the bowl. I've done the > tuning on both carbs to where when you lift the piston the engine RPM seems > to rise and fall. The engine runs great, I can rev it with no hesitation > and it seems very smooth. I pulled the plugs and they were normal color. > When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 blocks and it starts > missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are really sooty. > What am I missing? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F86258503A for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:57:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (unknown [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249FE2584A29 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-aaj02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-aaj02.mx.aol.com [172.27.3.206]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 64D0D70000097 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (user-12hdt1j.cable.mindspring.com [69.22.244.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-aaj02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 203E73800008D for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Lawrence Schwartz Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:53:53 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1404680035; bh=h90nGK2J3Fq5z87mlxJKYWU37jk/E7r1NDBBphnHHJ0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=k1g9/6rtlspWBvGrLOt/YxLjT3ev7gyjITCr2t6grSJX36yUIhW/vAe1kV+11RT4b 475tqVthOdt8c4MV3UVTH6OkHFMvhnNYBBlN5co1yoHKJwVJOihcR06hoH1f1griSE kkeyVCq5dj7izzmeII9LtnXMAh4giDPyzZeS/bNs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b03ce53b9b7637353 Subject: [TR] Tr-so there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Today taking a walk in Manhattan a brand new Lamborghini convertible pulls up and stops at a red light. the young male driver driving solo was bleeping the gas pedal at the light thinking he was Kool Moe Zee. Slight changes and he goes to parallel park the car. While doing so he backs the rear wheel into the curb and his head goes down in dismay. Act like a jerk and you pay the price. Larry Schwartz ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD57625850EA for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5972584B15 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PBCk1o0061wfjNsA1BJktx; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 23:18:44 +0000 Received: from PorterOfficePC ([98.202.198.114]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PBJi1o00T2UaxNi8jBJjxg; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 23:18:43 +0000 From: "Jeff" To: "'Randall'" , References: <84.33.04420.EDA98B35@cdptpa-oedge02> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:18:44 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac+Ye0CluWYWr7z3SsyqAJzMG3zYtAAMhtggAAD4v5AALfOfMA== s=q20140121; t=1404688724; bh=udeDpQli6HfO8YTpJoIxNite1MDXrfiwzf/ILy+3Czc=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=H8HAOeAMCe67lX75u26nyRhPdCVM0nerniYkR0tFolbWakCJvq0Ia1dHZb7aKIqzD KmOblTpBCQSwUtcRxQCv0D8eb04TQI5KuJH3hKRhzqQ/7C8RnqwkXr9kIklV5xVVb3 Pq9A1B0ZU3dtzXEfVch8LTZekluShDXg2qNt0WWO29W0fny4gV2I7F0mbM+s+KiwSg REnJmmL8cVTMfzEUtcI4pNpQlA6BjO3Yb2POoObZIpegymuAIHws6IIA1C/zB+Crdx K85Zv+aVizDKkgawWMjJ4cYsQqkB8B9Byi+VAEWeyAGBAuvQE0wvCMgTNVWdgCs6Xm 5I2VanNtur0mQ== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thanks for the input. I'm ordering the viton tip needle. My fuel pump is the stock mechanical pump. Can that put out to much pressure? -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 6:40 PM To: 'Jeff'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes > When I take it for a spin though I can only get about 2 > blocks and it starts > missing badly. I get it home and pull the plugs and they are > really sooty. Others will disagree, I'm sure. But my first step would be to replace the Grose Jets with the proper needle valves. I don't fully understand why, but I've fixed several cars with similar symptoms that way. Or if you happen to have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator installed, try turning it down a bit. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DE125850F2 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:03:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E134C258076C for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.168] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 00:03:41 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.116] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 00:03:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 00:03:41 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404691421; bh=IIExEFQyuOvKfJ6V+CBXL6NfVtJxdgMsAOU1tYQ+GT0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=ZGpaxsJDifw70qhtpIm77JbD5xMTyI9gTMokxypDgUalaAmiGS/PeED3fWkXQJlSwT9zwEiN8gZJyTBAgeJaNgMRcq8huS56CSWDiyVthc+SnFiMCf7yM7axin5jLARddfjEZQPkMFz+7W01Rhk+0gbKsc+Jj9hTuIBP7Ix0Lik= Ycy57QS8HyWyURE.uk1PoSYZ7UTZnSury6uJR8gtQaBgCvGlKaf0HC__rZla 1XWgwomGdgry5LTBdH5f7QQaz25BcU3V1uee0XQfBUgwvinM8UheG9YHKLRA nw_SsD9yhIssmjDgcEt8TBr4LHonpabLATlrROItUdCDrgp7BWYxG6VS8O15 ceqz81x8klMg5Y6Qado8Jt9TeALDew5UAQHvuCyqs7qeFwmWYRS4URQPtws0 uMDcldclDfWonlQ8.hlSIM00qc5SpwTxIgAMw.dqJHzdM.SqiJuSURKepzTG HYZp3nsixy0UQHKukyLCkW00Ma3xLFCKHVfbnxaU40iHB7j0qpHfiNnmNYlg bJOadskUAlEsDHwlolAoLGCbxvYBDzAmG4jgrsANbgEQQ_qY4zb_4VkiNFpE Sc_GLDOcirR_kQ7IabQJ0C9cTsDxiMnQ6kAHvsls4JWy2Ud_7aZdWB72sgcS G3xDfTQQKS4ubwHPSov7xRyPFD8UrE_4Vkv1EW.I- [67.195.15.5]) by smtp111.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Jul 2014 00:03:41 +0000 UTC From: "Vito" To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:03:34 -0500 Thread-Index: AQFwW8fhb+nmUNPWrj8zgfFOiIxAA5xSNFdw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hello guys. I finally sold my transmission and am starting slowly to sell stuff that I have in my way. I had tubing made up years ago for the evaporative pipe on a TR6 (I believe usage was 1972-76). I did it because it had been discontinued. The Moss number is 379-405 and the Roadster Factory is 216009. I still have one box (I hope I don't find another!) of a little more than 300 of them. Does someone want to make me an offer? In total, they are quite heavy and they are 58 inches long so shipping might be a little costly, but I think worth it to a dealer that can resell them. You would be the only source as far as I know. Over time they crack and get brittle. Not sure if other British Marques also used the same tube. I know that on the TR6 there are also other places where a shorter length is required, but this is the long one that goes across the front. -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of triumphs-request@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 1:00 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to triumphs@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to triumphs-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at triumphs-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: so there I was (Randall Zempel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 From: Randall Zempel To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] so there I was Message-ID: A couple years ago I found myself driving the TR3 up Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. Stopped at a red light with a super exotic supercar to my left. Just as the light changed, a young man with a camera ran into the intersection to our left...and waited for the exotic to move out of the way so he could photo the Triumph. Exotic is in the eye of the beholder and TR3s are a bit rarer in that town than the italian imports. :) RandallZ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ------------------------------ End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA79225850FB for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A73258076C for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:20:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140707002025.YRRR6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 20:20:25 -0400 Received: from mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.30]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id PCLR1o0070fnx6C05CLRSY; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:20:25 -0400 Received: from impout001 ([68.114.189.16]) by mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140707002025.CYWB23052.mtaout005.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout001> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:20:25 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.130.82]) by impout001 with charter.net id PCLR1o0041mocag01CLR8u; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:20:25 -0500 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:117 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=1Lr3kex_6jZAS5vEbuIA:9 a=dPBX28DfZS7ZVN2a:21 a=SK1Dd5E_7nea4rnj:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:20:29 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> <53B6B359.9020107@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/4/2014 9:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > Italian V12s don't often roam the streets of Flagstaff. Flagstaff is an > American iron town. The annual downtown car show limits entries to the > first 500 and of those I have yet to see more than 5 British entries and > none of those pesky Italian V12 cars. I just got back from a trip to Florida...in a two-block length, I passed a Land Rover Dealer, a Lotus Dealer, and a combination Jaguar and Maserati dealer. But I still am quite satisfied with my little six-cylinder song. At least until I win the lottery. Then I'll build a bigger garage. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BAF258089F for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCF2258089F for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:26:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20140707002628.ECEH6769.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 20:26:28 -0400 Received: from mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.28]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id PCST1o00C0dCcRg05CSTK4; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:26:28 -0400 Received: from impout003 ([68.114.189.18]) by mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140707002627.CYWS22783.mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout003> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:26:27 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.130.82]) by impout003 with charter.net id PCST1o00C1mocag01CST7j; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 19:26:27 -0500 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:117 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=b2abf44fIFYg5yJT3QEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=1Q6lJS4FzKQA:10 a=H_jndEdtS9oA:10 a=pHgV7TOpNY0A:10 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:26:32 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> <000001cf9854$814c2680$83e47380$@ukpips.org.uk> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/5/2014 9:24 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Some years ago now when out in my 2500PI, I found myself being tailgated by > a 'yuppie' in a BMW. One advantage to driving a clapped-out Triumph is that a simple downshift will dump enough oil on the front of his car to convince him that distance is the better part of valor... --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D6E258511E for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2A258089F for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hy4so3231126vcb.5 for ; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nbXeUfovJiLUZ1cFGicKPXEKTVJjRNe7oqPJY/o7MR8=; b=UXEPOX1ca6c1G9AvF45PcxxxPBStdTdqHtpFmxgnzefk/mnSjW2DE9xI9nPWsiEgO+ VYjNdGrz/fbOnCSbyC7PlqKJA/OwwDSHRMKB/cdZgKEpRS4BhIXXCawsTivbHDj56oDv /I7ZvqPe6xrxgGPJBdu74NcRYYGFG/dwEaVzVj0ywFdsYnyviLfm2q7T4fyXiy63TStn SDYl55FT70xCv9WA5mLJCj60F6OUt+ZHMPOggIj3+Cz2m3ozTDQQAiUBLPycxpb97Cj3 eM3s6RR0bs3u43t3rgkWBB1QXE7arVHLzWsfdUT+ucR1PdHGKYM5hNPOMeeshs0bxcZJ M72A== f16mr24731693veh.23.1404692849226; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) References: <84.33.04420.EDA98B35@cdptpa-oedge02> <5A337D908F0E472FB2CA441F1AF6D965@PorterOfficePC> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:27:29 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeff Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Jeff wrote: > Thanks for the input. I'm ordering the viton tip needle. My fuel pump is > the stock mechanical pump. Can that put out to much pressure? I see no way that could occur. BTW - I've had Grose jets on the TR3A for 30+ years -- one did stick closed once after a long sit years ago, otherwise no issues. I'm not recommending them, just saying they are not always a problem. No harm in replacing them, but my guess is that you have an ignition problem and will still get the miss after the change. Sometimes ignition components fail completely but I have known some to only fail once they warmed up (thinking of coil & condenser here). Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E422584F48 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC744258076C for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8B005DVHI35H40@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:01:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 21:01:09 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jeff , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53B610AE.3010102@gmail.com> <000001cf9854$814c2680$83e47380$@ukpips.org.uk> <53B9E938.5050402@charter.net> Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO BTDT...on purpose as well! My (sorry for the blasphemy here ) MG Midget use to disappear from the garage once in awhile..... ...the wife would take it out and buzz around..... inevitably telling me a story afterwards of how she 'greased some guy' for tailgating her. yes...you could usually SEE the oil spots on their windshield as they attempted to use their wipers as they were backing off. My GT6 was good for that as well...not so much my spit6 though. ptegler On 7/6/2014 8:26 PM, Jeff wrote: > On 7/5/2014 9:24 AM, John Macartney wrote: >> Some years ago now when out in my 2500PI, I found myself being >> tailgated by >> a 'yuppie' in a BMW. > > One advantage to driving a clapped-out Triumph is that a simple > downshift will dump enough oil on the front of his car to convince him > that distance is the better part of valor... > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:37 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772D02584F99 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:47:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2094D258076C for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 19:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D4/FC-28754-A2CF9B35; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 01:47:22 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 18:47:20 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+Ye0CluWYWr7z3SsyqAJzMG3zYtAAMhtggAAD4v5AALfOfMAAG+HkQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A carburetors woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > My fuel pump is > the stock mechanical pump. Can that put out to much pressure? Normally, no. But I have seen pumps that were assembled wrong (spring out of place) do it. And some reproductions seem to just have the wrong spring installed (also causing pressure too high). Wouldn't hurt to hang a fuel pressure gauge on it (most vacuum test gauges will also read fuel pump pressure); but if the Viton valves don't help, I'd take Geo's advice and look at ignition next. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:38 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F312584B15 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 23:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098FA2580912 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2014 23:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 05:24:57 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.240] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 05:24:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2014 05:24:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1404710697; bh=+Im22+irOQ7nsz2wDCgQvlzEGVDQC4mpE4kOQUZvEg8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; b=JyiHU9NF87uV9TUG7k19si3g2g+jNHD6svJWt1RUasOo4EVwfDrtb8xKJGVroO6mJ9CoLuOsPAiJOQrGnJ6M62fKlruLlhO/DdFQIPKIFMSBrA2OAc69QzU1ON3GbjQ3/A2DhVsQ8zvbl6k3eHbmRgfAjbyu2vh0vXiIqasrxxo= 56s3lsx4HhDxPiDZVyY7SgAnW8IVYOC1B.QQA1erA4S.7KkOHlsJqPv15WiP Ev824Ar6XC0rMdkU.C9ovAouxphK4uMpt9QwHFBcDFdBFGzFLg5O929E9K_i Mzhiea8dzpRiSu_uu5QT2uKsn466hsY9rt7kb349fOGfoBddBHIR_y6mnkha nsT5lQSJsLA1lYXiBBk8Qm1488o93wm2ocWYB7SKbVliK30lc.qgnLQWyXya wZsQAtGAwRyfOm3ojUsgPEUV6yjzzIfShOpjRsT4mp8176JK3ULi9r9gAbrK 3b_4VBt2nehFD4CyHP5EUhR92uodHSgnBrTYEYEQPuYUCMQXIpnOYIiWaFeZ o64bvovieZCuw6HkshJVzLASRkNTPRJLaIQTU7TPSkgDc854VOO9Yb897O2d Iz64GZnhkwtoNBfHOqLQYITEWvM7rbNxULKFBYjj4DWmCSljezuId.eO6CT9 wBcDXR5IzoqXvEjR_fDlDhCuSRuU4NzEgNFC.u2zI [98.138.84.52]) by smtp111.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 Jul 2014 22:24:57 -0700 PDT From: "Vito" To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 00:24:52 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+Zo8dlyogI6BdMR42JsIKbbZYKcA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR6 evaporative pipe for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Sorry - this is a repeat post but with an actual edited subject :-) Hello guys. I finally sold my transmission and am starting slowly to sell stuff that I have in my way. I had tubing made up years ago for the evaporative pipe on a TR6 (I believe usage was 1972-76). I did it because it had been discontinued. The Moss number is 379-405 and the Roadster Factory is 216009. I still have one box (I hope I don't find another!) of a little more than 300 of them. Does someone want to make me an offer? In total, they are quite heavy and they are 58 inches long so shipping might be a little costly, but I think worth it to a dealer that can resell them. You would be the only source as far as I know. Over time they crack and get brittle. Not sure if other British Marques also used the same tube. I know that on the TR6 there are also other places where a shorter length is required, but this is the long one that goes across the front. -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of triumphs-request@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 1:00 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to triumphs@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to triumphs-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at triumphs-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: so there I was (Randall Zempel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:04:03 -0700 From: Randall Zempel To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] so there I was Message-ID: A couple years ago I found myself driving the TR3 up Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. Stopped at a red light with a super exotic supercar to my left. Just as the light changed, a young man with a camera ran into the intersection to our left...and waited for the exotic to move out of the way so he could photo the Triumph. Exotic is in the eye of the beholder and TR3s are a bit rarer in that town than the italian imports. :) RandallZ ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ------------------------------ End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8198258051B for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:03:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3BF258049A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:03:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pxp11o0031ap0As5Ey3RRF; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 22:03:25 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Py3R1o00Q2xV5no3iy3RMD; Tue, 08 Jul 2014 22:03:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 22:03:25 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Jeff s=q20140121; t=1404857005; bh=CSID+Bc8TfI3G+q9D7Zufd57th9zS4XVLtFx/CU1EZc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=b9zrQif2iMeAR14beLJLstfA2iaHj0QEVCZghUP0sfBGP2rawxuymN1BkU+7ymNJd LHv/nQQJvV0NhsC1k+TZvJF7Jg3XOibdwpJ2RWfFC5k0WSTazmwTq3ElStlPoSpnMu e3BRuYlrR+nGP3BWDYAp9rIgXea57YhWMC2WsZJhqocT1b5dy4X0277fuj6RzMVP7h 0L6aveL2V8lvss5arH06uq6hHCBzZFSjLgmAJV8/RDgbgT5dGnEPP+ZYfmUc5nu5hX fV9emJjUrz4MgA7YiUKQBvcK5QmJdvIqFuoCDZE1+RLJM0SGiZjfRz5YMc6CXsY4K3 IADuUvMGv6nUA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] So there I was Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > On 7/5/2014 9:24 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Some years ago now when out in my 2500PI, I found myself being tailgated by > a 'yuppie' in a BMW. When the top is down, I've found spitting straight up as I drove in front of a tail gater had good effect. Unfortunately I showed that to my son when he was eight years old. Spitting straight up became more popular than fart jokes. At that point I figgered I'd "bottomed out." Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0DC2580803 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 09:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s2.hotmail.com [65.55.90.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5975F258045D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 09:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT149-W36 ([65.55.90.8]) by SNT004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Wed, 9 Jul 2014 08:21:19 -0700 From: ED To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:21:18 -0400 FILETIME=[6F0950A0:01CF9B89] Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D29B2584BE8 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42772580731 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.74.209]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QHUG1o00U4WwCge01HUTha; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:28:28 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:28:21 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+bml4MjDmS1LE8RRGmlvoZNldRrg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Old British cars - follow-up Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO So... What we have is '30s Rover P2, a Mark Viii or IX Jag, an S-type jag, a Citroen cv, a TR7, a Datsun, an MGB (fairly far gone), a car which looked like a small Morris Minor wagon with all the wood which I was told was a Fiat, and what I thought was an Austin-Healey. The barn was completely dark and the only light I had was from my camera flash. When I got home, I realized it was an MGA ! The family just discovered another barn 3 miles away with 6 more cars, but I'm told they are all American. One son said they'd take $1000 a car, but the other son doesn't agree and wants to hold an auction. I know several of you were interested, so I'll keep you posted (individually). Andrew Uprichard On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: List: I was approached earlier this week by a guy who said there were 70 old British and European cars in a series of barns about an hour from my house in Michigan. Apparently the old guy had died and the family wanted them out of there. As often happens, the story wasn't quite right: the number was more like 20, and the was a mixture of British, European and US cars. The only TR was a TR7 which looked to be in good condition. There were two Jaguars, both 4-door sedans, one with a British "F" registration (1967) and the other looked to be much earlier. Both had new interiors and minimal rust. There was also a Rover which I would guess was from the 40s or 50s. The only car which interested me was an Austin-Healey 3000 which I made an offer on. The family asked me to see if I could help them sell the cars as no-one is interested in eBay or Craigslist at this point. I realize this is a Triumph list, but if anyone is interested or knows someone who might be, I took lots of pictures and can be contacted off-list. Mark: if you want to forward this to any other lists, please do so. Since I am having some difficulties with this list (especially when I post), could someone let me know if this message does make it out to the rest of you? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4E02585182 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1726D2580735 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.207]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 80459702B42E5 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.205]) by mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 21A2F38000082 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m280.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.234) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Jul 2014 13:45:41 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1404927942; bh=yu0qCowD25VIt4jNbvA5i3KW4RvnTUstdPMjfqjhpUk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mW5VhLBfZ/H3YJDyZOqI67mwnqlJakjgOMwOIl6gyCxYoX8oBTG66Hw5S35lBQSFF f41eBgKbryg0XR+R3lOYtqYQxl42rAJFRzHG3hY9RSvm8jhDqJTCBv+aruCVeAUBBN 38F1VCZ6giY9EM6Q69h+56EeW/ELtG2HDizWMBm4= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:45:42 -0400 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1addcf53bd7fc6653a Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Run, don't walk, away from this conversion. This puts the shock loading onto the inner wheel well which was not designed for this loading. Instead use something like this: http://www.victoriabritish.com/features/t6/t6sh5.htm This bracket puts the shock absorber loading directly onto the frame mount for the lever shock. I've had this conversion on my car for 10+ years and I love it. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ED To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:21 am Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CCBB2580749 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:12:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619732580731 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:43360] helo=cdptpa-web04) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 1A/37-11986-5168DB35; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:12:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 18:12:37 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 18:12:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ---- Dave wrote: > Run, don't walk, away from this conversion. This puts the shock > loading onto the inner wheel well which was not designed for this > loading. I believe you are thinking of a different conversion. The "Blind Moose" conversion is the one that Herman van den Akker designed and installed on his own TR250. It only attaches to the original shock mount. http://www.blindmoosefab.com/rear_shock.htm BTW, the original shock mount wasn't really designed for the load that a tube shock puts on it either. I've heard many reports of it breaking. So some reinforcement is probably a good idea. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDFC2585785 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:13:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B122580731 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.110]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 844FD702A8CD0; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 06D3938000088; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:13:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:13:16 -0500 To: "emorat1@hotmail.com" x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1404929598; bh=1qjWwVRQIEuP6my01DLHPOzVo0VW/GknI/4z4n0a8ms=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=QwXi/3akk7yX9TRpdJPfBsv+T0PttSRILQCeygB01IM2zoJiW0EHsp31R6qTcqy93 6RFcP0RGmtEOEbb1AlkQNTt6xH/LgbrFal43nENNEjUF8NB8I1t50yVORSyffpkn4I LyhoiI6g43dZ58+BTQcgzpNMHZl18Md5m7ucUsNc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe6e53bd863e419a Cc: Listserv Triumph Subject: [TR] Tube Shocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO One way to go is the RATCO conversion. It has a crossover tube that stabilizes the assembly. We did it on our race car. The assembly was easy and it withstands extreme rigors of racing. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532F2258578B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877212580749 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTP id <0N8G004RQINLOT70@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) with ESMTP id <0N8G00LVXIO3SM60@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com>; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:14:27 +0000 (GMT) To: Dave From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:14:27 +0000 (GMT) aEQpYTRdLEQptfhcaEQpMWRcbGhsbEQpZSRcRClleF2hueREKQ04XSxsZGmJCH2lhGEd+GXhzB xwTGxIbHnwZEQpFQxcWT05OExsZSUwHGk8bTwceGhJIB0gdSxwHTxtJGh4YTBxOGxsZakdPBEl FRxQRClhcFxkEGgQbHgdNThwTGhodEwUbHQQbHRgEEhkEGxIQGx4aHxsRCl5ZF2ESU1lDEQpDW hcbHQQbHRgEGBgaBBgeHREKQl4XGxEKRFgXGBEKREkXGxEKQkYXZWhwR11yaRNLHUkRCkJFF2l uQXNtH0NpfnBcEQpCThdoRkJAH0h5HUcfZBEKQkwXbx5ke1pBSXITR2MRCkJsF2dOaxlLZFxPb BJBEQpCQBdpRGl/bk8Zf01lQxEKcGcXZ2F8fV8bTAFdGl0RCnBoF2hEblNiUxN5RmxCEQpwaBd vbWV8bl9vWHlQYhEKcGgXbWlAZlpFcmldHlMRCnBoF29OT25fHBhubnBjEQpwaBdoGmN5RE17Q ntbHxEKcH8XZ3Jfe24SYEwbWF0RCnBfF2h+ZR1eQxkcE3sYEQpwfxdkUhJeTEQfR3xQbxEKcF8 XbX9IWR1QT2FNQGkRCnBnF2NiZkhsS1pjXHB6EQpwZxdgYh4ZGm9SU2BvGREKcH8XYX8faGMTf 1JpaEkRCnBfF29THm5ffRJueUF8EQpwXxd6EmNHTQVHQ2IBWREKcF8XYlpoGF9MTGMYS3kRCnB fF29wQVxYckhtXmkFEQpwZxdgXn9FWxlpT2saUBEKcGcXZWh6e0RpUmYFR3oRCnBsF2sbEhJLH VJHTUN7EQpwQxdvQ1oYXQVpXx9vSRE= engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-09_05:2014-07-09,2014-07-09,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407090221 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Actually, I think the Blind Moose kit mounts just like that one. I have it on my TR4A, and it has been fine, but I also don't put a lot of miles on it. Bob Danielson has some pages on it, and a secondary brace that can be added: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BlindMoose2.htm -Darrell On Jul 09, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Dave wrote: Run, don't walk, away from this conversion. This puts the shock loading onto the inner wheel well which was not designed for this loading. Instead use something like this: http://www.victoriabritish.com/features/t6/t6sh5.htm This bracket puts the shock absorber loading directly onto the frame mount for the lever shock. I've had this conversion on my car for 10+ years and I love it. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ED To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:21 am Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: dave1massey@cs.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1masse y@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums darrellw360@mac.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw3 60@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1A72585701 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from relay2.netinteraction.com (relay2.netinteraction.com [209.114.36.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92DA258074E for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:31:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com (mx2.netinteraction.com [174.143.201.144]) by relay2.netinteraction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E601D1CE; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTP id AFE32113CCF2; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netinteraction.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx2.netinteraction.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEbcG2gChoFl; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com (75-128-248-219.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com [75.128.248.219]) by mx2.netinteraction.com (iRedMail) with ESMTPA id 1635E113CCF0; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 13:31:26 -0500 To: ED , "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Peter Caldwell References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Lever shocks can be made better than the originals. Peter C = At 10:21 AM 7/9/2014, ED wrote: >All, > >I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks >on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice >of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' >kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. > >Regards, > >Ed Morat >1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42996258074E for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:45:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1270258074E for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:45:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.139.131]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MNZkg-1WyuRy0bdK-007Txb; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 14:45:19 -0400 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "ED" , References: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:45:23 -0400 gaHwpKelBAoSUnxjv18tWMk/6FztDeR3iH7DwzG3IOHfbW2ShK adknNLkB3qiq4BDKaOX+EWKDeiz1RhTOF4AFuK8wQ39Viyq3Ui QpjpoQJ8Yt5h7SOWbB8xIDfZF61tac6MDkrV14h6Z6E0TQZw+p qx7UFMS96wnjgJstHdEh56g8ocLv+foNgWZzumxShAFYvyg30Y qL24OUkM9+QwIicBXkvq/5aHTP5OsDC2D2Nmxjt73PWS+GZSMn eYGs1eVDMZEXQnqKm6OX16Gm2kXIDvn05V2A9kHWco9Y9KBzTk QVuElijsuKHC+JMnBUwPsLpePJjawc1qHua8ci7UB Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO As Randall pointed out, Herman developed the kit and now it's sold under the blind moose name. Herman told me that when it first came out, the auto-x guys were using it and breaking the mount point so he came up with the brace that I then put on my car. He also told me that once the auto-x guys installed the brace he never heard of another mount breaking. My gut tells me that there's a lot of "bad" lever shock mounts out there that were destined to break at some point and this conversion just helped it along. If you do the Blind Moose kit, you have to do the bracket. I've had it on the car for about 6 years now with no problems. I do check the mounts every year and they still look solid. The write up is here http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BlindMoose.htm Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: ED Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 11:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B267258575B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10966258075B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id QKPg1o00b5SgtPc01KPgl1; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 12:23:41 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:22:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO many people feel that by upgrading to the stiffer valve on lever shocks you are better off. there is a great company that gives you that option when they swap out shocks with you (they send you the new ones, with a return box). http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg -----Original Message----- From: ED Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BCED258576B for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:39:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487C92580749 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 13:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QBw81o0060EZKEL59KeepV; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 19:38:38 +0000 Received: from JohnPC ([71.234.183.19]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id QKed1o00E0RXaVT3MKeejj; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 19:38:38 +0000 From: "John Cohen" To: "'ED'" , Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:38:35 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+brVxVdqo36+X0T4S2T6XmW5xMhw== Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1404934718; bh=ITGBfw2rFchUOJ7CEcZK/uD/ryzTbNShRGuRK7fGlGk=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=DMTxurwfHs8HH3T/HGW6XBD85260ccyf5Neiip032C1bDyyX/dj8gxL2qetke9Cl6 iHpS0i3DpWjiQSCeYMqO/WtQQuuHKr2XpOOrsO6ZWdq2HbwLBOy2IbX6MI/a/39IbD Ld49Kn3+eZLDkA5aFwOgTpss+KwK7LFkOW3uGPpbF5yBAqqLXu5vObXExcfpNoNIFb 1GfZHdlcuaqBUCknCyADSnwbBVR4hexiUl9ysqvvid7ihjQzbBuCEJDCHIYiu+1xm3 eoYsCgxdu27esBsiFwiwr4aOF2AqOc3Lokf4ZYz5y8RNwga2pd7MSWJ53D/zUjq8Vo MB4nDGJiKXr8A== Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Ed, Switching to the Blind Moose conversion and adjustable SPAX shocks was one of the first things I did to my 76 TR6 and the improvement in handling was dramatic. Now to be fair, the lever shocks that I took off were probably shot. After having the conversion on for about 5 years, I noticed the cracking in the mounts and had everything reinforced, welded up and then I added the recommended bracing. Not one problem since, I still believe it is one of the best upgrades I have made to the car. John Cohen All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D76925857E8 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:45:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1460C25806A5 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [72.188.40.200] ([72.188.40.200:61558] helo=[192.168.1.14]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 0F/5B-23385-718BDB35; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 21:45:59 +0000 From: Joe Burlein Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:46:00 -0400 References: <70F67D5EEF24404E9E5DE668A4F1ACA7@Ranteer.local> To: dave n Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I had Apple rebuild my lever arms to stiffer spec years ago. They came back looking new and have performed flawlessly. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 9, 2014, at 15:22, "dave n" wrote: > > many people feel that by upgrading to the stiffer valve on lever shocks you are better off. > > there is a great company that gives you that option when they swap out shocks with you (they send you the new ones, with a return box). > > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/ShockRec.jpg > > > -----Original Message----- From: ED > Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:21 AM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion > > All, > > I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks > on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice > of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' > kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. > > Regards, > > Ed Morat > 1973 TR6 > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/floridatr6@cfl.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EEB25857F0 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:57:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04422580750 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:51:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.99]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 18A0C70001D54; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.205]) by mtaomg-aaf01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D8E1D38000081; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:52:10 -0400 (EDT) References: <20140709181237.YTVQ2.36839.root@cdptpa-web04> To: tr3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va035.sysops.aol.com (149.174.100.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Jul 2014 17:52:09 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1404942731; bh=Y2OzXrJb6z8VGY/WeS35h4SiWzu/qlNmDRakRhCOdhA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eI9+5/ZJfgYc2fg97d9KQwG0XO4JguSkcRK34h1b7aigKz7KMgAY6FYnA2xs5Aifg +HTY8Ca5bvkLCiZ9YiekuFTyXGYXaTwd3ulK0egt2LNC2LN3yCS2+GVyy5lm0gFF5m p7w9QTuSAFkGfYgi9pDmue2QY9abI1CkEfTVfpAE= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:52:10 -0400 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7f6353bdb98a062c Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Sorry, this is the first site I saw when I googled it: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BlindMoose.htm I didn't read all the text. Herman's kit, like the one I linked to, is the way to go if you want to go tube conversion. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 1:12 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion ---- Dave wrote: > Run, don't walk, away from this conversion. This puts the shock > loading onto the inner wheel well which was not designed for this > loading. I believe you are thinking of a different conversion. The "Blind Moose" conversion is the one that Herman van den Akker designed and installed on his own TR250. It only attaches to the original shock mount. http://www.blindmoosefab.com/rear_shock.htm BTW, the original shock mount wasn't really designed for the load that a tube shock puts on it either. I've heard many reports of it breaking. So some reinforcement is probably a good idea. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:40 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22182258586D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:58:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE2D2580750 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.208]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2E5147000008C; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.205]) by mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD64D38000082; Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:55:40 -0400 (EDT) References: To: darrellw360@mac.com Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va035.sysops.aol.com (149.174.100.78) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 09 Jul 2014 17:55:40 -0400 From: Dave x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1404942941; bh=vndOTM66Ura7NEpgA3NBjujtOZOZGPtvgh+cs7n+8nM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FWDKvuGzYqC+jZDlB0E3cZKyYhXz/Nf4qWnjyS02f5chI7W6cxk0RUd/uaSe32FyV fUE8bESqs8hlYsqhvhd59W/Xfz9qj9JUqD/pc7IRmO64b32VskkmKAjVHu8H/9+iru 8uXoxFCJTH/lCIIbCC8WpkfxdYx5sRvPTOk9fL3s= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 17:55:40 -0400 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1aded053bdba5c015a Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO My first kit was like that. There were three pieces on each side. A bracket in the wheel well, a bracket on the inside the tub and a third that bolted to the shock mount on the frame. Aside from the 16 holes needed in the coachwork and getting things aligned properly, the tires rubbed. Too soon old, too late smart. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Darrell Walker To: Dave Cc: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion Actually, I think the Blind Moose kit mounts just like that one. B I have it on my TR4A, and it has been fine, but I also don't put a lot of miles on it. Bob Danielson has some pages on it, and a secondary brace that can be added: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BlindMoose2.htm -Darrell On Jul 09, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Dave wrote: Run, don't walk, away from this conversion. This puts the shock loading onto the inner wheel well which was not designed for this loading. Instead use something like this: http://www.victoriabritish.com/features/t6/t6sh5.htm This bracket puts the shock absorber loading directly onto the frame mount for the lever shock. I've had this conversion on my car for 10+ years and I love it. Dave -----Original Message----- From: ED To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Jul 9, 2014 10:21 am Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversion All, I know that there has been previous discussions on converting to tube shocks on the TR6, however, I have lost the previous emails and would like the advice of the group regarding converting and in particular using the 'Blind Moose' kit. It seems to me that it would tear loose at the mount points. Regards, Ed Morat 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive dave1massey@cs.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1m assey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive darrellw360@mac.com'>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darre llw360@mac.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E3258454B for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A092580BC2 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:21:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id cc10so1183701wib.6 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:21:59 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=fJOzcLNRBlU56apuYEQn6A9SPRmNg0iq6QfBv8qjSD0=; b=Gv+qAAetoSLjDqVjJl6zEEqkVhF9GjS0AbZnq7zBB6RoxHiEEhupmEIzFomOS7YLEf 3Yu9grasFReCsM544tDWQ6l7Zix3Iy/5M6KjnSanHkhN5RGOQkbUvxWniLzh2v/Pg/Ub UbOHdKxLB3UH7miL4dYWh9WhIUH5KSwZBFg2FlNeuf5oeA9MbKaFsqtPsPK2sGKGRaEc mP8Ypz5Yt+27NaYuCdwcOl1ZkCjwiDneE1ppmi26c7OY2iZhGO3uVSXn7ywj9RzAaIUA 5vd+8uMh7dyQ/pOt1qZQsHTL7gyvoDU6duHMGMq3PY7cAJManiBp2XGqbMe16DNp2e9f 1o/A== ht10mr66017455wjb.72.1405077717985; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nc19sm6406043wic.4.2014.07.11.04.21.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "*Triumphs List" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:20:47 +0200 Subject: [TR] Could it be rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hello all.... Need some input on a problem with my '59 TR3A. Two years ago #3 cylinder went along with the rings. Replaced the cylinder with original brand and rings. Everything was fine....engine ran well. The car has about 1500 miles on it since the repair. Last week developed a major rough idle. Today pulled the plugs and for the most part they were fouled. This is uncommon for this car as it runs rich. Cleaned all the plugs reset points and plugs and started the car. Fired right up...ran like a kitten for about 3 minutes.....when it started running rough again. Pulled #3 plug and it was black. What I noticed was fumes coming out of the plug hole. Prior to this I had to try and adjust the old type plug wire for this cylinder as it appeared loose and I thought it was causing a misfire. I am suspecting a few issues here. 1.. #3 cylinder plug wire is causing a misfire where combustion is not complete and when the plug is removed the fumes are a result of not firing. 2.. The rings are gone and or both the rings and cylinder... Any input appreciated! Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55732584572 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.97]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE39B258069D for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 05:52:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 11:53:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.174] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 11:53:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1085.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 11:53:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 58708 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2014 11:53:08 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405079588; bh=5rgMNArlzccU0ZTTsPNjI5fm/x0ZJ2EYqtGon7YD7ts=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZybHgBOxkSoDXZZyW0LVU/Tq55AhQsjWL3ReyHXXCS5ZBNYETuaeazYgBezKCjrDBrnwcPWyQrs1A91HRohiXiAq1C2ZWPuK92j9oXRKiMonGeN578iTMEnjwSh6vvYtsOCxlPob/ngXHPmIw5Kfvs7ipkn3uI5BgzbI5VjSyD0= Zc6v.GC5Rsyc0QORQ.CMQmNeCqHjz.6lIXZwtuiNY2kTkJfcms7qBUmHN35P asrKj0nmqK8ENycnZAPf.zNPetynnybozdXlz.lBGEFh2to4sv1E8w0LXGlF XeO9fwNlWEPXfplL_EWmtdAkuYNnMu4.E4.lHmr.iPhoDJ3QQJLHHHsEms2B .pZ14r0o4vpKfMnjmSqrALNW98TBcB7ckcBZO_s_ym04r.hslQufa62dj06z lq5IkxEUzxHqZYq1Z6x8Ll2FngCmaV4NU7sQNXRKqTMsPIxmzMriujb7wwWd L95za0dhAlU3p08TkoZidu_r1JKLJuZ74Win0pioUu6cSM1PQ3U7hBDBYSLF G1.Tgx86KOJQKzccpDi75ycbJEcHoUETDYuptgm0XBtF0a97kUpSoqaPskXi PXJM3DU9BrR2C97KQFFNwAYRtx_jJv5p.L1aPIT4qhJv7.T_y18VxK_TPjU9 sMLYxRzKe8j2OrHZ4uuK_.oi6pNaeeB6PyVv.V38BCkLkxELJGA-- Received: from [96.243.34.43] by web120402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:53:07 PDT SGkgTGlzdCHCoApJIGhhdmUgdGhpcyBzZXQgdXAgKEJsaW5kIE1vb3NlIHN0eWxlKSAmIEknbSB3aWxsaW5nIHRvIHNlbGwgaXQgV0lUSCB0aGUgU3BheCBzaG9ja3MgZm9yIGEgdmVyeSBsb3cgcHJpY2Ugb2Y6ICQxMjAuMDAgUGx1cyB5b3UgcGF5IHNoaXBwaW5nLiBteSB6aXAgY29kZSBpczogMTQyMTQgaWYgeW91IHdhbnQgdG8gZ2V0IGFuIGlkZWEgb2Ygc2hpcHBpbmcgY29zdHMuCgpDb250YWN0IG1lIGlmIGludGVyZXN0ZWQuCi1Db3NtbyBLcmFtZXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 04:53:07 -0700 From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] blind moose sshocks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi List! I have this set up (Blind Moose style) & I'm willing to sell it WITH the Spax shocks for a very low price of: $120.00 Plus you pay shipping. my zip code is: 14214 if you want to get an idea of shipping costs. Contact me if interested. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC87258456D for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E732580458 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 14:18:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.98] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 14:18:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 14:18:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405088305; bh=4R3CVVKczfB3OEuTGaCb/Qg1PM9KjN8heULIt4CnYSY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=JfbOsy8EPYUfeoXit/DCij0f37Xc7ATcnMvtAy/99OJUC7yP2MZXqGbA2xJ3Fixg8Ich3x0XxnRqixIESHEI/PA+D7qFgRxwWB9OMpqMOp8JbJD3b963q1rJYwFP9tZuA8d+7eVPKLlL8+fyI4noPJ5O51pYo5L39FDenPQ4SGU= BFkOhplrUGWAVe_ykTvoaFp3H6V3f5G50GWET.Sp783hEkdAjooH3meWiO8k xUnStpQ4PHh069Ggu0gKlYGaVTg2TICBqHlgjbgEJtlge2kkvztdWPOBHGhn _XRWmgxWuM4NaP4ARTUG_X_FvgAjCHS3RwK_OpgJLQj1N3b63AE7BmcDvio4 4UIbTUWt9BNYfh9djgOTNC81lcjyBvA5RGrxuDpawkM54cJeqzvo_EDIrr8P lJpbwY3PtkSTPtup5aA3lTMQ6gIyf.WicDIq_0dQjVl9h1ebwEcIgHYpg4su SSyAkL8BOhwPdhe4Vx5P9XYcozKTgY_lVpT90xZGQCiO56i0BYVRKvsA5Xu0 PlDOUkCck.C_VzWQHuHbL_9USyUCgQJ4d84d_iYIhBr8RNapYj_3dSE2NmDj MPwoUQT4ShWr3j0L6QIeCskN3k0aeWpgzTCut27GDyP.LWj7S6.URA835qSf SR24NXHAs482u.9IYJ.V0Mee4Zfsv9p6drd0vZ7QYB3W543E1n2kosEwi3sU 1VFkakS9t_E_8k4t_neY38Iwhf.RXL960vm4A [98.138.31.74]) by smtp118.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2014 14:18:25 +0000 UTC References: <0FF7ECD8F8724C92B86F4A8A6040A95A@AlexPC> From: Wbeech Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:18:23 -0500 To: Italyfound Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Could it be rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO First thing, check the compression to see if all cylinders are within 10-15 lbs of each other(highest to lowest). If #3 is good and you suspect the wire, replace it and see what happens. If you don't have a new set just swap the wire with a known good cylinder. If you don't have a good bead cleaner for the plugs, put in a new set. Good luck, I hope it's just the wire! Bill B 1862 TR3 Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:20 AM, "Italyfound" wrote: Hello all.... Need some input on a problem with my '59 TR3A. Two years ago #3 cylinder went along with the rings. Replaced the cylinder with original brand and rings. Everything was fine....engine ran well. The car has about 1500 miles on it since the repair. Last week developed a major rough idle. Today pulled the plugs and for the most part they were fouled. This is uncommon for this car as it runs rich. Cleaned all the plugs reset points and plugs and started the car. Fired right up...ran like a kitten for about 3 minutes.....when it started running rough again. Pulled #3 plug and it was black. What I noticed was fumes coming out of the plug hole. Prior to this I had to try and adjust the old type plug wire for this cylinder as it appeared loose and I thought it was causing a misfire. I am suspecting a few issues here. 1.. #3 cylinder plug wire is causing a misfire where combustion is not complete and when the plug is removed the fumes are a result of not firing. 2.. The rings are gone and or both the rings and cylinder... Any input appreciated! Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2082584581 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:54:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-06-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091F825803E6 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 08:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id R2s31o0012Y8iQZ012s3zT; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:52:03 -0700 Received: (qmail 13054 invoked by uid 99); 11 Jul 2014 14:52:03 -0000 To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: dave@ranteer.com Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:52:03 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI Subject: [TR] TR3 seat tracks etc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Getting ready to install the full interior kit on a 57 smallmouth. The interior kit was ordered from TRF years ago. There is no hardware (nuts, bolts, and screws). It looks to me, from the moss catalog, that I need 16 of 323-580 for the doors. Then I need 8 bolts for the seat tracks. Can anyone tell me the correct size/length and if I should put in washers or lock washers? These don't show so I'm looking for best practice here. I can easily measure the size but I'm particularly concerned about length and if I should use washers. The moss pages are not helpful. Thank you! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29837258460D for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:09:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E23C25809EC for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.160] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 15:06:04 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.158] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 15:06:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2014 15:06:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405091164; bh=ci2B5VJeQFDF97Kes8/0808AuXQikM/LdW+W1TphdIw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=agtXYUU2zbeo2vAb7fu01ua895LtIPW/wFNw0KKAQ5+PLweHi3zyH9tniguxImsimqgqL4FVAFNrCvwc9xfX+59v9YgSkNfV+tvGyz87VlUfeXTj62T6wynI25G0NYDB2fkC/pBNHzR+YZtVLBNwy/EKGXWZT1s0gnDmQr4n/3s= d_fdob0KHeDQHaMCV9PZ.IdI99tdQBSTO.lEVM95PfE0g7493sdjKVYqjOqS 2oeoZvDGvC_JAJQ9eQGcx02MbdEewsByWzYm1vrLfhC2EsT8QAz.oU6ogUnf WArl5QPOuTaoKIMFmwus6jRCnjrY27fFujn4t2VB2ONnoMpjewHHicG5pzxf x3ZDx9scZDVXYXuOo8M163BDB4OYMj1LAQ.SqfTcOKvdIpmChQXGGJIZsOgW H9HQXCh_AlEVP0z1yF0Qyg_fvRTsgDFIItpKNjCG6d3qEuI7GHQL1jLLxRRG inel1UX31i6HS973pNKYgztmvSrKCBJ.LHlB01udew0tLIKcBezbV5e5._AV dZo66Dxb2b.AtiOO36.V68K96xNP3ACJ_XzPUiXZrLa8qKfbaDalOs2kxSY3 onglyQ8iWucktN.jeZsWJepWBI9ZenDh9c1rEx3VkPxi8Yfck9wPTIinv.pU 2r7v_DtN8hKp7Mlgj0fJgoGQWOVFwW2BQJi5BVJIOIGR8I837.kL.rUo5NjQ z7XQqSbqyTswMc44OGU6Ul3tha3d28ea4qg-- [98.139.221.42]) by smtp118.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2014 15:06:04 +0000 UTC References: <20140711075203.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.e620ec1ee7.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> From: Wbeech Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 10:06:03 -0500 To: "dave@ranteer.com" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 seat tracks etc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I used washers and lock washers for the seats, just lock washers for the tracks on mine. ISTR 1/4-28x3/4" did the job. Doors take 3/4" #4 stainless slotted sheet metal screw and cup washer. Take great care with your drill going though the panel, if you have a small punch that would be good. Sent from mobile Bill On Jul 11, 2014, at 9:52 AM, dave@ranteer.com wrote: Getting ready to install the full interior kit on a 57 smallmouth. The interior kit was ordered from TRF years ago. There is no hardware (nuts, bolts, and screws). It looks to me, from the moss catalog, that I need 16 of 323-580 for the doors. Then I need 8 bolts for the seat tracks. Can anyone tell me the correct size/length and if I should put in washers or lock washers? These don't show so I'm looking for best practice here. I can easily measure the size but I'm particularly concerned about length and if I should use washers. The moss pages are not helpful. Thank you! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037BA2584578 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:33:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9612580782 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B18A31C015F for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:33:26 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Strange TR3 OD issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hello all I am having a very odd problem with my TR3 OD. I will start from the beginning. The box is a TR3 OD with no syncro into first. It was rebuilt by John Esposito at Quantum Mechanics about 4 years ago. Last summer, I was having difficulty getting the OD engaged. I would have to sit with my foot off the accelerator for 5-10 seconds before it would engage. At the end of the summer, it started leaking copious amounts of oil (like a quart every 50 miles or so). I decided this needed to be sorted out this summer. We pulled the transmission and I took it to John to work on while I waited (he was very good about making an appointment to do this). He disassembled everything, put in all new gaskets and seals, and ran it up to check it. He found the pressure was a bit low and put shims in to bring the pressure up and all seemed OK. I brought it home, we put the transmission back in the car and now it will go right in to OD. The problem is, when you get to about 3K RPM it will pop out. If you leave the overdrive switch engaged, it will pop back in when the RPM drop to about 3.6K. The really odd thing is that this ONLY happens in third and fourth. It works perfectly in second. I have tried to get it to pop out in second using everything I could think of and it would not. If I drive it for a while, the RPM it will pop out of OD will decrease e.g. it will pop out at 2.7K and back in at 3.2K. It no longer leaks oil and is full ( I just checked it again.) I am using straight 30 weight oil as recommended by John Esposito. The only thing I can think of that is common to third and fourth is that they use the same lockout switch, but I don't know why it would pop out at a particular RPM EVERY time. Any ideas? TIA Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:41 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE142584582 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD9B2580782 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:53:20 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:28835] helo=cdptpa-web04) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id E4/74-11986-F0780C35; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:53:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 0:53:35 +0000 From: Randall To: Alexander Delis , Triumph List Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:53:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Strange TR3 OD issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > The only thing I can think of that is common to third and fourth is that they > use the same lockout switch, but I don't know why it would pop out at a > particular RPM EVERY time. Vibration sensitive? Probably my first step would be to connect a voltmeter/DMM to the OD relay, and take a test ride. If it shows that the relay drops out when the OD does, you know it's an electrical issue. Then change the connection so you can see the lockout switch at work. Again, if it drops out when the OD does, you've found your culprit. Might not be the switch, but the wires/connections to it. One of the Stags would drop out for no apparent reason (although it was much more random) and it turned out that the quick connect to the solenoid was very slightly loose. Not loose enough to fall off, but loose enough to sometimes lose contact. So, if the above test does show the relay is not being grounded through the lockout switch, the next test might be to remove the tunnel and repeat the experiment with the meter connected directly to the terminals on the switch. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AD72584573 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:27:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0C258032A for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so1830956wes.1 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 03:27:17 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=B2XJ6lRybwTvEHQTKDSStYlHiZ3Du/kq7qbVmXnZbWQ=; b=RGnCBO6ioKX3WMS5AYUl7eRqUBilyQHBMU0WpERLueBzkejsoQXrcEbnWCgcj7XIao zmHYb+CtKi2J430rEmd62gbW563B5UMq31Ck+tGe4U1Ki+7vrVgNe7O7wsDK0vvZPUDJ 2X2fBuBNf6B0d3GS2dcom/c+7f2PbpxNb8NJmgpuNOZWJvhb+ltfzVQK9lWle/2rKS8P h7o4xPNcw8pAWfQdbNjkWxNCttWLK+/V2O3plwA7/4+gNKgnv00vp4xJzILofdXU9z5V dwZ4Q1VvUg0bRvPcTh2VW1HDANAUUAB5/Ii8IBTjv+27/bVXPndx5xm5KCHLulRbySPb 1i3A== i4mr6203656wjs.50.1405160837076; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 03:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hi2sm10944681wjb.29.2014.07.12.03.27.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Jul 2014 03:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "*Triumphs List" Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:26:01 +0200 Subject: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Well thank you all who responded...... Here's the results of the compression test on my '59 TR3A... ...As you may remember my thinking was rings or wires causing the problem......... Compression test......... #1 cylinder.....................178 psi #2 cylinder.....................180 psi #3 cylinder.....................180 psi #4 cylinder.....................178 psi ..so next test is to replace the bumble bee wires with new ignition wires. The problem here is ordering replacement wires from the UK for here in Italy will take about 10 days. My TR3A has the side entrance cap. So I will purchase appropriate length wires and cut the end off to insert into the hole in the cap. Stay tuned.... thx again... Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE4A25845D4 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:54:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38BF2580342 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 06:53:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.89]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQbB1o0031vXlb85EQuEvG; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:54:14 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta17.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RQuE1o00C2ymm843dQuEYE; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:54:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:54:14 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Italyfound s=q20140121; t=1405169654; bh=xbJzlJJ7YrQ3XrBRKJ6PS9Di4Y3E7gxD0rZLTywWsC0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BUXisGZElm3vYwwH3kyAcKvqCtUj0tofc+ol74uMXshmtLB1kAHs6KTldsrb33iv+ 4hf+FneiMc7eL9HJ7grvn+8b2n/lZJKX9Ya2740VNz2c2VU73akHAb1Qc1Wp2lA9s/ lTq66FrPdAj+uvM+tlZigaJn2Ch6mYp8sqTZV2NETewgwTNp4DvELawc8kGQoGdROx 2veKntvJ3uKZ16HzSJmOc66fgbo/7EWG8fmhUK7EOdseNw1yXLiMO3woxrIMKMCYBs nujQYPBX/dzDGKJg/a+EZcu8WD/pUp0hgdJBiStFkA2cXs+QArv6V7jHRuHoAjabva 2DFsmIPuMDtOA== Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO >so next test is to replace the bumble bee wires with new ignition wires. Hi, Alex. Yes, looks like your compression is good. And you say when you first looked at the plugs and cleaned them, when you restarted the car it purred for a few minutes before going rough again. Definitely sounds electrical. If your current spark plug wires are copper core, then the ends can get corroded, especially an issue if you have the screw-in terminals on your cap. You could try snipping the wire off a bit, peel it back and reseat the wire. If you're careful, you can reuse the connectors for the spark plugs. I would also check to ensure that your coil wire is solidly seated. More usually, ignition problems are with the points/condensor/rotor and cap. Can't remember if you've done a full tune up in a while. Have fun! Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673A32584573 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 07:07:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2842580342 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 07:06:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8L00A55OEEFR90@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:06:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:05:56 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Italyfound , *Triumphs List References: <25A82D6A7AFD482B8C7F94FF0835D938@AlexPC> Subject: Re: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Is that a 'dry' compression test? (with carbs wedged open) You should do a 'wet' compression test as well to validate the real condition of your rings. The relative consistency of your readings is a good sign, but both a dry and wet comp test is always the best way to validate rings. ptegler On 7/12/2014 6:26 AM, Italyfound wrote: > Well thank you all who responded...... > > Here's the results of the compression test on my '59 TR3A... > > ...As you may remember my thinking was rings or wires causing the > problem......... > > Compression test......... > > #1 cylinder.....................178 psi > #2 cylinder.....................180 psi > #3 cylinder.....................180 psi > #4 cylinder.....................178 psi > > ..so next test is to replace the bumble bee wires with new ignition wires. > The problem here is ordering replacement wires from the UK for here in Italy > will take about 10 days. My TR3A has the side entrance cap. So I will purchase > appropriate length wires and cut the end off to insert into the hole in the > cap. > > Stay tuned.... > > thx again... > > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > 72 TR6 > 00 Fiat Barchetta > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E0B2580342 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84ADC2580342 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 08:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140712141148.MELE6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:11:48 -0400 Received: from mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.28]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id RSBo1o0030dCcRg05SBotV; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:11:48 -0400 Received: from impout006 ([68.114.189.21]) by mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140712141148.ELVX22783.mtaout003.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout006>; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:11:48 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([96.32.130.82]) by impout006 with charter.net id RSBo1o0011mocag01SBoEH; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:11:48 -0500 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:117 a=sTKbcjTqnav9wJx1IMuFqA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=tcnv99F1KMcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=XfX5FXB7O-KO-Ok5bG4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=AG8ni1eVSQsA:10 a=6IjRAkmll3EA:10 a=JBYUTTUmQUsA:10 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:11:49 -0400 From: Jeff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net, ols@bcdef.net References: <4EB27345-5F7D-43F1-A361-F1796933976A@bcdef.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Strange TR3 OD issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/11/2014 8:33 PM, Alexander Delis wrote: > I am using straight 30 weight oil as recommended by John Esposito. 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Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A4B25844E2 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C42580607 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A3/55-20336-2B761C35; Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:52:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Italyfound'" , "'*Triumphs List'" Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:51:56 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+du9xyU568YbFHQZWMeGmbSCtUsgANLEGA Subject: Re: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > ..so next test is to replace the bumble bee wires with new > ignition wires. > The problem here is ordering replacement wires from the UK > for here in Italy > will take about 10 days. My TR3A has the side entrance cap. > So I will purchase > appropriate length wires and cut the end off to insert into > the hole in the > cap. Two things to be aware of: 1) I've had trouble several times with the common "carbon core" wires and the original TR3A distributor cap with the piercing screws. The carbon tends to burn around the point of the screw, creating a high resistance connection inside the wire where it can't be seen. For that reason, I prefer to run solid-core wires with suppression resistors at the plugs (if needed). Motorcycle shops still sell plug caps with resistors built into them, which just screw on to the end of solid core wires. 2) A bad wire can sometimes cause invisible (electrical) damage to the cap and/or rotor. If you still have problems after changing the wires, try changing the cap & rotor as well. It's a good idea to have spares on hand anyway; and if they aren't the problem, you can always go back to the old components and save the new for next time. I have seen a TR4A that would not run at all, due to damage to the brand new (less than 200 miles) rotor caused by a bad wire. Even knowing it had to be bad, we couldn't see anything wrong with it. But just changing the rotor made it run great. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566D2258471C for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBFE25803FF for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.112]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E13B270000087 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqa001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.193]) by mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A827D38000081 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:27:54 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-d240.sysops.aol.com (149.174.160.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:27:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:27:54 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1405232874; bh=zAzLWjl1IXYq6tWBLn2Z7oA4nz6MXYKTXyTH7HpReP0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dzln5moRSGzmYPddo/HxgJfs02QIdhwq0grQL9wbrNYC+P90NqMJ6519zb7SjTz/i WwOEORlNYNXabqf0v6iVN4X3oxqySuvg+tbLFeCG+L71E6AcRP8ZuibeddCGztD0JG jKMYKrzrQPIhq4fAVg4O3WhMmb62z5PjTUF1QqyY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a857053c226ea686c Subject: Re: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi Alex, A few other ideas... and easy things to try... Have you tried different plugs, or perhaps simply swapping around the spark plugs? It's not unheard of for new plugs to fail relatively quickly, and that might cause problems similar to what you described. If changing the plugs doesn't help, depending upon the lengths of your current plug wires, you also might be able to simply swap them around too, to see if the problem moves to a different cylinder along with a particular wire. Also check both ends of the wire are clean and secure, and that none of the plug wires are touching and running parallel to each other... that can cause a persistent misfire. Keep the wires separated or only crossing at relatively close to 90 degree angle. Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com www.amfoto1.printroom.com https://www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1/ '62 TR4 CT17602L www.triumphowners.com/640 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 12:26:01 +0200 From: "Italyfound" To: "*Triumphs List" Subject: [TR] Could it be rings-Update Well thank you all who responded...... Here's the results of the compression test on my '59 TR3A... ...As you may remember my thinking was rings or wires causing the problem......... Compression test......... #1 cylinder.....................178 psi #2 cylinder.....................180 psi #3 cylinder.....................180 psi #4 cylinder.....................178 psi ..so next test is to replace the bumble bee wires with new ignition wires. The problem here is ordering replacement wires from the UK for here in Italy will take about 10 days. My TR3A has the side entrance cap. So I will purchase appropriate length wires and cut the end off to insert into the hole in the cap. Stay tuned.... thx again... Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85FF25846BC for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E87258009B for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RnhC1o0010Fqzac56nor1j; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:51 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Rnor1o00A2ymm843UnoraJ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:51 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20140121; t=1405252131; bh=3JPsfIWMDp6+A5WiJDVAGBqfPrtKy4uEDBtfgwb+ryY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hAFOEA3j9986oeijK0SMAEEh6uDVroSiDLF0vMOuAWZqv4gSMPtlYVXj4KX4xcXE4 gENATZSdeDmsAhP3inQ/6cjZYJRACVkHVzjnVSVK2K15dL0b537D1576FQ85MJvVLD MvDpRlERSYzBPEHh1cqAi0NapFYxhMQH3+qq1TN1tY4afQMSPfkhFfa1LDR994ccw7 ImHBfk24Lzi83yJh8+1QMOQ//JqBw6PcfawyU2Z8fb9DNaLEHUZ8jkHpKS1pILoT8G a2NZmlwegBT1K03Su/dTjzMElQoh6gnnqr9m43RyiDVEFcFkZUtnprcpGBf6Yr2SHx h2AVkFE7APrKg== Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Took a four hour drive yesterday, temperature in the 80's, and neared the house when the TR3A stumbled briefly, then died altogether. Got under the hood and found no spark to the plugs. Checked the voltage at the coil positive terminal, and had that, so guessed it was either the coil itself or the Pertrinox. Wiring is solid core and connections are tight. Dizzy cap is good. Tried three different rotors. Changed out the dizzy plate to points, still no spark. So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? Thanks, everyone. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CDE2584719 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF58A258084A for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id nu7so3161211obb.9 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:59:27 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mGyk+SVmFBEWMXB2E/rd7FrGq6j6rYmaV6YZjhJ+vr8=; b=wwKCAlBdSyTsvvH9EIBuoRkxdFtHJqpxkHPNaJqWNBVh7/hoWNkuiBjI41ZdU1bEoj PF8f1Lknc/AO4o8X9ahl1E//dNRZ39S4q2lXC4j2Jux1qOCJMeIrHyCKmc4BRkQ2Z7mQ QIM/EIYh5iuRZdoPnjHTvlC+Ip6ebmhb7ZAozsJMfb13hlbiRSGP4U5i+8AIhzb+G8XL a/6tJ07zhTNra5PSRH9opy13ZWlzM9igLpTvqHl5XT+LigZHPzMXMrVIhfrsKni+9kfs ram/Md4q7lHxh96G6us439AlYLGpQ8PcAEDFjtmKx4KhqOAxmFqPU2xzNKAAifwx/VrK snKQ== aq7mr2151118obc.67.1405256367650; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qg3sm16951090obc.21.2014.07.13.05.59.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 05:59:25 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/13/14, 4:48 AM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? > The Bosh blue coil is always reliable. But first did you try swapping out the condenser? If it failed you would have the same symptoms. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CF32584770 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:20:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D315625802EC for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id id10so5455746vcb.30 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DbMq8BWfo8u80IjgRDvWGChdO7hMzgtAe+IFtMRV09I=; b=tBkxDEACGe+9k6P1dR1Gu9GAM3W9hlVB3HqCMXGOl9rkQZLfErrhINXyxyqfmQ9H+k BeMXCvaXO7BYtFFyTEz5mQI5ZPBlZ9H8EljurHyPdnEJlikEqesw0ug0C3tVtocoRZOR 7/at8CJZYylYuhAODK+NyXv7Q76VoDGTPRl0+0Op1huJLTgh5n9qkoyo6kY/JBttrz3j bwRYdrCdo+01qw/gqOyRN7/69KD/Jdl34Dh6EH5h6AcOrcjQBGsxJl6Um1IrWq+mLBav rCplR8PdKiAOYi4EKGwVrbpLJokky/dYSt0O/d2DxjFk0MbfuWnnAXOb9UI136n/Cgbh UQtw== mc1mr48465veb.44.1405257590988; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:19:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140711075203.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.e620ec1ee7.mailapi@mailapi06.secureserver.net> <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:19:50 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO If I were to carry only one spare part, it would be a coil. They do sometimes failand the spare can be swapped on in (literally) seconds. I have a small bungee wrapped around it so I can just strap it on to the mounted coil and move the leads over. I have used it myself a few times, more times than that on someone else's car. I also carry a spare condenser but it takes minutes to install so I try the coil first. Just saying, if you end up with a new coil (or condenser) that you don't need after all -- it isn't such a bad thing to own. Geo On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:48 AM, wrote: > Took a four hour drive yesterday, temperature in the 80's, and neared the > house when the TR3A stumbled briefly, then died altogether. Got under the > hood and found no spark to the plugs. Checked the voltage at the coil > positive terminal, and had that, so guessed it was either the coil itself > or the Pertrinox. Wiring is solid core and connections are tight. Dizzy > cap is good. Tried three different rotors. Changed out the dizzy plate to > points, still no spark. > > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket > replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on > these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? > > Thanks, everyone. > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9833F2584771 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE7125802EC for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id v10so3759570pde.26 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:24:03 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=Qc9tc8tjRQ9TickDJ4WGm9vDodohGKzft0d8P93RTeA=; b=qypX4fcR+Wz6TtggwPRB/FRBQVad2n/rMAKdU4OVGcDoPJoSUE8aJT3pNfhdTueMrT +hO2DHh6ovdg4evFmUL5/FEEA+OE9HydhPN7EW/Df5vEKvaRaWHpMP4bNJQM5f4CaMLd rrOnmhxK9H0WAm6+coNPvVYFnlI+YMzh2N+uyduonZUzSrMv67gr3TgKviHl/xCzBUqv TFl9pNqLXm9ON/XjJlW3xd77yakDsLWRwZNuSGa/4xVL0GMvRWGIpE2KIlKQb7fvZFKD 8Kq5kjGrdeSd+UskYVB1YpWoVlB/zYpjvNOotXFR6Y/wjDHxVKPw+5OPLjbSZRPgAasS iXGQ== ik1mr61274pbb.145.1405257843078; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dave3fac297f99 (outreach-01-gw.cust.visp.net. [208.74.128.1]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h10sm33361881pat.11.2014.07.13.06.24.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave Hammond" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <53C282AD.3060108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:23:57 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+emk2IsPu4omT5TZSTmwwf/IyPOQAAx1RA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm looking for a core overdrive from a tr 3,4 or 6. Anyone out there have one to sell? David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ADE258477D for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA96C2580962 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:47:20 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=oysiHJLCiP80XhyZjqYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50741] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 85/C1-08232-7FD82C35; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:47:35 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" References: <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <53C282AD.3060108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:51:18 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi TerriAnn, I have been looking for one of the Bosch blue coils with no luck. I understand that they are epoxy filled vs. oil filled? Would you know where I could purchase one of these coils, or maybe someone else on the list knows of a source?? I have a misfire in my TR4A at constant speeds over 2,500 RPM but it idles perfectly at 1,000RPM and will pull through the gears to 4,000 RPM like crazy, just can't drive over 2,500 RPM for any length of time. I am thinking it might be related to my coil. Or, it could be fuel related,, or maybe it's those bronze valve guides that are being replaced with stock cast iron pieces? Still, I would like to get a source for the blue Bosch coil just in case. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil > On 7/13/14, 4:48 AM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: >> So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket >> replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on >> these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? >> > The Bosh blue coil is always reliable. > > But first did you try swapping out the condenser? If it failed you would > have the same symptoms. > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8A925847A5 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517732584743 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:49:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Rppc1o00p4oFfFQ01ppdmg; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:49:37 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:46:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO http://www.amazon.com/PerTronix-40511-Flame-Thrower-Volt-Coil/dp/B00199BO4C/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1405259123&sr=1-1&keywords=pertronix+flamethrower+coil I use this on several cars -----Original Message----- From: terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 6:48 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil Took a four hour drive yesterday, temperature in the 80's, and neared the house when the TR3A stumbled briefly, then died altogether. Got under the hood and found no spark to the plugs. Checked the voltage at the coil positive terminal, and had that, so guessed it was either the coil itself or the Pertrinox. Wiring is solid core and connections are tight. Dizzy cap is good. Tried three different rotors. Changed out the dizzy plate to points, still no spark. So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? Thanks, everyone. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36C025847B8 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954E52584743 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:50:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id RprA1o00U4oFfFQ01prB3G; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:51:11 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <53C282AD.3060108@gmail.com> <03E795ED53F4442CB815D0E8A69EC9A2@DaveLaptop> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:51:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-00012-Ignition-Coil/dp/B001CO4WA2/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1405259410&sr=1-1&keywords=bosch+ignition+coil -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 8:51 AM To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Hi TerriAnn, I have been looking for one of the Bosch blue coils with no luck. I understand that they are epoxy filled vs. oil filled? Would you know where I could purchase one of these coils, or maybe someone else on the list knows of a source?? I have a misfire in my TR4A at constant speeds over 2,500 RPM but it idles perfectly at 1,000RPM and will pull through the gears to 4,000 RPM like crazy, just can't drive over 2,500 RPM for any length of time. I am thinking it might be related to my coil. Or, it could be fuel related,, or maybe it's those bronze valve guides that are being replaced with stock cast iron pieces? Still, I would like to get a source for the blue Bosch coil just in case. Thanks in advance, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC2B2584780 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:21:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09172580962 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:21:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RqCu1o00327AodY5FqMznX; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:21:59 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RqMz1o00D2ymm843fqMzej; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:21:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:21:59 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" s=q20140121; t=1405261319; bh=ZV+XT5BZeMU4VqsFUE23g9GGxiFuNY2bVn5RBqCYGkM=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jRzCQfi6pUp62p6PxvsF91nYaQSw3tNVI0w1HDbd3X3HL9rkdOu5k+aOkr7Qbflvy K+fFbaOD9sp9qkfQsgajr9WakAY5H443dT5zD4NtiI0gLNL3fpy28tcfq0dVB52n2q J3bNxEq+XyzRBuWN1Kz08fODsR96LCOFWaAHW+tKW+DaoTnEAYhXW83c99x7rOmbDA UsAmIlbVRnfslJ/AxB+blejeMeSfEGXFpgmvHQxGkWY+goQ5NwTElz8VXYMzzb07t1 Xrio7QlRR97fUnP4tdPOBbXJNZjtHAoGd+zYicT/ZL//eRe0VhPKBGzE8tHEF22wA/ MFVqUcCuZir7g== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? >> The Bosh blue coil is always reliable. Thank you, everone. The original set up was a Pertronix. I switched it with a points/condensor, but no improvement. Question: Do Pertronix take a special coil? ISTR that they might.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9A4258477D for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E0F258025C for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:48:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Rqou1o01A4oFfFQ01qovcS; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:48:55 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <368470128.523210.1405261319192.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO only if your old system had a 1.5 ohm coil. this would only be the later cars, as in TR6 post 74? which used a ballast resistor. trying to use a 1.5 ohm coil with a pertronix is generally a $100 mistake. but your car, assuming it is a TR3 as stated in the title, should not have any of this stuff, and you should be fine with any 3.0 ohm coil. its generally a good idea to test your coil before using it with a pertronix for the above reason. any 3.0 ohm coil will do, but you will get better performance with a higher voltage coil than with an less powerful one. I should also add that you can gap your plugs wider with a pertronix and high performance coil than with a low voltage coil and points/condenser. I run about .035 vs .025 -----Original Message----- From: terryrs@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 9:21 AM To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket > replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on > these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? >> The Bosh blue coil is always reliable. Thank you, everone. The original set up was a Pertronix. I switched it with a points/condensor, but no improvement. Question: Do Pertronix take a special coil? ISTR that they might.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC822584783 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFD52580680 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:18:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55009] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5F/25-11986-743A2C35; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:18:31 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:18:24 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+eouWKiXB8xaQTRBODxvq4A6n5cwACZn4g Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > I have been looking for one of the Bosch blue coils with no luck. I > understand that they are epoxy filled vs. oil filled? Which is odd, because the oil provides better cooling for the coil. Normally, epoxy filled coils are only for short-term race track service. The epoxy provides better vibration resistance, but poorer cooling. Note that there are quite a few different coils that are blue and say Bosch on them. Eg, http://www.ratwell.com/technical/BlueCoil.html > I have a misfire in my TR4A at constant speeds over 2,500 RPM > but it idles > perfectly at 1,000RPM and will pull through the gears to > 4,000 RPM like > crazy, just can't drive over 2,500 RPM for any length of > time. I am thinking > it might be related to my coil. Seems unlikely to me, but could be. It's certainly worth swapping in another coil as a test. > Or, it could be fuel > related,, Does sound more like fuel starvation. Will it pick up and run smoothly if you back off the throttle but keep the rpm up? > or maybe it's > those bronze valve guides that are being replaced with stock cast iron > pieces? Another possibility, if they weren't reamed large enough after installation. > Still, I would like to get a source for the blue Bosch coil > just in case. FWIW, I've got about 4 years on a Pertronix coil since my new Lucas Sports coil died in 2010. Works great so far. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD85B258477C for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5064D2580687 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f172.google.com with SMTP id wn1so3175178obc.3 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y42jO6ywRVcx7Hgz118HlFuSIQCPNJl163iu6+HoFMY=; b=eLVnaOF7eHbYWjX8NXx+jlQExYkkruwHAZ1JdMr46VCtc23KtO3SzMEz5LLvEcFSdZ LUeKVh/34+IGKLqOTrKeGoZeOnJdKgUQLOBoC9YkTeLtbJXlHagiboC+2FhAjlkvSRYc 8e8QCVqNa272uUGsjwiRp3W4vZHrEiK4uRh0KdIGiQXZH8mmNJrxaUl2gmJiwNsj5KsL Z9B/sO9L6H8R+0SBRyCNxHrW7rarbu2aaeehLSOY4lpNs/2+wvSlUXMhlTO7x16pQSPb 5qUidaNwg/kSyGS0uwzOs3kp0kDfG+Bjds+UOkffidScxyu9eCtZR8PJbaEiJbAD3liA PhRA== or12mr12383851oeb.60.1405267301022; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d3sm34495664oez.5.2014.07.13.09.01.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:01:38 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <5F.25.11986.743A2C35@cdptpa-oedge03> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 7/13/14, 8:18 AM, Randall wrote: >> I have been looking for one of the Bosch blue coils with no luck. I >> >> Note that there are quite a few different coils that are blue and say Bosch on them. Eg, >> http://www.ratwell.com/technical/BlueCoil.html >> >> Gesh! Things change a lot over time. back in the days when I purchased the Bosch blue coil they were only made in Germany and were always very high quality. Bosch is a brand I always trust to have high quality. I wonder how the makers of knock off products can use the Bosch name? TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12F725847E0 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9508258477D for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170019pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0N8N00MW9W5BRW90@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:48:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vms170019 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:48:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I don't know what I did before Randall and Google. Craig 72 TR6 On 07/13/14, Randall wrote: > I have been looking for one of the Bosch blue coils with no luck. I > understand that they are epoxy filled vs. oil filled? Which is odd, because the oil provides better cooling for the coil. Normally, epoxy filled coils are only for short-term race track service. The epoxy provides better vibration resistance, but poorer cooling. Note that there are quite a few different coils that are blue and say Bosch on them. Eg, http://www.ratwell.com/technical/BlueCoil.html > I have a misfire in my TR4A at constant speeds over 2,500 RPM > but it idles > perfectly at 1,000RPM and will pull through the gears to > 4,000 RPM like > crazy, just can't drive over 2,500 RPM for any length of > time. I am thinking > it might be related to my coil. Seems unlikely to me, but could be. It's certainly worth swapping in another coil as a test. > Or, it could be fuel > related,, Does sound more like fuel starvation. Will it pick up and run smoothly if you back off the throttle but keep the rpm up? > or maybe it's > those bronze valve guides that are being replaced with stock cast iron > pieces? Another possibility, if they weren't reamed large enough after installation. > Still, I would like to get a source for the blue Bosch coil > just in case. FWIW, I've got about 4 years on a Pertronix coil since my new Lucas Sports coil died in 2010. Works great so far. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D6525847F5 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:42:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3CF258053A for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 48/34-11986-2E2D2C35; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:41:39 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:41:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+etCF6OTwNN0z/RleR/GdXP8gE8wAE4qSg Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Bosch is a brand I always trust to > have high > quality. I wonder how the makers of knock off products can use the > Bosch name? I don't know, but I suspect that all of those coils were actually made by Bosch or one of their subsidiaries. They have factories all over the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_GmbH#Locations I owned a 71 Audi 100LS with all Bosch electrical system, and I have to say I was not impressed with the quality. Some areas were better than others, but overall I'd say it was only marginally better than Lucas during the same period. For example, Bosch fuses had to be changed periodically (even without being overloaded), because otherwise they would fail due to old age! The Bosch style fuses were just plastic forms with the fuse element bent around the outside. The clip would pinch the ends of the fuse element against the plastic form. Over time, the fuse element would sag and eventually break from vibration and heat. I finally discovered that Bussman made glass fuses that would fit the Bosch fuse block, which solved the problem. The Bosch version of a voltage stabilizer only lasted a few years before it burned out. After the second one, I built my own from much larger American components and never had a failure again. The relay for the rear window defog grid was mounted under the hood; and used phenolic for the base (instead of the more expensive but more effective fiberglass). It got to where it would turn the grid on with the key off, only when conditions were just right. Fought that one for many months, before I just happened to walk by the car one evening and notice the light glowing on the dash! I also owned a VW Rabbit (aka Golf) from the same period, and it suffered from similar issues. Its favorite trick was turning the dome light back on after you had left the car, to run the battery down. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179CC2584787 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:29:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A6F25803B2 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:29:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id im17so5614830vcb.39 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=LsiVbtvwpynxnwg9iFXzXCNXEJzJOR99HhjdJd/HTEg=; b=y3OPJiIoqZ/UbXXdXBZ3YmCAq2V9grMykrlgOwwvOLLYSrl8/dDt06qU3x1aebUkzf mx9IaJ1GmBtQVfln52NwPkYiTUBlluOnCCo0abTTem6tXrOdkLMJoow10liapIaaXab9 OxwNzbDWFULNjhgTqFoK7e1C5FhxBjLZR0GX+AxIVwxSIGDkkbaYPUNTaYIvKlqax/xy 1pCUA1Fjprj+cZpQoCuzZQbxg1ogG/3tZj1Df82rnDfqzLNmfL1NLt2Q72YI1/crkUQ8 +sTibHL76hnQNEnj8RzZSQ7+Nxh0xETgXe2LDformEY58ATt6Wgg/JPLJDtogRFnyulP mPfw== t9mr12259958vcz.12.1405279790581; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <53C2AD62.3090207@gmail.com> <48.34.11986.2E2D2C35@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:29:50 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO In defense of Bosch - I have had good results with most Bosch products. Granted, that style of fuse with the exposed element (I think the body was ceramic, not plastic) can easily corrode and cause a failed connection but those were made by many manufacturers (used them on my Fiats and VWs) and was just a poor design. My Bosch ignition wires that I bought in the 90s finally failed and I saw on their website that they guarantee them for life. Fortunately, I had saved the receipt (don't we all) and indeed they promptly sent me a refund almost 20 years after the original purchase. My favorite quote from that website: "Spain (next best thing to Germany)". Perhaps the guys in Madrid should adopt that for their tourism campaigns. Geo On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Randall wrote: > > Bosch is a brand I always trust to > > have high > > quality. I wonder how the makers of knock off products can use the > > Bosch name? > > I don't know, but I suspect that all of those coils were actually made by > Bosch or one of their subsidiaries. They have factories > all over the world. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_GmbH#Locations > > I owned a 71 Audi 100LS with all Bosch electrical system, and I have to > say I was not impressed with the quality. Some areas were > better than others, but overall I'd say it was only marginally better than > Lucas during the same period. > > For example, Bosch fuses had to be changed periodically (even without > being overloaded), because otherwise they would fail due to > old age! The Bosch style fuses were just plastic forms with the fuse > element bent around the outside. The clip would pinch the > ends of the fuse element against the plastic form. Over time, the fuse > element would sag and eventually break from vibration and > heat. I finally discovered that Bussman made glass fuses that would fit > the Bosch fuse block, which solved the problem. > > The Bosch version of a voltage stabilizer only lasted a few years before > it burned out. After the second one, I built my own from > much larger American components and never had a failure again. > > The relay for the rear window defog grid was mounted under the hood; and > used phenolic for the base (instead of the more expensive > but more effective fiberglass). It got to where it would turn the grid on > with the key off, only when conditions were just right. > Fought that one for many months, before I just happened to walk by the car > one evening and notice the light glowing on the dash! > > I also owned a VW Rabbit (aka Golf) from the same period, and it suffered > from similar issues. Its favorite trick was turning the > dome light back on after you had left the car, to run the battery down. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98582584784 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD84258046D for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:54:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (96-41-146-193.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [96.41.146.193]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N8O001H71ZRKF00@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:55:05 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-13_02:2014-07-11,2014-07-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407130272 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:55:02 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Southern Oregon Repair Recommendations? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi. On Friday, my 1962 surrey-top TR4 for was delivered to my new home in Ashland, Oregon, and I'd like to have a professional in the area take a look at the car. It's was restored a couple of years ago, but has been largely off the road since then. My main areas of concern are the brakes (which seem a bit weak) and the fuel systems (the garage smells of gasoline). My Triumph experience has been entirely theoretical until now, and I don't want to take any chances. Thanks for any advice and recommendations for good service in the Medford/Ashland area. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:42 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A6225847E1 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C4825803D7 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 14:22:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RwHy1o0010EPchoAFwP62C; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:23:06 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RwP51o0070dYjAz8MwP5UJ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:23:05 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <53C2AD62.3090207@gmail.com> <48.34.11986.2E2D2C35@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:23:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+e0OBEUb1RqHGFTZiYtCHoLNOj3QABk9dw Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1405282986; bh=Tn2xpRBa32VWZnSAlg0ED/Kir00Yx0ITJLoG2QvzPhU=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bV1Ch+b8S9yo/nQh3COS+2asH1RBxXNfk7/z29ELxA7/lhwzMKtrL1VqitV3yNmDD E7jb0YHHFIu+6EFgThF8Zryl17j4VYOzP7gBUzYv4+g3G2NQSoJaZXxSvkJWYP9yl/ UmUOW8vKWYAx31Y8MXjncCjyu3VyoRTmxxDzlmy16pMbaWHUhWuSk7A94fzAYDC+v2 e8iY8YvE1rJJb3cIzUsub4fI6GDfcb9cWWsCgyBZZzIqKl4Wwz0Y9iH3YCws9w0wXp QCZyCKlqQKHqDYBM7y3aYj527W+grEiZI87IolDpjsO5dBSaZPLqKBe8zyCeMYDeYG 2Fwec0UWx2Tgw== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Not to defend Bosch or Lucas, but just to relay what was said to me by a British car specialist many years ago, these companies (he was referring to Lucas) manufacture the parts that are ordered by their customers - cost and quality, frequently design. Lucas made parts for airplanes where reliability is pretty important, his point was that Lucas' bad rap was ill deserved. Same could be for Bosch. Just saying... Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:30 PM To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil In defense of Bosch - I have had good results with most Bosch products. Granted, that style of fuse with the exposed element (I think the body was ceramic, not plastic) can easily corrode and cause a failed connection but those were made by many manufacturers (used them on my Fiats and VWs) and was just a poor design. My Bosch ignition wires that I bought in the 90s finally failed and I saw on their website that they guarantee them for life. Fortunately, I had saved the receipt (don't we all) and indeed they promptly sent me a refund almost 20 years after the original purchase. My favorite quote from that website: "Spain (next best thing to Germany)". Perhaps the guys in Madrid should adopt that for their tourism campaigns. Geo On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Randall wrote: > > Bosch is a brand I always trust to > > have high > > quality. I wonder how the makers of knock off products can use the > > Bosch name? > > I don't know, but I suspect that all of those coils were actually made > by Bosch or one of their subsidiaries. They have factories all over > the world. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bosch_GmbH#Locations > > I owned a 71 Audi 100LS with all Bosch electrical system, and I have > to say I was not impressed with the quality. Some areas were better > than others, but overall I'd say it was only marginally better than > Lucas during the same period. > > For example, Bosch fuses had to be changed periodically (even without > being overloaded), because otherwise they would fail due to old age! > The Bosch style fuses were just plastic forms with the fuse element > bent around the outside. The clip would pinch the ends of the fuse > element against the plastic form. Over time, the fuse element would > sag and eventually break from vibration and heat. I finally > discovered that Bussman made glass fuses that would fit the Bosch fuse > block, which solved the problem. > > The Bosch version of a voltage stabilizer only lasted a few years > before it burned out. After the second one, I built my own from much > larger American components and never had a failure again. > > The relay for the rear window defog grid was mounted under the hood; > and used phenolic for the base (instead of the more expensive but more > effective fiberglass). It got to where it would turn the grid on with > the key off, only when conditions were just right. > Fought that one for many months, before I just happened to walk by the > car one evening and notice the light glowing on the dash! > > I also owned a VW Rabbit (aka Golf) from the same period, and it > suffered from similar issues. Its favorite trick was turning the dome > light back on after you had left the car, to run the battery down. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A5C2580530 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55E225802EE for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2014 21:00:53 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.236] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2014 21:00:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2014 21:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 91457 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2014 20:54:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405284852; bh=SXb9Yhhxe2lur5ZwwQGE92ixZ4ABuC3AKeaA1JSVeas=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3KaTkCFzQ5jrSW65OnFIGgnhTdXhCU7vPP9HWktfgr4WVoe+KCeWp7TbrMRmU2oCCseuBIclSIhOkws5mdoKYTNN3Eymah7Cgwpu5g51Stnb5UTuCSd4y9HeuwvED18nE7cdTPI90vIIQhHyVoM20haRDEcUwVBZYelD6LIC4FM= X.3NrBvWFphkMzEjwgKkNlN0eLXNJWVKlc9ubpRz6Zxv7hOHiWtqjhj5MG04 yGGrVWSjFoHYmxy_x8MLK_qF2lFIShciwbjxuPo8m8sG5pJB3JpvVBRFUnSY juvzHbCkPDqoA2asMRwbKTOIAvtzCFtXWSxkjrTd9iWHkEetLe4JaxCK5wgw N3c69zq3LTe.YxFBMg7yQnFJyz9ZxLpEE7Sp9hi8quP.iETbiUPt55EcVjcy oQKRELADiyr4Nz6y7sG5kBnIkDRu5FX2o81JTsJdGw98slDWvEDDY_rbjCJF 1uCApsqU3jqhsvCpaZDe0SVNSdmbHtE2Z0KC6gx5lJfPQEyMF1eb3RKn2oes 7bTlhN6.aArdVcjOeRSws21MJAkUdm9ZT4dR25HmDoka153W8chy2KXLVggK qFIK3rNOQkt5KVOnhsvAK2gBdEW7X9gtKdVSBvUjzqArl1MuMVwkwQBrHj4u QgGerd01j7DHhs7F4.EVpYiIWK4_M09HtAXqDXh.g1WVuGz8ykwNyDDFj00u jzVzA_FooYl3a.iUGgg-- Received: from [108.192.156.166] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:54:12 PDT TXkgY2FyIGNhbWUgd2l0aG91dCB0aGUgY292ZXIgYW5kIHdoaWxlIEkgaGF2ZSAzIHJ1c3RlZCBodWxrcyB3aXRoIG5vIGJvdHRvbSB0byB0cnkgdG8gcGF0Y2ggdG9nZXRoZXIgSSBub3RpY2VkIEJQTlcgaGFzIGEgVFI0IHBvbHkgY292ZXIuIEkgY2FuJ3QgaW1hZ2luZSB0aGV5IGNoYW5nZWQgdGhlIHN0YXJ0ZXIgbG9jYXRpb24sIHNvIGl0IHNob3VsZCB3b3JrLgpBbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBhbnkgZXhwZXJpZW5jZSBpbiB0aGlzLiBUaGFua3MsIEpvZSBNYXRvATABAQEB Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 13:54:12 -0700 From: JOSEPH MATO To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR-3 Trans cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO My car came without the cover and while I have 3 rusted hulks with no bottom to try to patch together I noticed BPNW has a TR4 poly cover. I can't imagine they changed the starter location, so it should work. Anyone have any experience in this. Thanks, Joe Mato ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0C02580475 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:12:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3921F25803D7 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 7808 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jul 2014 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2014 21:12:28 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id S3CM1o00A1NzpT9013CQue; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:12:26 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CDms7Nf6PwzwzoPIMu0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=61054 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X6R4I-0006zk-GL; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 15:12:22 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:12:19 -0500 To: JOSEPH MATO , "triumphs@autox.team.net" From: Tony Drews > References: <1405284852.19901.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 Trans cover Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm pretty sure that the TR-3 metal trans cover is taller than the TR-4 cardboard cover. Jack used a TR-3 metal cover in his TR-4 race car and had to section it to get it to fit the firewall right. Tony Drews At 03:54 PM 7/13/2014, JOSEPH MATO wrote: >My car came without the cover and while I have 3 rusted hulks with >no bottom to try to patch together I noticed BPNW has a TR4 poly >cover. I can't imagine they changed the starter location, so it should work. >Anyone have any experience in this. Thanks, Joe Mato > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269FE25847E1 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:41:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8282580499; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBCE2C0068; Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:40:58 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs , Spitfire Group Subject: [TR] Team.Net archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO For those of you who have gone to the archive link below, you probably noticed that the last few months are missing and the archive is not getting updated on a regular basis. Sorry 'bout that, I still haven't tracked down the exact problem, but hope to have it back to normal soon. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCC4258062A for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 04:30:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21832580583 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 04:29:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SASX1o0010QuhwU59AW8s9; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:30:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([71.192.208.10]) by omta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SAW61o00C0E03aX3NAW7zG; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 10:30:08 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:30:04 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1405333808; bh=upTwJW8VYuAldWrEjNv8io2TAJXMpl4ncxLsDcQfr8k=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=khiZxOPThlD0HIuVTiFmuSO+QIQjUcfn/L0Vd1V9Q0H9PvhftW2N4SEN7rQ3zIRso tbkSpxEnDXRaZF+ntcFTMGTOcJO6R38bY/McG7QTMVFsU0u1/KDHkp5IQjqhgh79Ta afcf0e5LSbCg29+1Z21250Il+JuTkIWMBYjBx9vAwzfADia0Qcpogp9euic18wpJBU klxiwAENzfqzHeLvLFSHKKEh/C3FJeCyqQ8M+Eradj4vY4Kjbhq4+O5gGOCZ/1It9u /WphRzBZRSqIbvQf0hgyAVt2r2fj2qB7B2wlmMBR0ktsfUOUsXY0O1qtj7zl0cuX0h gYdZ+jWutWpLw== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Terry, You can manually test the coil. Take the distributor ground wire off the coil and place a jumper wire (well insulated) Then apply power to the coil and then ground the wire and break the ground. Of course you need a spark gap tester on the coil output. Keep yourself insulated from BOTH the coil output wire and the ground wire. Do you get a spark coming from the coil? Ideally you also have a condenser between the ground terminal of the coil and ground, too, but you ought to see a spark even without it. If you don't get a good spark, then try the same test with a known good coil. Also remember the TR3 and Pertronix do not use ballast resistors so you should be using a 12volt, about 3 ohm, coil. -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:51 +0000 (UTC) > From: terryrs@comcast.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil > Message-ID: > <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.co mcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Took a four hour drive yesterday, temperature in the 80's, and neared the house when the TR3A stumbled briefly, then died altogether. Got under the hood and found no spark to the plugs. Checked the voltage at the coil positive terminal, and had that, so guessed it was either the coil itself or the Pertrinox. Wiring is solid core and connections are tight. Dizzy cap is good. Tried three different rotors. Changed out the dizzy plate to points, still no spark. > > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? > > Thanks, everyone. > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A > New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD3D2580736 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D70D258068E for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SHoi1o0070S2fkCA3J2GDB; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:02:16 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SJ2F1o00W0dYjAz8VJ2Gfo; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:02:16 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Anthony Rhodes'" , References: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:02:16 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+fTqfjCT8wr8DoTtizSOfDn6TSkwAPuJDQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1405360936; bh=vRmFAD4e1CBNBFeAtARyBKtp7s1WEfc1LEoO790JSH4=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Sye+BbMI0Ftw7IhXUIBCZA8q0Qb1bQFYAsJUWP75Ajq9R/6/ajjn+9nQwOh4NWKFr J+Ioia/laAhW7Qk6IQdmvhwaCFdpo/JPJhevQcyjtyj/cMJbFPS/blRry4sAAXR5Bp M/yKT5sP7CAN2SFAaFMC2F484xUwDdulO3NNAc16iCVYFb+C8GnERYcwIjbY9rdZVF g69mT1umm0qUN9VUc+Ng7Kgl4x8312PfeA5dCgcgISSHM7EJMZE/8lxeB+Z/E0qNjE 35ckFi5wyj6ne4kuSsUbJvFh8O69N4e40tQSJglWoZPsxZ12A5zQhQX5rOAOD+TD/Q 1nFvlkATIe25A== Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Moss Motors has a video I think illustrates this test very well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJYJ3KvPhhY Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Rhodes Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 3:30 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Terry, You can manually test the coil. Take the distributor ground wire off the coil and place a jumper wire (well insulated) Then apply power to the coil and then ground the wire and break the ground. Of course you need a spark gap tester on the coil output. Keep yourself insulated from BOTH the coil output wire and the ground wire. Do you get a spark coming from the coil? Ideally you also have a condenser between the ground terminal of the coil and ground, too, but you ought to see a spark even without it. If you don't get a good spark, then try the same test with a known good coil. Also remember the TR3 and Pertronix do not use ballast resistors so you should be using a 12volt, about 3 ohm, coil. -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2014, at 1:48 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 11:48:51 +0000 (UTC) > From: terryrs@comcast.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Coil > Message-ID: > <1554084976.522424.1405252131431.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.c o mcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Took a four hour drive yesterday, temperature in the 80's, and neared > the house when the TR3A stumbled briefly, then died altogether. Got under the hood and found no spark to the plugs. Checked the voltage at the coil positive terminal, and had that, so guessed it was either the coil itself or the Pertrinox. Wiring is solid core and connections are tight. Dizzy cap is good. Tried three different rotors. Changed out the dizzy plate to points, still no spark. > > So, am in the market for a new coil. This one is an aftermarket > replacement coil. Anybody heard anything about limited durability on these? If looking for dependability, are the Flame Throwers better? > > Thanks, everyone. > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A > New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620CA2584882 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EB5258073D for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:45562] helo=cdptpa-web25) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id A7/C7-11986-07024C35; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:24:48 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:24:48 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal 2014 18:24:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ---- Anthony Rhodes wrote: > Terry, > > You can manually test the coil. Take the distributor ground wire off the coil > and place a jumper wire (well insulated) Normally, I am a strong advocate of testing components before replacing them. But this test is incomplete, the coil may pass while still being defective (for example, an inter-winding short or broken laminations). Coils are also much easier to change than most components. So I feel that a better test is to simply substitute a "known good" coil. If you don't happen to have a 3 ohm coil handy, chances are that you can buy a 1.5 ohm coil plus a ballast resistor at your friendly local auto parts store. The combo will work fine for testing (I've actually driven for many years with an external ballast and a cheap 1.5 ohm coil). I see that O'Reillys has a cheap coil listed for $20 and in stock at my local store; the ballast shouldn't be more than $10 or so (O'Reillys has it listed for $6). (Both are listed for a 68 Dodge Dart with a 225 slant 6.) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D3B2584875 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E39258074C for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.208]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D810B702CBE84 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dpd001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dpd001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.210.129]) by mtaomg-mac02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B66B138000082 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Jody007 Received: from 98.230.41.189 by webmail-m211.sysops.aol.com (64.12.75.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:51:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1405374683; bh=YA+DsnhEq1o7prF19Npgpu+kTE7sT0N7hnpkh/o6GzQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nWN+W8qfuviA2inADCS7St8WG2zsvpgu19taiD7OsZPxZop2660LvoY6OI92jGtEw f/hbpzxCc8fHQz1OiEk8qxTi+AMLOMBfRXvM58FlXPXxSF2AfWHF0y7cUMlJUmHMPZ eUfPQRnZ2Xshgi3FZcL73eMSs35pNsUqxD+IxJhQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1aded053c450db75e2 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Question!!! Are TR6 and GT6 steering rack and pinions assembles interchangeable? THANKS, Jody in Tallahassee ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9376125848CE for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:03:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B562580764 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1980E2C010C for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:04:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:04:00 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8D16DC4E376AB96-3098-178E1@webmail-m211.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 190 [rack and pinion] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Jody007 wrote: > Question!!! > > Are TR6 and GT6 steering rack and pinions assembles interchangeable? As I recall the main casting and rack are the same, the inner tie rods are different and one has N teeth on the pinion, the other N + 1. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B4925848B1 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8173525806A5; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id SNCc1o00H4oFfFQ01NCdys; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 15:12:37 -0700 From: "dave n" To: , "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> References: <8D16DC4E376AB96-3098-178E1@webmail-m211.sysops.aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 17:03:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO according to the guy who is rebuilding my tr6 transmission, the first/second and third/fourth synchro hub assemblies could use replacing, and moss does not carry them. do I have to go to rimmers in england? is there a supplier here in the us? (this is an a type od unit which I'd like to keep. I know there are 5 speed options, etc) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B166425848D6 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:31:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A072580803 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:25:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7D52F1C00E5; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:25:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:25:52 -0400 References: <20140712005335.3FAKL.85341.root@cdptpa-web04> To: Randall Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Strange TR3 OD issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Found the problem It was the relay. Don't know why OD 2nd worked perfectly and 3/4 did not- can only assume the 3/4 ciruit was drawing more current but have no idea why Works fine with the new relay Thanks for all of the suggestions Alex On Jul 11, 2014, at 8:53 pm, Randall wrote: > >> The only thing I can think of that is common to third and fourth is that they >> use the same lockout switch, but I don't know why it would pop out at a >> particular RPM EVERY time. > > Vibration sensitive? > > Probably my first step would be to connect a voltmeter/DMM to the OD relay, and take a test ride. If it shows that the relay drops out when the OD does, you know it's an electrical issue. Then change the connection so you can see the lockout switch at work. Again, if it drops out when the OD does, you've found your culprit. > > Might not be the switch, but the wires/connections to it. One of the Stags would drop out for no apparent reason (although it was much more random) and it turned out that the quick connect to the solenoid was very slightly loose. Not loose enough to fall off, but loose enough to sometimes lose contact. So, if the above test does show the relay is not being grounded through the lockout switch, the next test might be to remove the tunnel and repeat the experiment with the meter connected directly to the terminals on the switch. > > Randall 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B83D25848DC for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05AC2580978 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 18:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:15067] helo=cdptpa-web25) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 4E/9F-07747-B3A74C35; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:47:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 0:47:55 +0000 From: Randall To: Alexander Delis Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:47:53 +0000 Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Strange TR3 OD issue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ---- Alexander Delis wrote: > Works fine with the new relay FWIW, I found that the relay lasts much longer if you add a suppression diode across the solenoid (from the relay output terminal to ground). Before adding the diode, the relays were going intermittent within just a year or two, regardless of whether I used an expensive reproduction relay or a cheap automotive relay. That has to be 20 years ago now, and the same cheap relay has been working fine ever since. Too soon to say if it will help or not; but when the pull-in contacts inside the solenoid failed recently, I added a diode there, too. These are just cheap 1N4004 diodes from Radio Shack. A 3-pack is $1.50; I got 25 of them for $3.50. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:43 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCA62580841 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB11F25800CF for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:20:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [69.63.36.183] (helo=[192.168.4.106]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1X77LW-0006cg-Qu; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:21:04 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:20:43 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 5:03 PM, dave n wrote: > > according to the guy who is rebuilding my tr6 transmission, the first/second > and third/fourth synchro hub assemblies could use replacing, and moss does > not carry them. > > do I have to go to rimmers in england? is there a supplier here in the us? > > (this is an a type od unit which I'd like to keep. I know there are 5 speed > options, etc) TRF lists them. http://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/index.php?menu=A&page=72 Call and see if they are in stock. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B2125808CA for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:37:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57EB25807BC for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [98.117.90.163]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N8R00HAVQHYMA20@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:37:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:37:10 -0400 References: To: Keith Stewart Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Be careful what you buy as there are different synchro hubs. It depends on what dog teeth are on the gears. They are asymmetrical and symmetrical dog teeth. Changed during the run of TR6 gearboxes. A good gearbox rebuilder will know the difference. Dean T. On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, at 5:03 PM, dave n wrote: > >> >> according to the guy who is rebuilding my tr6 transmission, the first/second >> and third/fourth synchro hub assemblies could use replacing, and moss does >> not carry them. >> >> do I have to go to rimmers in england? is there a supplier here in the us? >> >> (this is an a type od unit which I'd like to keep. I know there are 5 speed >> options, etc) > > > TRF lists them. > http://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/index.php?menu=A&page=72 > > Call and see if they are in stock. > > Keith Stewart > keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEB82580998 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC97125808A2 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Sju51o0040Fqzac5AkgTjm; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:40:27 +0000 Received: from sz0058.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id SkgT1o0062ymm843UkgTHK; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:40:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:40:27 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net s=q20140121; t=1405456827; bh=Z3kGu45fJlE1kTzDjbIf0cpUNZwR4HgA/TyMnUMKnSE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=iaN80GDd36YKBlZT26PjNcEkRgg6Sk9cKShTL76BF5j0GQtvlpDNiLNBG+w+zi3xm DUVlJ4upg7f2IpObo6AbyXkMQLw7hJEACxB2ywoOfp2avNUjA6cwGwOXatfHG2y6bW cqErOk+M2VZizcJEKufIDUwdDuS4JdFDAX76npmyZ3YOOehrKtkcGGMqw0bRTyScRI 9M0d0xBfCmsZPyjCLSKjlZOWFPQKEKT4cBqPZtkCiYGFbpneFVvtpF2sQ1zq9zB22i 6AI2kyprfUdwTPPhitYwTrHixNnRlWyZokah/yeM0oaGsWOzW74CYDC7KEH9KdX431 BizrjXX/TTrsg== Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO List, What's led this mechanic to believe these two hubs need to be replaced? Just wondering. Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540B525809A2 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:56:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3B32580836 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140715205642.QFOM5235.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id Skwh1o00A0jfpza01kwhTe; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:56:42 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=uB8vNl2vxWQA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=R4vHuD61zg8d9HON2MwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=CQquSo2lBN4A:10 a=AwCoXNGL_SMA:10 a=pEqKuOE0xYgA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: , References: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:56:43 -0700 Thread-Index: AQMI9wxjrlW7WA0RzWG/+H/1O0vAl5ku75kg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The beveled bit where the synchro ring rides can wear out, and then the ring drags or can even get stuck, and you end up with fore/aft slop in the box. Just did one a few weeks ago with that problem. As far as I know, unless you have some broken teeth, that's about all that can go wrong. Is that what your rebuilder is saying? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AD02580B14 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076582580570 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa12-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id SlHy1o00R4oFfFQ01lHzxY; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:18:00 -0700 From: "dave n" To: , References: <451682499.694796.1405456827267.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO "What's led this mechanic to believe these two hubs need to be replaced?" he took the transmission apart and found that they were very worn. a little history: some years ago I purchased an od transmission. it was in lousy shape - grinding in multiple gears and popping out of 3rd. I took it to a mechanic that I had worked with for years, and trusted. he took it apart and supposedly fixed it. it still ground occasionally when upshifting from 1st to second and 2nd to 3rd. It almost always ground when downshifting, and always from 2nd to 1st. I complained and he took it apart again, and supposedly fixed it. I don't know what he did, but it was no different. I complained, and he did it (or didn't do it) again. at this point I wanted my car back and just left it. I am no longer working with said mechanic. I figured there was something structurally wrong with that transmission, and recently acquired another transmission (non od) for a very good price. it came out of a parts car, so condition etc were unknown. as it turns out, its in pretty good shape, but it, too has the same gear clusters worn. my goal was to take the od only out of the transmission I know was faulty, put it in this one from the parts car, only taking the parts I absolutely positively had to have, and nothing else, not wanting to taint this one. I now think that its likely that problem may have been due to this worn cluster gear which this mechanic should have replaced. for whatever reason he overlooked it. multiple times. this car is absolutely my favorite car, which I hope to keep forever. and my son is very interested in inheriting it. so anything I do with this car, I try to do for the long term. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89962258447C for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S38.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s38.hotmail.com [65.55.116.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8622580458 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W51 ([65.55.116.8]) by BLU004-OMC1S38.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:03:21 -0700 From: marty To: Triumph List Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:03:20 -0400 FILETIME=[77511E60:01CFA10F] Subject: [TR] LED Taillights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO There was a company peddling LED taillight bulbs at the VTR convention at Jekyll Island some years ago. Anybody remember their name? They still in business? Thanks, Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0302584476 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:28:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com (mail-qa0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CB02580458 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:28:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m5so873316qaj.21 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8saSuQvZRJN8KYTJ/HV8EUbXq1Qegax4lXyNNtQ808o=; b=DIoLZFLQKWuvxZhpyOJ+W4ZbA6NakRwdUH3msZAcVZpsXbSaLWrPToVZ2SNYY36cim Z36wlxVBiUPMFdfMyFWzXnZYTIhoabUgvYr//n9GK3f6mTG9JvZ7mdtLODsvaCYN4Iha Ua+Q44szT+yZ3jgYKehBq/Meo1MkBVnw7246hZKboXhdLGoM84/lc5WukR2qYiLHGRI5 qDJj+BbX2jk+4qLs8r1LCDjD1pVQzCtj0mQxDZ0atWy2wY3MY+CWWu1MuPP18SwVcoYz 3Fp6kzdVwHKU9jLD6+wpNc9ARUGe0qA8wB97lKYeA0A9Z1dvde/pNQvCxlRjJfIIo4IA vvNg== 21mr47239132qgv.51.1405528101237; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.92.48 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:28:21 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: marty Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] LED Taillights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO http://www.litezupp.com/ Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CFF2580721 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:10:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8405C258068F for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id T5Ab1o00A5SgtPc015Ab1g; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:10:36 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "Triumph List" References: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 12:10:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] LED Taillights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO LitesZupp http://www.litezupp.com/ they are here in the dallas/fort worth area jim thompson jimt@ieee.org I have their lights on several cars. really makes a difference; well worth it -----Original Message----- From: marty Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:03 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] LED Taillights There was a company peddling LED taillight bulbs at the VTR convention at Jekyll Island some years ago. Anybody remember their name? They still in business? Thanks, ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3321258447D for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:24:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DDD2580720 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140716172426.HEDC29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:24:26 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id T5QR1o00b0jfpza015QSse; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:24:26 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=kj8lc1ev0FG8D6m9uLsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=1fMe8s2OcekA:10 a=TjAejzNheIQA:10 a=tiE5eGh6zKcA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=IoO4asy_YzsA:10 a=ncNHfKXo4yoA:10 a=bTvY5xu_V_0A:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:24:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+hGpb9jKlW9MaETUSxIuCPmtmjdw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] C3 Corvette Assistance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO If anybody knows anything about C3 Vettes, please contact me offline at jpaynepbr@cox.net . I am helping to move one along for a friend. Thanks, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C1A2584485 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F2D2580559 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 15:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T6kj1o0051c6gX85B9kXQ6; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:44:31 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id T9kX1o00E2ymm843j9kX40; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:44:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:44:30 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumph List s=q20140121; t=1405547071; bh=Ya48oDO1tQ4z7nCAR5EyV6OG2qiHzBVR8Hvs90kgK08=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=R+1EO7MEPEBDK1aM6A1AAaehF/ZQkoBVg8KBBmzlWqROuWvRKN2eAtIm2HSapdwAX AxdeZJ8estta0NpXyhd4syu8c/gwEpnAiQyMUtPjQ9WyO9eryjpVoZ458PlMMyqwgP LNcJR5EVzL+jdgxSXQOwA8QNoP8o/Nf3FZyYHTCvZ1Osqt9HnDDWR2BS7gmuY6aSE9 rhZewa6QFX9w5t1sjTAFrCDn261IWqGPrR44qlmiAtpoWTQhTUHLy8JQOE03Z/fSJM Gn8U+GKGqtRFLKxfv4QjKNcM909v7HVwzkpVWjTqWWx9InEBx0Ul23A/7XoPr+D22o RgICEhrC+2WfA== Subject: [TR] TR3A Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thank you, everyone, for your replies to my coil issue. Did pick up a Bosch (lite) blue 3 ohm coil and installed it today. Car started right up and beautiful hot spark! Especially appreciate the link that I think Bob? sent from Amazon. Now a generic question I've wondered about: would a 1.5 ohm coil run a cold engine temporarily before shutting down? Or would it simply not run at all? Again, thank you all. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire, where rain the last couple of days meant I missed no summer driving time.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B702584491 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:47:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963D2580722 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:47:08 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=fFz6IxoLgnJL/HjnB0SbIHG2VDu9Q4wirVSSlNhIWzThR8vWox4JLNYrIwpFLfry; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus-Status:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from user-0c93ujd.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.250.109] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1X7Xyw-0004FZ-FA for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:47:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:47:29 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <8D16DC4E376AB96-3098-178E1@webmail-m211.sysops.aol.com> <53C453D0.4020207@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 190 [rack and pinion] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Rimmer Brothers lists the same steering rack for both TR6 and GT6 http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-306830 Though the parts manuals I have indicate numbers TR6- 306830 and GT6 307831. I don't know about the inner tie rods. Roger Elliott On 7/14/2014 5:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Jody007 wrote: >> Question!!! >> >> Are TR6 and GT6 steering rack and pinions assembles interchangeable? > > As I recall the main casting and rack are the same, the inner tie rods > are different > and one has N teeth on the pinion, the other N + 1. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5252584491 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:56:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E666A25802EB for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:56:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-107-1.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.107.1]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N8T002LUX5P47A0@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 23:56:16 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-16_08:2014-07-16,2014-07-16,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407160267 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 16:56:09 -0700 References: <1829136326.568571.1405547070656.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:44 PM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > Now a generic question I've wondered about: would a 1.5 ohm coil run a cold engine temporarily before shutting down? Or would it simply not run at all? If your low-tension ignition circuit can handle the extra current (twice what it would see with a 3 ohm coil), then it should run. It will also generate more voltage on the high-tension side, which could cause problems, too. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DF2258447B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:27:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318022584476 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:26:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id v6so1199202lbi.38 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WABd78mGy7YWXX+zmA9Au4DQ+ps+GQMLAvEx2xgqaVE=; b=xjM//QMnVz++LKw25kZ+FC2tx3JUH11c3OHhqafj7Ol5DQdi3CHUpAe3fQ0xcutb8W U4dXaLUNNmNqE1TLSNGnZVQrpvC4mZUXXVU4NhJBLb4TWvxrJMdQhg3rtn33n/P0XeNH 3lZr0D2oWIgAC6MAEtJ/hszmXlAncNhui8Ux0f0EEHKgpGN5SckW8EgCEd7qrE7srYav 3bZLL7NLaJMJwxp0rznFJbktEunA72ENRifrvzuMrXPXojF77bCn17tnXSUeR8QsloQY xqu7kXF68Ib58DAfMB6F8sGJ/xbIbjSjmYzUyPy6Ww9s2KfSg6c3R1s9vUN9vFJ0Jhfi uIhA== g6mr17685355lah.54.1405560431130; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 18:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:27:11 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] TR6 Gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Got my gearbox put back together tonight...as I was putting the seal in the front housing, I noticed that the flange between the seal and the housing had a crack in it. I dont' know if it was there already (I didn't see it when I cleaned it) or if I put it there while knocking the seal into the housing... See http://fishplate.org/vehicles/tr6/gearbox/gearbox_seal.jpg I'm not sure what function that flange performs, but I can imagine the destruction if it broke off. Anyone got a good used front seal housing for a late TR6 gearbox? TIA, Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7767925844FD for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:30:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591A25844AC for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:29:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 54/0B-11986-C3347C35; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 03:30:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:30:09 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+hPyHaVzupO1jhQiyKYTsNnCSOQwALgwvA Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Now a generic question I've wondered about: would a 1.5 ohm > coil run a cold engine temporarily before shutting down? Or > would it simply not run at all? Nope, runs fine for awhile. ISTR it was several hours before the point rubbing block melted. And I disagree with Darrell, it won't generate any more output unless your battery voltage is way down or you are running at high rpm. Once the core saturates, the excess current just gets wasted as heat. As I've mentioned before, a ballast resistor is reasonably cheap at any FLAPS. If you need to use a 1.5 ohm coil for whatever reason, just stick a resistor in series with it. If they insist on knowing the application, tell them it's for a 68 Dodge Dart with a 225 slant six. RockAuto has them for a whopping $2.50 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D559225844E1 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EE725844AC for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.25] (75-175-107-1.ptld.qwest.net [75.175.107.1]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N8U00IZ57YL8280@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 03:49:35 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-17_01:2014-07-16,2014-07-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407170048 From: Darrell Walker Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:49:28 -0700 References: <54.0B.11986.C3347C35@cdptpa-oedge03> To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:30 PM, Randall wrote: > And I disagree with Darrell, it won't generate any more output unless your battery voltage is way down or you are running at high > rpm. Once the core saturates, the excess current just gets wasted as heat. You are right. Ive just been looking at coils a lot lately, and the lower resistance ones tend to be rated at a higher output voltage. But thats a function of other characteristics of the coil. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D52C25844FF for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBDE2580813 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 22:30:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id ij19so3536214vcb.39 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:30:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=J/Ns6/H+gVsIM+7ZbS/mTgV3VO2uiyYpV4k0y1aDcjo=; b=o0ibrGZc/TA1kmyhkMCogC5l/8pH0ROR4nuBnwg0Ca+BEAsDqomdP8nDARwUd2XfSn rZLipNgDfQKDiyryVTEBBo8yR8iuaBhcASjevEWb5tNJIfKoGjBSM1rEEeUf2zptf0x7 68558DR+jUXx45d1i0VTWO9Ai8RGmeijY791nwJ2kagDHI5DhQIVfWLzJS7nzUsBp0M6 DrZDZ9lRS4sEC/ORPSW0G9N+7UM8o+ciNdhfDFckKQc2LWOXpSWGBlfBOpI1to/YLCpd 7iXkvevr1m89PnWf+b0ddZfxGByOauMTouxX2EXdvs1Z2Cq8kc35Wk3ilvjyrIwEuYJe 3LVQ== gv2mr11820394vdb.47.1405571420418; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:30:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <1829136326.568571.1405547070656.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <54.0B.11986.C3347C35@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:30:20 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Randall wrote: > > As I've mentioned before, a ballast resistor is reasonably cheap at any > FLAPS. If you need to use a 1.5 ohm coil for whatever > reason, just stick a resistor in series with it. If they insist on > knowing the application, tell them it's for a 68 Dodge Dart with > a 225 slant six. RockAuto has them for a whopping $2.50 > Free to good home, yours for the price of postage: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/BallastResistor.jpg Though it may be cheaper to buy local. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF624258450A for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:54:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2BF2584500; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 06:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.72.34]) by p3plsmtpa09-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id TQty1o00o0kNx9S01Qu7do; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:54:09 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 08:54:04 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+hviaKGqPA1UyETLusezi5hfz8VA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Tough Clutch - second attempt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Lists: attached is a question from a friend who owns a TR6 and is having issues. Since I am temporarily devoid of a 6-cylinder at present (J), I couldn't go take a look. Does anyone out there have any suggestions? Andrew Uprichard Hi Andrew, Year before last we did a lot of work on the clutch to my TR-6. New slave, new master, new fly wheel new clutch, just about everything. The clutch still works hard. Works fine but a lot of pressure is required to depress clutch pedal. Nothing near to what it was like before all my clutch problems. The pedal might move easier if I could get some grease in the bushing. Is there an easy way to do that or does it have to be dismantled? Any other thoughts? Will it possibly loosen up with use? Thanks for any thoughts or help you or the group might have. Walt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:44 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA91E2584512 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:31:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-we0-f170.google.com (mail-we0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867A325844AC for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-we0-f170.google.com with SMTP id w62so3486530wes.1 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GNH7Ay/Xsoam8SRnsndYPcLoHDkgw+0pCsD3ejd72nM=; b=Gff9hdEB4F5UmhFf4M085e3MbP9vY9wjcayzDO10+08A6uJH0r+8TnCWtG6cSWX2rW ArXook2BFHSrkQKoHn20F6tnqdoKqlsJPz1UMtlVpfz/5Scxx5ee1xiRs1OumgVl1PRC pzrLqmaukSxtNk5ab1dCalfpoPhpCITCDfCokWL1TeSNH/KmT3iG2MWYCBpRNF+a0Ozd +03slKBnPqZfP/Qyc6FsK9JmL9inukyjVGOePbA7mlKzYoKiUWU327RfWKanb2jIEmkq 3wSK0Er1ZNp2uznIbGk45gvntVztQ7gVtynVPl3sEXl4vrPQf2cdrKjtsx9hu92FBYSW pCmA== p6mr25144124wix.22.1405621877351; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.80.97 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:31:17 -0400 From: Benjamin Zwissler To: auprichard@uprichard.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tough Cutch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Andrew, In my experience pedal effort is mostly a function of the pressure plate you use so he's likely stuck with it unless you change the plate. The linkage geometry can affect it, but if you used the same parts for that then that shouldn't have changed. Which hole on the lever you put the slave cylinder rod into will change the throw and effort. You can go to the whole farthest out from the pivot to get the lowest effort but you'll have to push the pedal further. There are three holes on a TR4A, and I think the TR6 is the same. The lowest hole gives the most mechanical advantage but if the travel isn't enough you may not be able to fully release the clutch. Ben.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A59C2584528 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0555A2580811 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 13:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm34.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2014 19:44:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.196] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2014 19:44:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2014 19:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 61427 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2014 19:44:10 -0000 s=s1024; t=1405626250; bh=7xfbHQeTUluBUxupZSM5XKg1RLvXL5i9tKlf1X0VaC8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zPm7kvFoQRU1aOYi8DlB7cH0LoOCOxwj628x6Zw9hVefj82OzLlSKBreUkuTWTKKcsb+nldXdRgJ4WGpa5mBRPWRpiC8GNVoUK6T2XaRnJ+hQtix4Q3h9t3mwZehQ+F9/ZYwYOCbMw1rBVTwj3xFVfydpczW7OoBTGJJNzW91j0= mutSn_5MzOzG9.Gg4sVGnrLcmBebu6wS6mMeHIjP7y2YlwgU2w3QKXKkTlTh OX2ADqFhO1QGfRkTOglO9KY.ntold5FZI24OvUPS2bUegWSP5XkV_QdTaG8p ykEtiaceSgkqEURqCRYI.hZei4TLYlGPWTON20XnHBco3kxNe7zA69liwjJg KwfzV1wQvgMusr1YwrhHoyHGSPBl3W1p.tHQxKwj9oLc7oQPZo_FFQ8gYFKW FU8wx_DEqIlKy6DWOOS8f9BgkxbfGnKjsghuQoYeq7XGLucmhgQC6TgpJf72 .hAC7MMI53t.ydfJTQEYoHtIVuh4s79crF.sww_ty6CgOePSGGTqhES7hSRy ZRpGw7X94mofjp7bQCvbyNZqMbBefjkUVBfmCaqEstMp1kv0w6ibqkmYRrfZ ACUdnzM5VOAYEaE8eySkLz0du60ij7HCZ8EmHcEGIGM1GTGz5DDk0av.Bi9I yTSeRD4G65nDby20zOilxcU95CP2FJ5goskOUzYrXNaKC0GKzHQhuhinr Received: from [12.172.88.242] by web141405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:44:10 PDT d2FzIGxvb2tpbmcgYXQgcGhvdG9zIG9mIFRSMydzIHRoYXQgaSBoYWQgdGFrZW4gdG8gcmVmcmVzaCBteSBtZW1vcnkgb2YgZmluaXNoaW5nIHBhcnRzLgoKdGhlcmUgaXMgYSByaWdpZCBkb2dsZWcgc2hhcGUgcGllY2Ugb2Ygd2VhdGhlcnN0cmlwIHRoYXQgZ29lcyB1cCB0aGUgQSBwaWxsYXIuIGl0cyByaWdpZCwgY2FycGV0ZWQgYW5kIGhhcyBhIGZsb2NrZWQgYnVsYiBzZWFsIHRoYXQgc2VhbHMgdXAgYWdhaW5zdCB0aGUgZG9vci4KCm9uIHRoZSBCIHBpbGxhciB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIGZsb2NrZWQgYnVsYiABMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 12:44:10 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] TR3 weather seals Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO was looking at photos of TR3's that i had taken to refresh my memory of finishing parts. there is a rigid dogleg shape piece of weatherstrip that goes up the A pillar. its rigid, carpeted and has a flocked bulb seal that seals up against the door. on the B pillar there is a flocked bulb seal that tacks onto the fiber filling inside the B pillar. any ideas on where these are available? don't see them on moss, vic brit or macy's. the roadster factory describes them differently. thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FBF2584563 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:58:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0A5258453B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:57:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1DCBA1C00BD for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 16:58:12 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Lucas bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Anyone know where to get replacement bulbs for my Lucas 545 driving lights? Moss says they don't have them and don't know when they will Can't find them anywhere else. Wouldn't mind getting some higher quality ones ... Thanks Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28122584565 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:33:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC4F258453B for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 17:33:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vwm15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm15.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.45]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0N8V00E7HQSMO101@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [69.119.84.99] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:33:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: carroll phillips To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: [TR] late TR3 A rear clip needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Need a good rear body clip ( or parts car ) from the B posts back for a TR3AB ( late 1960 which has the squared rear shelf for seat)) . Ours took a bad hit some time in its racing life. Now doing a total resto and find it was beyond getting right from previous botched repairs (really was that bad).B Any help or leads would be greatly appreciated. Located in Orange Co. New York, would prefer no to travelB too far ( lower east coast to mid west). Trying to save another one, Carroll ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586C02584551 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECE0258080F for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2014 22:32:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.12] helo=walmailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1X7zqw-0006bL-6D for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:33:02 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1X7zqw-0003dR-1e; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:33:02 -0400 Received: from webmail06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.6]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id TgZ11o01007qtNJ01gZ1rm; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:33:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=GQPr8ARfAAAA:8 a=NTKeduVtV6h2GBjbPy4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MWhJi2FnYHwA:10 a=zFVSe552fOMA:10 a=Zqv86_qdTboA:10 a=NisfUE6iTcIA:10 a=i+AtV7tN9noHOn3lMxEsBA==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1X7zqj-0000Kk-Az; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:32:49 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:32:49 -0400 References: <5AA4C6FD-7380-454C-A2DC-B9F6AFBCF8C4@bcdef.net> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 00:32:49 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Alexander Delis" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO You didnt state the lamp part number, but you might find them here. http://jollyrogersmotors.com/catalog/99 Greg G. Osseo, MN > Anyone know where to get replacement bulbs for my Lucas 545 driving > lights? > > Moss says they don't have them and don't know when they will > > Can't find them anywhere else. > > Wouldn't mind getting some higher quality ones ... > > Thanks > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCE42584612 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:03:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8D52580B12 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 49/2F-27317-D2739C35; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:03:10 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Alexander Delis'" , "'Triumph List'" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:03:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+iAdbVT2WpDp/oR/Cj8eD9WbhpvQAlvsjQ Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Anyone know where to get replacement bulbs for my Lucas 545 > driving lights? Are you sure that's the right Lucas model number? The only listing for Lucas 545 lights that I could find was for "side lamps" (or possibly combination side and turn). A photo of the bulb might help, if you can't find the bulb number. Lucas had their own numbering scheme, but replacements are usually available from various LBC suppliers if you know what you need. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1162584612 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f43.google.com (mail-qg0-f43.google.com [209.85.192.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB032580680 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:28:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id a108so3285719qge.2 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:29:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=wFNeDP4DqxpaRVhHrB67a1SEl63IxrjGPJq/VjF3JNY=; b=yboZ8BsFRKV5xM3OvTv74I/Jh+TEQuvOPBpz6Lhnn4UvHMuqL6BjVvFYplmBfcSF5U PVYuKPfhuIlpWbO8sy92hCtAnf+gE5wsgAkFRepzE2/mJuBXB1ItW6q9ddGsX2Q/DNkL fHQPzgR9tzVUT0HyIUPs51UklRp1vA7OQw3JPWm9GSrzL5ZZJDkwvPMspg/nFuKqjigS jxALI33tOg79yM8dNbBXlVXKTGncOvEQdnW9O6VKsA1hBnRWjNK4jCe+YYSDFbzStgFP SaSkE8IHkhirFtUrlKCdbMQNXgqVIYXytKqIvSMW0p0lx4s6k4XAJwesnL6gQ0QlXX49 XNHg== d4mr8883260qac.61.1405697357741; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.25.84 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:28:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <5AA4C6FD-7380-454C-A2DC-B9F6AFBCF8C4@bcdef.net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:28:57 -0500 To: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO A typical vintage Lucas "driving light" -- say a SLR576, the kind with a long pencil beam and a plain glass front lens-- will take a 48W BPF (British Pre Focus) bulb with an axial filament. The filament is in the line of travel of the beam. Lucas bulb number 185 (12V). A Lucas fog light of the period -- say a SFT576, the kind with a flat wide beam and a fluted glass front lens -- will take a bulb with the same wattage and base, but the filament will be transverse -- crosswise the the direction of travel of the beam. Lucas bulb number 323 (12V). Here's an image to make that clearer (it is kind of confusing). Driving/pencil beam on the left, fog on the right. http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-B4jpFST/0/L/i-B4jpFST-L.jpg People will sometims mix up the bulbs for the lamp style. They'll still put out light, of course, but it won't be as well-controlled. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Delis wrote: > Anyone know where to get replacement bulbs for my Lucas 545 driving lights? > > Moss says they don't have them and don't know when they will > > Can't find them anywhere else. > > Wouldn't mind getting some higher quality ones ... > > Thanks > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D681258051C for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:57:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8627A2580499 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 21:57:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55014] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id BC/DB-27317-5BCE9C35; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 03:57:41 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:57:44 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+inQvilYzgSsMRRbCJ/skcu/4H8AAZ5aog Subject: Re: [TR] Lucas bulbs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > A typical vintage Lucas "driving light" -- say a SLR576, the > kind with a > long pencil beam and a plain glass front lens-- will take a 48W BPF > (British Pre Focus) bulb with an axial filament. The > filament is in the > line of travel of the beam. Lucas bulb number 185 (12V). While I'm sure Don is right about "typical", I thought it interesting that the Lucas 400e Master Catalog shows quite a few different bulbs for various part numbers of SLR576, including the 323 transverse filament and 685 which is an amber axial filament. And that's only for 12 volts, the SLR576 was also available in 6 volt and 24 volt versions. The SFT576 fog lamps had even more options, including some dual filament bulbs. I couldn't find anyone in the US that claims to stock the 185 bulb at a reasonable price; but I sent Alex some links to Holden & MGOC in the UK, who have them listed. Holden actually lists a halogen substitute (with the same base), MGOC doesn't say. Canley shows them as "out of stock, available to order", which might mean they expect to get more (or not). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB6E2584ABC for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:15:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F467258053B for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l6so4472971qcy.3 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:15:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=UKJPZZXN9qY7YM5RThr18qCc70KnILWyBt+vFM6SuGs=; b=0XU6vB9x/nRi+zgGszBvU1OIF42I2fWE1JDmTOg/wn26B0InPYU53VsXmtOFSuYZf+ OZmi1m+rI14yYfc10AghUmjHCiEJ7xLy4wzUHaXnBxqOahIJDmun+cbcvQR8WboFoC4V TeYsN/obbEYt4IqDHf7Cp5QfeIbh4e0JpXDlx6x4096mZA2YDh48cyKAHLDR/7zxouM5 EHtf8V5bkkrYSVI7noUmjd1X47EP/JhwNoI7r0/4YFO6iEM2OIqAXlk9Mq7P7/hAvQTg ts5s4exG29cK+kUd5jIdL6zVOAhblKVpG51OFURqfU5dfo/HhWddPCgTTjle2zl2ab/F a23g== h90mr20780560qgd.80.1405793727620; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.25.84 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:15:07 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO NFI. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Other-Roadster-1962-TR4-ORIGINAL-CA-CAR-RUST-FREE-RESTORED-ORIGINAL-DETAILED-HISTORY-/321465220384?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ad8d1fd20&item=321465220384&pt=US_Cars_Trucks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C70F2584AE8 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:27:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912BD2580701 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:27:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UJ7w1o0021GhbT85DJU0zM; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:28:00 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UJU01o0082ymm843TJU0Ut; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:28:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:28:00 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumphs s=q20140121; t=1405794480; bh=vVLyQc4m8C7bSQuc/iciJkt0RWRwk4Dl6f9k9jRCeUQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=lQt0hSh/1bd/LI0fV0MUuURr1HZrNFWOULJWYJXnIVFI5SuFTLAR9coYyXERETZP2 CcwwmoU8zridvJu8GE+hjCzj7zPjh0FCmD98mezdBg/EMqWa0c5HFtRsmLVaBbM1SW c76ntQQAainkjr6Y9QPH70lcX0dAlNhhBeGucEy/blB6sGFEaOp2revn75d2cDmzXZ IlaV3rtsdtYAYHXxqK5ZoHqJyGti4R0waO0QgXgwteMS3D0NVDvtuhHwE3eF0NRI5q hWIk5YznDq7u9FAdDC7SY/0O9wEtXtquk1xP/y73eFyjPyx41BFVbg0sAF4BN6eCug QROxIz2Q+ixcw== Subject: [TR] New Bosch Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Tested the new (lite) blue Bosch coil with a screwdriver to number 3 cylinder grounded against the valve cover. Couldn't see any spark. ...Uhm...that was because I dropped the screwdriver when the shock jolted all the way through the screwdriver's insulated handle. I decided a visual wasn't necessary. Is there value in widening the plug gap? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44412584AE7 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:28:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3254E2584AC0 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 12:27:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:51988] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 14/49-27317-2B8BAC35; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:28:02 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumphs" References: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:28:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Never thought I'd say this in the same sentence, but, $17,999 for a TR4, doesn't look like too bad a deal, pretty car. I remember when people were restoring TR2s and 3s, and showing their well cared for or refurbished TR6s, and TR4s and 4As, particularly nice ones, were nowhere to be found. The cars were underappreciated, pretty sure that has all changed, and rightfully so in my opinion. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9D2580735 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:17:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA10A2580499 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:17:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854142C0087 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:17:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:17:55 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <278929183.598479.1405794480263.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] New Bosch Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > Is there value in widening the plug gap? For points systems I stick with 25, go to 35 - 40 for electronic. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450BE2580731 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8976258068A for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so9800497vcb.36 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zCYeiGD2jdB6nSz9usnOMh0e/nLI0CtQBcuHniMoAMU=; b=C/6WvXALLLtnf8SzqBs+dXE3687C25Wa67SBwSXkS8klskvKPnc5crz15up0ESTsC5 Xe8/aGuC2hkC/DjYK2pP3E+dnBlx5Wgwmbxe62O0mqNLxSco0/cp4WzLzlKvUblHDoIj c7YHFsQu8nUqH8W02bEsywDz44HEQr0vuIQtfPRIU5UjmLBJsXNo1S9jOkzB3gzEUIxC Stu/N44mra3evkm5o0unW/wh8z1eQf1xLOBOlTN0BJkj4gfmDqh/84esCh3Rr8WuVuQo JCEFYORHmPprehIDVCGnbQVK3sjrzuAuJu/f/oHPnzqAgG4G1tTIJlonKI9dFcX/RPIh elWg== cf1mr14619vcb.76.1405800481432; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:08:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Don Hiscock Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'll offer some comments (if that is what you seek): Seller says "*Since the entire car received a "complete" re-paint it does not appear as if any partial painting has been done*" but the paint job is not really complete, having omitted the engine bay and boot. This begs the question, What was the original color of the car? At a minimum one would want to see some photos of the car prior to the respray to assure oneself that the car was as rust free as claimed. Seller says "*Simply stated, the interior is in excellent original / condition having received improvements and cosmetic attention as needed*" but the interior is clearly not original nor as original. Perhaps those are Triumph seats, but not TR4 seats. The original carpet would have been grey. The rear upholstery is a replacement, possibly not correctly attached or possibly missing some parts. I think these generally had white piping on the black interior. Statement that it is the "* - Original jack... - Original jack handle*" is incorrect, this car would have had a screw jack that fits through the hole in the floorboard (similar to a TR3). Also appears a plain sheet of plywood has been substituted for the tire compartment lid. Note that buyers outside of California get to pay a $195 processing fee. None of this is to say this isn't a good car or worth something like the asking price -- but one would want to look beyond the sellers claims and judge the car for itself. At a minimum, deviations from what is claimed can be bargaining items should the sale come to that. Best of luck, Geo On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > NFI. > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Other-Roadster-1962-TR4-ORIGINAL-CA-CAR-RUST-FREE-RESTORED-ORIGINAL-DETAILED-HISTORY-/321465220384?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4ad8d1fd20&item=321465220384&pt=US_Cars_Trucks > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9062C2580731 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:10:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA8C2580701 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id id10so5065553vcb.21 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:10:55 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TYeQyQ+Dd7fNkjzISHvWhWh+uyTlfBghuCw5PBZ866Y=; b=qAHA25EuGJipibBY4zuET1+LjP/fpBDpwg1JP2NAj9skZqILP+lBRwOgslRK3t139R YNXmHfQWi1GJJE43GJU2lakkhZuEZGB3YWqq78jotg2VSjPCPH9o0l4BqyaSM4Ho6zFU O6iK8kRl31JNG/EfsTFSguPzoDCxs8GmrIG14X1tRo7tnowsiR4P6eMtFS9WgyFHLglB +mEy4jRtnkB5LpeYO6Rk/nMeE0dbqYimRQ3MAJL4ctIvgNttzUP9NOOgj7VSa9hwZB84 4cJkMl71B+2zW9GVoYJLsfIwMI/OV0Ng17lwRt5+6j7EcX0HWvgf/4LVbW0BXClHZ2pB dCOg== zx7mr14327949vdc.2.1405800655916; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:10:55 -0700 (PDT) References: <278929183.598479.1405794480263.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 13:10:55 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] New Bosch Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:28 AM, wrote: > > ...Uhm...that was because I dropped the screwdriver when the shock jolted > all the way through the screwdriver's insulated handle. > This is why you want to have your mother-in-law or perhaps a kid brother hold the screwdriver. You can then assess the quality of spark based on how high they jump. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0C425806DB for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89D9258068D for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ULlB1o0041uE5Es51LtcxR; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:53:36 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.138]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ULtc1o00D2ymm843cLtcP3; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:53:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:53:36 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Triumphs s=q20140121; t=1405803216; bh=R4I0zJefneVV09yimiSDMSEakxjX3XsduiJJ4vfPCqE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bdvJzeOo76i6mI7AT1eIye11f5DJSghQPMKTLrbeLW4G1IUOEH5SXGA/fMQAozfk+ 0yHxVTf8Gqc1Hq2pifXUqNTRS2Tgkhw+iku4mRO4Z+WYbIqHehYY0qjKokLHHP4Ms0 G9t4lYWjo1SMfIBdGCTP72Wj+PKQUXZBx6VkNu+m6ITg9oDS+l1QzjK6m76nbHSiQZ I+gTXaaJPjQ79sVRuN1jAQVY0zJ7UEb6LF45VtlvAiFoS7xHn3adTS/4Np2Z9qf24G 589YHhn+rA62jWW5KIDR7nYIP8xFuDzfu+Haia23NMqm4g/UowpQ8jhmrYMtBuR4OH 7K9lvIhLFyKgw== Subject: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I've decided to pay more attention to the spare parts I carry. And since archives are down, does anyone know the number of the fawcett fuel pump that works on TR3's. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6EE25806EB for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:15:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B972580604 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:15:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55025] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 57/F5-07747-9EFDAC35; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 21:15:22 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:15:24 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+jjYHGCHaCUAjBT8i2YdvKR/OwpwABfBsw Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > None of this is to say this isn't a good car or worth > something like the > asking price -- but one would want to look beyond the sellers > claims and > judge the car for itself. Remember, this is basically a used car dealer. Not necessarily dishonest, but they have to buy cheap and sell dear or they can't stay in business. The $195 "out of state" fee seems bogus to me as well. I'm guessing the ammeter never shows charge, as it appears the alternator is wired directly to the battery. Also a question for those more familiar with early TR4 than I am : Shouldn't the starter solenoid be up on the shelf, where it can be reached easily? In the photos, I don't see how you'd get your finger on the rubber button. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:46 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CF9258076D for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 16:19:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC697258069E for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 16:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id rp18so5528904iec.5 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5d9js5uYsIlXPWFjRUVysUlyX/5lK7/0nbwrcQ7QMr8=; b=VKspg9mqtzvKgTRifOtc0AzWDvbojd161BgTNJTdlnnhZMDn+VIyulW7wmZyvJ9wyS NQY8yhoNsHnRH2TdGxZhIZDFglr3Q247nCGT8NywtBsYGR1AM93FLiAbYL4fbv6ijxDT e0ctoXL2QYnWhEINBKqxjLqk38dKfQldvKKp1weMUWZXs0PoiVLL1ywHOiVyjQaPsErN 8ZXIVpLUE5emWxZfSjjnHDoGqWxim+f6Zz/ZA7g0KKA9/VBDFLFBVDplzcTdiqAo5Lfn L/pcq9BagPVR34uhllkXWx8znr9oEG77ELtC6qL3lbJXy076S1ah09IVpntYdJ1Vyrgi PgRw== y10mr55195876igl.10.1405808328509; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.91.133 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:18:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <57.F5.07747.9EFDAC35@cdptpa-oedge02> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:18:48 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Randall wrote: > > Also a question for those more familiar with early TR4 than I am : > Shouldn't the starter solenoid be up on the shelf, where it can > be reached easily? In the photos, I don't see how you'd get your finger > on the rubber button. > My recollection is that early TR4s had the button down there on the engine and at some point in production STC moved it to the shelf due to heat related problems -- so this one is possibly correct. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B4A2584897 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F7925806A2 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:10:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id im17so9704818vcb.31 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:11:02 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DVoU84SBVuMIi7IzUPOD1q81jLvn9E3aRVYoB+WGkF8=; b=cARozDX7Mi6BVqN/ahuf5NAXYzPXb6I1UaNb7LNLAfakCaethEl4iVBOTDL2gI6kGB ARB585PiUR9ruhxI6a1mxYeNscRMEc+A7iB9UxoBviNSUWoNie8BtPUBOu6rracfbHuq PJAAn3sLfWSQH2+RjzmUlEe3o3ZqK/4FdJEehVqLmFK4xvjxeHB8v7QUJBCli8+buYzD xrkqorIRW9m/oUws+gXE6gq55MfbPJNrAJFwpXG69yGMabTfijMCiUOT4ug7Gsrwyxzi xnEffC2TMWo3/CDuN8OoZQTOetYU7nRVROtV1RyiQL9eFIgnkzDAtqXD9hdiCmqScq1t BJYA== j2mr14892486vds.43.1405815062036; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:11:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <57.F5.07747.9EFDAC35@cdptpa-oedge02> <000001cfa3a7$8cd18140$a67483c0$@rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:11:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Peter Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Somebody buy this (and stop me from thinking about it) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Yes, that is what I meant. I said 'on the engine' but looking at mine a few minutes ago it is indeed on the firewall near the engine (and not nearly as conveniently placed as the TR3's). On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Peter wrote: > All, > > My TR4 is an early'63. The starter solenoid is down on the front corner of > the passenger foot well. You have to reach down under the rear carburetor > to > get to it. > > PeteF ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817F22584897 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A13325806A2 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC602C0086 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:30:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:30:48 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <1562382705.599230.1405803216474.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Fawcett Electric Fuel Pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > I've decided to pay more attention to the spare parts I carry. And since archives are down Well, sort of. The archives ( link below for the real time folks ) are there and working. The current problem is that the data has not been updated for many months. I'm working on it at the moment, hope to make some good progress this evening. A lot of folks rely on the archives, I feel badly about them not working properly. mjb. ps: I did get 264 hits when searching for "facet" ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:47 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F6925848A2 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-04-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95F625806A5 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 18:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.117]) by p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id UQab1o0012Y8iQZ01QabJn; Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:34:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 20683 invoked by uid 99); 20 Jul 2014 00:34:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:34:35 -0700 User-Agent: MailAPI Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net From: dave@ranteer.com Subject: Re: [TR] New Bosch Coil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO +1 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TR] New Bosch Coil From: Mark J Bradakis Date: 2014 7 19 2:18 PM To: "Triumphs" CC: terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > Is there value in widening the plug gap? For points systems I stick with 25, go to 35 - 40 for electronic. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive