From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 08:49:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221052584564 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:49:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113F62584541 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Zqo11o0044oFfFQ01qo4ex; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 07:48:04 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:43:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] totally off topic well, sort of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net can anyone recommend a camera that I can mount easily, move from one car to another, that I can set to take a pictures say every 10 minutes, and how hard is it to put those pictures together into a bfilmb chronicling a car trip? in october Ibm going to the 6 pack event in mississippi. Ibd like to mount it in the tow beast, then move it to the triumph. then have a film of my adventure. and right now my son is on his way to yellowstone. Ibd love to have a film of his adventure. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 11:42:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388B5258459C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 906112580769 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 9032 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2014 17:42:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2014 17:42:31 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id ZtiR1o00f1NzpT901tiUpy; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:42:29 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=Eu4YelwjFQ4A:10 a=q9oioWoWtsoA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=85hBwvJXAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=96gHv1I0AAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WHF3_YQkkZ2B5bixbD0A:9 a=Xg6J10BAoTBzrNxd:21 a=mr6iFaM1hQEM6RlE:21 a=FvgxxJ4Q1p-JX4Iq:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=7PSAKWVjtmEA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=55862 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XDdK6-00017F-J6; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 11:42:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:42:18 -0500 To: "dave n" , From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] totally off topic well, sort of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 11:53:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824F82584B08 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:53:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S15.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s15.hotmail.com [65.55.116.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809EE2580769 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS38 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sat, 2 Aug 2014 10:53:54 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:53:56 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+uerrpHJctYSI7RiiGBxK81y/EsA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[BA25B430:01CFAE7A] Subject: [TR] TR4A grab handle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am working on a TR4A project. The passenger lower crash pad did not come with the car. So I bought one. I went to fit it up and it looks like there is a grab handle under the glove box on a TR4A. I don't have that grab handle. Would anybody have one they would be willing to sell? Creig Houghtaling St. Louis, MO 314 401 7817 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 12:02:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107FA2584B19 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:02:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 702EC2580769 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 12:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2352 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 2014 18:01:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 2014 18:01:24 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw2 with id Zu1H1o00C1NzpT901u1L0J; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:01:23 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=Eu4YelwjFQ4A:10 a=q9oioWoWtsoA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=96gHv1I0AAAA:20 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=iAw2GUKpzKnv4itJ10wA:9 a=94IaftphBoXH5TXN:21 a=h12I_breltP4PsmB:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=56047 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XDdcM-0000C0-1g; Sat, 02 Aug 2014 12:01:18 -0600 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2014 13:01:09 -0500 To: "dave n" , From: Tony Drews References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] totally off topic well, sort of Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Grr. Let my try that again copy / pasting through notepad to avoid any extra formatting... Go-pro. Does exactly what you're describing, many mounting options, not horribly expensive. One of my coworkers made this video on a day trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22mjF222qv0 How it was made About 1600 pictures 4 video recordings 2 GoPro cameras (1 mounted inside the Mini, 1 mounted to the outside of the Mini) Tony Drews At 09:43 AM 8/2/2014, dave n wrote: >can anyone recommend a camera that I can mount easily, move from one car to >another, that I can set to take a pictures say every 10 minutes, and how hard >is it to put those pictures together into a bfilmbchronicling a car >trip? > >in october Ibm going to the 6 pack event in mississippi. Ibd like to >mount it in the tow beast, then move it to the triumph. then have a film of >my adventure. and right now my son is on his way to yellowstone. Ibd love >to have a film of his adventure. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 2 18:59:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFABB258080A for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C482580403 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id a0r91o0041HpZEsA60zYTS; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 00:59:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id a0zW1o00n3eKESF8a0zXlq; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 00:59:32 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:59:30 -0600 To: Triumphs s=q20140121; t=1407027572; bh=4Y6nXwqd1YBET32dL3vuhcxZ+x2Srwb//dm/30usH/Y=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=mLrbGqDPw3gPApDZkkCee+VKqhjHniWeiPp1Fv3oR94rp04HBTYOOASbAJX3JbEgb RS3bEn93MpPEAYCkbbW2mj5B1vGO7xw2Z+cKLLAhs5eZn7SOkMR+cN3suaVPYupgl1 gsij/wdiypVUiSOsRtF8RF80pCa2v1LyCXbsF1zAuowHWvfJu/xcK5ynW1vTwFZGBc BO45UGUKNg3O26awhkv4IE4TGcuKgNW13ph7BvJu//EYjWyAoZa9OiSyHGTNeCgtMU UwT1rDAjJJ1QJv/eeyDYuJynC+uk86wEV+J/gsdiIycexNzhQRuI4Twb8/SwwF2nVL p4s5WAaN6TBCw== Subject: [TR] Spitfire Stock Valve Guide clearance? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What is the stock valve guide clearance for cast iron valve guides for a 1296 Spitfire? My manual seems to forgotten that detail. Goggle didnt help. Thanks Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 12:50:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149182584515 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 12:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.55.116.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BC82580451 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 12:48:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS11 ([65.55.116.8]) by BLU004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 3 Aug 2014 11:49:10 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:49:09 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+vS5xXFNMWL6TDTqSisM0b8r6nkA== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[9CEC3ED0:01CFAF4B] Subject: [TR] TR4A grab handle metal substructure needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I talked to a friend who can fabricate a replacement metal substructure for me. But if anyone on this list would know where I can find a used one to buy, that would probably be much easier. From: Will Daehler [mailto:will.daehler@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 9:07 PM To: creig555@live.com Subject: TR4A grab handle Creig There is a piece of complex and curved sheet metal that is screwed onto inside the padded and vinyl portion of that grab handle. It is NLS. Look for a TR4 that is being parted out, take the donor handle and remove the sheet metal piece and transfer it to the newer grab handle. Will Daehler 63 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 16:59:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4D62580499 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 16:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7802E258045E for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 16:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2014 22:59:32 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.247] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2014 22:59:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Aug 2014 22:59:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 22735 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2014 22:59:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407106771; bh=0tH9wdI8IGReqCYfNGPvPbxvZXwqZms7glkQvKckdmI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3Qmj2Lit27vRxkjzzSORH+yxVEb4tIzjycl2U82DaYCTdoUvjy6PQIm1aaU5BtLCKBJZ6VPTX6c2R7NHrbUKoYW/MypmxB4GJ5ZrMNlKu0tyN3avnsQ806s9lGp4S1HolweID08v6FO9K3u8WgJywGPJM6uW/il7G1n7UlfiGlo= RGbltBBLn449YjXQK1_aQkszOk7KW2yGr10X3TkQHOYApua0dTXy39HD0HRl aIAf.gmyCw.CziSp4QGbbNgnpmSpA_fRols8kww1IxMAcPatdYuKonOu1OJD .kn03JVoqmHWDbz5ij6G2v5h82IlGc7xC1ETX0Alf0EnfgmcTT4eqw.MQs6P CADt2oN61DZTpmJldvhTjvj49qroauVhqvABHjuZExXYGOb2xLvQllkG4Jpv TZyPhd4GphwQPDI6lLrWoqUKHQsmLtebCLaj86GFxm2EcYZRdJMO4OtoMZRT 7ca3a_MoKC78jIOEKQb6Hu1DdBgxUYd7BXnKcs6qRSbYfzkXlF3oyUCbt5wM F937ic1L8nGu7biRGIl4EQjus176xpAkN0a6ak7.2g8rOSpXww.kW2CwSNPi Y.2w2wTUVc.NTOLPLy8rr7f7.XM9s7DP8dHsy_I34X05BQJQvaiP_AtWh8xq 6t40n37CVtXWxB9FZOTXhlaEDXER9aZzgstjhKVTgbaX7_BGQjS9DOkRcNJb VLt0- Received: from [108.240.211.59] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2014 15:59:31 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBTbyBJIGhhdmUgdGhlIHRyYW5zIHR1bm5lbCBvZmYgb2YgdGhlIFRSM0EuIFdoZW4geW91IHRocm93IHRoZSBPRCBzd2l0Y2gsIG5vdGhpbmcgaGFwcGVucy4gSSBwdXQgYSB0ZXN0IGxpZ2h0IGF0IHRoZSBidWxsZXQgY29ubmVjdG9yIHRvIHRoZSBzb2xlbm9pZCBhbmQgZ2V0IGEgbGlnaHQuIE15IG11bHRpbWV0ZXIgaXMgZGVhZCBhbmQgSSBhbSBoZWFkaW5nIGludG8gdG93biBub3cgdG8gZ2V0IGEgOVYgYmF0dGVyeSB0byBnZXQgaXQgZ29pbmcgYWdhaW4gc28gSSBjYW4gbWVhc3VyZSB2b2wBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:59:31 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] More OD (electrical?) Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I have the trans tunnel off of the TR3A. When you throw the OD switch, nothing happens. I put a test light at the bullet connector to the solenoid and get a light. My multimeter is dead and I am heading into town now to get a 9V battery to get it going again so I can measure voltage going to the solenoid. I tried a battery charger on the solenoid on the workbench and it seemed to actuate well. I tried the battery charger test on the solenoid installed in the car and it didn't move. The circuit to the solenoid has a fuse that blew somewhere in my testing. I changed out the 20 amp fuse. It worked with the old solenoid as installed for about 15 years. The car has had a dead battery several times in the last month. Coincidence? Not sure what is going on there. My TRF repro OD switch is a little finicky and I have had to wiggle it side to side to get the OD to engage in the past. It is still that way. The trans and OD are topped off with oil. I tried the solenoid that came with the professionally rebuilt trans. It worked for about 500 miles and then the OD didn't engage anymore. I tried the solenoid that was in my last trans (that I changed out because it was rattling). It was working when I took it out, but now it doesn't work in the car. It is almost like the solenoid grounding path isn't complete. I have a woven grounding strap from the engine front plate to the frame. That should be good enough. Maybe I am not getting enough voltage to the solenoid when installed in the car, although my battery test should have taken care of that. Any ideas? Bill Brewer - Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 3 19:46:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA9725845C9 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55371258068E for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRJL1o0010S2fkCA1Rmsdj; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 01:46:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aRmr1o0023eKESF8VRmrSB; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 01:46:52 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 19:46:50 -0600 References: <1407106771.41821.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer s=q20140121; t=1407116812; bh=mOTjF+aFWlI19U4e5P6Q0gHd4FE7FC7QC8ghNITlPtw=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=U7BHGsLfcnCF9tgFNyRNEp7Y1Cuy6/saOGOtrlC2ePBjKCkAGpvhrgiLOeAmu5jIQ XYG4b6tGHqrIFxzc8yY4HZh29LM9YwPAqqS1LqI5gRTL3cLjR621ZaHiEWD9rX3s6x cc2ZnQEAYHNwxCVzoUmsLGEgRUQcWgl1Q6DE2FFcoFpjcat/Sisewpm05Nl+ZB/jFv bP3R9aru6v70BoNpul9BRg+tNZPn87iedRT8fUgZyofovHDFpbB9HROKElnm1mq/KI fA+f1vWAKRiWMAm4+2i7D5hI07Rr+l1FidEkjJ0n6ILJ6i8INgzuXLXpcRjY8DMpxh ToIfzLBtOT5+Q== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] More OD (electrical?) Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, You need to eliminate the relay as the problem. Did you do the Dan Masters check list? Bypass the relay by running a lead from the brown wire directly the yellow/purple on the relay to see if the solenoid engages. If it does then the relay is most likely bad. Burned contacts on a relay will allow the right voltage to the bullet on the solenoid and all seems well but burned contacts dont send enough current (amps) to the solenoid to energize the pulling coil in the solenoid. Steve Yott (see below) explained it to me when I had a bad solenoid. Also check the wires on the OD switch, the wires can appear to be attached but see if they wiggle, hence > This is normally caused by a bad relay. When the contacts as burned you > will see the voltage appearing on the wire you are talking about but not > enough current can pass through the contacts to supply the 20 amps needed to > induce the solenoid to engage, once actuated it should then drop to a 2 amp > current draw. > > What it boils down to is that resistance (burned contact) will read the > voltage through the connection but not allow enough current to pass. > > Steve Yott Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Aug 3, 2014, at 4:59 PM, William Brewer wrote: > So I have the trans tunnel off of the TR3A. When you throw the OD switch, > nothing happens. I put a test light at the bullet connector to the solenoid > and get a light. My multimeter is dead and I am heading into town now to get a > 9V battery to get it going again so I can measure voltage going to the > solenoid. > I tried a battery charger on the solenoid on the workbench and > it seemed to actuate well. > I tried the battery charger test on the > solenoid installed in the car and it didn't move. > The circuit to the > solenoid has a fuse that blew somewhere in my testing. I changed out the 20 > amp fuse. It worked with the old solenoid as installed for about 15 years. > > The car has had a dead battery several times in the last month. Coincidence? > Not sure what is going on there. > My TRF repro OD switch is a little > finicky and I have had to wiggle it side to side to get the OD to engage in > the past. It is still that way. > The trans and OD are topped off with oil. > I tried the solenoid that came with the professionally rebuilt trans. It > worked for about 500 miles and then the OD didn't engage anymore. I tried the > solenoid that was in my last trans (that I changed out because it was > rattling). It was working when I took it out, but now it doesn't work in the > car. > > It is almost like the solenoid grounding path isn't complete. I > have a woven grounding strap from the engine front plate to the frame. That > should be good enough. Maybe I am not getting enough voltage to the solenoid > when installed in the car, although my battery test should have taken care of > that. > > Any ideas? > > Bill Brewer - Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 09:35:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9477F2584448 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 09:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03292580041 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 09:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 73/DC-18786-A38AFD35; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 15:35:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:35:17 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+vbpgXrQtaLLp6R2yaRo/zxE3ZlwAiQIYg Subject: Re: [TR] More OD (electrical?) Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > So I have the trans tunnel off of the TR3A. When you > throw the OD switch, > nothing happens. I put a test light at the bullet connector > to the solenoid > and get a light. Was that with the solenoid still connected? > I tried a battery charger on the solenoid on the workbench and > it seemed to actuate well. > I tried the battery charger test on the > solenoid installed in the car and it didn't move. Sounds like a classic case of the pull-in coil not working. The holding coil will move the plunger, as long as it isn't connected to anything. > The circuit to the > solenoid has a fuse that blew somewhere in my testing. I > changed out the 20 > amp fuse. However, that sounds like the opposite problem; the solenoid wasn't able to move for some mechanical reason and the pull-in coil blew the fuse. Have you checked that it moves by hand when installed? > The car has had a dead battery several times in the last > month. Coincidence? Most likely; but I suppose it could indicate a relay problem. I'd tackle the OD problem first though, then check for leaks once that it solved. > Any ideas? Now that you've got your DMM going, check the voltage right at the solenoid, with the solenoid still connected. Press on the 'adjustment' lever on the opposite side, to make sure the solenoid can move. If it has 12v applied and doesn't move (but can move), then the solenoid is bad even if it was good before. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 17:48:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD50D2584610 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE0F25845E9 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N9T00LTK3HB4240@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 18:48:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Triumphs" References: <1407106771.41821.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 19:48:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '56 small mouth TR and am looking for two of the door pull finishers. None of the big 3 have it available. Does anyone have a source for one or a similar item that could be used? Not going for concours but would like to stay close to original. TIA Pete ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:01:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE33C258461E for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:01:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3DD25807BE for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140805000134.GHEN28942.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:01:34 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id ao1Z1o00C0jfpza01o1ZGW; Mon, 04 Aug 2014 20:01:33 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=M0g0PuwqESoA:10 a=fGDho74y6kkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=67-imrwY3jNVMNkPdxMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Pete Ryner'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <1407106771.41821.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:01:34 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHMxTfBP096wxkeYgnTS1N8DVgZrwHtXcwGm7eLDgA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Home depot sells some sort of 'sash cord' that is a dead ringer for the TR pull cable. I got some in a bag with one of my project cars. I believe that they have little chrome finishing ends for it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pete Ryner Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 4:49 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] early TR door pull finisher I have a '56 small mouth TR and am looking for two of the door pull finishers. None of the big 3 have it available. Does anyone have a source for one or a similar item that could be used? Not going for concours but would like to stay close to original. TIA Pete ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 4 18:20:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D58258466F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D9125845FE for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 18:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aag01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aag01.mx.aol.com [172.26.126.79]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5448D70002C70 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mea08a.mail.aol.com (core-mea08.mail.aol.com [172.27.62.8]) by mtaomg-aag01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1441A38000085 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Loumetelko@aol.com Full-name: Loumetelko Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1407198028; bh=Rm3pFAKyjYNUuyM0hj2jbRPc+LMSwITWlnRBgti3zZs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bbk8dStbFi7BzztL6uqkyIkcUcxFWrpSFpYAr3VP7H9mZKGCUBTDX6nxukgNXe5HZ uGBcQS+n6EOjMGQ8LVZzZ6U0UOsOE6E6a1TnXO67wb58eUs04nBUmILYanTs0Q1dnm CNxQNiF96hrmOlLE7lQtbD1K8tXz/RlVhhyhlP1o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7e4f53e0234c7c41 Subject: Re: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a '56 small mouth TR and am looking for two of the door pull finishers. Pete: Send a note to Mark Macy. He just might have a pair for you or he will send you in the right direction. _mark@macysgarage.com_ (mailto:mark@macysgarage.com) Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 03:20:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5A6258469B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 03:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10002580475 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 03:19:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0N9T006JQTXF4GG0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 05:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 05:21:40 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1407106771.41821.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <15F339EF5EE440638EBE48A2FFD52A6F@HomePC> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Macy's web site lists the door strap kit: http://www.macysgarage.com/myweb6/Parts/other_tr2_3_parts.htm#TR2/3%20Door%20Latch%20Pull%20Straps George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 8/4/2014 7:48 PM, Pete Ryner wrote: > I have a '56 small mouth TR and am looking for two of the door pull > finishers. None of the big 3 have it available. Does anyone have a > source for one or a similar item that could be used? Not going for > concours but would like to stay close to original. > TIA > Pete > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 05:36:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F062584AD9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 05:36:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27B92584742 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 05:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N9T00783ZG4T310@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 06:19:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "George Richardson" , References: <1407106771.41821.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <15F339EF5EE440638EBE48A2FFD52A6F@HomePC> <53E0A224.50903@key-men.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 07:19:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks all for the link to Macys Garage. Pete -----Original Message----- From: George Richardson Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] early TR door pull finisher Macy's web site lists the door strap kit: http://www.macysgarage.com/myweb6/Parts/other_tr2_3_parts.htm#TR2/3%20Door%20Latch%20Pull%20Straps George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 8/4/2014 7:48 PM, Pete Ryner wrote: > I have a '56 small mouth TR and am looking for two of the door pull > finishers. None of the big 3 have it available. Does anyone have a source > for one or a similar item that could be used? Not going for concours but > would like to stay close to original. > TIA > Pete > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 08:21:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857B025807CE for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:21:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B025803B3 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id eu11so1509630pac.4 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 07:21:25 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HIET/WZ8bgMjg4TmEEHx4edKiBAcFN2aCyF4nuVj450=; b=MUCYVuywL8kkyYvZRCquxcKtlB8qXAMhW0B88gik9f3K+svEFt3S9GhLOX88ReOLux DisIXI0zGmEa3+uh5Tk+GZbscoPIG/tpwXBlv26kkz7gvH0Dnp0qYkN3vPvcKCWoKBFt kyq6ohZv5k09mpWSRlMSHhLsGkWFz4uP+bp8i0UKJsHaeDkuOKTf3X2gcVmHSJmmsrcg hQU1CcjOaPddV24Tng4Fk3Z01sQagABI1kikubUALRGmM24CdPTzD5pX81kDTniH2bVu yQYLRHhoFpVPMoks3xwA05ZxzKUXCIFpRILmbVMf27xpzuoO3BJPH/H2Z3OV0CmIK0ac NwvA== xo7mr4294600pbc.161.1407248485051; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 07:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.131 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 07:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 10:21:24 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 - TR6 front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to do an analysis of the front suspension dimensional differences between the early TR4 cars and the TR4A and later cars. Below are some assumptions that I've made: The lower a-arms are the same from tr4 thru tr6. The upper a-arms are the same from later tr4 thru tr6. The vertical links are dimensionally the same except for camber/castor angle changes. I'm pretty sure the lower spring pans are the same with probably only slight differences but I believe the basic dimensions are the same. The upper fulcrums are the same just the orientation changes between tr4 and later tr4 thru tr6. Since the vertical links are the same overall length that should mean the distance between the upper fulcrum pivot point and the lower a-arm pivot point (on the frame) should be the same for all models. With all of that being said that tells me the installed spring height from the lower spring pan seat to the upper spring seat should be the same for all models. I'm betting the overall front end weight is pretty close between the 4 and 6 cylinder cars as I've read that the stock spring rate between 4s and 250s is only about 2 pounds (310 vs 312) So my unless I'm missing something then springs that are 10.1 inches tall from a tr250 should fit in a tr4 that originally had 9-3/4" springs and a 1-1/4" packing piece. In other words the 10.1" springs (and no packing piece) should be a direct swap for the 9-3/4" spring it its associated 1-1/4" packing piece. Anyone see any holes in my logic? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:18:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F00D25848AA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:18:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12C3325800A6 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23383 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2014 17:12:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2014 17:12:11 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id b5C51o00q1NzpT9015C8mz; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:12:09 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=HmJhzizNjjsA:10 a=RyzxyRH5SP8A:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=L8hdxqKMo7p134eEjqIA:9 a=BP-Fgh0GWLHeHhCk:21 a=y7nCxtFXp8OomZ8y:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GcnAxlqn2XoA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=61651 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XEiHO-00039t-Mp; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:12:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:11:57 -0500 To: Brad Kahler ,Triumphs From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 - TR6 front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Lower A-Arms changed between the TR-4 (with 3 degrees of castor) and the TR-6 (with 3 degrees of castor), possibly when they went to the TR-4A IRS with the adjustable lower A-arm brackets. Vertical link changed between the TR-4 and TR-250 / TR-6 - went from studs sticking out of the lower trunnion to one with a bolt through the lower trunnion. The lower trunnion width changed with that, the "screw" that goes into the trunnion is larger diameter and shorter in the TR-6, and the location of the bolt / pivot changed in a way that lowers the car. Spring pans are the same. http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm But, the springs will fit, but will be a bit shorter than the original if I'm doing my math right: 9.75 + 1.25 = 11" vs 10.1" Tony At 09:21 AM 8/5/2014, Brad Kahler wrote: >I'm trying to do an analysis of the front suspension dimensional >differences between the early TR4 cars and the TR4A and later cars. > >Below are some assumptions that I've made: > >The lower a-arms are the same from tr4 thru tr6. The upper a-arms are the >same from later tr4 thru tr6. The vertical links are dimensionally the same >except for camber/castor angle changes. I'm pretty sure the lower spring >pans are the same with probably only slight differences but I believe the >basic dimensions are the same. The upper fulcrums are the same just the >orientation changes between tr4 and later tr4 thru tr6. > >Since the vertical links are the same overall length that should mean the >distance between the upper fulcrum pivot point and the lower a-arm pivot >point (on the frame) should be the same for all models. With all of that >being said that tells me the installed spring height from the lower spring >pan seat to the upper spring seat should be the same for all models. > >I'm betting the overall front end weight is pretty close between the 4 and >6 cylinder cars as I've read that the stock spring rate between 4s and 250s >is only about 2 pounds (310 vs 312) > >So my unless I'm missing something then springs that are 10.1 inches tall >from a tr250 should fit in a tr4 that originally had 9-3/4" springs and a >1-1/4" packing piece. In other words the 10.1" springs (and no packing >piece) should be a direct swap for the 9-3/4" spring it its associated >1-1/4" packing piece. > >Anyone see any holes in my logic? > >Thanks! > >Brad > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 11:34:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694325849A2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S50.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s50.hotmail.com [65.54.61.87]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C15D25807F9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 11:34:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT151-W31 ([65.55.90.9]) by SNT004-OMC1S50.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Tue, 5 Aug 2014 10:34:35 -0700 From: Wayne Brazinski To: Triumph List Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:34:35 -0500 FILETIME=[866AFBE0:01CFB0D3] Subject: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi all!,Some of you might remember me from way, way back when I announced that I was planning a to work on a V8 conversion of my TR3. Well - after a decade (life got in the way!) I finally have a working vehicle and you can see a high level overview on YouTube at the link below. I know that I have modified the car and that this goes against some of your beliefs. I really apologize for this - the car did not have matching engine and chassis numbers so I didn't alter an as-is vehicle, and hope that makes things a little better. I have 500 miles on the car in all sorts of weather - so far no overheats with the 302. If any of you are interested in a bolt by bolt description I'll happily put one together for you. http://youtu.be/MYk4eFVzY9I Regards, Wayne ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 14:07:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD532584A26 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com (omr-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A442580878 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.99]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A3427700000B5 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqb005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.212.209]) by mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 4A9F038000082 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Alan Myers Received: from 74.95.11.209 by webmail-vm036.sysops.aol.com (149.174.151.59) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Aug 2014 16:08:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1407269297; bh=wXblKfI3TGjRfsvvMjTXIANO5BE0RF1IHqnxHabBaco=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w5eNjtKhBrbrUtC12/IUJxPysXC4ea/Mi6wrfwCQPEqq9gEF8X3TN+Tbhvpckt7bd qM6WXjjIIBEdTIDgih7ZdSbvkJnuJ+KqMexhZ8EhiECVxJzJrXiE66oHPHAV5lP75f TiEstWSrbUjIt9hbgegn+zIz+WBDI0NaxE2scOgg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b016353e139b151fc Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Wayne, I'd be the first to defend your right to modify your car as you see fit! But, word of advice.... The "non-matching numbers" excuse won't fly with anyone who knows anything about Triumphs. Unlike some other manufacturers, Triumph made no effort to match the numbers. They simply stuck whatever gearbox was handy onto whatever engine was at the front of the line, then stuck them into whatever chassis was waiting, then plopped whatever body was next in line onto the waiting assembly. Numbers on a single car are typically are off by hundreds, in some cases thousands. So your car actually might have had all the original bits. The only way to tell is to get one of the British Motor Heritage build certificates, which lists all the numbers, plus original paint and trim colors, factory-supplied accessories (if any), as well as the date and port of dispatch, the ship the car sailed upon, and the eventual destination port. My TR4 has more than a few "improvements". It came to me already with a lot of mods for auto crossing, when I bought it in the late 1970s. It was painted "Porsche Orange", too! It got resprayed fairly quickly, though I painted it red, rather than the original Spa White. The Shadow Blue interior had been dyed black and it wasn't until some years later that I discovered it had Datsun 240Z carbs on it (didn't matter... I'd converted to Weber DCOE 40s anyway). And I've always wanted to get a TR6 and drop a Rover V8 in it... Then take the TR6 engine to build a TR5 PI from a TR4A, but using modern Weber fuel injection. Always thought it would be fun to build up a GT6 Mark III too... though I'd probably stick with an inline 6-cyl. I've also got a TR4 frame set aside to build a TR3A "Beta" sometime.... which is a wider stance version of the TR3A that only existed in a couple prototypes. Triumph considered it as a replacement model, but produced the TR4 instead. The TR3B is a different animal than the Beta. It's more of a continuation of the TR3 line that was made concurrently with the early TR4s, for the traditionalists who objected to fancy things like roll-up windows. Wouldn't mind a building a TRS replica, too... Though probably with a TR4 engine and gearbox, and maybe a supercharger. An Italia is one car I'd keep absolutely showroom original, if I ever owned one. IMO, it's impossible to improve upon the Italia! Oh well... too many cars, not enough money or garage spaces! Alan Myers San Jose, Calif. amfoto1@aol.com '62 TR4 CT17602L (with more than it's share of mods) www.triuimphowners.com/640 Triumphest 2009: https://www.flickr.com/photos/amfoto1/collections/72157626673107235/ -----Original Message----- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 12:34:35 -0500 From: Wayne Brazinski To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Message-ID: charset="us-ascii" Hi all!,Some of you might remember me from way, way back when I announcedthat I was planning a to work on a V8 conversion of my TR3. Well - after adecade (life got in the way!) I finally have a working vehicle and you can seea high level overview on YouTube at the link below. I know that I havemodified the car and that this goes against some of your beliefs. I reallyapologize for this - the car did not have matching engine and chassis numbersso I didn't alter an as-is vehicle, and hope that makes things a littlebetter.I have 500 miles on the car in all sorts of weather - so far no overheats withthe 302.If any of you are interested in a bolt by bolt description I'll happily putone together for you.http://youtu.be/MYk4eFVzY9IRegards,Wayne------------------------------ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 14:36:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E8525800B1 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:36:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D2D25800B1 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lj1so2050460pab.33 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lmeFjP0NnUJcgg3uXSXuft+NToy48YMnNZwP2k9MY7U=; b=Pf0Dp8l5fX/2CNn/EE79/+L/LeuetKFJWuH5hEDC7KPxzUi4y0pPpSg5Wjlrz7h5ss MMxKTu6W05idV8DYJF+FzAAL4HTFr8Yr3mQ9hq+XTPPsYHJTpQMz+w33BF7MEjPhCu40 1lsHsaeuyHQWsudDf8IllTfruWBkFpbsOjoAy8w4dJzIkjgeuC4RWp/aFHkdVIxJ4EB1 dzGpAdAD5YTpc8bntxi7sO4AE6wWq2lCnfLsAU9V9mrqtAZ38GsHVZ8sGNrWmN+ygxWi LW5B4nKP/RPgdKPfQ0GQBYs/FUgXTyHd09IIkR28psc92lI/QONGWKdbFI9oE34NgcOC feUg== hq1mr6770205pbc.107.1407270614162; Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.31.131 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <53e1106b.ca2f460a.446b.1442SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:30:14 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Tony Drews Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 - TR6 front suspension Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tony, thanks for the info! The key would appear to be the location of the old style trunnion studs compared to the trunnion bolt on the later cars. I have both style of trunnions on hand so I'll give them a closer look this evening to see just how much difference there really is. From what documentation that I have found it seems that the installed spring height is supposed to be the same on all models, i.e. 6-3/4" (or was it 6-1/2"!) Either way from bottom spring pan to upper spring seat the distance is hopefully the same. Should be interesting once I install the springs this weekend. Thanks! Brad On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Lower A-Arms changed between the TR-4 (with 3 degrees of castor) and the > TR-6 (with 3 degrees of castor), possibly when they went to the TR-4A IRS > with the adjustable lower A-arm brackets. Vertical link changed between > the TR-4 and TR-250 / TR-6 - went from studs sticking out of the lower > trunnion to one with a bolt through the lower trunnion. The lower trunnion > width changed with that, the "screw" that goes into the trunnion is larger > diameter and shorter in the TR-6, and the location of the bolt / pivot > changed in a way that lowers the car. > > Spring pans are the same. > > http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm > > But, the springs will fit, but will be a bit shorter than the original if > I'm doing my math right: > 9.75 + 1.25 = 11" > vs > 10.1" > > Tony > > At 09:21 AM 8/5/2014, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I'm trying to do an analysis of the front suspension dimensional >> differences between the early TR4 cars and the TR4A and later cars. >> >> Below are some assumptions that I've made: >> >> The lower a-arms are the same from tr4 thru tr6. The upper a-arms are the >> same from later tr4 thru tr6. The vertical links are dimensionally the >> same >> except for camber/castor angle changes. I'm pretty sure the lower spring >> pans are the same with probably only slight differences but I believe the >> basic dimensions are the same. The upper fulcrums are the same just the >> orientation changes between tr4 and later tr4 thru tr6. >> >> Since the vertical links are the same overall length that should mean the >> distance between the upper fulcrum pivot point and the lower a-arm pivot >> point (on the frame) should be the same for all models. With all of that >> being said that tells me the installed spring height from the lower spring >> pan seat to the upper spring seat should be the same for all models. >> >> I'm betting the overall front end weight is pretty close between the 4 and >> 6 cylinder cars as I've read that the stock spring rate between 4s and >> 250s >> is only about 2 pounds (310 vs 312) >> >> So my unless I'm missing something then springs that are 10.1 inches tall >> from a tr250 should fit in a tr4 that originally had 9-3/4" springs and a >> 1-1/4" packing piece. In other words the 10.1" springs (and no packing >> piece) should be a direct swap for the 9-3/4" spring it its associated >> 1-1/4" packing piece. >> >> Anyone see any holes in my logic? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@ >> tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 5 20:40:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932B52584CFA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670242580712 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:39:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52218] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AF/C6-14754-E7591E35; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 02:39:59 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Wayne Brazinski" , "Triumph List" References: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 21:39:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Watched the video, looks like lot of fun, I am sure you have your own plans or idea in your head for what you want from the car, you mention it needs paint, I know cars looks nicer in pictures on the internet than they do in real life, but it sure looks pretty, shiny and smooth in the video. You paint it you spend a lot of time and or money and or both, and then you are afraid to drive it because it is all perfect and you might get stone chips, you can't park it because you might get door dings etc., you worry about it, it looks nicer when you park it at shows, but it becomes less fun. Just one man's opinion, just a thought, looks good, enjoy it! Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 07:50:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F902580948 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:50:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-01.shaw.ca (smtp-out-01.shaw.ca [64.59.136.137]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A66025802EE for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:49:57 -0600 (MDT) cv=OwXf4AQYS7J10u4+/2kpCX1VHJ+qeA/E1g375LKBsDQ= c=1 sm=2 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=Pi0ptet0oljU6qfEBf4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=KaUt4VWBDi_SCAcH:21 a=F0FHfUWKVhdpp1GW:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: from unknown (HELO OwnerHP) ([68.144.217.77]) by smtp-out-01.shaw.ca with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 06 Aug 2014 07:50:28 -0600 From: "Mike Coe" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:50:30 -0600 Subject: [TR] Information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi: Steering Column Bushing installation through firewall headache! A job that just about drove me around the bend when attempting installing a new replacement Steering Column Bushing to my 1982 TR8. How the heck does one accomplish this?: even with prior soaking in hot water, pliers, fingers, screw driver. Anyway, it completely foxed me. And finally after over an hour of trying, I then for some time with a cup of tea sat on my garage stool pondering what else the blue blazes could I do!. Contemplating there has to be a better way that the factory used when building the car (installation likely without the engine yet installed!), when the voice of one of my very good Pals floated down from the Cosmos [I later found out he was playing tennis at that precise time the other side of Calgary]. A voice transmitting, bwhat would Ray do here....of course invent a toolb. So herebs my invention, consisting of a U sized piece of metal with a good strong bolt of sufficient length to protrude through the firewall to connect to a number of washers beyond the firewall in the engine bay. Washers that I had at hand; and of course a good strong nut over the washers with which to tighten the system. The U piece placed on the inside of the firewall inside the car. With the washers b again inside the engine bay - acting as a compression to push the bushing into place. And it works !!! I though would recommend using a U piece of steel instead of the piece of aluminum I used b at hand to see if this worked - that I cut into shape. That slighted indented itself with pressure. Though it still worked handsomely. Cheers Mike Coe, Calgary, Alberta, Canada ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 08:03:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2F325808F9 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 08:03:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F90B25808D9 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:56:50 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1407333441; bh=E7Dt3uBRP7A63aXgzfC0kjSlFK1pLcm2C5xJm1Q9QB0=; b=Egs8+Rz5Lvl66GPE2KEH+zzNuMeJVmYqhvddNk/8knCUtsfRNAKwKdezjaoEqf5M0frXDTbEP3m3+2tQuGVfAQcv8G7CVtVIIFvUjsBBbucFuHMzBUpKZ6ruHHaPiblIZtv6FQAyI5NKNMCMkTYFxTRsjIKSBU25Vk5ux117mbjf5XPZs84TuoR76AdQrNQJUMbGOD6vUfd/LJWInkRJQo3VQCH/zEVw/isL1kbyxdq9ZHV9Z733FzwT7KmjgEAClExlyVKAGKPl6gtzifCv0svFLco4rYyvZcHFGaf2+1bZkt5NJf+agUGFjoVDiuW2mYlFTNoRu8oHomt4sTbKEQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=BClarLJxYuXksjQDLgKpNzGsnXjjGlVPl8wikyc1/9v3ZzvbHXkV/zviksLiNCMqG/yIbRaz8jVnnl1TP90bMmvXoEV0jYBqCfErstEXR3WU/aKBICAA2zG1Ibh89qveLwEPTD+Yso2e278Gc4nCLFycI5XN/Pfy7fqgB6ez8Jvcp3EDmFFOZAtMfF0jtVPNmDedbPSmPMrELVmnmYYypVRCQBB4J5a61Snj/qpiQ0nO36NPtGKtisxIoOYkPlMdf/glvUoyAYfuJnKq5rXWe98dCL42HIAYE4r+2ji5FBW+N2hePtep/B16OZtUql0VUG2I7AYOA4R9rTjK7cqwXw==; Received: from [216.39.60.184] by nm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2014 13:57:21 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.211] by tm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2014 13:57:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2014 13:57:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407333441; bh=E7Dt3uBRP7A63aXgzfC0kjSlFK1pLcm2C5xJm1Q9QB0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=x21pQT+2TJDA8M+HPCFjBiMVRMDp276YdaUreU1teH0T7tyJSZa+kMQuuf6u9v2sK4SnK7TheulCCEK8pgt8mWxc+lqofi9QlegU8QYInGDl9qNYKZUyCZXSpZZE/3DtJvnZFiLP4sHs5giESZ+QUCG3p0UyXiX9B295FdvZjHU= C3h0_PuoOHdQBWuBbKwO47QJma6Vr_eG9cuBUhIsw7k3rieL9Jd4.MAAGeve 2ue4d3wqVPClyiSxX4GRuEoBvAOwdocCgd6A34.LI55Jf6P0W92O1y9gmLyM dwcqJq5kJxdkYMxwzfklgaaJM.sWbAsFa8Lm0DjiSJoStim_QLLkd.gmhLqC KjQ3scVf3kzG2o7wMOwNIVOARmivs6xkJOpuH22G.VlnfCXsPdBkrgrKFWKF H0EsTnwfxzT0Lw7F9dycval92LOk9FWvYNVQVZX9n0nZqrnDJb.27XNAGLye 6Oe.GigdUBdcxgqNzukI_CbBjR7qQvP_vHEELaA0_CKVkYBgUh3tAwiR8LM3 98f7BKhDOm1TixN3awEmLPDB3sOC0KeEuDnbp5ezL8z1BHKig0nnQCWgz8xa sdcq6Qm27JAI3Ml1QWKlONU3LLrtk1fCg7I6aJq_gDD7y5UbTV51tN8zMDB4 TpB3HMwsy8SMZM2qA_.PSRrpnyAUzc05VsfBv7oCtyu2eiTBuyvukA9o91kb x.PgZcmUCoOwGISOq4JQFwrlv8vdBL0lD1ig66.Q- References: From: Wbeech Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 08:57:16 -0500 To: Mike Coe Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Information Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Congratulations Mike, once again proving that necessity is the mother of invention. Bill B 1962 TR3b Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:50 AM, "Mike Coe" wrote: Hi: Steering Column Bushing installation through firewall headache! A job that just about drove me around the bend when attempting installing a new replacement Steering Column Bushing to my 1982 TR8. How the heck does one accomplish this?: even with prior soaking in hot water, pliers, fingers, screw driver. Anyway, it completely foxed me. And finally after over an hour of trying, I then for some time with a cup of tea sat on my garage stool pondering what else the blue blazes could I do!. Contemplating there has to be a better way that the factory used when building the car (installation likely without the engine yet installed!), when the voice of one of my very good Pals floated down from the Cosmos [I later found out he was playing tennis at that precise time the other side of Calgary]. A voice transmitting, bwhat would Ray do here....of course invent a toolb. So herebs my invention, consisting of a U sized piece of metal with a good strong bolt of sufficient length to protrude through the firewall to connect to a number of washers beyond the firewall in the engine bay. Washers that I had at hand; and of course a good strong nut over the washers with which to tighten the system. The U piece placed on the inside of the firewall inside the car. With the washers b again inside the engine bay - acting as a compression to push the bushing into place. And it works !!! I though would recommend using a U piece of steel instead of the piece of aluminum I used b at hand to see if this worked - that I cut into shape. That slighted indented itself with pressure. Though it still worked handsomely. Cheers Mike Coe, Calgary, Alberta, Canada ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 08:50:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700BC2580935 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 08:50:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC1S27.hotmail.com (snt004-omc1s27.hotmail.com [65.55.90.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7BB25802EE for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 08:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT151-W79 ([65.55.90.8]) by SNT004-OMC1S27.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Wed, 6 Aug 2014 07:41:54 -0700 From: Wayne Brazinski To: Triumph List Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 09:41:54 -0500 References: , FILETIME=[9147B970:01CFB184] Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Everyone,THANKS for your nice comments on the V8 TR3, I really appreciate it. Ironically my greatest critic was my Dad who thinks I should have done a better job recording the exhaust noise and I should have found more windy roads and the video was too long! Other than that he was happy. I'm offering to loan him out to anyone who needs an 83 year old Dad - minimum loan time is 1 month, and you have to feed and house him! Wayne > From: glemon@neb.rr.com > To: wbrazinski@hotmail.com; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 21:39:55 -0500 > > > > Watched the video, looks like lot of fun, I am sure you have your own plans > or idea in your head for what you want from the car, you mention it needs > paint, I know cars looks nicer in pictures on the internet than they do in > real life, but it sure looks pretty, shiny and smooth in the video. You > paint it you spend a lot of time and or money and or both, and then you are > afraid to drive it because it is all perfect and you might get stone chips, > you can't park it because you might get door dings etc., you worry about it, > it looks nicer when you park it at shows, but it becomes less fun. Just one > man's opinion, just a thought, looks good, enjoy it! > > Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 10:22:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29AB25808CC for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:22:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BEA25808CC for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:21:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bQty1o0051GhbT85AUN7ko; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:22:07 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-212v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.246]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bUL71o00v5Ji7d63TUL7ya; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:20:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:20:06 +0000 (UTC) From: MICHAELMARR5258 To: Wayne Brazinski References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: V8 TR3 Project Update Thread-Index: dhrFRLhkNS5bAhlREwOPHyrbTw8Pvw== s=q20140121; t=1407342127; bh=uc7oQ0ca1VaHNGLoW5Z4bxLPi5ah/L58rgBlUfT7omY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=RN7xVzkTq0RnoqaDkrcEuFo+b0PbkFmrd9C210drYeWQybU10v3/4coWaGvy6bNCa eKBPRL6fCbDyU3dGotZzh4kuZKr7CDZfbmQDO9p7RAKmnsEt94LI01AgTAdHEMZyKH Y0mxqkMM3H+fxJRAxLh78try4hY8MTgFU2wc6jp1i2mFuc9M+djYU4sZEYUvMYwfPs cSxDQeF5xSHyT9lJQ4HVwPYQFHqs+ykNoTgF5g7abjrEEEwXw2vgxIDf3kkKxBD75D x9725S/jaJHlEj9RZJx9JPMEf1mHBe8xfh+GuZfMlcJfJaYIPg6ERbIVjQ+4j6LCSq ZzQm1wJax2rdQ== Cc: "List, Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wayne: B I have been wondering how you have been doing with the conversion.B You have achieved a lot more with your car in the last five years than I have with mine!B The car looks great and I will watch out for it during my drives around Plainfield.B Have you taken it to cruise night yet? B Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Brazinski" To: "List, Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:34:35 AM Subject: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Hi all!,Some of you might remember me from way, way back when I announced that I was planning a to work on a V8 conversion of my TR3. B Well - after a decade (life got in the way!) I finally have a working vehicle and you can see a high level overview on YouTube at the link below. B I know that I have modified the car and that this goes against some of your beliefs. I really apologize for this - the car did not have matching engine and chassis numbers so I didn't alter an as-is vehicle, and hope that makes things a little better. I have 500 miles on the car in all sorts of weather - so far no overheats with the 302. If any of you are interested in a bolt by bolt description I'll happily put one together for you. http://youtu.be/MYk4eFVzY9I Regards, Wayne ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/michaelmarr5258@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 10:38:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC332580B14 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:38:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31A62580907 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 10:38:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bS1k1o0051swQuc53UecKS; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:38:36 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-212v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.246]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bUcb1o00Z5Ji7d63bUcbPM; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:36:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:36:35 +0000 (UTC) From: MICHAELMARR5258 To: Wayne Brazinski References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: V8 TR3 Project Update Thread-Index: mIgpamlgcbMJni9RzLMzX7sWLwOZZQ== s=q20140121; t=1407343116; bh=/WfQ4WfZMwTFt6JkmtCUuY0ynueBn67+ZOQCRBPxo+Q=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=A1COSdTPUBKmnHDSbejOkEsz2BbZvXfB95IyZgsZRg9sCdYd8AV/CuKQlxVF71rDL coZX7DIwOQqucrmPg8606JpGdkMWGGPzQwp0v3KmhxPHw6EO3baYAfeKsVZGUNe4oS Hih1m2DVqXv13m0fTTYFLzUb5pF/+ywdHO6sNzyQZA8MDblvLisshYJedSkdUBH8Le /uEHbviOcCGOZDEVF05mg9QLbQYkZTmtiZlhC1IbunqAiCob20YDXzjLLq3BX2KHPf 6nWn6I/CQKNuXfdvrH/mNuTFFKej7O3UtH/2Xbzd/zKmoqv+1cFOPhf7mka5ICLX4M l6G6jtIdnNhgA== Cc: "List, Triumphs" Subject: Re: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just watched theB rest of theB video and thoroughly enjoyed the driving sequence.B I know those roads quite well.B The car looks nicely sorted - a slight rise of the front end under acceleration and flat as a pancake on the turns.B Really nice job, Wayne! Mike B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Brazinski" To: "List, Triumphs" Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:34:35 AM Subject: [TR] V8 TR3 Project Update Hi all!,Some of you might remember me from way, way back when I announced that I was planning a to work on a V8 conversion of my TR3. B Well - after a decade (life got in the way!) I finally have a working vehicle and you can see a high level overview on YouTube at the link below. B I know that I have modified the car and that this goes against some of your beliefs. I really apologize for this - the car did not have matching engine and chassis numbers so I didn't alter an as-is vehicle, and hope that makes things a little better. I have 500 miles on the car in all sorts of weather - so far no overheats with the 302. If any of you are interested in a bolt by bolt description I'll happily put one together for you. http://youtu.be/MYk4eFVzY9I Regards, Wayne ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/michaelmarr5258@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 12:54:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785CA2584D1C for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:54:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617D22584AAE for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:53:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9W00HZCF5CFD20@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:53:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-06_06:2014-08-06,2014-08-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408060226 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:53:36 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] CollarBond Reviews Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. Does anyone on the list have experience with ColorBond for vinyl and/or ColorBond for carpet? I'm considering going from blue to black, and would like to avoid the expense of an entirely new interior if possible. Thanks! -- Jeff 1962 Triumph Surrey Top TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 18:34:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EAC258446D for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 18:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC38225803F9; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 18:11:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.64.26]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id bcBw1o0080Zz8pA01cC34B; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:12:04 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: , <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:12:02 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+x07aVdSC8wpDlSraCxhuB3CUOVw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Surrey top question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: - Am I right to assume a Surrey top from a TR4 will fit a TR250? - Roughly how much is an original factory Surrey top worth? Comes with the hard-top section - both been lying around for a long time but rust-free. Thanks! Andrew ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 6 20:05:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D816258448F for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A9C258065E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:40:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bdN21o0020x6nqcADdgzTg; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 01:40:59 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:1:9700:131a:8de7:7b91:bab3:a584] ([IPv6:2601:1:9700:131a:8de7:7b91:bab3:a584]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bdgy1o00J1ZNX2k8Ydgz9p; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 01:40:59 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:40:58 -0600 References: <2EF1DD32-03AD-4F18-8175-5878389E625D@icloud.com> To: Jeffrey Gayton s=q20140121; t=1407375659; bh=EVp0UszzxaDu6Ym/Xlp+F7LW4ncAbjoc5uQEJtznxfg=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=ZbtKFsGUdTrJK/syiMe+L+NJKB120hS8QfMjb3lYGKIl98IZptTUwiJyrmyG8tSOr cqVZrnGHYYlWyTahgQrbSZIa2ExbntWoeg8+7JxvBNUYZIadrVazoYOZksl65OxJMt LWfiiScT5Dg3eWjxcSttisY2AZh+XvZDSVwTptYZOGh3d8/C7gD9eg+3c05HfrcGT8 cwkF5/jIlvxXGAITfdc6VNZnx22ozBQ+DuvHfU+E8mJnmTW7TujMrpYEFgeP80RGwM hBFwM77vKerVUIi6BR3FiUSHQWSTOBdjcqPvJ0/YqlkTINYVjzFcuhxhwmpxXUdoDx j61g8kZHrrSEw== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CollarBond Reviews Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No experience with ColorBond. Ive had good luck with SEM vinyl/carpet paint. Ive sprayed it on a towel and freshened up my carpet where the sun had faded it. Also used it on sheepskin seats and it never rubbed off on clothing. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. Does anyone on the list have experience with ColorBond for vinyl > and/or ColorBond for carpet? I'm considering going from blue to black, and > would like to avoid the expense of an entirely new interior if possible. > > Thanks! > > -- Jeff > > 1962 Triumph Surrey Top TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 12:41:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA62258451D for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:41:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611252584485 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id bug51o00K4oFfFQ01ug5g8; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 11:40:06 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:32:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 not 3a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 57 smallmouth tr3 and Ibm putting in the grill and the glovebox. can anyone tell me the screws (I assume they are screws) for these? thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 13:42:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8112584578 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFE0258451B for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 13:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2014 19:41:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm31.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2014 19:38:48 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.171] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2014 19:38:22 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.246] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2014 19:38:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2014 19:38:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 45964 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2014 19:31:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407439902; bh=DqMtGHVKR/rCnikIMWvs7utI61jLwIuzhWxMMCjKwcc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fH6d1xL4fOtHtvloasIeFiBOBzLt2pM5FJ4UcFgOt6if/9o+bsfrl2syfUk3NOVwpPdu48CMaq80TwzJFtHxreWBMvAg8gjziNh7RZpcfm9Ag9NALPhg9KOaHPfos0WZR3uXtqjuYtsHaC2NmW8AsH9hWG/NpmDBeS2v6PQZsAw= 1p4p_r45PSD1bvJ0V2qS3FUwf1VFazqlWSHvfcP5EoCOpayi7SRv19HYiefS 7x9ZVR.g0x6oaoBvvecTePuTeSUyEP1wlEk7R2Xw4uxpM.WLlsDTqCuVnHTk LQp0dGGVkxNbrHH71Vj29j22tCIsyve796Xya3ib9lnznasacdWXUQN8Ikuf iY2hMVFU24ze78RN7iabhIqnm2_LXytUGYgbUeSDiebPJ3Lu1szcFbJW3rhx LJDvJWdeaPF3ECLN2PmqJf5VC8ceszHmKuR9Ia3Ryxx69JYRHIoz5HuxxNQ2 E5sKyU1YwTkDkVcQ6zsxIzIcN0evrPWUGXnyxh1zu11T1gpq.KAn43CLD8Dj ac9.dZJGjfbGZ_rhw9JnEoT2R2L_4cOAZvey_iLdb.SmdKrvUWHWX0FW6fB_ Y7Z6cudDjcb5Ruarn7elELOTRlxUVFB6z5S2cUDYv3bBvaZQyKjipMXBITo9 YwpD3kFjN1XET9O8T7ZZE5EviGtv6t3mPqCKsWCBcqgjLw3S2TQGEWGKJ7mU FIxWAOuzoivDUy9XDUNl996DSaykKzrfBOBXIXT3bGIOW7WJ0iPl_BRdHQTB PfdqIqpfSAW7kxBBgjjORAGRwZwqLshVL9YlkeEWVWDdZ6x0HwvjroDUgvW0 xPhaigFi0_dNXBXvMRyhbJLWZH1ppqa4doI2ZLe14Ik_DXg-- Received: from [96.26.3.50] by web185406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 12:31:42 PDT Q2hlY2sgd2l0aCBNYXJrIE1hY3kgYXQgTWFjeSdzIEdhcmFnZS4gPGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cHM6Ly9vdmVydmlldy5tYWlsLnlhaG9vLmNvbT8uc3JjPWlPUyI.PGJyLz48YnIvPlNlbnQgZnJvbSBZYWhvbyBNYWlsIGZvciBpUGhvbmU8L2E.ATABAQEB Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:31:42 -0700 From: W Beecher To: "dave@ranteer.com" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 not 3a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Check with Mark Macy at Macy's Garage.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 17:46:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D250C2584AC0 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E352584938 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:46:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9Y00CPVNDOS000@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 23:46:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-07_08:2014-08-06,2014-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408070272 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 16:46:36 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] ColorBond and Surrey Top on TR250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to everyone who replied to my question about ColorBond. Looks like it or a similar product by SEM is worth a try. In response to Andrew's question, I was flipping through Piggott's book yesterday and there are several pictures of surrey tops fitted to TR250s. They were apparently even available on TR6s. As for price, I was following them rather closely on eBay until I actually found one attached to a car I could afford :). One sold for $4000 in May. One failed to sell for $4,250 in June. I'm pretty sure two went for over $5000 in the early spring. I bid on one but lost, and some part of me thinks it went for over $6000. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 7 17:47:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6A82584A40 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:47:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCF2258496E for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:47:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9Y00BMMNFQLU30@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2014 23:47:52 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-07_08:2014-08-06,2014-08-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408070273 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 16:47:50 -0700 References: <2EF1DD32-03AD-4F18-8175-5878389E625D@icloud.com> <733A20A3-BA1E-4B30-A212-2E4AF7BF90AB@comcast.net> To: Bud R Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] CollarBond Reviews Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Bud. Further research online pointed me to SEM also, which seems to be favored by the pros. > On 6 Aug 2014, at 6:40 PM, Bud R wrote: > > No experience with ColorBond. > > Ive had good luck with SEM vinyl/carpet paint. Ive sprayed it on a towel and freshened up my carpet where the sun had faded it. Also used it on sheepskin seats and it never rubbed off on clothing. > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > >> Greetings. Does anyone on the list have experience with ColorBond for vinyl >> and/or ColorBond for carpet? I'm considering going from blue to black, and >> would like to avoid the expense of an entirely new interior if possible. >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- Jeff >> >> 1962 Triumph Surrey Top TR4 >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 03:39:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8BB2584B01 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 03:39:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E90258075E for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 03:38:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0N9Z00FGRESMALF0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 05:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 05:40:14 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <2EF1DD32-03AD-4F18-8175-5878389E625D@icloud.com> <733A20A3-BA1E-4B30-A212-2E4AF7BF90AB@comcast.net> <08599529-4923-4CF5-997D-880612977424@icloud.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] CollarBond Reviews Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I first completed my TR3, I used SEM to change the color of the seats from red to tan. That worked wel and lasted for 2 years with no flaw until I could afford the leather seat covers I wanted. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 8/7/2014 7:47 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Thanks, Bud. Further research online pointed me to SEM also, which seems to be > favored by the pros. > >> On 6 Aug 2014, at 6:40 PM, Bud R wrote: >> >> No experience with ColorBond. >> >> Ive had good luck with SEM vinyl/carpet paint. Ive sprayed it on a towel > and freshened up my carpet where the sun had faded it. Also used it on > sheepskin seats and it never rubbed off on clothing. >> Bud Rolofson >> >> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 >> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) >> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle >> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: >> >>> Greetings. Does anyone on the list have experience with ColorBond for > vinyl >>> and/or ColorBond for carpet? I'm considering going from blue to black, and >>> would like to avoid the expense of an entirely new interior if possible. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- Jeff >>> >>> 1962 Triumph Surrey Top TR4 >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 08:45:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D372584DD6 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:45:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f51.google.com (mail-qg0-f51.google.com [209.85.192.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1758E2580042 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a108so6225471qge.10 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 07:45:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=hL+fn5HkD8JynQ/RyuRp+xUripJScgm3rX8/KUMeUqM=; b=Q2ffUz0Hkyhr7Fi9ZoxMbPcvQ1LJJval6PNwPzgThaRJgM3S8BeStN4oneiLS2fra7 2jq31MlF5QpcPN8SiUqs2FN5vlhgzMb/I4JPyOhDcmEGpvCzoBq6UWG3MhyQtu8jm3Lq qEUy1u1mTah3Wmdsw0jLLrHfv45TG9ztPzh8HrKwXHgf/G+ZI3gsz2mNNLuWl4yK0rix GR4Z4CZKfvQn5xG0MbATvij1qwnkn2QweTEIAqGBjVRmSHGUwbY4a7cFifzv2HjPMdAi PrNv+aViz57KxJnluYPOVSK1Ry6qbrl26REj1TUOoWB+j1g1H+DiFVVx61zlqNcTJOEm /wlg== h9mr39100536qan.96.1407509140621; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 07:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.51.228 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 07:45:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:45:20 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Downloadable, printable fastener reference info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This might be useful to a number of us: http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Printable-Tools/Default.aspx Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 10:31:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44922584DDD for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4530C2580770 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:30:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([50.59.71.170]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id cGX41o00J3gRu8q01GX6qW; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:31:06 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "Triumphs" References: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 11:31:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Downloadable, printable fastener reference info Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thank you! this is great!!! -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:45 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Downloadable, printable fastener reference info This might be useful to a number of us: http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Printable-Tools/Default.aspx ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 8 14:54:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD37D258450B for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0303E2580790 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 14:54:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-5881.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([67.158.70.250] helo=[192.168.4.105]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XFrBY-00021E-E2; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 16:54:49 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:54:47 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: jtgayton@icloud.com Subject: Re: [TR] ColorBond and Surrey Top on TR250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > > > In response to Andrew's question, I was flipping through Piggott's book > yesterday and there are several pictures of surrey tops fitted to TR250s. They > were apparently even available on TR6s. > > As for price, I was following them rather closely on eBay until I actually > found one attached to a car I could afford :). One sold for $4000 in May. One > failed to sell for $4,250 in June. I'm pretty sure two went for over $5000 in > the early spring. I bid on one but lost, and some part of me thinks it went > for over $6000. > > -- Jeff The hardtop available for the TR6 is different. However, the Surrey Top will fit and many TR6 owners have installed them. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 10 20:43:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAB42584861 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:43:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AAD2580257 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:43:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id id10so10896766vcb.35 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:44:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1y+TiMzbXeYulYtQKaZ6j7qNNl7qdhkM6xv9FuNGl0M=; b=WWuoPqZUrZl9FC3EtFeduA8x3mMe9RvrbTEDTcCCNro9we+3xJopAuhOjPxrI/eOf5 6BumLJleYrwZCDTjyt7tNMf8ynsNU//+5eSHWJLyDMZi41y5VhWY6TKKIwfBDqXMceqI DNRbt69vOKd3DSePoxr3dn0rcRJPzECBEn56M2la8lva5sWJ61brd5z1HpRFeOeKEjMM HqflZyWSF3pOgaoyuuPOAOty+ifQyQoHEsgjgw9tnV+yDgjqspLrjo6dDVP3LT7CYFDH OFR1EJA722MDdkraIcHYzvQv6JAZkJIBHwmn7yxwTp7EIj8QvDmY8LbtvriBtpJp0tfF yChg== o9mr22481356vcy.8.1407725054567; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.46.195 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Aug 2014 19:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:44:14 -0600 From: Lee Janssen To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I have a friend who is moving from Denver to Los Alamos and he has a 1973 MGB that has been sitting for the past 30 years. My friend, being an auto mechanic by trade, did not drain the gas tank prior to this prolonged storage (moron). Since may of you have resolved this problem tell me how long will it take to get the car running and what steps are required? Thanks Much ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 05:46:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026A42584984 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8A42580782 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:46:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 11:46:37 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.234] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 11:46:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1049.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 11:46:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 91056 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2014 11:46:37 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407757597; bh=TLX3nK3Q2BkCqultZL5bBXyqFyZG3J8dsaOrSdXOhKg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fve5ke5PyVZkLbAtFrlv4ESxpmDdh2X0GXGnlF4LnzzrVohpPKIyVxRiflxo0/fVzGbznr9lyHUM+PNtSDr2ZC3o73Z3/ILvtWQ6Jyxr2FCdA5ss9toV+yvTabqmWVZbuUi12SRIyGWWgOXTf++mgfOpP5UyMwJGazkaQ2YIsXk= hrprtEhspfpPvlHj.Ol.VkhRpaYxip2wyOw_FONLxlsEom5xNLGwP0pbbI9I 3p1rspxbnuOm5CcLxXNnCbZT5XNvvRLynHskQMxO4JmQaoMR7pavjmDwAakO fPqSQjgAd7A8gcYNkspxS1OUwVS6YqLWOfNkBqV57G5k6snH3LMoy2rC6GsL oUk.W82QtUB7U5eZIwqgG1TUZAzL8x8KiFIG2MR15jAuaf.A.HwC5.PHBfr7 STOjy3GHrO4zgKQo_tsHVSFu1EKDjPHW31gMKMnhq7xhXJkac4tqOqj6l.Iq i6jrKln35BvYipSXRbyy3jFFZGjC9V8KI.gwcKR1SGAvhq2BCJXKXDsLwAT_ MuRVJ.0SDDS7Sg9dHCx.ClMj89rrnltzTpQejrDvlxWOnTiUuN1aNLWgzmRa .ev.CKWKKxSlxndsKPhFeKxwNat0WhBWpXhaycjORTp1Qg7kp4PghIhlic5k unyaj6PHudnlStp_0TlFSqM8bW0PHCXlVBEkrscY50tbJ.Lb5cQyy5K82Spm tMgWHRQY0Lx03CwShvecRJvsMXmJvNMAjyzBL1dgY7Iyp6esei.pP.AAW Received: from [65.248.100.70] by web120701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 04:46:37 PDT SXQgY291bGQgYmUgYW55dGhpbmcgZnJvbSBkcmFpbiBhbmQgcmVmaWxsIHRoZSB0YW5rIHRvIG5ldyB0YW5rLCBsaW5lcywgYW5kIGNhcmJ1cmV0b3IvZnVlbCBwdW1wIHJlYnVpbGQuICBJdCdzIGhhcmQgdG8gc2F5LiAgSWYgeW91ciBmcmllbmQgaXMgYW4gYXV0byBtZWNoYW5pYyBoZSBzaG91bGQgYmUgYWJsZSB0byBoYW5kbGUgaXQgd2l0aG91dCBtdWNoIGd1aWRhbmNlLg0KDQpDaGFkIGluIFR1bHNhDQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KT24gU3VuLCA4LzEBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 04:46:37 -0700 From: Chad To: triumphs , Lee Janssen Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It could be anything from drain and refill the tank to new tank, lines, and carburetor/fuel pump rebuild. It's hard to say. If your friend is an auto mechanic he should be able to handle it without much guidance. Chad in Tulsa -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8/10/14, Lee Janssen wrote: Subject: [TR] Rip Van Winkle To: "triumphs" Date: Sunday, August 10, 2014, 9:44 PM So I have a friend who is moving from Denver to Los Alamos and he has a 1973 MGB that has been sitting for the past 30 years. My friend, being an auto mechanic by trade, did not drain the gas tank prior to this prolonged storage (moron). Since may of you have resolved this problem tell me how long will it take to get the car running and what steps are required? Thanks Much ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 05:58:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473A2584A29 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:58:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5C225849E4 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:57:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:56194] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A6/B2-12885-1EFA8E35; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:58:26 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Lee Janssen" , "triumphs" References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:58:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If your friend is a mechanic he should know the basics of waking the car back up, sounds like it will need the gas tank cleaned out, as well as the carbs, I would pour some Marvel Mystery Oil into the cylinders to lube them a little, new battery goes without saying, I certainly wouldn't trust the brake or clutch hydraulics after 30 years and he will want new rubber bits all around there, and probably new radiator hoses and belts soon if not immediately as well. Electrics will need to be tested, the fuel pump may need a good whack or points cleaned to get going, SU pumps don't like to sit that long. Obviously change the oil in the motor, check the oil level in the carb dashpots, drain flush and fill radiator, I am sure I am probably missing something, but that would be a good start. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 06:05:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DF72584A30 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:05:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFB32580682 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id pn19so6638229lab.10 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:05:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j/T+frS9E+Y1L6Sj/rO6OkAmPmN8t2AEsTV+pTt6Log=; b=uyuHdmBRi1yoUEa/9Yph2tcQm3ASnQu3Y8hAQRKmBXFmkSdiUFQ7gXJvklokPTlKZU efu/fS6MVo7YMxxUFWGXkS6gU2KeNuCR7+7R03pItGDkT8O7DfbrPObuW4jCy0YRGVV5 dIKAr+pOBWCSn4rXgJR7XzrJ3SDoBC5w27IWZzt7wcjhq01zP/5KbQd1snJpqiPqktrt hQnfr1Cl0oHOHDfAubY9xgORtvqDg+Cz2VDeTLsbIO1OTXDm6D6Es6gB5UGRozQFTsmA ObRu6EnKQ3o6FrJaTJ8ZGBRocOposrlNEqHJIgBl5giNA/etHS5okfIxtejMF2tiIhUp ZMAQ== v8mr35920544lbi.47.1407758729868; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:05:29 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:05:29 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Lee Janssen Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net He's not planning on driving it, is he? Getting it running is one thing, getting it driveable is another. Getting it ready for a 350 mile trip is orders of magnitude more complicated. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Lee Janssen wrote: > So I have a friend who is moving from Denver to Los Alamos and he has a > 1973 MGB that has been sitting for the past 30 years. My friend, being an > auto mechanic by trade, did not drain the gas tank prior to this prolonged > storage (moron). > Since may of you have resolved this problem tell me how long will it take > to get the car running and what steps are required? > > Thanks Much > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 06:57:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6C12584A35 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49103258054A for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 06:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id dQxC1o00A4oFfFQ01QxDSG; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:57:13 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "triumphs" References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:52:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ on how to revive a sleeping car -----Original Message----- From: Lee Janssen Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:44 PM To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Rip Van Winkle So I have a friend who is moving from Denver to Los Alamos and he has a 1973 MGB that has been sitting for the past 30 years. My friend, being an auto mechanic by trade, did not drain the gas tank prior to this prolonged storage (moron). Since may of you have resolved this problem tell me how long will it take to get the car running and what steps are required? Thanks Much ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 11:40:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2C025809C9 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:40:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.214]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC6B25808FE for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1407778863; bh=EzOKWf0l1foJDYYoaiH7bW/2xJLiL9xQ6MTzrr3GfpI=; b=YQgfOMcWovIwuubqKeu7RLRA7t6KvnkmkQ3RtH641b6nuexm5Ov3HwLI9OGG/iUCfQyQfrHP/1npRUKob9ZqopWlYU+ga2TTXJBmqO5OK1ZMhvMsDrk7BbluMBYo2WvdSEUYNL7/MIoNvik2N66VYvwYN+3qfP0Oh0kDumgAjjNeVBMKISCkDrfkzU2MPU4Q1UyyJKQ+Qgsk29tQcnsKK3qxBsWExuwdBNbPmBYkzfkBK/Mq9sR2x42l7gDcYxz7t2z8AudxKwQ4hyCyEuaf4jjwsDT9os+kvIE3OX/4r9ndli6G9WKQ5UIr6oqbGSbunVWZJeLZwPtAqRPAQbhfmQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=TtI0eDdg5zElavgBkh2PHVIBGWNxeFDMCtIPF9A/lqWrcYuOB8zaNdMBzWLeQ8XIxIkhwRYNMC6fCrzwJmdwYf1DvSoQBs/+tTX9YG/n2dV4ZAXXvApzodURwaVGmWoHxpZmWcZiej9Hds/Ynj+XZ9QffOU2tVlG1pXX/mtg+JqtogaaTR58mIrhrV50w/1NP6b53f9hbHpb3tikVij6FVNw1jYYkDmR5Cp129vR0yf/bkDCLNAD21sJtqcQN7ojCIRs3eg/bd5FAqiSrXN/tOberVrm+xbZaRGWwF1KFqPVrIrNfnhRsV1fU/rxi4XgRP5eF9F5/bTVQETnaxzSgA==; Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.67] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp229.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407778863; bh=EzOKWf0l1foJDYYoaiH7bW/2xJLiL9xQ6MTzrr3GfpI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=JZWdrIyiUl1oEK32mPslO461R+k7a/Yl+xGOhTfPzCs2oy07n6/Rtz2vuyjOsDPHyYRE0/+G0xi5+p7btGQpBtbCgsgfqIQspq+PE2QxrNthhDZooLUZDp5Z8nFb9SqvtnziT1ToJBD5fQs3rh6qYHU1qU2iWCQJ6Lwt6Ji2cdQ= PRdfKI7Q6OP7v0DMt58ei1gwXbGVJfIky.Y.okDQVqvuGJujchrZ0KN2GTsX rCZ67wpHaRoSh2Da.HPkuE5Iad_wFAN1A9m89clf8HxoY8saBAEJTRkOl4wk hp7yozx5fS0rhyOqNjGDZYxaXQrpxrV.noIyhF6hWMDWonGHU4LI6Ml2T6lx PXFrlca6HPaYvXxPu3EUW94fJFSGHmxS8qNJdOga037oAHf0Pnm5maL28UYi KdXSt92OXBcjQMNXh7d3K13Iea0mbwo.vuu83qF8bF7GzbyRDk5OvLbIU_g1 AN4zXHaaKoR9rfJiXYOyJ5t.upwbB1sgzoxfFi.cE1HD6yAak8PFMprsehu. POJSy7p.m8tTpliSheRDdFDWkMUo31v1z2DxZdIpO5HhttfQaDvbBP0rwacA pM5JPVTFKjjlzyONNMVgVZ6vKj7kLiseIfwvRzYaYng-- From: Wbeech Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:41:00 -0500 To: "" Subject: [TR] Caged nut substitute? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Needing to replace the caged nuts on my TR3 nosepiece and came across a clip style caged nut, 1/4x20, with little clips that hold the nut in place within the hole. Anyone with any BTDT recommendations? All the best, Bill B 1962 TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 13:07:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E2A2580A59 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A5925809CA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dTyv1o0021zF43QA6X7Yqr; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:07:32 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.4] ([98.255.164.156]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dX7X1o0043NmwNy8kX7Yqq; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:07:32 +0000 References: From: William Pugh Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 12:07:32 -0700 To: Wbeech s=q20140121; t=1407784052; bh=OIGEdBOeG9thzbS5xXXRoKba7DTC7JKN5Y4P8JuySZY=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=UOfmyXpjK9zBr1VR8t/xQ2WbucrYTUy0L1Y1G4xRoEnL2oyLmKYyFlYoa9P1i//eE IIXx6nb8TGZyfYi/kBtT/kVVIf4JpNxgDTJLrsRRXy3KEjhk+2/rl/d0fDzZpBzeZx zXazA2us9ElquVUXNH/Vk2TZc2Jd3mqYdObbEn5o+4cy3bHudNIbnqcLK41+gIpf5o F7fTzAIcpFn8YJiMKe49nXjHiQcycaTH7G1D0DcW4D7I0ndWNkQoL4oohTi8/giJxq HO/+5f92E5U9w+KsELkOop809LcZdT+IFU/mS0VJc5+fR/TfcYyqcmSWaWrWmLz46T JLxLJf5qtcs+w== Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Caged nut substitute? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net McMasters.com , every fastener ever made. Bill Pugh Wallace, CA > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Wbeech wrote: > > Needing to replace the caged nuts on my TR3 nosepiece and came across a clip > style caged nut, 1/4x20, with little clips that hold the nut in place within > the hole. > > Anyone with any BTDT recommendations? > > All the best, > Bill B > 1962 TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 13:11:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDFF2580A63 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:11:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2593A25809CA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:57151] helo=cdptpa-web03) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 93/6A-29281-8B419E35; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:08:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:08:40 +0000 From: Randall To: "" , Wbeech Sensitivity: Normal 2014 19:08:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Caged nut substitute? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Wbeech wrote: > Needing to replace the caged nuts on my TR3 nosepiece and came across a clip > style caged nut, 1/4x20, with little clips that hold the nut in place within > the hole. I really hate changing threads, especially those that are hidden from sight. So, faced with the same issue, I sourced some of the 1/4-28 caged nuts that Mark Macy shows on his website. I got mine at McMaster-Carr (who calls them "Easy-Align Weld Nuts"). http://www.mcmaster.com/#weld-nuts/=t8itdx They aren't a perfect drop-in, as they have a flange that is intended to protrude into the panel. You have to either enlarge the hole in the panel, or grind off the flange. But either approach is easy enough. BTW, I also picked up one of those cheap spot welders from HF, which worked a treat for attaching the nuts. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 13:16:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AB22580B2E for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:16:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1C325809CA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:16:16 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1407784610; bh=wauAEq94K2Bx50YWbaWo5Ge8eL5orx403cECwxGC+lk=; b=e1XDR3HXtpZAbFyJjIcwFxAdzIEXf7z5zj6iAG1hmzyF9oNep+1H6GuoNDoCqKC8R1rU9fK6eMBZSh+ATo3PL2NAhYm4ux561AZPAXTpY1b7bYPX8bHVPecwVXu9OtXUzh61p7pitp966uVnV8IMhAb+SaQaAln9MOrike5MUQFCZelW9agxrflgWqCDifITX7Mb7tx/hoqe6XIo03O3MDZaVHgTYMMlgV43m8tfC3xY7OotQv0y0SZM7scbAR1lw+em6OAYLJulNklL0FBw6Kt0pJmNrJXuBhpHNExbNqwwfUQNFlrCEunNwFX4DrmWuJt5ISQuU+bZB2IIMyHtTw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=P7WubtOp10X9VPIGFxNGCiBp4/ouzCHiBl66keCVqb+qwYBYZThnfxOTgVZ34FgyorCp40i0VqBPMWV0b0enCAJyRQ4Ef44ZKfD6ts9o4/Nkm/Iy1zNvn6onKEtqm5CYilOf/sXADEetms/T7U7PeOapc03oH6pJ7bNfOSpqrMNgfE09hR7+69xFpBvveq9+AXEIkLbTGVtGa9EeLkfEMaj0xqCEUMVcdy0pOupbgXBrSIMjnPMhe96Mw1umdxVRkuwTVZT9qeY+6W1sZgyeYITJkRFPjvZPq1kLEfkEO+elsv4FRwTOxPXiGG2bemt1zNy4AW8Yorr7FvZNIsglGg==; Received: from [216.39.60.184] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 19:16:50 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.201] by tm20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 19:16:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2014 19:16:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407784610; bh=wauAEq94K2Bx50YWbaWo5Ge8eL5orx403cECwxGC+lk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=O3zOHkFMmupLLT+B//NbdzDV4UXz1HQM2giiNB4NiuTI4HSGUiD9weo7+pPk/Oy8h4iLEAqiWgWZxh/FfQPVp5auHPLLEzc739vkxwF72Ou0i7Mlnroz818HRldJQR9LpHFWXWFGqayws88UFaV4ZuweRPDlbDdM+YOMZYMlZVM= RoD4NMd.aYflfz26MM7_Fore1wwnCc0_RCkbGwT82dssne.IEPUxoAgaLIwf wE4l3JEiEvdP3YSleOtX601m0j4y5HM6nGg.8xK1.BfGaWdBMjaqwBTcQORk Q6uNSLrq6L0v1fVkAXOHCUxJiH7YfquT9IagwFAPbKM9XROREeeqlHljcA__ P_cLRucuwYilA5SatTA6DOlkykggKh84SkIhf.Y93llDG4ro2p5L7pljGdr2 IFk4tV7xoZRyHcuaS_GKfIcKu4TTwNVnggUZqVUYZxgEZ9LaCQcb133xHyhp D3yqgpeVZO2Tbuw0MWLB1xLlV7n4eFPPuuYxSqFc33VZPD76k7fMF03uRDEY XCSu0cFovhORVkSLDywayFTsuvUH_nyjN0sV_ZsGBTlB.AxBRHfd.2oH.hgL aLdYTIcNHJsteGs8E_nzv74ldooOMu1MiwFeWIuANmyqxzx1hVmV16fBDotY AzNu6W.LZqnPrq_1rsVEih4TZ9DMq06W.V.7zcTzut0cQg9CysAD_ax3viY5 vskpkP5gK67_6Xzxx.rE5FbGKNuK49sQVzfN8D7tr3mDqdvfg1ygPhsqt2A- - References: From: Wbeech Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:16:47 -0500 To: William Pugh Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Caged nut substitute? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have found them. Have you ever used them? Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 11, 2014, at 2:07 PM, William Pugh wrote: McMasters.com , every fastener ever made. Bill Pugh Wallace, CA > On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Wbeech wrote: > > Needing to replace the caged nuts on my TR3 nosepiece and came across a clip > style caged nut, 1/4x20, with little clips that hold the nut in place within > the hole. > > Anyone with any BTDT recommendations? > > All the best, > Bill B > 1962 TR3B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 16:43:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7154925847F8 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25D12580A0F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:42:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-11745.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.61.228]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XGyJA-0004Ql-GS for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:43:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:44:11 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Just wondering about how many miles following a motor rebuild (TR 2-4) should re-torquing of head & setting of valve clearances take place? Should any other re-torquing be done as well? Manifolds, etc? What is the correct re-torquing method - back off the nut and re-tighten to spec or just tighten to spec? Should an oil & filter change be done at the same mileage, or would you get higher mileage on the original oil? Thanks for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 16:44:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228662584437 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22892580A0F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140811224501.RDUM29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:45:01 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id dal01o00j0jfpza01al1Q9; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:45:01 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=ldqhKrcaudoA:10 a=V-PLuagrnJoA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9HySchC8Yn7X2jorerYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:45:00 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHARkfwRLMVcj9A/zsdrncQIUXga5vq3vbw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I re-torque the head at about 500 miles, and yes it never hurts to make a pass around the manifolds as well. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 3:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Hello List: Just wondering about how many miles following a motor rebuild (TR 2-4) should re-torquing of head & setting of valve clearances take place? Should any other re-torquing be done as well? Manifolds, etc? What is the correct re-torquing method - back off the nut and re-tighten to spec or just tighten to spec? Should an oil & filter change be done at the same mileage, or would you get higher mileage on the original oil? Thanks for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 17:24:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1DB25848B7 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF312580B99 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:47055] helo=cdptpa-web03) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id F9/C3-18475-5C059E35; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:24:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:24:53 +0000 From: Randall To: Angelo Graham , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:24:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes to both head and manifold nuts. Not a bad idea to recheck the manifold nuts even at major tune-up intervals, IMO, as they do sometimes seem to back off with heat cycling. > What is the correct re-torquing method - back off the nut and re-tighten > to spec or just tighten to spec? For head nuts, definitely back off and retighten to spec. At those high torque levels, the threads exhibit "stiction", which means it takes more torque to start them moving than it took to get there. But it's less important for the manifold nuts, IMO. > Should an oil & filter change be done at the same mileage, or would you > get higher mileage on the original oil? I do. Especially if you've used a special break-in oil, as many suggest. But even with regular oil, I feel it's good to get any wear products out ASAP. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 17:31:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391932584A30 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:31:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066702580BAE for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so12484346vcb.34 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=diwosYOd04Yg8vWZEuTXZXN/7ivRfxP30qgqgHV5r2U=; b=kU/rtRmYrxabvEl/feCif+rmrkEXTOJdqCoucE5jKmKXmy7zIDve2UKZrobdzTFiD5 MhNFUlzgppLkFJXY0EBSr35E0tuBfJVXFb/nlh0gSZDRwRPENS8VJZkkJQA0VO5UB0Xk 0QqiHryqMHgRBKOIQ+uwuUIzf63X1uz3HR5CWy5Z1PtPcRKnjao84sqeLAeJexZb6rtn x+ze91EmWHqhaoYdPelJbiH3toRuG8H8gmiheFzP8jfGf87acILbp4SvtwmC+jdyBepQ el22ahJbtWtYo4uBdeIZ6L/wWjpEMRV7Degxe+acQ8jPFSrzTPvmoFqzdcJe9v82aWgu Tt7Q== v8mr173375vcq.50.1407799929148; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:32:09 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Lee Janssen Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The good news is that the gas sold 30 years ago was a much friendlier formula for long-term neglect. It will still be useless of course, but possibly not set up in the glue-like gunk that modern fuels revert to fairly quickly. Our club does 'revivals' where we attempt to start a long-dormant car. We have never been defeated and our longest 'sleep' thus far was an MGA that had not run in 31 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0cLnCdetxg By contrast, an MGA that had only sat about 6 months was very difficult. The valve train was so solidly glued in place from old fuel that the engine was seized. Lots of carb cleaner and a ball peen hammer were needed to get it loose. Geo On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Lee Janssen wrote: > So I have a friend who is moving from Denver to Los Alamos and he has a > 1973 MGB that has been sitting for the past 30 years. My friend, being an > auto mechanic by trade, did not drain the gas tank prior to this prolonged > storage (moron). > Since may of you have resolved this problem tell me how long will it take > to get the car running and what steps are required? > > Thanks Much > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 17:43:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692E62584A33 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:43:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7834258071A for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:50730] helo=cdptpa-web03) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id E8/C6-00396-D0559E35; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 23:43:09 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:43:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- dave n wrote: > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ > > on how to revive a sleeping car Doesn't go nearly far enough for a LBC stored 30 years, IMO. For example, there is no point at all in trying to change brake fluid; you might as well start by tearing down every cylinder (including clutch slave & master) for inspection and possible rebuild. Expect to replace several of them. Likely the rear cylinders will have leaked fluid into the drum, which means new shoes. Replace all the soft brake lines. Change all the soft fuel lines (to ethanol resistant); rebuild the fuel pump (same reason), etc. By 73 it probably has plastic floats in the carbs, which will need to be replaced (along with cleaning and a minor rebuild). Have the radiator "rodded out". Full chassis service; best practice is probably to disassemble, clean and relube anything with grease in it including wheel bearings, wiper motor and so on. Plan on new tires _before_ attempting any speed over 30 mph. Just for entertainment, this is what the clutch slave looked like on my "barn find" TR3 (stored just about 30 years). http://tinyurl.com/q7rme55 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 11 19:24:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9897125844BF for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335C8258447F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 19:23:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ddQT1o00A4oFfFQ01dQUm7; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:24:29 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "triumphs" References: <20140811234309.2STUV.171020.root@cdptpa-web03> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:24:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thanks for that, Randall. I have added your comments to the list. -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:43 PM To: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Rip Van Winkle ---- dave n wrote: > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ > > on how to revive a sleeping car Doesn't go nearly far enough for a LBC stored 30 years, IMO. For example, there is no point at all in trying to change brake fluid; you might as well start by tearing down every cylinder (including clutch slave & master) for inspection and possible rebuild. Expect to replace several of them. Likely the rear cylinders will have leaked fluid into the drum, which means new shoes. Replace all the soft brake lines. Change all the soft fuel lines (to ethanol resistant); rebuild the fuel pump (same reason), etc. By 73 it probably has plastic floats in the carbs, which will need to be replaced (along with cleaning and a minor rebuild). Have the radiator "rodded out". Full chassis service; best practice is probably to disassemble, clean and relube anything with grease in it including wheel bearings, wiper motor and so on. Plan on new tires _before_ attempting any speed over 30 mph. Just for entertainment, this is what the clutch slave looked like on my "barn find" TR3 (stored just about 30 years). http://tinyurl.com/q7rme55 -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave@ranteer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 10:42:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6194B25848E8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A1425807C1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NA700MPED3EBY40@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:42:52 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-12_06:2014-08-12,2014-08-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408120180 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:42:50 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Newbie oil filter question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. I just checked the oil on my new-to-me 1962 TR4 and need to replace it. The car has a Mann W719/14 filter on a Purolator filter adapter. What model K&N filter should I buy? Thanks for putting up with such a noob question! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 10:49:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E555258489E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:49:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f41.google.com (mail-yh0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBF925802EC for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b6so7763123yha.14 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; bh=bVznzQx+dpk5EdSs7XCc9TsZlNjNsmjWIyZfGbs5x5I=; b=kJnYIxobdytc8kOXFOIQbEFfIZzl5Ak9uTiF3CBTOD+ldvdZYCH1EZDptYH7Agr5Ki K5cMq2JSZzqgcX6cypgAw4vtkmJAmweN4Dcvq/Tk5LcrLeTRgFTxsLNK35xv6I8+Nim/ 9VTLbdlqkkT8ZR9lMYqhP6bKgXe165WKbgpgWy7Mmvu2BDehtCtNF+Esd/ClHNch8bsu K1/ftga5wu8SpTno61eWfLT9cLxqNr+j7V2ZInTVEXhDWLGyRuU5FNYu3EBK4A1a6dJn Cl8lJJeW2s06qHmL+EM5zr92L6pcPfp888Bq2974dEvldG0RSYJEC7/Twl7G3rtc5t7N Kt5g== f51mr38019146yha.106.1407862066625; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.17.24.42] ([216.255.244.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c63sm31145309yhn.51.2014.08.12.09.47.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Aug 2014 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Henningsen Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:47:46 -0400 To: "" Subject: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I am a little rusty when it comes to installing the tranny back in my six. I have a special threaded dowel for the 12 o'clock hole on engine block to act as a guide. Am I supposed to have dowels at the 2 and 8 o'clock positions too? I had heard from one person to install a dowel in huge hole just above the top starter mount hole. Any help would be appreciated as I think it would speed up my install time. Last time I did one with only one dowel and it took the two of us 45 minutes of wiggling. Oh, the motor is installed and I have it attached to a hoist so I can adjust up and down as needed without resting on the firewall. Thanks in advance. Jim henningsen Ocala fl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 11:21:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0236A25848EC for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:21:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC732258044F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l4so5416998lbv.1 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zUWT+Q8L/3LejOzcH50LYu5P7kDI2fFG6lAalcxeU60=; b=N+T9Z1NU56f4lMZz9X+vsLxqHes8Vd1bFYCRVNYD0fWCWe5I+YuBpQ+uRdsmkzVDdF HjdRMw7sJFRx4KJQ/TbF+2t0Tp4NA2LoJDtVfiQoJLTv5hxjNWiu4nOUGmNN9ZSIJN9u yuKrFOgAtcME+O+GFDYLAMM+AbDGTcX7VQ/HtlKAbtOEMRoehnzzcCk8MSXQuArBXAQ2 NI00yyDMj3Tq15Qs2Uzt1X5nYN/tzFOIlzBZZz6ZiCkRHnGj3XK5tT9OY68PBBK1Jl/B g92K+0arH2yLh4BRIsv0uDYzyEpeVXd5LIuVvChCn2awZi7w023Jip9JGxL94PFHyrgL WI1A== t10mr5467951lbt.54.1407864064664; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:21:04 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Jim Henningsen Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There are two holes that should have tight-fitting dowels in them. Scroll to the bottom of this page: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/LocatingDowels.htm and look for the yellow arrows. I ordered dowels from TRF along with my alignment shaft and a bunch of other stuff. They don't help so much for getting things lined up during install, but legend has it that they are essential for proper clutch operation. As for putting the thing in, patience is your friend. That, and making sure that a.) you got the clutch disc centered, and b.) that you didn't let the disc hang on the input shaft and get misaligned. Other than that, wiggle and turn, wiggle and turn. Eventually you will find the secret combination of swear words that unlock the transmission and allow it to jump on the engine. Whatever you do, don't force it, though. You have the back of the motor jacked up slightly, don't you? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: > List: > I am a little rusty when it comes to installing the tranny back in my six. I > have a special threaded dowel for the 12 o'clock hole on engine block to act > as a guide. Am I supposed to have dowels at the 2 and 8 o'clock positions > too? I had heard from one person to install a dowel in huge hole just above > the top starter mount hole. Any help would be appreciated as I think it would > speed up my install time. Last time I did one with only one dowel and it took > the two of us 45 minutes of wiggling. Oh, the motor is installed and I have > it attached to a hoist so I can adjust up and down as needed without resting > on the firewall. > Thanks in advance. > Jim henningsen > Ocala fl > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 11:24:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF2E258490F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:24:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E6AE258044F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 6445 invoked by uid 0); 12 Aug 2014 17:24:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2014 17:24:19 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id dtQB1o00b1NzpT901tQEw5; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:24:18 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=7xp-n2sH91sA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=DQzkQ8SNwoxWLue0spAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=57647 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XHFnw-0008UL-RO; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:24:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:24:06 -0500 To: Jim Henningsen , "" From: Tony Drews References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another tip - put the tranny in 4th gear and rotate the output shaft a bit when you get close. That helps align the splines into the clutch disk. That's always the hardest part. Tony At 11:47 AM 8/12/2014, Jim Henningsen wrote: >List: >I am a little rusty when it comes to installing the tranny back in my six. I >have a special threaded dowel for the 12 o'clock hole on engine block to act >as a guide. Am I supposed to have dowels at the 2 and 8 o'clock positions >too? I had heard from one person to install a dowel in huge hole just above >the top starter mount hole. Any help would be appreciated as I think it would >speed up my install time. Last time I did one with only one dowel and it took >the two of us 45 minutes of wiggling. Oh, the motor is installed and I have >it attached to a hoist so I can adjust up and down as needed without resting >on the firewall. >Thanks in advance. >Jim henningsen >Ocala fl > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 11:26:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B8E2584D7D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808F02584911 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:26:31 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1407864426; bh=QiXFyqjwaM59kjNxZPM0kH7vTAnhgzh1e+hL+2R3nSE=; b=IyLFvjlh1CyYPUfhwo6CnilXrZzyN2UjVtN/22aanuOZAjDeAsmS6hbkUMZxCxkVnsjxXVwB9uF/PWtuxjKKFtbm7XVlQUAECBWA2QZYRdC9KN7fZ82IN1fBbmmtLZrCIZCuJ7KdFupgWooqp5GAPAn6Eao48d0eTNUFFVQGBSVwjSvi6hP/IRPESCgI+SMbheTtP99FtqoRsn+C5kgKV9vjk5HmsNXaW8HI5WW30sDW/3xhcJ4MPsgAhFbBFQ5VdowFS5K4grzSEbdKGAPSjOdLHAPKFoHozBXK/p5hzDysB2m5Rn+r4d/1J+glk8u25igrm/ezoJu3dDFqSlKpSg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=alDb4ELRvctVtFZQwzsNxr1U6ugqbGghFr3PlilidzB9qXyefxSp+mBKIyKzLLykA+eBz7Cq2ZBuVraAJ6RA0Wuf9GUBlcpLwmNHggptLdAMA2LhJn+jQHLu/P9DtGEt2A+2NR0yxUpBol5v+87mYJTmxGJ3U1LymIfLIAGdw+wVrfyQx5YJh8CNBQ3YLcNzQ5Hrdd9tdhFHBzqK+SXlri7WaWTYIZ7DhTdJwS2YssNBVSSmTaq8jWYdRiNERokFCbn6tGe+Uwti0VWMMhH0jpEkCqbTDETviK+whLyg5QNmX9iHQ0RLPM/IINooxbY1+GIUbQfTqePWovpxG6HaWQ==; Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2014 17:27:06 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.96] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2014 17:27:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2014 17:27:06 -0000 s=s1024; t=1407864426; bh=QiXFyqjwaM59kjNxZPM0kH7vTAnhgzh1e+hL+2R3nSE=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:thread-index; b=0c3QfzxW1doo0i7ffsN2UoL19sB710UeQFx1b1TEDBzN5TUnqa4g2ROdhqnY2WFnOeGK0ldTi4xlVTzx2zzdZ0kdY5SM4FdyRZ0n82UDG1NX8EYtcwj9d0FNyjO7qvN02hpNvJDnnNiYXfHjJHGIOI90zo3qjEG9mimbx7FJ5v8= bygcqqT0nQB3zSSAdPihODcaN8zTeYxHfeYRCVIr1Pc0boBwxLsY0iRyr_5l EkodWZV4RU5zsg0X9l7AiMBGvMxMGsFsdltQSeiWyeBVguptTv484wFVzi8g VPQIZ5mW3nnqrdjMhwEuGQl_vXtXSPFKmPfYOXHklsF4wklFevqjvohgS.Qr 1SRTp7Gv.6GOzkb5AFvapZfgI3B58mv8TlxAeprrv940K0MMkPkeUlep18oj eXht.f.o3j3DhjcW4OWpOGYx1YjqUoTXejXzTAtBhKrn85RYTEJ3Jr19UsOX a6pnbsBGjWZZDdSAH3_DehZLSt3YNo32DUPHYYK5TeXxWav.B8xnqguaEJHR fjiQaXmVo6NpEZxQuIA0JjZqARF26Tlf2eVZ13LtkGrPHk72FXtj_RSa5csd B1O9Sz_NI4BGxZb0Jst.VFLJ8_VVCEmlZp1i2N7nmKYcCDyejiE7K.gOPOH3 muFgaezBBk2woje.zt.YSpN_ppWPwbVKsWhL0uYm48_WE6OpAf7pkYTQ91la 2TlQa7EcAO7tWeAdewMcpJpCDO0gDTUYT3CnD From: To: "'Jim Henningsen'" , References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:27:11 -0500 thread-index: Ac+2TV+eLQQFJKtKQZ2f9SCWpLPK1wAAyN2w Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like the same process I used for my TR3 trans install. I just used the top dowel, this seems to give a little more wiggle room to get everything else lined up. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:48 AM To: Subject: [TR] Tranny install question List: I am a little rusty when it comes to installing the tranny back in my six. I have a special threaded dowel for the 12 o'clock hole on engine block to act as a guide. Am I supposed to have dowels at the 2 and 8 o'clock positions too? I had heard from one person to install a dowel in huge hole just above the top starter mount hole. Any help would be appreciated as I think it would speed up my install time. Last time I did one with only one dowel and it took the two of us 45 minutes of wiggling. Oh, the motor is installed and I have it attached to a hoist so I can adjust up and down as needed without resting on the firewall. Thanks in advance. Jim henningsen Ocala fl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 12:23:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7794A25848F4 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC265258448B for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 23-248-150-65.tpia.execulink.com ([23.248.150.65]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XHGkA-0005sH-4y for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:24:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:24:28 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 seatbelt installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: I am installing lap belts in my TR2 and have checked the archives for some background with no real clear answers. I intend to anchor the inside belt to the part of the trans/drive shaft tunnel that is welded to the floor. This puts the anchor bolt in "shear" position, which I have been told is OK. Just not clear on where to put the anchor for the outside belt. Thought of the wheel-well as the metal appears to be quite solid. Not sure of the sloping shelf panels behind the seats as they appear to be boxed sections & access may not work. Any advice on mounting location? Using high strength reinforcing washers and Grade 8 hardware. Thanks for any help with this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 14:50:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9982584560 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F022584497 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id dwoE1o00P4oFfFQ01woJ2Y; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:48:18 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:45:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Newbie oil filter question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/filters/ I believe that all the spin on adapters are the same. please correct me if I am wrong btw my preference is wix; wix also makes the filters for napa; drop the first digit from the wix number and you'll have the napa number -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Gayton Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:42 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Newbie oil filter question Greetings. I just checked the oil on my new-to-me 1962 TR4 and need to replace it. The car has a Mann W719/14 filter on a Purolator filter adapter. What model K&N filter should I buy? Thanks for putting up with such a noob question! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 15:45:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6900D2584568 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4071258065E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:44:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dxaS1o00527AodY5ExlHod; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:45:17 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dxlG1o00F5DXkUJ3fxlHqu; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:45:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:45:16 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <53E9473B.6030902@execulink.com> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Post motor rebuild re-torque Thread-Index: JKrOY/aa7Ad3/+H2s40H+72djBjTMA== s=q20140121; t=1407879917; bh=0yCpEl2l3rVUw2T+jqnjywKl18q2oBq7VM4vKwPdxw8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=TkR5TmHbMMiFz5cWI8ZVdQge10OlcKuUCF0YC5xAIs5ww5TGFq2Qr9wDtUkh06Vm5 75ArQ69G6l9GlHS2EVTUHOOriXG7uUZN/bOVg3xSFuD4lnsMgTsw7D04H/VE/ui8+K 9+d4WeK7L6eFV/hDnIrbQJnPM3bdxX/ieZsH0CvMT+WmM0OF0SjdydE3jYPamxRgG3 zYVxRijgpjUrn+cvn3Zg6Lxe/Pvt6znmRXs778svmEGcvV4wxa38+K/T7we/Ux7F3f GXls/GccEs7aQuKJmWat6zlwaooPh/3qyqFowR2LxBJpfGJDAjysGRgeiiztvNtlsZ jxlrGN+j3F0/w== Subject: Re: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >What is the correct re-torquing method - back off the nut and re-tighten >to spec or just tighten to spec? Just to add to what others have said, I've finally found that the Head nuts that are outside the valve cover are dry as a bone, while those inside are nicely oiled. Backing off the "outside" nuts, then retorquing always finished with a screeching sound (I think Randal had a name for it). This last time, I oiled the studs outside so that they would be equally oiled as the studs inside and so they would torque evenly. Probably unnecessary, but I seemed to feel like I got a more accurate torquing of the normally "dry" outside studs. Terry Smith, 1959 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 15:50:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731372584542 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6C0258065E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 15:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dwk01o0080Fqzac5DxohZd; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id dxoh1o00V5DXkUJ3UxohJK; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:48:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:48:41 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <439F71AF5337411E8E0D1E7025206110@Ranteer.local> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Newbie oil filter question Thread-Index: okLdaTHKWwm270Onof4DmXbZV60Fdw== s=q20140121; t=1407880121; bh=gA+A3iYUV7LVBQwkWv1vA9QpdkvQoopascoS3PRG3G8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dibclVuCRFjol0Tx9z/PZADpBJGsUxnn3EE1td9+BgvetKaBKSHfdHDdFGoXYdqIi aaXSyH9OrnmnaftXAS7EAfbRIAbr53niZxkHtsh5BPzmQEYagIatNCZGh3mN2vLLmZ avFjHGqloYGUy7vd99QcDLFJ7J2YMHUhq/ImUm0cfnoQcFJVkmpkGh6SLMb7gboZ0F rPnjR1+3bOgrFXVKKxWxkqrQkzdqXzcNA71m9kab23y2kyigXSgzqMOcY2m8sN8hvs vBaQvckpHHotqlxfdbMOdi9wRxROobsH0HcSRQrR8gZc/CMulMMftGjvHo+7sAHtTv Lq7zGWJioFc3Q== Subject: Re: [TR] Newbie oil filter question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >btw my preference is wix; wix also makes the filters for napa; drop the >first digit from the wix number and you'll have the napa number Ditto on WIX and NAPA. Quality filters. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 17:51:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D625851D9 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B0E2580520 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:49:13 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:52836] helo=cdptpa-web12) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 4D/99-18475-C18AAE35; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 23:49:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 23:49:48 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net, terryrs@comcast.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:49:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Post motor rebuild re-torque Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While I agree with your efforts as far as consistency is concerned, I believe I have read that you are generally supposed to take torque readings with all threads dry. Greg Lemon ---- terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > >What is the correct re-torquing method - back off the nut and re-tighten > >to spec or just tighten to spec? > > Just to add to what others have said, I've finally found that the Head nuts that are outside the valve cover are dry as a bone, while those inside are nicely oiled. Backing off the "outside" nuts, then retorquing always finished with a screeching sound (I think Randal had a name for it). This last time, I oiled the studs outside so that they would be equally oiled as the studs inside and so they would torque evenly. Probably unnecessary, but I seemed to feel like I got a more accurate torquing of the normally "dry" outside studs. > > Terry Smith, 1959 TR3A > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:24:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FA525845A3 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:24:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F382580AE8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52444] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D0/5E-15796-850BAE35; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:24:57 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jim Henningsen" , References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:24:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My one man method which has always worked pretty good is to align and support everything eyeballed to be as straight as possible, then put on a pair of old jeans or overalls, sit on the tunnel behind the tranny and push forward with your feet on the lip of the bell housing on both sides while gently wiggling the tail shaft with your hands, works like a charm, but still sometimes they go home very quickly, and sometimes the seem to be a little, or a lot more stubborn. That happy moment where it lines up and slides on the last inch or whatever is one of the more satisfying feelings in wrenching. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:30:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAF4258457B for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (mail-ob0-f175.google.com [209.85.214.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317A72580AE8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id wp18so7781498obc.34 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=IwCMVv66d3J9PvkAr0SNsJC4NUCJuoeVb7zkyFGXCiQ=; b=09g4W6x6Nla+vsao3ycxl7Ymr0rNKe/b8c3i6kHMkIrsT5XaCpYSzk6o5LCEuqGS/s xzzV0StLvpw22VqPSXdJe7V5WNhj4CQg7pxXo5cVgPRDct95iZxVTTDMqdWbOKKKre6L bo0fn0+3bysqXv+wRsKSSM+bzwRvg4O+szpvNI5+Ax6o3nu3q6KLKjOVlaj/KQhAeq1E b/+fuKjN3Q0Ha3gFXBbUGgyZMklx4JlvTPQbQ1LwJ7m4Pt+sxhPrlRvBXiiDXewFZDq5 RkG4pcmM+XeZAHkrsWd02yrOw02G5nFxCBj83BOtREVi4kMifb3vzj3HbCdxIOoQVmOP vMsQ== Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s10sm357652obx.29.2014.08.12.17.30.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:30:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Tony Drews'" , References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> <53ea4dc4.495e460a.0847.2736SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:30:43 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGEiDB5FV8bXfefMubFcNBMuKxx7wGHM7LynFfQyPA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony and all who responded. I was missing the dowels so just did a quick order with 2 day shipping (ouch). This list is one of the reasons I have stayed in the Triumph brand and have not swayed to another sports car brand. You all are great. Getting close to firing up the spare tired motor to get my TR6 to the VTR! We need to make this one of the biggest ever for attendance! We can do this. The Florida gang is coming! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony@tonydrews.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:24 PM To: Jim Henningsen; Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Another tip - put the tranny in 4th gear and rotate the output shaft a bit when you get close. That helps align the splines into the clutch disk. That's always the hardest part. Tony At 11:47 AM 8/12/2014, Jim Henningsen wrote: >List: >I am a little rusty when it comes to installing the tranny back in my >six. I have a special threaded dowel for the 12 o'clock hole on engine >block to act as a guide. Am I supposed to have dowels at the 2 and 8 >o'clock positions too? I had heard from one person to install a dowel >in huge hole just above the top starter mount hole. Any help would be >appreciated as I think it would speed up my install time. Last time I >did one with only one dowel and it took the two of us 45 minutes of >wiggling. Oh, the motor is installed and I have it attached to a hoist >so I can adjust up and down as needed without resting on the firewall. >Thanks in advance. >Jim henningsen >Ocala fl > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 18:39:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5632584841 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f50.google.com (mail-oa0-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473712580AE8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 18:39:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id g18so7963647oah.9 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=TrQlKo2SHb8zorW8p/HYorWgqQMa8GNCfTRUpOcilOs=; b=O2Hfdg6zE8dcRkeCa6YnCvyWJJgAFfy+vFmPXAXhJggKsBiMgDwMHdKaiqkjUDCsqx +MK97+cln9YaD0ZzYdaKSkFpG+faCqT9VAu0XOdkMzMSciqDn4sb3GNYR6g86sDeZSJc Q21IukhLa25iskrBN/omm/xMPk3Fk+9FKWeQKtrJ9erZ5jrfJ3/EsJkEBnTxKp02RSVW yZdb/HqBLLc1yAhupqSJLvx/fT1NEZmCmocF33CliSnJ69qMvgeHCwAHkkwHEauWNkME YwbqmNsOFBzmtPuCYhJQj4oNZIocO94qWHk9gBMhBTzd/lNUWHbF6v0fc8MOvPFFoWso niUQ== r2mr1059538oel.69.1407890384381; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h1sm513788oem.5.2014.08.12.17.39.43 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:39:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Greg Lemon'" , References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> <3DC4156E90D24C91848DC20EE1513808@livingroompc> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 20:40:09 -0400 Thread-Index: AQGEiDB5FV8bXfefMubFcNBMuKxx7wIPD4JTnFOVKCA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks and amen to that last line. When it slides in, it is a very good feeling indeed. Especially after wrestling with it for half an hour or more. Cheers, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lemon [mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:25 PM To: Jim Henningsen; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question My one man method which has always worked pretty good is to align and support everything eyeballed to be as straight as possible, then put on a pair of old jeans or overalls, sit on the tunnel behind the tranny and push forward with your feet on the lip of the bell housing on both sides while gently wiggling the tail shaft with your hands, works like a charm, but still sometimes they go home very quickly, and sometimes the seem to be a little, or a lot more stubborn. That happy moment where it lines up and slides on the last inch or whatever is one of the more satisfying feelings in wrenching. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 12 19:48:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9633F2580AE8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:48:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5CD2580539 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265592C00D2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:48:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:48:36 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> <3DC4156E90D24C91848DC20EE1513808@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] Tranny install question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg Lemon wrote: > That happy moment where it lines up and slides on the last inch or whatever is one of the more satisfying feelings in wrenching. In one of Carroll Smith's "X to Win" books he talks about a night when he and a well known race driver were working well into the night to get the car ready for morning practice. They offer up the gearbox to the engine, and it slides home right away. They look at each other, and both conclude that the spigot bushing was not installed in the flywheel which is why it slid right in. They pull the tranny out to look and there in the flywheel is the spigot bushing. The second attempt to mate took a LOT longer. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 04:01:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7A5258472E for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:01:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D78025809A4 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 04:00:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id l6so3871738qcy.19 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 03:00:57 -0700 (PDT) h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:from:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=AvP87FPdxZR+f2e8Uv2vJMavkyj3v4YWPNq5AZVeclM=; b=D/YjRT28gt4oCTeTSOnl3ihZj3Y4UhDCXphJGPu3Cks7W1Ctxf1OySZrMsS32yhxq6 q6MCsN7oQmdUx8z67PnN+GyfELkWY5WhMBmIdONrgODdJLXZSq7K+GGxxSOPuuXVjU8Q dUZPkbnYCAV15XIN+5Yvb2dP+/1AdcaxlC8rAbqYP9HXMY4LLYdNSAlJ6zd2y0SNEst0 2RW5FcyGKxEv/aRj+zWwChf5pud4SrAajenyVg4d2SNDB1j9nqW02ueShfe5h3tqMUqx dPlSNSljusJ0cT+fYZybvgVLhjCtVuCrW/SMFd9EhjSyYT/EV8/dfIQH0bfpW227LU/p /Zcg== dk2mr5156185qcb.8.1407924057404; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 03:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.18] (68-189-241-246.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com. [68.189.241.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y93sm1630414qgy.2.2014.08.13.03.00.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 03:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom B Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 06:00:56 -0400 References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> <53ea4dc4.495e460a.0847.2736SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <00a601cfb68d$d23ed1d0$76bc7570$@gmail.com> To: "" Subject: [TR] Car shipping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Has anyone used A1A express auto shipping to ship a car I am ok with unknowns just want to knowing they should be avoided Thanks Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 09:05:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F6E2584965 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:05:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33FD2580750 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 09:04:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hq11so15193752vcb.16 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HlnrZnm5CM7DDj1urnJY2A7vgZQ8WP7bLdd0jgiTsl8=; b=Br7DRyMfqDBnTTX6c79vqzr3wSK6sDGXKIO3H7DiSzW6KlBXS8MoZ/6iQA7wyUYAiL H4Z5KTZLjRKNtPs1a3Ig+7DvVZosl/rFNrV2RONFZsGnFvmoyY6QpiA6Fb7T8yni/ppH 6KBP2PzAHdRwW82EktID12KNv4MHfbEsxB0F1Qjywx7AeMTX6zy39zxKXuVDwxgZNPIj yy/kujoYj0Kq7KnJbJ9p1XqHMsfP6jJqY71FEYYlxJP268FOxfIMmLhjRw4VwphQgjAC WFlAioZbndr0S2rxcfMvr+ReyYKHa54CvdUL1+ZVQj5g7pSmGQCywjjHmvLCby34x0NI 7bCA== og9mr4273622vcb.18.1407942310125; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:10 -0700 (PDT) References: <014679D4-21D6-4401-83FB-085A58CF5477@gmail.com> <53ea4dc4.495e460a.0847.2736SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <00a601cfb68d$d23ed1d0$76bc7570$@gmail.com> <45965C6E-D9B9-4E72-B775-322EC13B7855@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:05:10 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Tom B Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:00 AM, Tom B wrote: > Has anyone used A1A express auto shipping to ship a car... I haven't, but in my opinion something to ask (if you haven't already) is whether they own their own trucks & do the drivers work for them -- or do they turn around and farm out the job to an independent? Your car is only as safe & secure as the driver and truck involved. If it gets farmed out you will not only know little or nothing about the team but it could indeed be changing transport & drivers along the way. I've never had an problem shipping a car but I like to know exactly who will have it, that it will stay with that driver and transport the entire journey and have the cell phone number of the driver should anything arise. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 16:21:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB8E2584927 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:21:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9338325803B2 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:21:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982052C01FD for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:22:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:22:11 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Wiper motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So there is this TR4A down at Bailey's shop that is slowly coming together. Today's setback was being told by the electrical shop that the wiper motor is toast, not rebuildable. But the Lucas RR3A square body two speed unit was pretty common on cars of that era, so hopefully a working example can be quickly acquired. Sources, approximate prices, anyone? First thing I'll do is look for one in my own garage. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 16:41:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0C82584546 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:41:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7A22584512 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:40:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52212C01FD for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:41:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:41:01 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <53EBE513.7010801@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That should be a DR3A motor. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 17:13:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EBB2584959 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:13:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.farmside.co.nz (mx1.farmside.co.nz [118.82.130.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DAD2584508 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 17:12:40 -0600 (MDT) x-ip-name=118.82.188.207; Received: from AshleysPC (unverified [118.82.188.207]) by farmside.co.nz (mail) with ESMTP id 89139871-1739096 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:13:12 +1200 From: "ashleys" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:13:09 +1200 Subject: [TR] TR3B For Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a rebuilt LHD TR3B here in New Zealand.The only known 3B in NZ great touring sports car. For further details check-- www.Trademe.co.nz listing number 766749303 many thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 13 18:19:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E205D2584ADD for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:19:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F572584506 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:18:49 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=hC1AOjOYjoUA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=k9IzgLeNAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WmPB3Vk_lCwl8ruFSgIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T1jTriLPLxoA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=lWTJgv+OKdCvdYU8ulrJLg==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.6] ([10.35.79.6:13791] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 02/E3-04728-C800CE35; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:19:24 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=hC1AOjOYjoUA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=k9IzgLeNAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WmPB3Vk_lCwl8ruFSgIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=T1jTriLPLxoA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50365] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 04/36-31188-C800CE35; Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:19:24 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "Mark J Bradakis" References: <53EBE513.7010801@bradakis.com> <53EBE97D.7010409@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:23:42 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper motor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, I might have one that is rebuildable. Well, actually, I tried to rebuild it a long time ago and I screwed up the brush holder. Everything else was OK. I think a replacement brush holder could be made. Let me know if you want it and send me your mailing address. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Wiper motor > That should be a DR3A motor. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 07:28:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCFE25845AC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:28:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822E72580783 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ecPm1o0031ei1Bg59dV6Wy; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:29:06 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id edV61o00L2Azwqi3kdV6tt; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:29:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:29:05 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: TR6 clutches Thread-Index: bEmvRFgrFkfvesO8/VT7mk9D4DQYRw== s=q20140121; t=1408022946; bh=vV2UYZyHsLuqhZfFh5A+Is0d1seQXIt+/3yZuZVmoCA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=a+hCjdzpwqJEXl8uG906OPI3gM+Gz8bJyDiBJTr5/27ZSKbt4B9pxarTlNAP5lIiP rOaqYNmDFn/q5p1goBOnrxo8cmtVhyQsDMgCMxW6APingdQyq3cHJnExeZ5W0gc3LA XU2tE9jGWFQ1FVZ7KOnlR+HRzhNga3H/+ATFDpK1DMSg/bibzfjFDFh9AdBMN0iiO8 sNgu9DCBsY9WWyTsuTlcow3f+bqruuklGbGVrd+DiUZ97Yw4R/x6d2khUj/7ADAat1 YCN0EA09KggwKkcm4cVs9hfpU/+bAPJVzfgoTo0Tt799YREWrO1HhzEUCa8VloX9th VYsSqOucUMEOw== Subject: [TR] TR6 clutches Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B What currently available combo of TR6 pressure plate, disc, and throwout bearing actually works? I don't wish to rehash all the 'net discussions, just want to know if someone out there has found a currently available combo that functions properly. B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 13:48:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DB52584EE7 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:48:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.55]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4982580731 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:48:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 19:48:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm48.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.172] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 19:45:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 19:45:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 84687 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2014 19:45:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408045550; bh=7rLo+XQVJ5HWpWWkUAoOtaW+aSLyADXulB1YUwlH37c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=iDj6hb/m59ia8iuuuYBRQAXZBeB5CCRr5RUBS4fWnQvbz1pLxC1jXWtX89ivQ3xcBVfU9zJRwcFk5murzUqTzWxkAbRcmVD+5QSQcB6FGUnSRBM9SJfuIKdL/grQodKLUIZWEY2hoh/llZL/H1/Qb0Cqih+NMd+YrU9T43pwz0Y= BAzLcDdyDD_kYeA6QufAZ5vg78zpdv85Se5Ru2Mlfvc55xQjcW0vaY4q5bLd MGXcIcfYTqoh1co5fkU.WoYITEPIQDDtUs6dNf_0EQ7lSqhng5ZdnI0raIue t5S9R5CJKHZQSHa1gYu7SPIrwksrYg3mAYxAqMROlTVLlvWVqlp19kYOApqd 5oaSogGFjvzfPBb7.EbtnSI6AtX4aXofrPCcbJEi9ElHVvXWCgQCQtrOr7kF fokjhwq4XOb3yyfZ6yeiaewftTHHCSqMpjwouByCBAEFUGb7zrq_xNAR6tKs q_hCHA3XD3LvDr44gVZI5w2JmUyJawk0mtJvgOQ9mI.G4.uLuCc690wtJtAz eJXZ14J_e.K9bI.pSFALn55Kt_rXTGBVeU5n64aPW8ql9ywlTj5ECqtOQzgZ Kh4tQR8fJQSJjALTDRi6ncNkjaoFKZWynHrbDpPNguTdH9.LI6W2hCyAXDG7 h.nVtRHUKliWstsyJMYwWIJvUPHvBm9..BIBenGFiFNcpWFNNXSv.PZw_ngZ T Received: from [96.243.34.43] by web120402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:45:50 PDT CgrCoERhdGU6IFdlZCwgMTMgQXVnIDIwMTQgMTY6MjI6MTEgLTA2MDBGcm9tOiBNYXJrIEogQnJhZGFraXMgPG1hcmtAYnJhZGFraXMuY29tPgpUbzogVHJpdW1waHMgPFRyaXVtcGhzQGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0PgpTdWJqZWN0OiBbVFJdIFdpcGVyIG1vdG9yCk1lc3NhZ2UtSUQ6IDw1M0VCRTUxMy43MDEwODAxQGJyYWRha2lzLmNvbT4KQ29udGVudC1UeXBlOiB0ZXh0L3BsYWluOyBjaGFyc2V0PVVURi04OyBmb3JtYXQ9Zmxvd2VkCgpTbyB0aGVyZSBpcyB0aGlzIFRSNEEgZG93biBhdCBCYWlsZXkncyBzaG8BMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:45:50 -0700 From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] (no subject) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:22:11 -0600From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Wiper motor charset=UTF-8; format=flowed So there is this TR4A down at Bailey's shop that is slowly coming together. Today's setback was being told by the electrical shop that the wiper motor is toast, not rebuildable. But the Lucas RR3A square body two speed unit was pretty common on cars of that era, so hopefully a working example can be quickly acquired. Sources, approximate prices, anyone? First thing I'll do is look for one in my own garage. mjb. ------- Hi mark! I have one that you might want. please contact me off line @TR4A2712@yahoo.com -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:07:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BF42584E91 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:07:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600a.its.queensu.ca (bc600a.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595122580762 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:07:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S26.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.26]) by bc600a.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id khCUjudnzUNAf5rM for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.1.51]) by MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:07:36 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: TR4A Sputtering Thread-Index: Ac+3+WHRuIuZSDniSEqbCjWeXHvivg== Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:07:36 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M, HTML_MESSAGE breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I've been fighting a problem with our TR4A for a couple of years and it just won't go away. Symptom is a "sputtering" at high-way speeds. Performance seems fine - it just becomes no fun on longer trips. Our annual fall sojourn to Stowe is coming up and I'm looking for ideas. So far: * replaced defective stainless steel muffler that had incomplete welds on the intake - lifetime warranty honoured by TRF - thanks guys! * fixed problem with coil to distributor wire which was not fully "home" in distributor resulting in pin making poor contact - checked all other plug wires at pins - ok * installed NEW plug wires (yellow/black) and distributor cap * perhaps unrelated, but replaced fuel pump that went bad 2 years ago in Stowe - replacement was Moss reproduction Any thoughts? Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:19:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0335F2584E91 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A902584E30 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:18:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id x13so1592053qcv.36 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:19:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3ctyHeASVHA8SnPDAI8UsIVINi+HOayicw1KHFptK3A=; b=w3HnYBabQeoDmR2aB4BMZ4gCMShrFA38PWdCSM6t7t2H6ngPbIxHrZXCVnqCI50OBR bkwgitMxyZoEVWCf0Fpz3F/0qyMFhJLij8lDJcbKTlx+K+KS0bN8bipge7US2jKhgf5m I3YpUuDTvopWb8s8ID0o1ldRxBJ3w+3OP1xxFNqICqiLRd/egAMK0dqHC8mf5U8mrzL2 avUcKprsY8wWoMNa8aj1xgWrX6jrAQvgXMYqIQGQ9X2Ym4Ygtmt1PrbWyLcl+mtvohLV NL9azVksLI2uN9zHLSYOHwu2GzpP2P6et2zABIC31Kzup6mqTNJFKGJNDT+13q9Xwtec xfZQ== j5mr21145833qcl.14.1408047562982; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.92.48 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:19:22 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Brian Thomas Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > * installed NEW plug wires (yellow/black) and distributor cap > A friend who owns an auto parts store told me a few years ago that there were a lot of bad distributor rotors out there for the tractor engine cars. He sourced some from another provider and I never had another issue with my TR4 vintage race car. I also know that TR6 rotors were an issue for a while as well. When was the last time you changed yours? When mine went bad, it started out as a high speed misfire. Irv Korey 74 TR6 CF22767U Highland Park, IL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:34:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097572584ECD for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:34:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D03258043D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:33:35 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1408048451; bh=fK/ZpU5ecGAw9pNH1Tz6xHQMfuL9hBTw9+E6Dvg73K8=; b=OCGlYcrVLH4jF2r42hlXh0B+g2Az9wznmH9oo9hTuc9kAXdbxmM2LWpfOEIGylaNyPkJvYJbGy6EPO1kyyOH1M8+JaazAiQy/cdvT6EpaUaGQ5gv7MgE/hJBedSdkidBTfap4E8Gb25yfHKMnJsack5Wt84D/7W/rhQqYHZQSHqkSEepg51QF7yy88GtHpbjEexa3pKxc8SbkwNyq45aV/5M4Arf3G54yQHF1Npg6tTsRBOXduzfw57fQTB7AMDu/sxUdOwap807GxZ7oAdM9PBgvbTAvTP14aGj2qqfSAvPOaywkvWUk/Olk6QeqtZGccksb6IE1YVYkeJ4Ef99KA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=ZPAV0CWYuzoXHTrD+qnZJmCKU/kXf2hDOJOgpON1Odk1DJfW2//F5iVPavemMC3ViB7lzLfXRtxZ/8YRxsthnJt+0BuOE3mVunS4hPSQzAee08w2fuiDmtudU0AqS1vFsH+x4ixpu3WCBIKK2GLhGxwmKoI9T2dhSCkyFFI646kmdngnAcIgKW0Ttn7/yRAw/Ep54mJWGc95v8qnqWuU5+412Bci9NTTentBW8mjaJzrP5+XCAH18jonKWJwXr8B5gLAbeJJreioll6SQWI8mvx49SI8s3URK3yGOu2s/GAw70flXjtNH3Z/ULSr3e2AZIVVApcciUHEVDDa1ACvQQ==; Received: from [98.137.12.174] by nm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 20:34:11 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.65] by tm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 20:34:11 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp227.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Aug 2014 20:34:11 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408048451; bh=fK/ZpU5ecGAw9pNH1Tz6xHQMfuL9hBTw9+E6Dvg73K8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=mRvAr8rj5SNyvVK6ZR55cFCPBRQ4hs0tJ8xNmE66DnCadHisNoMrwtKf/wXKmfF/uuI/xRdpqmxw4wM3tlGL2JIAyufcL/VkvFLG7/oyVq07QNnygv6hHZ4Q/khEfHsKgBQ0tkPmm5QlsarxNBSpJDThN/gtqM8umXCJtUlaHa4= 9M0Q2Kmg0JkhR.6wWMO3TYmi_IWpZTAF9RCslbQqcxextmHh1KtOuF6ETYdh xg_LacxB5Ok3Ru0uoTky8qb.P9uDqOBaIrnHjU15hq4kYCxfF3ibC2OpMX50 iarlZsqwuic1Y7akSQF_JrifVPdX3QrbSd3JZe_hMxptOf8Khf68z0jaKGqN yigiRnmslOT_JQqZeVVOd6FpPXQYm3KW7KuB3JNrRI8RF_JG_efqZaQ9Sn2e lBrmvOccSa0WA4orVO_MTN8Rff44.IPmYmow9ilFCbMMIssEQ_QUwijTcGwd zLnquPC4KmDkRxYaKPKq3X8sKjJhGvlwNc6dyzXOTNva7sJu9xogXm0bmh8h .vSH6XLPYRCx_7XDUAzfe__uqVuVlYon5OjFrZGmQY8GQtI2ws6RtzGCf4Qb kLDZVY9A4vYs8vizDwa_sn2rDDLiTuiUvOoCZN4NIytHh9Xmanhq9CrY3Gh9 mTDSpQkFNsQ8TI7RbkJQJk.3wwM9ZgD5Wc86iibMrDxH_OpUJHls9RS9sO8w L.iOm1HpHdkJLEVteQnmz3R0Lk6RgsnL3OzeeGdms44CQDaxLaw-- References: From: Wbeech Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:33:43 -0500 To: Brian Thomas Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, Take Irv's suggestion of a new rotor first, I had heard the same thing a few years back. if the problem persists I would check the float level settings and that new fuel pump. I had a weak new fuel pump that showed up between 50 & 60 MPH. Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: Hi, I've been fighting a problem with our TR4A for a couple of years and it just won't go away. Symptom is a "sputtering" at high-way speeds. Performance seems fine - it just becomes no fun on longer trips. Our annual fall sojourn to Stowe is coming up and I'm looking for ideas. So far: * replaced defective stainless steel muffler that had incomplete welds on the intake - lifetime warranty honoured by TRF - thanks guys! * fixed problem with coil to distributor wire which was not fully "home" in distributor resulting in pin making poor contact - checked all other plug wires at pins - ok * installed NEW plug wires (yellow/black) and distributor cap * perhaps unrelated, but replaced fuel pump that went bad 2 years ago in Stowe - replacement was Moss reproduction Any thoughts? Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 14:55:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640B72584EBE for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:55:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com (mail-pd0-f170.google.com [209.85.192.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB202580762 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:54:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id g10so2206300pdj.15 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=BUSeUxdgpHwUdrO3IKAMjfjZd7RudCX2SXuT8tTef9s=; b=1DfcLGGP7LaMEt04G90Vc7yfxEz9QIWGrD9sazNYfESFbol5rUVH9x9DtxoyX/Oibg c4oo+xumqG3whSTwpOyogrQkQrCgb2wvISO/bflA2UI5e6skZ06O7KvhwgiiHqMnzEaQ tZmRz8JRtt2bVpfr7347O5m2f4MO4Sm2XZ3v/3VRURtOOcwGebW2I8NrkA2qyNKoxKbR wyo5jC6WexbqjAcq0AwZQgqVlLfnacBNcvD7yVC485cIBtfNrI3yiYJ/9djVMdPrdouJ ZaAxd6hRcr2iB2DTccU2G37GgVucdCzMmRud4kAxtW0WmuwX2S4iH5g8bAqKI22uyWw9 YACg== lm5mr672259pab.118.1408049728882; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dave3fac297f99 (outreach-01-gw.cust.visp.net. 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Do I use the rear most? David 66TR4A ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 16:00:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EDC2580BDC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:00:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.enterhost.com (smtp01.enterhost.com [208.65.128.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676BC258073E for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:00:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198] by smtp01.enterhost.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1B52EB00C6; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:01:25 -0500 Received: from 99-187-240-202.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.240.202] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:01:23 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 17:01:18 -0500 References: To: Brian Thomas Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, Had the same issue with my TR4A a while back. For reasons that will be apparent later, I need to state that I have an electric cooling fan which I rarely turn on. I use it only at stops, or slow driving. After close to an hour of highway driving, the car would act like it was being starved of fuel. I checked everything out (carbs, floats, spark, etc.) and everything looked OK. Plus, the problem would go away after I stopped for a little while. One day, for an unrelated issue, I installed one of those shiny heat shields for the carbs, and the problem went away! My theory is that running for long periods without the cooling fan on was causing enough trapped heat around the carbs to create a running condition akin to vapor lock. On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > I've been fighting a problem with our TR4A for a couple of years and it just > won't go away. Symptom is a "sputtering" at high-way speeds. Performance > seems fine - it just becomes no fun on longer trips. Our annual fall sojourn > to Stowe is coming up and I'm looking for ideas. So far: > * replaced defective stainless steel muffler that had incomplete welds > on the intake - lifetime warranty honoured by TRF - thanks guys! > * fixed problem with coil to distributor wire which was not fully "home" > in distributor resulting in pin making poor contact - checked all other plug > wires at pins - ok > * installed NEW plug wires (yellow/black) and distributor cap > * perhaps unrelated, but replaced fuel pump that went bad 2 years ago in > Stowe - replacement was Moss reproduction > Any thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Brian > _______________________________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-mail: > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, > 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 14 20:31:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75022584FEC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from sysfx.com (sysfx.com [204.107.12.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF51925845B8 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:30:22 -0600 (MDT) s=MDaemon; t=1408069854; x=1408674654; q=dns/txt; h=DomainKey-Signature: Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Reply-To; bh=eDqwJJ7bEp22+exdg XSoLZrsbazxToiIWV+vsck0GH8=; b=vDrp6zydHQravh/rzSbtRcVzBkva4unRY 2ioFwjK+lCf7Uj7eS77T1eT8/It4oeWMcYwFxRerOZ0b0WpHiMXGRe7juyVOrYQP R3SyY3Mvsvs5F6SH1kSMG412/TgrfSxCgcU44yMVyg7d+OKoGr9YYu8aeYqewOdi Qa6QnUkOZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=MDaemon; d=indiefilmnet.com; c=simple; q=dns; h=from:message-id; b=ffbWT6X0XJAqFZFtg+KOf9ls7jN+ldPYpOvvaD3jX/xu55m/kBITAHdZ3jmy nCgEW8k+VMycqWXb8H8xeYMVhjuqu/Ph0vgMsPmLxgNDwLLOmQgt6OWn7 Ury8ml2EemqAhDfQmu5y4dTupu5F+sW7SycUvMOB7ToEb2ZwlELIe8=; Received: from WorldClient by sysfx.com (MDaemon PRO v13.0.5) with ESMTP id 02-md50000159729.msg for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:30:53 -0400 processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) Received: from [216.254.165.5] by indiefilmnet.com via WorldClient with HTTP; Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:30:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:30:50 -0400 From: "Mark Hooper" To: "Triumph List" References: <14d5e0bf.1cfb803.64c559f.651b@gmail.com> Subject: [TR] Mach3 - off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I apologise for the off-topic question, but I know there are a few CNC experts on the list. Does anybody have some experience with Mach3 software? I am building a 3D camera control system and setting up to use Mach3 for 3-axis controls. If there is a list member with a bit of knowledge, I would appreciate some insight on configuration and motor testing. Please contact me off-list. Mark Hooper 1972 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 04:18:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38802584657 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:18:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B125844A6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:17:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NAC0041ZF9Y8D20@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 05:17:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 06:17:54 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: mhooper@indiefilmnet.com, Triumph List References: <14d5e0bf.1cfb803.64c559f.651b@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Mach3 - off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net .... seems like a complicated way to just control a 3D camera motion setup. Q me off list.... ...have converted a full mill, lathe and now s 3D router table all running M3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KklafqyZpSY ptegler@verizon.net On 8/14/2014 10:30 PM, Mark Hooper wrote: > I apologise for the off-topic question, but I know there are a few CNC > experts on the list. > > Does anybody have some experience with Mach3 software? > > I am building a 3D camera control system and setting up to use Mach3 for > 3-axis controls. > > If there is a list member with a bit of knowledge, I would appreciate some > insight on configuration and motor testing. Please contact me off-list. > > Mark Hooper > 1972 TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 12:20:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1CF258466A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9821E258051C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:19:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l4so2240733lbv.30 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fXoO1Y5OTR2DjWrIJi+2afeR2RBmsWgK6SgQKGWfrSg=; b=N0gvMEc7MEo3zKxIX77XO15rGJG1Dpuw17rMzwndCU47sbM37vbcVbeHxyhy1cPWQY bYTHaYMtF9/GoHE2Wcfn2WO8ZO1tPLEkK+mqEjUuBQoR188qTFJdOJ4QocPFBOVBTL+E V2lrAuqWwHXfS5m7QmgHthqFQJWlnt9Sy8EtB2hCQKrD/fItC2+Id+l99F3DTjUQZY9y 5aRfqmpIIg02rhLgJH1JJsu49j7S4Hk/OIE08o/ItTQuB6xeHWrFLtw/192pkJqZ4H95 cYhhL7Rkld7QwCO7GDW59+y2C7SM6iJtJKPm0vJYMGU8i4oBVixmZXAhHTq+e26H119o 8XTg== uc7mr13452832lac.22.1408126829071; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.111.74 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 11:20:29 -0700 From: Brian Induni To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering (Brian Thomas) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, I've had the issue MANY times on many different cars, and I would suggest the follow as a course of action, based on my 40 years restoring British classics: 1. Replace the points with a Pertronix unit 2. Replace the coil with the correct one for the above 3. Get the best cap and rotor you can, and not the generic kind 4. Adjust the valves to correct specs at the correct temp 5. Check and adjust if necessary the float bowl levels, and consider changing the float valves. Also adjust the F/A mixture. Use a ColorTune if you can. 6. Make sure you have a good heat shield in place and the fuel line is routed to mitigate the possibility of vapor lock 7. Check the timing and set as per the specs. Also make sure the vacuum advance (or retard if you have that setup as I do in my Stag) is working properly 8. Make certain the fuel is fresh and not contaminated. If any doubt, drain and refill the tank 9. Check for obstructions in the fuel line all the way to the carbs. I disconnect the lines and use compressed air to blow out (no need to 100psi) and catch whatever comes out. This will give some indication as to what might be lurking in the system. 10. Take it out right away and test! I've had this issue caused by one thing one time, and another thing the next, or a combination of things. It's always best to start off by setting and adjusting everything as it should be before you set out to correct an issue. Remember, there are ONLY 3 things needed: Fuel, air, and ignition! The trick is getting all 3 to be in the correct proportion and happen at the correct time! Sorry for the long winded answer, but I like to be as thorough as possible to alleviate headaches later. Brian I > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:07:36 +0000 > From: Brian Thomas > To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" > Subject: [TR] TR4A Sputtering > Message-ID: > < > C11A4D073AAF8042BECE2B3D862F4EF820A95A9E@MP-DUP-MBX-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > I've been fighting a problem with our TR4A for a couple of years and it > just > won't go away. Symptom is a "sputtering" at high-way speeds. Performance > seems fine - it just becomes no fun on longer trips. Our annual fall > sojourn > to Stowe is coming up and I'm looking for ideas. So far: > * replaced defective stainless steel muffler that had incomplete > welds > on the intake - lifetime warranty honoured by TRF - thanks guys! > * fixed problem with coil to distributor wire which was not fully > "home" > in distributor resulting in pin making poor contact - checked all other > plug > wires at pins - ok > * installed NEW plug wires (yellow/black) and distributor cap > * perhaps unrelated, but replaced fuel pump that went bad 2 years > ago in > Stowe - replacement was Moss reproduction > Any thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Brian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 13:22:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFF025807EA for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm20-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm20-vm4.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7662580733 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:22:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2014 19:22:52 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.251] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2014 19:22:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Aug 2014 19:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 63743 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Aug 2014 19:22:52 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408130572; bh=Au8tm4A5OHInV4gwBIgkhgqi+LA4xU9oToMD7rlOjHo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DrdxbUFtfAEh1wpd4Cq1kI2bd0kfP0uMX6Zbds3crsNe1cKve9tYZnuhIhhLQaeJUi3pH0NJxpMPSsahDkfNCTDbD/8IINMOoI2089+qsilUTYBd95RCLZw4UcxQb3D8LknVqRY4QuIudRuyO1+R6KVhdnTvVpd8qX2vwUL+Ys8= IgScfsnlOpiJCocNuj62BOR.37JBzq5M7PZMc4_rhzeWP5Pfw0Oo1cfumH3Z J2pAOU9ML8dV46wjPv87NX_FRBAncrc2sFvtPQeT2sJsskATn0aXmpOcUjNL v33Z3XwR5shSuKSX4ONq0QSmhfw_VGrPGRQvz3c_140PkbGhMMtVLC4xWttp PJBs2xfj_QeDPJwu9AflJIPS.jZSoQLzzmUeY85VKDBx8.SkyaQ1hVTstqLo CTpYmOxErThLWbZJTnSY7_IhHpXjKFpg468.QOcyZvKmfn2ePtHSwxbKFd4S pyPK.mpzjtdMlFlxG.M4eWhA2MxJO1vjbpsTM.P8L8WmesHmgeIk9wK6JwKY 5U.6zdy7gDSPKyWX._BcOlI1qKqXTq6Ok_MmuTUFiBpiNG2LDp_CMiVgahbl XvhJ0x7gAFRCUFZGWlaNELsF2tsef03n0K.qLQhKhyLMT9yFEqmrgT8gCnPQ MvNxZavKrJ5YXTDVnm8teS2jc8Fu9aDi19FH5sRrdYw4wP_wjRHuk_4zb_xM D2Z.f Received: from [69.110.214.24] by web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:22:51 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIHJlYnVpbHQgbXkgVFIzIGVuZ2luZSB3aXRoIGEgbmV3IHVzZWQgY3JhbmsuIEkgcG9saXNoZWQgdXAgdGhlIGFyZWEgb2YgdGhlIGNyYW5rIHdoZXJlIHRoZSBmcm9udCBzZWFsIGdvZXMgdXNpbmcgYSB2ZXJ5IGZpbmUgc2FuZHBhcGVyIGFuZCB3ZXQtc2FuZGluZyBpdCB3aXRoIG9pbCBsdWJyaWNhbnQuIFByb2JhYmx5IGEgbWlzdGFrZSBiZWNhdXNlIDEwMDAgbWlsZXMgbGF0ZXIgaXQgaXMgcHVraW5nIG9pbCBvdXQgdGhlIGZyb250IHNlYWwuIEkgYW0gdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJvdXQgdHJ5aW4BMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:22:51 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I rebuilt my TR3 engine with a new used crank. I polished up the area of the crank where the front seal goes using a very fine sandpaper and wet-sanding it with oil lubricant. Probably a mistake because 1000 miles later it is puking oil out the front seal. I am thinking about trying a Speedi-Sleeve as sold by Moss and TRF. I also installed a crankcase evacuation system. I got the idea from Kas Kastner's book. I have only driven it once since installing the system. It appears to be working, just not at the front seal... I have a few questions: 1. Can it be installed with the crank still in the engine but the timing cover off? Or do you have to pull the crank? 2. Would it be possible to install without pulling the bumpers, grill, front panel, radiator, cross member and everything else that we have to do to get at the front of the engine? Probably just a pipedream, but one never knows. Maybe it is possible. 3. Do they work well and are they worth the trouble? 4. Has anyone else used one of these recently? TIA, Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 13:52:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C725325807F7 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65A82580733 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:52:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [98.117.90.163]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NAD00C2E5VSHK80@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:52:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:52:40 -0400 References: <1408130571.57399.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a thought, but did you install the oil deflector between the gear and oil seal. Part #57196. Helps prevent the oil from throwing off the gear under speed and right on to the oil seal. Dean T. On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:22 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I rebuilt my TR3 engine with a new used crank. I polished up the area of > the crank where the front seal goes using a very fine sandpaper and > wet-sanding it with oil lubricant. Probably a mistake because 1000 miles later > it is puking oil out the front seal. I am thinking about trying a > Speedi-Sleeve as sold by Moss and TRF. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 14:01:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844A925807E9 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:01:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S9.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s9.hotmail.com [65.54.190.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4C42580733 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W36 ([65.54.190.125]) by BAY004-OMC2S9.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Fri, 15 Aug 2014 13:01:42 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: William Brewer , Triumph List Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:01:42 -0500 References: <1408130571.57399.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FILETIME=[BC08A390:01CFB8C3] Subject: Re: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill- I've done this a few times, it will solve your problem. > 1. Can it be installed with the > crank still in the engine but the timing cover off? Or do you have to pull the > crank? > No need to pull the crank. For that matter, you wouldn't need to pull the timing cover either for just the sleeve, but in your case it sounds like the seal is damaged so its cover off time. > 2. Would it be possible to install without pulling the bumpers, grill, > front panel, radiator, cross member and everything else that we have to do to > get at the front of the engine? Probably just a pipedream, but one never > knows. Maybe it is possible. > I've never tried it, but I think the front bits have to come off - you have to get that fan extension off and it takes some room to do so - the radiator is the biggest problem. I have pulled a fan extension off without pulling the cross member - but as I recall that was a tight fit as well. > 3. Do they work well and are they worth the > trouble? > Absolutely. You need to change the seal anyway which is the same work - the speedi-sleeve will give you a smooth sealing surface. > 4. Has anyone else used one of these recently? > Yes, and if you hunt you can find better prices than from the main Triumph suppliers. Part numbers which can work are 99175 or 99174 - 99174 being narrower but useable. A check on Rockauto shows a National sleeve for $22.79 + shipping for example. RegardsRandy ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 14:27:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9AF2580801 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:27:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078525807C4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id KkaAU2eKaaZkLAij for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.1.51]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:28:12 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Thread-Index: Ac+3+WHRuIuZSDniSEqbCjWeXHvivgAykgNg Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:28:11 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who have replied in regards to my "sputtering" problem. Lots of good ideas and I'll be working through the list. This afternoon, I pulled the plugs and the front two were a nice grey/tan colour while the back two were quite black. Suspect the rear carb (SU) needs to be leaned out a little. Another problem I'm having is that once the car gets up to operating temperature, the idle will not return to 800 rpm unless the gas pedal is goosed. I've been told my throttle shafts are worn and the carbs are likely sucking air around them. Is this the likely cause? The linkage is in good shape and moves freely. ... and while I've got your ears, a couple of parts I've replaced on the 4 have not lasted well - I wonder if others have experienced the same and how they've solved? 1. Radiator air deflector - this fibreboard product does not like to get wet (as it does when driving in the rain). The lip on the radiator side does not appear to be rigid enough to keep the top surface in shape and it sags down 3 or 4 inches. I'm on my second one at present. I've tried spray painting both sides with enamel (to waterproof it) but this has not been overly successful. 2. Turn Signal Switch - I'm on the 3rd one of these. Problem is the return stops working (and of course I drive on and on with the signal flashing) - I can just hear the comments - silly old fart ... Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 15:16:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19479258081D for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC7325800B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f9CJ1o0021GXsucA59GVqQ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:16:29 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f9GU1o00E0dYjAz8U9GUnV; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:16:29 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'Brian Thomas'" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:16:30 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+3+WHRuIuZSDniSEqbCjWeXHvivgAykgNgAAI9bzA= Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1408137389; bh=J5Snrth1XmSXXazV2lDNUznMe7rJ/2HCgI5saNfcspM=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ABSE35QOr7fGzraRP6P3a2e1OzVWe+fi/xP3k9c3rho8MJSdu5oqNhjeHqrNralAH 44LJ8wYZp+4KZ4xxFvDhGhvR3C8k3J3YwMdpI+luy27Xv2JA6Vp4VmsJ2N5TEf5LAE EYMpwjwwHo1afaQWRdzVLegzHTRaqgB41oUTPREm4VJJACpo1ytRq5Mu1CVaoKwlpS iklqgsWPOYSngd6JxMVrOmlTipRLInxRjlJZrRCyoVsPHqnGKi5/EaXVmojkuchenQ nnl8abLRvh0h43pkuAV9cuh1pEhpGY+O7QI7n+Cd45m0E1N+XGZDNRsdovMlA+Rp9P Zlal4QG2b1nLw== Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds familiar. I had the same plug fouling issue - I checked the floats, cleaned the float valves, reset the timing, checked the mixture, full tune up (points, condenser - don't forget that - cap, rotor, wires, plugs, coil), added a heat shield, replaced the fuel filter, put an electric fuel pump in-line. Finally pulled the carbs and sent them off to be rebuilt. I tried the normal test of spraying starter fluid around the carburetor shafts, but got no increase in rpms. However there was some wiggle in the shaft so I figured it had to be done anyway. Butterflys were replaced in the rebuild, so that could have been an issue also. The carbs are on their way back to me so I don't know for sure that will cure the problem, but I am hopeful. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian Thomas Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 1:28 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Thanks to all who have replied in regards to my "sputtering" problem. Lots of good ideas and I'll be working through the list. This afternoon, I pulled the plugs and the front two were a nice grey/tan colour while the back two were quite black. Suspect the rear carb (SU) needs to be leaned out a little. Another problem I'm having is that once the car gets up to operating temperature, the idle will not return to 800 rpm unless the gas pedal is goosed. I've been told my throttle shafts are worn and the carbs are likely sucking air around them. Is this the likely cause? The linkage is in good shape and moves freely. ... and while I've got your ears, a couple of parts I've replaced on the 4 have not lasted well - I wonder if others have experienced the same and how they've solved? 1. Radiator air deflector - this fibreboard product does not like to get wet (as it does when driving in the rain). The lip on the radiator side does not appear to be rigid enough to keep the top surface in shape and it sags down 3 or 4 inches. I'm on my second one at present. I've tried spray painting both sides with enamel (to waterproof it) but this has not been overly successful. 2. Turn Signal Switch - I'm on the 3rd one of these. Problem is the return stops working (and of course I drive on and on with the signal flashing) - I can just hear the comments - silly old fart ... Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 15:55:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332312580806 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:55:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31CB25800B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 15:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:24192] helo=cdptpa-web03) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 84/90-19179-8C18EE35; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:55:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:55:20 +0000 From: Randall To: William Brewer , Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal 2014 21:55:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- William Brewer wrote: > I rebuilt my TR3 engine with a new used crank. I polished up the area of > the crank where the front seal goes I'm confused, Bill. The front seal doesn't ride on the crank at all; instead it rides on the hub for the pulley. I've put a Speedi-sleeve on the hub, no problem. First one I picked out of the catalog by size; but later I noticed that they actually have the TR3 (or maybe it was TR4, same part) listed by application. The application listing was for a shorter sleeve, but the longer one worked fine for me. All done with the crank still in the engine and engine still in the car. It shouldn't be possible to leak oil through the center of the hub, since the whole stack of extension, hub, gear and shims should be clamped firmly against the cheek of the front crank throw by the dog bolt. But it wouldn't hurt to put a thin smear of Hylomar on the back surface of the hub when you install it. I wouldn't use RTV though, as it will get squeezed out of the joint and I don't like strings of RTV running around loose inside the engine. Hylomar will stay put. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 16:03:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C212580833 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:03:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72AC25800B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 16:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:27013] helo=cdptpa-web03) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id ED/9F-19062-AA38EE35; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:03:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:03:22 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , Brian Thomas Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:03:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Brian Thomas wrote: > Another problem I'm having is that once the car gets up to operating > temperature, the idle will not return to 800 rpm unless the gas pedal is > goosed. I've been told my throttle shafts are worn and the carbs are likely > sucking air around them. Is this the likely cause? Seems unlikely to me. IMO it's more likely that the worn shafts (and bushings/housings) are letting the throttle plates drag on the bottom of the bore, blocking the throttle from closing fully when it returns slowly. "Goosing" the pedal is like slamming a door that sticks. Sorry, not much help with the other problems. I saturated the fiberboard air deflector (on my former TR3A) with rattle-can paint (which took a lot more coats than I thought it would, 6 or 7 as I recall) and it seemed to hold up well. But I don't drive in the rain much, so doesn't prove anything. I've seen several people fashion replacements from thin aluminum, but of course that doesn't look original (though it does look nice). Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 18:07:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5612580802 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC53225800B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:07:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hq11so3685888vcb.2 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=47PNpP0fMZePdwxaNzJGi9Zh8JUs5D/1NZ4SDRtQOks=; b=KPm7NaJ8Os4lZg7ARCS4LpHGvHx/X/6omonKBddKrCLaaA4l8185OklgdX5NgKqmAH ahRf2tY5mQi8j+Hxf4H0eyS6rE/VKgPq7k4NiHHWX3wIGlGaCZwOSETIGzCacFs+MqGV IHe0Hc2omDds92EDvWqtA38I5FJW2+usZ5Nc31XkkpZK5q/BghQ3Ap641wJUMncIYbdN nbu9kqgnEyDvB0TJ/V3s7o/Ti9Z2vCfoLgFyGmi2m8xc5SCUiMPfy5lrft2AsZrwhAbS 3ybitbCzJbonI4VHWU7+WgOVtxssAYVA5IdVhxMcytU90khIvOGxjgryD3Q+c2Z/afKi +Cng== m13mr12872527vcp.35.1408147665419; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:07:45 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brian Thomas Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > > 1. Radiator air deflector - this fibreboard product does not like to get > wet > (as it does when driving in the rain). The lip on the radiator side does > not > appear to be rigid enough to keep the top surface in shape and it sags > down 3 > or 4 inches. I'm on my second one at present. I've tried spray painting > both > sides with enamel (to waterproof it) but this has not been overly > successful... > I used Thompson's Water Seal on mine and it still looks like new and has kept its shape 13 years later (more than I can say about the driver). Disclaimer - I live in a mostly dry climate though I have driven in the rain many times. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 18:31:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B7425807CE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42C025805D1 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:31:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140816003218.NTLO28712.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id fCYF1o00F0jfpza01CYFpg; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:32:15 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=PX3IIe3GDPrMQXLwj1MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:32:15 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+46Fo60Ek+YOlbRZyXIG+/UAL1KA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 1980 MGB in the shop with the original OPUS electronic ignition. When the car is warm and it gets on an incline, it suddenly quits - no coughing, sputtering, anything. It then fires up after a couple minutes and goes along fine. I'm convinced it is an ignition problem, but clearly not the coil, wires or plugs. Car is in very good shape with no obvious loose wires, grounds, etc. The dist. is effectively 2 black boxes, so I'm at a loss as to how to diagnose it. I can put in a 45D dist, new points, condenser and coil for less than $150, and put it back to 1972 spec, which is probably less than the time it will take to try and diagnose the other unit and at least at that point, I have a system that somebody of reasonable intelligence can sort out. If anybody has any experience with these things, your comments would be greatly appreciated. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 18:47:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF842580815 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:47:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF07325805D1 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 18:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140816004731.DPCH29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:47:31 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id fCnW1o00M0jfpza01CnXNe; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:47:31 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=H3qKVBfQ4dMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=CWJepgBVL7NDwuH9P9YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Don Hiscock'" , References: <010801cfb8e9$878a1ce0$969e56a0$@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 17:47:30 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHpWPjKeEENEt7rZfZAZI45jaiS0QGmv/PPm5HuEGA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Don, Good point, but the fact that it cuts out instantly and the fact that if it's jacked up at the front, the fuel pump is still pumping just fine. Loose wires are "plumb bobs" they very much care about inclination if they are shorting against something. I have no idea what is happening inside the black boxes - are they sensitive to gravity when they are failing? Fuel starvation is generally accompanied by some sort of coughing or sputtering or lack of power, not instantaneous death. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 5:39 PM To: Jonas Payne Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Boy, gravity normally points to fuel flow -- electrons don't care about up and down that much. What makes you sure it's ignition? I'd have guessed fuel delivery. Rgds, Don On 8/15/14, Jonas Payne wrote: > I have a 1980 MGB in the shop with the original OPUS electronic ignition. > > When the car is warm and it gets on an incline, it suddenly quits - no > coughing, sputtering, anything. It then fires up after a couple > minutes and goes along fine. > > I'm convinced it is an ignition problem, but clearly not the coil, > wires or plugs. > > Car is in very good shape with no obvious loose wires, grounds, etc. > > The dist. is effectively 2 black boxes, so I'm at a loss as to how to > diagnose it. > > I can put in a 45D dist, new points, condenser and coil for less than > $150, and put it back to 1972 spec, which is probably less than the > time it will take to try and diagnose the other unit and at least at > that point, I have a system that somebody of reasonable intelligence > can sort out. > > If anybody has any experience with these things, your comments would > be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 19:18:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F0B258080D for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C17A258068F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:18:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:60232] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DF/B6-05114-F91BEE35; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 01:19:27 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Jonas Payne" , References: <010801cfb8e9$878a1ce0$969e56a0$@cox.net> <011901cfb8eb$a931eb00$fb95c100$@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:19:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't think of the name, but the late cars have an "impact switch" that shuts the car off if it gets too big a jolt, I think it is supposed to stop the fuel pump in case of an accident, now I remember, inertia switch, if that was overly sensitive could cause similar symptoms, I believe it is on the left side driver's footwell, when I had an 80 MGB it slipped off the floor jack once and I thought I had killed it until I found the switch. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 20:29:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF59A2580831 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:29:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2617F258068F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fEVQ1o00B4oFfFQ01EVRhN; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 19:29:25 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <010801cfb8e9$878a1ce0$969e56a0$@cox.net> <011901cfb8eb$a931eb00$fb95c100$@cox.net> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:29:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net there is also an mg list; you might try there ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 21:08:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22302580821 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:08:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554602580802 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm6.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.130] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 03:08:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2014 03:08:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 22457 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2014 03:08:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408158520; bh=ZUA6a/VV/SM+YxmBpg9dNf1nih4ZPXtn3aCs8efJGZY=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lGo4rbx2McEsv+mZrVSmEXx09P/uMEC/Z8kaZjKmTOkqDghQqGvvtsIZygaGPgsq6XgnsOXxf8L8LQJuNcB+98msBYEpf4J+4vibzFFuHQWJIA7daYN6x+n/HC3KmMrCrUt10mHm4XaqmPv9FioZQ3RMQemV2MTXbLyqPAC1tDc= v21ryFsfsqJHLnjt6vzRvBtFx_wpOJGnMu0I06HxqtshpGet7xPs.Blxn6EK QfZLqAWKnDds6gr1oFvrl4kQiShO4H2gG7fRyxk_RFm7.0F8203DxK5GIno8 noGYkELR7tBHgZJ8ef4HANu3AeDLtY4cMFT4HCkdpWb9htpebLJrSpKRFXID AVWMJd8peOkZF5sNLH7ydEWl_Q_vLemTKyFuq8f3kJroIKMMnW.qkBP_WgjV PzC6Vd9WPS9lxQ9bXVngKd94NmK1pM3VnSQulF8Yf7M4phv_4Z26yHn0ivxV 176SkxcYhzluR6AxhbBKFcAS0bFsAXliHGllqFUJ9hgeSdQ5qDa00vVWyF0e uYhAgUC4qXbnmrPPBX3cCa3VqjtBngp8HLCVnlOff0zlAY97fXDBfwqyGmsN fg40j30_xle4Nym7W5xIuGFJlpy2TTprHuQupR0_sPV5g16ASRhxhRkV.uST nqUTeXsTUSGZutRGWDis54IJVPXHlXKYNjf3GwsUAcD_g.9axYF4fvmJFBKo p52Qp Received: from [69.110.214.24] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:08:40 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBZb3Uga25vdywgbXkgbGlmZSBpcyBraW5kIG9mIGEgYmx1ciByaWdodCBub3cgYW5kIEkgbWlnaHQgbm90IGJlIHRoaW5raW5nIHN0cmFpZ2h0LiBJIHB1dCBpbiBhIGhhcm1vbmljIGJhbGFuY2VyIHdoZW4gSSByZWJ1aWx0IHRoZSBlbmdpbmUuIFNvIHRoZSBzZWFsIHNob3VsZCBiZSByaWRpbmcgb24gdGhlIHB1bGxleSBodWIgYW5kIG5vdCB0aGUgY3Jhbms_IFRoYXQncyBwcm9iYWJseSB0aGUgaXNzdWUuIElmIHNvLCBJIG1pZ2h0IGdvIGJhY2sgaW4gYW5kIHB1bGwgdGhlIHB1bGxleSBvZmYBMAEBAQE- References: <1408130571.57399.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20140815215520.S5MGM.281694.root@cdptpa-web03> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:08:40 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Randall , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You know, my life is kind of a blur right now and I might not be thinking straight. I put in a harmonic balancer when I rebuilt the engine. So the seal should be riding on the pulley hub and not the crank? That's probably the issue. If so, I might go back in and pull the pulley off and install the original crank pulley that I was using before. Maybe I knocked the seal loose installing the harmonic dampener. I doubt it though. Thanks for your help. -Bill On Friday, August 15, 2014 2:55 PM, Randall wrote: ---- William Brewer wrote: > I rebuilt my TR3 engine with a new used crank. I polished up the area of > the crank where the front seal goes I'm confused, Bill. The front seal doesn't ride on the crank at all; instead it rides on the hub for the pulley. I've put a Speedi-sleeve on the hub, no problem. First one I picked out of the catalog by size; but later I noticed that they actually have the TR3 (or maybe it was TR4, same part) listed by application. The application listing was for a shorter sleeve, but the longer one worked fine for me. All done with the crank still in the engine and engine still in the car. It shouldn't be possible to leak oil through the center of the hub, since the whole stack of extension, hub, gear and shims should be clamped firmly against the cheek of the front crank throw by the dog bolt. But it wouldn't hurt to put a thin smear of Hylomar on the back surface of the hub when you install it. I wouldn't use RTV though, as it will get squeezed out of the joint and I don't like strings of RTV running around loose inside the engine. Hylomar will stay put. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 15 21:39:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A680B25807EF for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55117258068F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:39:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:64002] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id BF/2D-10995-B72DEE35; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 03:39:40 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Brian Thomas'" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 20:39:32 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+3+WHRuIuZSDniSEqbCjWeXHvivgAykgNgAA/v7FA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I highly recommend: http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?productID=476 Mine fits great and looks great Johnnie '67tr4a > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian > Thomas > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 1:28 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Sputtering > > Thanks to all who have replied in regards to my "sputtering" problem. Lots of good > ideas and I'll be working through the list. > > This afternoon, I pulled the plugs and the front two were a nice grey/tan colour > while the back two were quite black. Suspect the rear carb (SU) needs to be > leaned out a little. > > Another problem I'm having is that once the car gets up to operating temperature, > the idle will not return to 800 rpm unless the gas pedal is goosed. I've been told my > throttle shafts are worn and the carbs are likely sucking air around them. Is this the > likely cause? The linkage is in good shape and moves freely. > > ... and while I've got your ears, a couple of parts I've replaced on the 4 have not > lasted well - I wonder if others have experienced the same and how they've solved? > > 1. Radiator air deflector - this fibreboard product does not like to get wet (as it does > when driving in the rain). The lip on the radiator side does not appear to be rigid > enough to keep the top surface in shape and it sags down 3 or 4 inches. I'm on my > second one at present. I've tried spray painting both sides with enamel (to > waterproof it) but this has not been overly successful. > > 2. Turn Signal Switch - I'm on the 3rd one of these. Problem is the return stops > working (and of course I drive on and on with the signal flashing) - I can just hear > the comments - silly old fart ... > > Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Brian > __________________________________________________________________ > _____ > Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, > 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H 2Y0 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1@san.rr.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 05:22:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C682025807BA for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:22:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6436625803FC for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:22:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so2633951lbi.41 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 04:22:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3IvB2034pvWu+qOri5BunSeAbU+cAR4wpbtvrnaRFJg=; b=afdtbJ/bTopomLW9tNP4ZC0t1kEtedC7xShkqabgLfdO751tOwTe8zg3gCgWy2y+9w 1yp8iKhsgNWlwxJOSh6Om5Lu8ugVySP47fdmaoEtk9cgmBHzZYTKM8prq+C0YhpqJAY0 Qzl2scXlSqVnY8I8erHWqYeFpDskuu1mnLFM5i5YFQ4SG7WMxuBkWJmyr0BhLsLg8Umk cCQzUdoPoW8EWSNV1YTkr4dFOieQDrxLqtTaDCHCYVH2jSAUOoleq1q4Jyzt0elogx7S 5rGagJHZFpZdxS139Cfi+PDK/Y57dqOaLOp/jx899hPuAOC65EVHIc1ISw1R1j2P7hwX QWnA== ya11mr16393991lbc.28.1408188179472; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 04:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 04:22:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <010801cfb8e9$878a1ce0$969e56a0$@cox.net> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:22:59 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Jonas Payne Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My only experience is with Spitfires, but it's my understanding that the late OPUS ignition with the remote control box is nothing but GM ignition module in a black box with Lucas written on it. I think it's pretty simple to open the box and replace the module for about $40. Still, depending on the condition of the distributor (wobble, etc.), it might be best to replace it. You can then put in electronic ignition if desired. One thing to consider is the issue of vacuum advance/retard in your current vs. replacement distributor. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > I have a 1980 MGB in the shop with the original OPUS electronic ignition. > > When the car is warm and it gets on an incline, it suddenly quits - no > coughing, sputtering, anything. It then fires up after a couple minutes and > goes along fine. > > I'm convinced it is an ignition problem, but clearly not the coil, wires or > plugs. > > Car is in very good shape with no obvious loose wires, grounds, etc. > > The dist. is effectively 2 black boxes, so I'm at a loss as to how to > diagnose it. > > I can put in a 45D dist, new points, condenser and coil for less than $150, > and put it back to 1972 spec, which is probably less than the time it will > take to try and diagnose the other unit and at least at that point, I have a > system that somebody of reasonable intelligence can sort out. > > If anybody has any experience with these things, your comments would be > greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 07:07:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C0D258083C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F22258046C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:07:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com [172.27.3.207]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5487370004109 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.5]) by mtaomg-aaj01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1015F38000081 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:08:04 -0400 (EDT) References: <010801cfb8e9$878a1ce0$969e56a0$@cox.net> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d208.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.112) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:08:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:08:03 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408194484; bh=h/FPbU+l7Rr1Gkh1kkcukKft6KsODSpFG1sFkVSWmEY=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vh03OQkxstbp3SD/3HvKdgIs4stJHbkdyJhsSks3EOo35gP6ttGHw1iTsOaLZNURe qyJfb6mXZ5aRIcQPRxjtV2wH7agv8Q82k6QqdJY1dsoItMlzv1PxckIF5OHLQeqvQm fUB/KD1sMgP/C1Ki/UF5e/9PH3TYsbWr4z+plQOw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b03cf53ef57b40130 Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It might be something as simple as the ignition switch. What does the tach do at this time? (The MGB has an electronic tach and if the switch is cutting out it should drop to zero immediately even if the engine is still winding down.) Also, does the heater fan and/or wipers cut out at the same time? I had a dodgy switch on my MGB (back in the day) and on my TR6. And I hear GM has had some issues as well. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Payne To: triumphs Sent: Fri, Aug 15, 2014 7:32 pm Subject: [TR] Not TR - MGB I have a 1980 MGB in the shop with the original OPUS electronic ignition. When the car is warm and it gets on an incline, it suddenly quits - no coughing, sputtering, anything. It then fires up after a couple minutes and goes along fine. I'm convinced it is an ignition problem, but clearly not the coil, wires or plugs. Car is in very good shape with no obvious loose wires, grounds, etc. The dist. is effectively 2 black boxes, so I'm at a loss as to how to diagnose it. I can put in a 45D dist, new points, condenser and coil for less than $150, and put it back to 1972 spec, which is probably less than the time it will take to try and diagnose the other unit and at least at that point, I have a system that somebody of reasonable intelligence can sort out. If anybody has any experience with these things, your comments would be greatly appreciated. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 07:33:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076A12580871 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:33:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61EB2580833 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:32:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 15/31-06920-18D5FE35; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:32:50 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:32:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+4/2NZydnuMzRPTlmFQyZzHofScAAVdmMg Subject: Re: [TR] Speedi-Sleeve for TR3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > You know, my life is kind of a blur right now and I > might not be thinking > straight. I put in a harmonic balancer when I rebuilt the > engine. Could this be the kit that uses an MGB dampener? If so, there is a sleeve required for the seal to ride on. Perhaps the sleeve got left out? P/N TT11322 here http://www.mossmotors.com/graphics/products/PDF/837-508.pdf Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 07:56:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF4A258071F for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:56:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84372258069D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 07:56:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D0/CF-05114-7436FE35; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:57:28 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 06:57:27 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+5Ux+QUfO1k659Tt6MmI7wPZ2chAABQo4g Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I had a dodgy switch on my MGB (back in the day) and on my TR6. And > I > hear GM has had some issues as well. I find it amusing that the GM problem was actually a deliberate design change, to make the switch easier to turn. Marketing felt that the old switch was too "notchy" and felt cheap. The "issue" is that the weight of big wads of keys can actually turn the modified switch. So it was the marketing requirement that was defective, not the switch. But engineering will still get blamed, as usual. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 10:19:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18EC25846C3 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d10.mx.aol.com (omr-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE60A258069D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 10:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.79]) by omr-d10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1F80D70000083; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.5]) by mtaomg-mca01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D6E2E38000082; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:16:03 -0400 (EDT) References: To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 99.46.204.207 by webmail-d282.sysops.aol.com (205.188.93.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:16:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408205764; bh=B9FTLMIQ9fPQ3IG29RwD+cXzZtn2HWOMHWBBqNCRtOU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BvKHoYjlaXdCliU6LxS/YI/E4vyVuy0R6zKAVznHRUyF4s4KnSGj3l2QpQBlPYG6m Q757odQAG4kBa+GlHtRmymCawJElAAWMrvfqsBuY69FQC165op4ixrE6SPk6kbgLZE ZGKh1ual0JLp/Z0dgLHt2stQi1E/j5TwJ9oCwHgQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4f53ef83c30d10 Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my case (MGB) it was a burnt contact and a slight wiggle of the keys would move the contacts slightly enough move the contacts from a good place to a not so good place. When switches get old stuff happens. A better switch would help but Purchasing makes too many decisions. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 8:57 am Subject: Re: [TR] Not TR - MGB > I had a dodgy switch on my MGB (back in the day) and on my TR6. And > I > hear GM has had some issues as well. I find it amusing that the GM problem was actually a deliberate design change, to make the switch easier to turn. Marketing felt that the old switch was too "notchy" and felt cheap. The "issue" is that the weight of big wads of keys can actually turn the modified switch. So it was the marketing requirement that was defective, not the switch. But engineering will still get blamed, as usual. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 16 20:43:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B542580B03 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FE32580A14 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:39:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18232C0099 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:39:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 20:39:55 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Another fun night - 6pack list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Earlier today I received an email from a 6pack list subscriber wondering about that list. Well, turns out it is broken. Actually the first 7 of the alphabetically sorted 67 lists on Team.Net are broken in the same manner. I'm going to try and get it going, I know a number of you here are also on the 6pack list. But at the moment, Python pickles have me perplexed. And speaking of pickled and 6 pack, I may need to make a beer run before the night is through. Sigh. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 12:24:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651842584730 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FC925844F8 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (96-41-146-193.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [96.41.146.193]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NAG00JL4R4W5A30@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:24:33 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-17_02:2014-08-15,2014-08-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408170239 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:24:31 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Handbrake Grip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. Moss and others specify a screw-on grip for the TR2-3 handbrake and a slide-on for the 4. The thing is, on my 62 TR4, the brake lever has threads. Do I have an incorrect lever or did Triumph continue to use a TR3 lever on early TR4s? The illustration of the handbrake system in my workshop manual does not show threads, though Id feel more comfortable drawing conclusions if it were a photograph. Thanks. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 12:37:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F0C258485C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C392584873 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 38/1B-12133-676F0F35; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:37:42 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:37:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+6SIBNLk7E9XWdRG+AcParhVx77AAAWp9A Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Handbrake Grip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Greetings. Moss and others specify a screw-on grip for the > TR2-3 handbrake and > a slide-on for the 4. The thing is, on my 62 TR4, the brake lever has > threads. Do I have an incorrect lever or did Triumph continue > to use a TR3 > lever on early TR4s? My TR4 SPC shows both part numbers, so I'm pretty sure at least some TR4 had the earlier threaded lever. Since no change point is given (the comment is there but the space for the number is blank), I suspect that there was no single change point, both types of lever were fitted more or less at random for some number of cars. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 13:00:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914FA2584888 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:00:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E922584452 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:58:56 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1408301974; bh=xj+RAjUxCRmauiA5r51OFH5N2fwZ7t+DghAllmF5aN4=; b=pFYUQQl7lDmcXKDqJa95bZavIOsURHhLotxrwrignDMNTJ2aGX9sGE5NmMDovHyEnYOSGR8BQulAnSNtqkLjrYNuyZve4ciFLdbFTeuWfkeOlnBgSb9BQID9Ak7FD97gTz8rklD2Q+Ao32hy1ZK2vlChZNcw091Y31lN6JSVS/h6feBoipmBR0gnh0iOK7o2zjqP0zlLUE+dK5kmmh6bouqygsyffc2V0qA80PX8eroPuOHO9vAfzisyDUkSFTZeVygNWGffRGFOyU+Ggs+4O/wThk8gr8STPrmjiGo/q+bgrQ+lf+i0mCzX6drM3onHrIutZH9L1VhJIV/quQNJxw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=pxF3+REjs3bqAWWbhpwa7LmsbXRisVwH3PPEHEwgYtfks2Fw81p3jrjOQYLgdbPj1Cqwm1i7i7m3O16Aj4+3o88YlP2WK20uBX7U9kXtsWZD7qzHSO0reMJDXYNZSrqg8cXEgX+FdNz6uj2syvoFJjbJximXK2xkZGqvTFp4VjSH/LiGCbmjp535aMxcvMqoFQCorexPqxHDcRMrB+z7wL6U3YkTQMDJVUNeKo7hJQ/nMLVXJwb/w+f0aa+VC8eBlV62Oee+vQqfATCa4cp0i7mv+4mgfN70+AVbbV2qv6h/6whH041NUeKFzaaa9hasUUhGFW3V4iI3mWDsdnziWw==; Received: from [216.39.60.181] by nm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 18:59:34 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.203] by tm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 18:59:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 18:59:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408301974; bh=xj+RAjUxCRmauiA5r51OFH5N2fwZ7t+DghAllmF5aN4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=zRVBxbcey+0cByQWkvXfnWLTBkXhVycyKJnOt7X/yX42CwCpKpzbW8WMgk80XO8oxty18X5DN201dwVNBkor7pEFuwqyrIyN/yiTYG0d933lwq+TDcqKHE1CZo1JYopDJYLRO8qU5G6lAtBa6QdGwosBeNpc9nKyzYf3jR7dmQI= uu0Fdo_v4MUoo6zSafySBYowjB6ifOJRU07qpQBkJQNNKMS5VKKdf3C3t1fx cT0XA5eMNEaxsoEJWEvFGYrqdHqshPvd5nQH0gyqHex3Ph9VfC0eW3pz6opj DTBEX3LYhRNvQXkx0qnJXRQjoI.Zx576ylszJWux12nsE7U1.N8CSyPZC.HA ElqdNq6MvI8N9NVZmPMGsI8hQXyJ4tidDI6KLEtGrUf1Z6OPvkV5nrqvAbxF VYNWJz.15v5IB5MB_w2YwMgBNT1WBnVthJ23J3I0C3jAQLOzGmGGgPe70bJv Hs7AQyoMqWYwsXoXjcnFGsrB.RuuXPUwQP32qTXorGgR.r60LMeTIQLwGOc1 QJtBMtHK4EysadIE_S0u5LD3omR.b_oApclTCvYJ8oaspoSl_VkReMwp5Fs8 wMSfaB700YRq78jWN3F_Oqw8irAR_2vwKJj5ulHHUQHMbeSGrI5t6DWSmOSK 10SY7_llCDe841nVZpkgC3L4Y4xFzYfLPdYFvsUI6TbNHoc5u.ElE_pM1Q_U Z.2VVx..KtsVxE90l1bFN0J30e33ajXxJUilsB5rSxzEuUL6b References: <099C1083-2707-4E08-87A0-4A2F252EAD78@icloud.com> From: Wbeech Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:59:34 -0500 To: Jeffrey Gayton Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Handbrake Grip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My '58 3A and '62 3B both had a slide on grip. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: Greetings. Moss and others specify a screw-on grip for the TR2-3 handbrake and a slide-on for the 4. The thing is, on my 62 TR4, the brake lever has threads. Do I have an incorrect lever or did Triumph continue to use a TR3 lever on early TR4s? The illustration of the handbrake system in my workshop manual does not show threads, though Id feel more comfortable drawing conclusions if it were a photograph. Thanks. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 13:15:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3195258495C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:15:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E440A2584730 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:11:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.68.65]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fvCG1o0071QVaoe01vCQeT; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 12:12:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:12:15 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+6ToKv6BG/95PvTfehae7wDY+HtA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: In order to secure a Surrey top, I have ended up with a pile of TR4 parts that I didn't really want or need - some 4 and some 4A. I have a gas tank for which I have no use, but before I list it on eBay, I need to know if it is the one for an early 4 versus the one on the late 4s which (at least according to Moss part numbers) was used on the 4A and 250. What distinguishing marks should I be looking for? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 14:02:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A339C2584977 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:02:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0089C2584730 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 20:03:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 20:03:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2014 20:03:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 31186 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2014 20:03:03 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408305783; bh=yaSJuZf2FRxlOEWdBc6OzLLQkyiVa6PHCthRkmGGKoU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pMrU9uPWpEh73FEyYCfkxF24jhxq0GqR8r3rzy94KNWycRjBdd1rhBKEuZ/DTmwE5QgenM8wGX033/NsHS/Ti2FsHNTah0K5uN1qukxFwUUN776KqcAWBwK7A5xEsUG7uh3D6/PQvbPZH9ASDKVu6xRw2mF82/gTbRcQp3UUQGc= jlm4hIPFooXpDyO7btFxBeqV7Dj2CT_cS5SDhGkH7OTOu2nRcihvT8JxLpFY GgtvB.y2kaQRBP2T4786dy3I5gT2dBx1DrkOL5vdn5xvGEnlXhBHbS3_X4mo iVWSkQdCdAlAxj4littAUkdMlo42BXwXWKZyWqpZuvwR77_jQhVSD2QCmMbP wHLyWcTMMJ82Gq0LtnCSvbd2_wiDClkZ4YCI9d0TCA_La8co86pYoBJ6tH6v NwN1OJafSxV6CS.Uj3RWEACIyc2E4xoZoLxU.O2Vq_KJ.R0kHVjpV1v4rCpe d1HFM0K9AwfGRlVUPUfSF4pOW6wD0Sn1FzZ1RSTyfGjOPr3efPNKaw.pVy9V J8jhga7jtsmixQJF505m438VYmWkUKSqloke5p_sJzfPqMDtck7PDedKGsJ3 pfaMy2s_PNAE2aMGjZY.0SbH51Dn1jPCNSQxVEY5XgspfWDvnzyB0.1REQip 5LGtkuUxpdqoWN9oGEcQVAFpKoZtWHXYY8eZCtF9hEwAW79u7tychgvg- Received: from [100.32.9.232] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:03:03 PDT aSBoYXZlIGJ1ZGRpZXMgNzMgVFI2IGluIG1heSBnYXJhZ2UgdGhhdCBpbSBmcmVlIHRvIHBsYXkgd2l0aC4gbG9va3MgbmljZSBuZXh0IHRvIHRoZSBUUjMuCnNlZW1zIDE5NzMgd2FzIG5vdCB0aGUgeWVhciB0byBvd24uIHNvIG1hbnkgZGlmZmVyZW5jZXMgZnJvbSA3MiBhbmQgNzQuCnNvIDIgcHJvYmxlbXMuCgpib3VnaHQgYSBtb2Rlcm4gb2lsIGZpbHRlciBraXQgZnJvbSBtb3NzLiB0aGUgZXhpc3RpbmcgY2FuaXN0ZXIgaGFzIGEgaHlkcmF1bGljIGxpbmUgdGhhdCBjb21lcyBvdXQgb2YgdGhlIGNhbmkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:03:03 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: TR3/6 Subject: [TR] 73 TR6 oil filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i have buddies 73 TR6 in may garage that im free to play with. looks nice next to the TR3. seems 1973 was not the year to own. so many differences from 72 and 74. so 2 problems. bought a modern oil filter kit from moss. the existing canister has a hydraulic line that comes out of the canister and goes into the block just below the oil pressure gage sender. of course the moss unit is not set up for this. what is that hydraulic line doing? are all the TR6 like that? water pump. not available for 1973! may be able to use a later model. anyone tried? thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 14:30:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3347325849D6 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:30:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CDE258485C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id uz6so1427449obc.14 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=fbCKxoqIMAsPCUcrK60z2T09pgCuC9WaKWjdj/qh6Co=; b=WUjIdphPYkPYzKEx+zC87ctE7xx4iO9esHLxD4pxUk2ScW83KB8nCE3cCC/Xe4t8Wh 8UwEr92QJ9pDXURuzTPHmZnTpzxa300thwKHe1f1g72ogVt0jJPYhklI5ggIhREy450L 88k+D2IafYpLQhcFqS2AuXe8Hwk7aXzQk+OOSSvFUicLbpVVVHsOxXMjY1nh0vrezIqt lLjPQ6Dh7ibN2QQaZN+sfocYYKCWOsZY+kghKJGsdLGmBwC+Cn4OXw135yObrvspDDAq C2L4LAWyWqB76AZ2HUQ9EvBxnk6xhDfkS142fPXCnuFn2kNrE1dHYT3xOWz7Q1nwpQ7V bqVw== b8mr3641314oey.65.1408307364262; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oj7sm16013865obc.19.2014.08.17.13.29.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Aug 2014 13:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:29:21 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+6We2Pu8SQT7YnT3OMJkQYhFGtyA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR6 Starting Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I have my old motor reinstalled in my 75 TR6 and ready to rock and roll. All I am getting when turning it over is clicking at the starter relay near the fuse box. Battery registers 12.5 volts which I thought would be enough to turn it over. The starter relay has been working fine for years, so might just switch it out with another. I have both hot wires and ground attached to starter solenoid just as before. Original Lucas starter has worked great all 16 years I have owned the car. The motor turns over by hand with a socket on the front of the crank pulley. Any ideas on diagnosing the problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 75 TR6 62 TR4 x2 68 Land Rover Series II ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:16:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2430125849DB for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:16:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f51.google.com (mail-yh0-f51.google.com [209.85.213.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3F72584497 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f51.google.com with SMTP id f73so3895386yha.10 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=V9mHsFg67et4ubSaJcv1pK9IGLmiHKJ6iM9MTwftCn0=; b=Cb2LCvm29d3PBN6pXswNYS9OZI2a+w20fGEf/mOe+oT95FbGA3m3tim3MS8OIg3WSQ QzYBPEjXs7penHbr6grHQGl3ZWiJIjUmNWfiwmf18QWWWVqyxo2uSSNgkS2r28rXQ9+X w67tvQiTMCGv3hlRr/U+o8xRNWkyNvuFhgnXuA2yV/MH3dNCVWmScflLYshyWMzkuR0c iMVenUJrZuxOoeIZ2MBgxlXM4kfj48r03W2B9mE9TRqFF3rc30SiBBMDXxCcGTiglAYl 3iuIKnEy4q1K3Ik8YNQlkR8QcZAIaP2bvjonicb4ctzi2f/FEDIYUpj/Zs/t5X/jmvkB Pr4w== x7mr47572053yhk.6.1408310008707; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.148.214 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:13:28 -0400 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tires for TR8's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey List, I am about to buy some Japanese tires for the Eight only because the 185/70/13 size is pretty thin with current offerings. I would like to have made in USA or at least Euro brands on the Eight. I am willing to alter the size from stock. Any ideas? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:22:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C212584A66 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5AE2584876 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:21:56 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:17 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=xrUN8CeLzRi5_GyEzkUA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=4eC2QQ5lj1kA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.170.195 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.170.195] ([64.121.170.195:50321] helo=[192.168.1.113]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTPS (cipher=AES128-SHA) id 53/E6-32522-91D11F35; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:22:34 -0400 From: Allen Hess Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:22:32 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The following is from the friend of a friend. I dont know anything else about it. Contact info at the end. Allen 1959 TR3A s/n TS5882L , built Aug 10 1959. Body shell # 1060761. Great driver owned by rabid enthusiast. $20,000 Powder Blue, Black leather interior (like new), white top, tonneau and s/c 60 spoke WW, new Coker Michelin replica tires Complete maintenance records from 1978 (4 notebooks) Engine rebuilt in 1978@79,600-runs great, mi Present mileage- Included spares: 2 complete engines 2 trannys, rear ends. New, unused top & tonneau Several generators and starters, set of 48 spoke wires, wiring harnesses, ignition parts, instruments, bearing sets, new hydraulic cyls. , new suspension/steering bushings, gasket sets, H2O pumps, carbs, switches and knobs Rebuild kits for everything rebuildable, misc. trim parts, RR fender, Roll bar(anti & over) top bow, Misc. trim parts, fasteners, books and manuals, and memorabilia. Essentially a garage full of TR stuff, a lifetimes worth. Take all you can carry. Car now garaged in Martinsburg WV. Frank P. Herrera 202-210-3315 frank.herrera515@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:33:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5712B2584A77 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:33:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB202584876 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:32:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140817213256.SYW29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:32:56 -0400 Received: from Bedroom ([68.226.121.76]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id fxYw1o0061f04Vw01xYwYb; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:32:56 -0400 a=7SSsm+IB0xObbcIu0fZJIw==:17 a=zPXHRQJSEgsA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=IMbiDG_0mD40KrfLR1oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Zt3NhfD7F-kXxkAZ:21 a=jnVQAGuoLX5QxzAA:21 a=7SSsm+IB0xObbcIu0fZJIw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'darrell floyd'" , References: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:33:23 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+6YJU1nx+wmetCQoiSmtHsH91dmgAAXqPA Subject: Re: [TR] tires for TR8's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am running 15" TR8 wheels on my Honda powered Spit. They are Panasport 6" wide and I have Kumho 205/50-R15 tires which are very close in circumference to the 70 series 13" tires that were on the car. That would keep the speedo very close to accuracy. I made that change because there is a dwindling supply of 13" performance tires, since that size is currently only supplied on cheap econo-boxes. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of darrell floyd Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:13 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] tires for TR8's Hey List, I am about to buy some Japanese tires for the Eight only because the 185/70/13 size is pretty thin with current offerings. I would like to have made in USA or at least Euro brands on the Eight. I am willing to alter the size from stock. Any ideas? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:35:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839B82584A86 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363632584876 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948292C014D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:35:14 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <23F407B0-A4EA-46C4-AA26-458C72AFE4F3@mgcarclub.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Allen Hess wrote: > The following is from the friend of a friend. I dont know anything else about > it. Contact info at the end. > Car now garaged in Martinsburg WV. > Frank P. Herrera > 202-210-3315 > frank.herrera515@comcast.net Name seems familiar, perhaps a former list subscriber? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:56:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657552584BF9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:56:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 677572584A64 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:55:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.77]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 6BA9A702AA6C8; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (10.sub-70-199-246.myvzw.com [70.199.246.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 307D238000093; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:56:19 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Jack Mc Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:56:18 -0400 To: darrell floyd x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408312579; bh=ct7JNHrtelApDB/WimrMa4NJLbWOaOJ3H4A6JU1Ei3g=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ko1t5FtNdO/smfQ4BPQeuV/ah5q8R9IWBPNtTXOfXimd3kdnrd/Dtrq+x6dsKzfB3 kEgmbQA4ykyilnNnItDbjA4B3eP6XQfsfl8M+NAjWE18e3Zx3G38G0Pv8a1O1LgZDz qZPwWTaIZEQYCNwr6EESCkm6vVKLRa8DNlBchZUI= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd4d53f1250361f3 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] tires for TR8's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Darrell We have 185/70 13 Vredestein Quatrac3 on Caroline's TR8 - they were on the car last time you saw it at San Rafael They are very good tires - better than some of the 205/60 13s we used to use when you could still get them. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Aug 17, 2014, at 5:13 PM, darrell floyd wrote: > > Hey List, > I am about to buy some Japanese tires for the Eight only because > the 185/70/13 size is pretty thin with current offerings. I would like to > have made in USA or at least Euro brands on the Eight. I am willing to > alter the size from stock. Any ideas? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:58:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196172584C01 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:58:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9430E2584BC9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:58:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id hq11so5004056vcb.30 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=e2pRS7WJuQ0pXpyQDbZEPylJa3ht/Ax0+FSqeHVCxd4=; b=G898us3bZaC79oqGh2i3zVrsHFaCnDAiMkmTGTWvJiLQqiF69B+o5WQ1bLNun1s54C 9qNdzidsPBhLFsus0K/t4DsXAFVcyf2sRcnQD+EHSDIK7YpFLd9ZBnrs2mWUNnpUk3rf NPutTWYdoawrHVFYfrW1eFOwtDMSshvzyQrLvwIHcutQt/FpOApZeDUFB1y0xeUq7mNa hy7ftUsQfNZ4f///UV4efdreXqOl+t4b9zvJQwrqByO9EZp0kXvem109jFJ6R3MTxU6s ZD104tIdHBdeV5KYoobR3ZTCIMVAp4gxnmi+KJnRlEOxEqViI96KhUcadYgT9iY4qnhJ V0LQ== vn3mr1940594vdc.47.1408312741652; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:59:01 -0700 (PDT) References: <23F407B0-A4EA-46C4-AA26-458C72AFE4F3@mgcarclub.com> <53F12012.3030902@bradakis.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 14:59:01 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > Frank P. Herrera > 202-210-3315 > frank.herrera515@comcast.net > > > Name seems familiar, perhaps a former list subscriber > We have a John Herrera on the list. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 15:59:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7D2584C0C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47FD2584C00 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:58:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:51421] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id BF/DA-19179-3C521F35; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:59:31 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <007401cfba4f$2e6f42e0$8b4dc8a0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:59:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the early tank has a vent tube on the top and the later ones don't Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Uprichard" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:12 PM To: Subject: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank > List: In order to secure a Surrey top, I have ended up with a pile of TR4 > parts that I didn't really want or need - some 4 and some 4A. I have a > gas > tank for which I have no use, but before I list it on eBay, I need to know > if it is the one for an early 4 versus the one on the late 4s which (at > least according to Moss part numbers) was used on the 4A and 250. What > distinguishing marks should I be looking for? > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 16:14:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80582584C0C for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFADB25804C0 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.74.81]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id fyDC1o0051lE9SW01yDNmC; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:13:23 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Greg Lemon'" , References: <007401cfba4f$2e6f42e0$8b4dc8a0$@uprichard.net> <3D99E3AEA793436882008D430DD7EC9E@livingroompc> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:13:12 -0400 Thread-Index: AQEPAI0LGltFORm4YAO6lZApYJgRawFhLQp0nUvGMIA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg: Thank you and thanks also to the others who confirm this is the only difference. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lemon [mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:59 PM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank I believe the early tank has a vent tube on the top and the later ones don't Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Uprichard" Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 2:12 PM To: Subject: [TR] TR4 / 4A gas tank > List: In order to secure a Surrey top, I have ended up with a pile of > TR4 parts that I didn't really want or need - some 4 and some 4A. I > have a gas tank for which I have no use, but before I list it on eBay, > I need to know if it is the one for an early 4 versus the one on the > late 4s which (at least according to Moss part numbers) was used on > the 4A and 250. What distinguishing marks should I be looking for? > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 17:02:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646FC2584981 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:02:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D791C2584537 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:65499] helo=VlackTK121647) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DF/DB-18886-B7431F35; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 23:02:20 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Allen Hess" , References: <23F407B0-A4EA-46C4-AA26-458C72AFE4F3@mgcarclub.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:02:25 -0400 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=bqD3cXOJW5IA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=qyZ1dp3YHQLJ4tA03S8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=4eC2QQ5lj1kA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember the car, as I recall it was a very nice car. Frank is John's brother. John passed away a few years ago, rest in piece John, a wonderful guy. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Allen Hess Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 5:22 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3A for sale The following is from the friend of a friend. I dont know anything else about it. Contact info at the end. Allen 1959 TR3A s/n TS5882L , built Aug 10 1959. Body shell # 1060761. Great driver owned by rabid enthusiast. $20,000 Powder Blue, Black leather interior (like new), white top, tonneau and s/c 60 spoke WW, new Coker Michelin replica tires Complete maintenance records from 1978 (4 notebooks) Engine rebuilt in 1978@79,600-runs great, mi Present mileage- Included spares: 2 complete engines 2 trannys, rear ends. New, unused top & tonneau Several generators and starters, set of 48 spoke wires, wiring harnesses, ignition parts, instruments, bearing sets, new hydraulic cyls. , new suspension/steering bushings, gasket sets, H2O pumps, carbs, switches and knobs Rebuild kits for everything rebuildable, misc. trim parts, RR fender, Roll bar(anti & over) top bow, Misc. trim parts, fasteners, books and manuals, and memorabilia. Essentially a garage full of TR stuff, a lifetimes worth. Take all you can carry. Car now garaged in Martinsburg WV. Frank P. Herrera 202-210-3315 frank.herrera515@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4007/8054 - Release Date: 08/17/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 18:00:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D7E2584568 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:00:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C6D258065E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 17:59:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NAH00JN36NQN470@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:00:31 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <23F407B0-A4EA-46C4-AA26-458C72AFE4F3@mgcarclub.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TS5882L wouldn't be a valid commission number for a 1959, or for a TR3A at all. Misprint? George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 8/17/2014 5:22 PM, Allen Hess wrote: > The following is from the friend of a friend. I dont know anything else about > it. Contact info at the end. > > Allen > > 1959 TR3A s/n TS5882L , built Aug 10 1959. Body shell # 1060761. Great driver > owned by rabid enthusiast. $20,000 > > Powder Blue, Black leather interior (like new), white top, tonneau and s/c > 60 spoke WW, new Coker Michelin replica tires > > Complete maintenance records from 1978 (4 notebooks) > Engine rebuilt in 1978@79,600-runs great, mi Present mileage- > > Included spares: > > 2 complete engines > 2 trannys, rear ends. > New, unused top & tonneau > Several generators and starters, set of 48 spoke wires, wiring harnesses, > ignition parts, instruments, bearing sets, new hydraulic cyls. , new > suspension/steering bushings, gasket sets, H2O pumps, carbs, switches and > knobs Rebuild kits for everything rebuildable, misc. trim parts, RR fender, > Roll bar(anti & over) top bow, Misc. trim parts, fasteners, books and manuals, > and memorabilia. > > Essentially a garage full of TR stuff, a lifetimes worth. Take all you can > carry. > > Car now garaged in Martinsburg WV. > Frank P. Herrera > 202-210-3315 > frank.herrera515@comcast.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 19:07:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8442584558 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2B62584537 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:06:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.12] helo=walmailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XJBPv-00045t-QI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:07:23 -0400 Received: from [10.114.3.31] (helo=walimpout11) by walmailscan12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XJBPv-0000CV-NM for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:07:23 -0400 Received: from walauthsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.3]) by walimpout11 with id g17L1o00803yUm20117PeY; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:07:23 -0400 a=maIvl2Yd+fJND/e85XqkCw==:117 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=OF-CdTOGAAAA:8 a=UWBKU8OG_3kA:10 a=CaXxEHpsUs4A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=n8i27M1mAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jzOBOmeW1zdwcVWtnhoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 Received: from c-69-180-140-196.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([69.180.140.196]:53369 helo=192.168.1.10) by walauthsmtp03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1XJBPs-0008Sk-Dg; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:07:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:00:24 -0500 From: Greg Gelhar To: Frank Fisher , TR3/6 Subject: Re: [TR] 73 TR6 oil filter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That is not what my 73 TR6 filter looks like. And yes, only the later water pump with the dual groove pulley is available. It functions just fine. T-Mobile. Americabs First Nationwide 4G Network Frank Fisher wrote: >i have buddies 73 TR6 in may garage that im free to play with. looks nice next to the TR3. >seems 1973 was not the year to own. so many differences from 72 and 74. >so 2 problems. > >bought a modern oil filter kit from moss. the existing canister has a hydraulic line that comes out of the canister and goes into the block just below the oil pressure gage sender. of course the moss unit is not set up for this. what is that hydraulic line doing? are all the TR6 like that? > >water pump. not available for 1973! may be able to use a later model. anyone tried? > >thanks >Frank > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 17 21:57:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7672D2584D70 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13112584AB3 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2014 03:57:44 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2014 03:54:46 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2014 03:54:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2014 03:54:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 66255 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2014 03:54:46 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408334086; bh=u81UaT3DYyzUtj4+kuIcMfjrZe6/nxCU07nbrHrU7ho=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cod+QV1q719xZAzRvc7inkn+6zO5A51NfgZl6hMNtosDRlLPl2q3E5gse71KRsMd2DBbZaovo3LvnNqYseVWzm23TyjaIBbL8zyabTtJjxBLvxRAg9YYrs518dGy3XZp11qJ/hRpo9jqSRKor0wfUQVag4hNdqYYjAcH76gDk40= n9maX6BhX1.DJ5ieVFhpaU8y8ZofU5jY4SrDceDVYX5snTtm0AlsukcNKMv8 5Hf9eKyfLvzFCzOYQpxnaT6nAXenpY8D5eOgCUOEyQ86I7QD0mqnWDnrZmEx SUql4U9dpjI5KkfvExEW_UnKwajpPose9LXU77yyYtoxtYI1c4HoAuaF1VnS mIgAbQziHBXC.QZRL5ivNdpfKGteOFHOMMHMpPQSSsqDskihf9skleB6b0Q. xbpNj4uF5VGbZD17e1dPnp3V6DNQvJyuJF1E_UcPRO_V7L_Don4V8pCwnVlE 1S82LUL.rKJ6tKynC6D47E8Sov0ycQINzwxHNfaMHZXgB3CLz0spI542GFlo 25RXgOwWk4rEL0TpL4gaDK7pqVaNQP7Fzcy02y9L263clO0e6wo__j6ES3OD .MObnJphCvZ5K1Il3g4tK0S8wdPajrOdhJiBCfoJw2toiWjE_zBQGYZQ8aco WgzoSNALurcEx6VTWmg8O5Fi_AMYwrHfjXWepEzw2mqwzBPY4lhce3qblcFH 4BzzaP.nnapB6q0P6B0tdd.S_3IuylIK_UuV7Cw2XRqTnQQBZIPlg9RsRwvZ z94p50w-- Received: from [72.192.115.87] by web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:54:46 PDT VHdvIHRoaW5nczoKwqAKU3RhcnRlciBSZWxheQrCoApHcm91bmQgU3RyYXAgdG8gdGhlIGVuZ2luZSAoZnJvbSBkcml2ZXJzIHNpZGUgZmlyZXdhbGwgdG8gdGhlIGVuZ2luZSkuIAoKCk9uIFN1bmRheSwgQXVndXN0IDE3LCAyMDE0IDM6MzEgUE0sIEphbWVzIEhlbm5pbmdzZW4gPHRyZ3V5NzVAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKICAKCgpMaXN0OgoKSSBoYXZlIG15IG9sZCBtb3RvciByZWluc3RhbGxlZCBpbiBteSA3NSBUUjYgYW5kIHJlYWR5IHRvIHJvY2sgYW5kIHJvbGwuCkFsbCBJIGFtIGdldHRpbmcgd2gBMAEBAQE- References: <000401cfba59$ee4e7a90$caeb6fb0$@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:54:46 -0700 From: Chad To: James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Starting Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Two things: Starter Relay Ground Strap to the engine (from drivers side firewall to the engine). On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:31 PM, James Henningsen wrote: List: I have my old motor reinstalled in my 75 TR6 and ready to rock and roll. All I am getting when turning it over is clicking at the starter relay near the fuse box. Battery registers 12.5 volts which I thought would be enough to turn it over. The starter relay has been working fine for years, so might just switch it out with another. I have both hot wires and ground attached to starter solenoid just as before. Original Lucas starter has worked great all 16 years I have owned the car. The motor turns over by hand with a socket on the front of the crank pulley. Any ideas on diagnosing the problem would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 75 TR6 62 TR4 x2 68 Land Rover Series II ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 05:03:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815FC258447E for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 05:03:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC1S28.hotmail.com (bay004-omc1s28.hotmail.com [65.54.190.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EFE25809EA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 05:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W32 ([65.54.190.60]) by BAY004-OMC1S28.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 18 Aug 2014 04:04:24 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Triumph List Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 06:04:23 -0500 References: <23F407B0-A4EA-46C4-AA26-458C72AFE4F3@mgcarclub.com>, FILETIME=[2B884E20:01CFBAD4] Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Agree completely, John was a great guy. Not sure this link will make it through, but here is a picture from a couple of years ago at Watkins Glen where I was able to visit with him. http://www.tr-register.com.au/Files/powderblue/powderblueherreraj.htm Randy > I remember the car, as I recall it was a very nice car. Frank is John's > brother. John passed away a few years ago, rest in piece John, a wonderful > guy. > JVV ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 13:27:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E5C2584AF9 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1534B2584596 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 216-75-166-212.ded.execulink.com ([216.75.166.212] helo=[192.168.4.105]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XJSah-0000dm-0T for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:27:39 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:27:37 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Aug 17, 2014, at 8:00 PM, George Richardson wrote: > > TS5882L wouldn't be a valid commission number for a 1959, or for a TR3A > at all. Misprint? > > George Richardson TS56882L Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 16:07:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09CF258506A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:07:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8202584FDA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:06:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NAI005H5W45RU70@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:07:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:07:17 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-18_04:2014-08-18,2014-08-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408180249 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Handbrake Grip Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all those who replied to my email about the threads on my TR4 handbrake lever. Thanks especially to Randall. It never occurred to me to use the Stanpart catalog like that. I had lots of fun going it looking for part changes that aren't mentioned in Piggott's book. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 18:45:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324CE2584AF1 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC14E25809FA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gQlJ1o0044oFfFQ01QlJy3; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:45:19 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:41:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] stator tube and boss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net hi, all. apparently the plastic boss on the top of the stator tube for my tr3 needs repair/replacement. recommendations? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 19:18:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441C6258493A for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:18:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8715625809FA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:5228] helo=cdptpa-web04) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 96/63-10167-1F5A2F35; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:18:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 1:18:41 +0000 From: Randall To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 1:18:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] stator tube and boss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- dave n wrote: > hi, all. apparently the plastic boss on the top of the stator tube for my tr3 > needs repair/replacement. Uh, what plastic boss? The stator tube is all steel, the top just has a slot that engages some notches inside the control head assembly. Or are you talking about the control head assembly itself? Repair is pretty much limited to cleaning and lubrication, but mine does seem to need that every 5-10 years. Replacements are available from the usual suspects. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 19:30:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D71B2584938 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:30:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout09.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout09.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1EA25809FA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.8] helo=walmailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout09.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XJYG4-0004wr-J4 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:44 -0400 Received: from [10.114.3.31] (helo=walimpout11) by walmailscan08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XJYG4-0003nP-9q for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:44 -0400 Received: from webmail11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.11]) by walimpout11 with id gRWh1o0020EKF3e01RWkXl; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:44 -0400 a=Ndu5mMaA1Y8XCUuBqOSqgg==:117 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=OF-CdTOGAAAA:8 a=dSNgoBpBW2kA:10 a=xtGqBDl8SAgA:10 a=gXFnx7AURy8A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=z1R5-WJlAAAA:8 a=SxiU5fG-pxkSsUgdBv0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=PZZK1-T2SewA:10 a=o8hDQ0G7OvMA:10 a=kg9qoP3DWH8A:10 a=ZkWWmaQLS6UA:10 a=vOeZwsT-ctYA:10 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XJYFQ-0007WH-PI; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:04 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:04 -0400 References: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:04 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "dave n" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] stator tube and boss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can you identify the part on the Moss Motors page? http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29140 I am not remembering a plastic portion of the stator tube. Greg G. Osseo, MN > hi, all. apparently the plastic boss on the top of the stator tube for my > tr3 > needs repair/replacement. > > recommendations? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 18 20:30:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25B32584887 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:30:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698322584552 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gSWD1o0064oFfFQ01SWFxd; Mon, 18 Aug 2014 19:30:15 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <20140819011841.SSKJF.354825.root@cdptpa-web04> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 21:30:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] stator tube and boss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net sorry for the terminology mixup - itbs the control head. that fits on the stator tube . . . .moss 667-480 is there someone who refurbishes them? -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 8:18 PM To: dave n ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] stator tube and boss ---- dave n wrote: > hi, all. apparently the plastic boss on the top of the stator tube for my > tr3 > needs repair/replacement. Uh, what plastic boss? The stator tube is all steel, the top just has a slot that engages some notches inside the control head assembly. Or are you talking about the control head assembly itself? Repair is pretty much limited to cleaning and lubrication, but mine does seem to need that every 5-10 years. Replacements are available from the usual suspects. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 01:22:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B6B258513C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:22:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86ACC25809F1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:20:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail.rubbeco.com ([217.35.82.138]:49372 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XJdip-004Ile-OT for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:20:47 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:20:57 +0100 Thread-Index: Ac+7fJd8XOHAn3wyShqr1LGWrXEAbQ== Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a strictly non-political post but to be forewarned is to be forearmed:) For those of you whose clubs feature the Union Flag (Union Jack) in their imageries, on 14th September the citizens of Scotland are going to vote in a referendum (yawn) on whether to seek independence from England and Wales - or not. If they win, this means the 'Saltire' - the Scottish flag with a blue background and diagonal white crosses would strictly no longer be part of the wider and better known Union flag. Knowing how many on this list strive for keeping things accurate, retaining the Union flag image on club promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) If nothing else, a club committee debate might be in order here to review the opportunities over a few six packs and masquerade it all as a tech session. Jonmac (Descended from a nasty gang of Scottish cattle rustlers and wife traders) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 05:39:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3AF25851CE for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 05:39:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DF32584545 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 05:38:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id gi9so3271368lab.30 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 04:39:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iDdI1Ev/aa/1KGtFOs3iC4mE9fJWGfDVY9lnFfkKVQM=; b=XVh95Sf4FNn6TzrSv+4q7qH3wMaXSJsuvkLzrd81WvUmjErxbsByAy5M2GCFX3PLkI ZmLnqxyUaD83HmbxhILDg4MnnlZiCmBoxgFeR79qmCBC1203Na39dW3q86FpQBdjEyWP u+DyO8TpwsyFmumjVVX3T36M6V6Ks2lZX6gVqjYz+rSnlrfiZScrqOXISybfUCpeGwI2 3uNq1jWjKuhKZuJd1S5RfXtE09ulDA2cDN/rnUYq6p99h7Ik9uCEE/yD5Rs11oaW0kPE eoAilq9W6tQA1VkTQV7m0yEowCN18bweUKe+5CLYqoYtoc8mNj6h5378qs96VPxt+nTT PXrA== c10mr8672927lbv.100.1408448355786; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 04:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 04:39:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:39:15 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: John Macartney Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm as much a Scot as the next fellow, and a big fan of independence, but... It seems to me that to be historically accurate, we need to fly the flag that was in place when our cars were built, Thus, I won't have to change the fender decals on my TR6. On second thought, perhaps we should have another uisge and discuss it further? Jeff Scarbrough - but my mother was a Gordon Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:20 AM, John Macartney wrote: > This is a strictly non-political post but to be forewarned is to be > forearmed:) > > For those of you whose clubs feature the Union Flag (Union Jack) in their > imageries, on 14th September the citizens of Scotland are going to vote in a > referendum (yawn) on whether to seek independence from England and Wales - > or not. If they win, this means the 'Saltire' - the Scottish flag with a > blue background and diagonal white crosses would strictly no longer be part > of the wider and better known Union flag. Knowing how many on this list > strive for keeping things accurate, retaining the Union flag image on club > promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) If nothing else, a > club committee debate might be in order here to review the opportunities > over a few six packs and masquerade it all as a tech session. > > Jonmac > (Descended from a nasty gang of Scottish cattle rustlers and wife traders) > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 06:04:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FD62585211 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A43E2584547 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.143]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7DB667000008A; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-aah01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DC1D238000082; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:04:37 -0400 (EDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> To: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va018.sysops.aol.com (149.174.115.103) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:04:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:04:37 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408449879; bh=LvpwY/2KwN3c50BrtqXNsbjZ/HhbfXy3+Z2F01pixqA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZT491ufd87DsuIXWwbRty3ladChAEudZ3DXwCiX09Hf8E2QXyMXHjaZqavVrCiYVv HTAZp6MuKYg14Q1nJYKbuy1hc3DRgTX8HfonIpuCOs+lvP95DDtecjviUTeaUGCune XEU65AQyQ/5P8gGNu3exRNQUsVduO7keLVVwu8yA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b018f53f33d550cde Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And when Northern Ireland breaks away you will be stuck with the old red on white English flag. How drab. Another icon bites the dust. Dave Clan Matheson Chairman, Piping and Drumming Competition St. Louis Scottish Games and Cultural Festival. -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney To: triumphs Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 2:29 am Subject: [TR] Prepare for a change? This is a strictly non-political post but to be forewarned is to be forearmed:) For those of you whose clubs feature the Union Flag (Union Jack) in their imageries, on 14th September the citizens of Scotland are going to vote in a referendum (yawn) on whether to seek independence from England and Wales - or not. If they win, this means the 'Saltire' - the Scottish flag with a blue background and diagonal white crosses would strictly no longer be part of the wider and better known Union flag. Knowing how many on this list strive for keeping things accurate, retaining the Union flag image on club promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) If nothing else, a club committee debate might be in order here to review the opportunities over a few six packs and masquerade it all as a tech session. Jonmac (Descended from a nasty gang of Scottish cattle rustlers and wife traders) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 07:23:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6032585189 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:23:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E089425804F8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:21:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hy4so7372663vcb.36 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SLyHUWgwMJLCiL4R8p8+3H+oiLNC119Xe1eACwRNnLc=; b=NRkRw1oMkJjHlYIoN1FMP2QOXogHesL367HDI/+Fg4FYZsrOnE1hxQXsEmoglPfSyY n08a9RCyX92hiR6JnsLz+XcAH1oTtZT3e9k/ZyFH7ofI0pjTlZUyUw5LZ0NaJSUjiWXG pk9667qziY48D1igC7oqf4UKKm7AXW2QSTm9UIQUClP66+jXm0/TTKmW1HVRmypw9LUB ZzclW7EqjanbxZbsfk3DbAL401Tg2g69maZELFfsf8KlZ0gTxnZQExOO2qgNX8RxANkS 8Zn17dxUISW24cfiOK+HGrPImmZeNMkYJ7w231vrtuq4Po0pTZrp8/wswDx9O+gPVV/6 jrgg== ce5mr117734vcb.76.1408454528039; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:22:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:22:07 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: John Macartney Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:20 AM, John Macartney < john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk> wrote: > Knowing how many on this list strive for keeping things accurate, > retaining the Union flag image on club > promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) Perfect for me, 'seriously out of date' pretty much sums up my position on things automotive. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 07:24:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E0825851F8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3BC25804F8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.206]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B4CC77021FB85; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.254.14] (cpe-071-075-151-104.carolina.res.rr.com [71.75.151.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mce02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 3F74338000085; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> From: Jack Mc Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:23:21 -0400 To: John Macartney x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408454601; bh=umTREngUxJ1l4UwsSpblsRIVoP8lu8KB6IyX3rLaBbo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=p6/6DYkuyeL05oH+/H5JRNa+dlQofPaIbVnql02zi1xGt7wnR0pSVs0R/UvHe4gug JYBMucBnfFYF4/iD/Vd4xy10SMFMjRIKQFPK6tHRWZ1mABPN5mbhifjZaxIfakhHOV VEP8+jWVyoQd+4tfeet7nW8SiSlfNTQCDbPu72/E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bce53f34fc97c27 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My ancestors left Scotland during some unpleasantness called the highland clearance - or something like that. I atone to my ancestors for owning English cars by keeping a Union Jack doormat at the front door for all guests to wipe their feet on. If the Cross of St Andrews is removed from the Union Jack, I'll obviously want to get a new door mat. Tongue firmly in cheek, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Aug 19, 2014, at 3:20 AM, "John Macartney" wrote: > > This is a strictly non-political post but to be forewarned is to be > forearmed:) > > For those of you whose clubs feature the Union Flag (Union Jack) in their > imageries, on 14th September the citizens of Scotland are going to vote in a > referendum (yawn) on whether to seek independence from England and Wales - > or not. If they win, this means the 'Saltire' - the Scottish flag with a > blue background and diagonal white crosses would strictly no longer be part > of the wider and better known Union flag. Knowing how many on this list > strive for keeping things accurate, retaining the Union flag image on club > promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) If nothing else, a > club committee debate might be in order here to review the opportunities > over a few six packs and masquerade it all as a tech session. > > Jonmac > (Descended from a nasty gang of Scottish cattle rustlers and wife traders) > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 07:55:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17716258525D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1993D258043B for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 07:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so5519843lbi.13 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:55:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=a5Qwi7i3A5ETvroE4hA2jeK1VKikiY/+SoE+GE3hZQk=; b=bEngbCTOebaMv6hUve0m+k3fgTbfBwmuIAA1gg6P7b26ou/pp6CssmrnJELZyTdIth oPkQFyUni0huQkvOofI6Tp06Oq8cRLVUoLbdc22GC0BoCnl7FQ/quKdJqn6Sx8Qg+Mlq SXKdVpCrL/UPQ0A8u0i4OVxEKMZWo3ijHR+2r63P8JeiapVazCHmL+n96g15C1Q7iKWI GpZR4JZURN9aPaP6kBuZZpAsch0OZqfUkXfaUpjH2VRUjXmGsK/nIUNFw0rgnWHY0k1n E2lxPLRGmV2HQtD52wmXpOFzRPlC7Jjw3nvdZlfCLTWzQ8z4f+Z895kpIkp1ZXyENYX3 pExw== nr9mr35069058lbb.43.1408456542213; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 06:55:42 -0700 (PDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:55:42 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: John Macartney Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Either way, I will still fly my Red Ensign when the mood strikes me. I care not which way Scotland votes. In the case of Ireland, though, 26+6=1 On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:20 AM, John Macartney < john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk> wrote: > This is a strictly non-political post but to be forewarned is to be > forearmed:) > > For those of you whose clubs feature the Union Flag (Union Jack) in their > imageries, on 14th September the citizens of Scotland are going to vote in > a > referendum (yawn) on whether to seek independence from England and Wales - > or not. If they win, this means the 'Saltire' - the Scottish flag with a > blue background and diagonal white crosses would strictly no longer be part > of the wider and better known Union flag. Knowing how many on this list > strive for keeping things accurate, retaining the Union flag image on club > promotionals could leave y'all seriously out of date :) If nothing else, a > club committee debate might be in order here to review the opportunities > over a few six packs and masquerade it all as a tech session. > > Jonmac > (Descended from a nasty gang of Scottish cattle rustlers and wife traders) > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 09:00:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1972585282 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:00:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EFBE2585229 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S26.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.26]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id 8NmrIGrqlBwdfy0v for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:00:39 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: Triumphs Thread-Topic: Whitewall Radial 165R15 Thread-Index: Ac+7vBVlx4whnj23T/KKmpm34xTH4w== Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:00:38 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M, HTML_MESSAGE breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: [TR] Whitewall Radial 165R15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, The bias-ply "Universal" wide whitewall tires on our 1956 TR3 still look great but are 20+ years old and need to be replaced. I'm inclined to go with radials this time around and see three wide white radials offerings on the COKER tire site: - Coker @ $160 - B F Goodrich @ $194 - American Classic @ $192 I'm inclined to go with the Coker version. Anyone have experience with any of these or maybe another 165R15 from another vendor? I'm running Dayton wire wheels so will be using tubes. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 09:04:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11B52585269 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.238]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3882585229 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:04:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa07-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id gf4t1o00C1qFPpX01f4tuf; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:04:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:04:49 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] GT6's Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Morning all, I have a pair of GT6's for selling.. One is a '67 builder. The other a mostly complete GT6+ ('68) They are mostly rust free save the usual rocker issues (pretty easy to fix) Both have clear AZ titles. The GT6+ is worth more, but will sell for $1500 (you fetch it) The '67 goes for $500 a bit more if you want the engine/gearbox, which is currently out.. again you fetch it. Have a limited number of pictures. Send requests off Mark's already overburdened server.. My contact info is below.. dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 09:24:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E440A25808B3 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:24:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CB22580773 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id u20so4625712oif.8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=cD7X0Vn3dLSjo/s5Fiqv5Pza3Mx4EZb4A2Z1zmYDKI8=; b=m50FuDukdTZhcj+PvfPRJyRHbv3tnpxgg/wlUq17ymEVgQVjZXRLE9GmN0VG3/67KW 15QKeJSI0u/KQOpQEM48iy27X/pBQc6EAPmfA/9Cb71LviH4Oas+NSW+SrY7U4vOrftu W+jAL8MbyIYP8TcOObPZ1yP88GXrgEbxpV0nh8PIT29DqfZnVsJd2UBgfNIP/QP+7BXv 800dQQV3RYcB3NaftPot2yEyztdkVn5x1gu3oFmqsKFQ7/wW0OG4Kk8KUCXHgIgLDOyX IkatkkVFG8+YED61xUHxcg+99P3qrCUKTdHszsRwGJBFVbmFOJX0Wq3WeTLAoh6Mg4e4 FA2g== y4mr43676177oel.60.1408461830139; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bv3sm21725676obd.2.2014.08.19.08.23.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:23:48 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So if Scotland votes to become free, will that mean that the British army will withdraw from occupying Castle Edinburgh? I don't have a horse in this race but I much prefer the Lion Rampant royal standard to the Cross of St Andrew. It has more character. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 09:30:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78606258452D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3947D2580773 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:30:46 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1408462285; bh=eIX50LoPYbs6DZGMHScuytv59N9HYxzGdBCNZEpiZy0=; b=XrJh4IxSdDc5NPPU62XuYjkTu5CVHFBuFw3y7BsPPYPBZ+MV50IJr4hLvEZn5G0H/CmxYUrIF/F6fgDZesAsIDocybcLPp2WBo3G26uZfbZsCbRsl/kbgHi35C51rP2T5efitn+TDhuG+wdRYykmFT6ddPwJo8uaM+G1vTkOxDP9S+lEFs0rYuJZ1uMCMsbzEEfWzXO/4cMkOfI5SbkAJ179cqbfl0QGh51+Eh7DWFXM9/jDig8/Tx94fOP7VzeQJPnHNz/Chvh3izoTzflfmimwrjOSeLJLTKc+3next3/LubrLyJku4zCUCcO1HnIa3xhOGN4sbXbCBievk/dDyQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=flash.net; b=VyM4Mvf6exFrn5H5SaDsFHeXRcZl2m4cBFm8tddmzKMSSBFhg3PJhuy7GDV4TmOMIhz1a6HXudc4n6GLOAPplSdS1RhDZOEPcE2u+ZeQoqJtlDQPBijuhGYeRlqkqZ6H2Riup1qhTcDJuOlRfaYsQoroki4gX04ZGAqlu+flw7DjSxHs5QkpCFzrfhgYL4RYMlfXqVyh/5KxtACcEq0dg+dyN6/MYVql1Bm3TsrVHDuXbQd6jrCZMOZOEP3Hj5kxmwZbvHXwFMh7YlpYkfsVEtRiM/XFPifozdXd1ZVKb9uRUUW3I1cj40b1I8dTXJJM6FSLX0Ow9VRNFuIRbLVbYA==; Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm23.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2014 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.76] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2014 15:31:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp238.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2014 15:31:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408462285; bh=eIX50LoPYbs6DZGMHScuytv59N9HYxzGdBCNZEpiZy0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=dBQKGSM0RJyno3XeKkc+BE0C6suCs6cg0f2hdK2AhwUA4+mAS9EU9fE06l00DWME1wRxxCNgncnQIYnxb5KllZAgOSrV4nE6MyNaKaY0EG1PR3ZQAN0VXCYwhapW/gY3OK7m4kE9cIV9nemiWic/akkOzHTHh8E8lYQHEjE3iEw= 4Yp8R1..p1FV8xw9xliVT_9QjHYcMHox4FxEQQOda2WyqCf1WhxVq_mRIVSo LIQ0aHyp8NbfYy9QR8hpNhy44UiKnU7J85nK9C1.o8LOnJ8o3Ino4iMn_VyE g2OcafwQI_W1zFs0dU73Z9b6sQmj5vZheM_eU.OfW61XFLlFUjENJbmv2MX6 BXDC2aVAB2hh1QykbGfMrQ98MMQ50syW5dhadDr0AFbxIFtQHuLm.nUYNhni q5YzB1pB7SLwWtW7tIBp.FZwmrUbPFFQZbZeDaScauwdLWyW6ku.MiZ4.hSI yFz_Pph0ad.b.MmFYmVVf1gd6vWUC.JM5pLZuMDHNB3upMdXQ9yH2i3EqGtd YxB01xMyI___yiIv4Fq0Y.shI2Gevp44x1elXF8rraWr_FKzEGNiy.z1bJwn sticCjbob9XeFMn12F.UE.Mk40PILt7hG2IoF8uyzYp89gsYsIGUJWMVyxdV oCftYmj0K3qNUkxZb7izq1bR0PK0l6YBbIaYkKxshOAGjPZHwrwY6aIxuD35 bUJuuZQkaegokZ4LOgNGF7b9j2phIY4QIRfTfYVURpIeyEzd5rRgtOnknB9b k2gqCXf12wXAsG4WrM_oc3.rbtjS_bbXQJkg- References: From: Wbeech Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:31:22 -0500 To: Brian Thomas Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Whitewall Radial 165R15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I went with Diamondback white walls, they used a Nankang tire. Very satisfied. www.dbtires.com NFI, Bill N Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Brian Thomas wrote: Hi, The bias-ply "Universal" wide whitewall tires on our 1956 TR3 still look great but are 20+ years old and need to be replaced. I'm inclined to go with radials this time around and see three wide white radials offerings on the COKER tire site: - Coker @ $160 - B F Goodrich @ $194 - American Classic @ $192 I'm inclined to go with the Coker version. Anyone have experience with any of these or maybe another 165R15 from another vendor? I'm running Dayton wire wheels so will be using tubes. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 09:45:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B782584593 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EBB2580798 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com [172.27.3.208]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3E4E9702F0ED8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa002c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.5]) by mtaomg-aaj02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CDA0C38000085 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:45:37 -0400 (EDT) References: <001501cfbb7e$1f351680$5d9f4380$@ukpips.org.uk> <53F36C04.2080106@gmail.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m267.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.225) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:45:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:45:37 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408463138; bh=8P9+nDwKLv5Jr3e51p7iPAjTLVfQIthPWg5VU9dJbac=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MwstOAJivRnSnjvQ+/EMcYtm3K620QsseZjpI23gGSU3PHAYGvk3U/SU0sri8V4hU NZUU8gWVjpiRYL1iBuAaX8jXT1VCmHPAw5VeG/ccEB4IuwL8HcxjKBxEpbrPDC9STR BPRq02BukP5nebmtFPmIKTWbRsgTjtaeAGeksjsg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b03d053f37121642b Subject: Re: [TR] Prepare for a change? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And from the deep water lochs where they park their subs when not at sea. And then the arguments begins as to who, exactly, has rights to the North Sea oil. The Lion Rampant is a very iconic flag, as well, and quite attractive. As such it is frequently used in inappropriate situations. For example, the Lion Rampant is to be flown only when the Queen is in residence. If Scotland goes independent the queen may no longer summer in Balmoral Castle and fly the Lion rampant. Perhaps she can summer in Caerphilly Castle and fly the Welsh Dragon, another striking flag. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman So if Scotland votes to become free, will that mean that the British army will withdraw from occupying Castle Edinburgh? I don't have a horse in this race but I much prefer the Lion Rampant royal standard to the Cross of St Andrew. It has more character. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 13:50:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742DC25855D8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.55.34.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6922584E1F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:49:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W39 ([65.55.34.9]) by COL004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:50:39 -0700 From: Peter Arakelian To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:50:39 -0700 FILETIME=[DA23B880:01CFBBE6] Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, went to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let the clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd OK. Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted into 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:06:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9017725855BC for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:06:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F61F2584E72 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170130pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NAK00E39L7UOKD0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vznit170130 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: peterara@msn.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, been there myself on my 72 TR6. Check master and slave and see if they are leaking. If not, try putting the bar in the other hole available and see if it gets better. If it does, you may be like me and headed for a transmission rebuild. I went through several masters and slaves, and rode in the wrong hole for 2 years before I had to take the plunge. Just my thoughts. Craig On 08/19/14, Peter Arakelian wrote: 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, went to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let the clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd OK. Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted into 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 14:07:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D4625855EA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:07:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF90525855E1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id la4so8175940vcb.9 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:07:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CjbOBd2FuH3UBcdLHLwtMLYjrqOjVpoqrv+IuRtt8Kg=; b=OzBS1eMOz4PGx7iU18dyjSEzKy1tV/ji56mWnQXhbqzToCO6Qngi7BKyfv0RShqiYc DbMigN0M6bXrY4sm59H4ISfIwFmenQ4BBW7e2VS5p7QUDQ+fiL2Hrujbtins9uGkN65X /aQ5B6tq6Fj2UUN2dRpxm7hkm2MXWnkHAd67MT4I4VyPBlAXYDTxzLkhb3Skf7C7BWQM mCcWL6XjKL2B0LGnoVWAYP/R9k4EFnZ5+hDAE8jG/lk6vM5wSlitz3QbPDMFDvios0kq CeSbaUdeR4c76e/61BJnvNk/KfIZFEvLVSZ51idM4Rb00jDeDjK0aAskdRnrITvkGXLa reew== cw6mr1590496vcb.71.1408478861675; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:07:41 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Peter Arakelian Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter - As a starting point, a bleed of the clutch hydraulics might be in order. If there is a bit of air in there repeated pumping can compress it enough that the system will work for awhile. Could be other things, but a bleed takes only minutes. Geo On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from > lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, > went > to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let > the > clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd > OK. > Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted > into > 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. > Drove > home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter > Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 16:27:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E6325855A1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECD0258459B for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [173.88.242.216] ([173.88.242.216:52858] helo=VlackTK121647) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 21/73-18886-46FC3F35; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:27:48 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Peter Arakelian" , References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:27:54 -0400 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:117 a=Za5Z2h6Gp24lUAOq2dOr4Q==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=qI0Bl1KZo2EA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=9_u7JNot0B65tILCv_sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Broken clevis pin would be a place to look. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:50 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, went to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let the clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd OK. Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted into 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 18:02:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2516425845CB for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150E62580A36 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:02:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id s18so6614707lam.0 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=wJPcrBX38mMhCpFLienFIHGjgKnMrt0zJQJ/JQ7UTgo=; b=YlLiAQj3SJFep4JgbDkrCp/vTDTJW9FkWbg0gyiOFV+cWqD6EWA00dawYnMuHmpuOD ChTgUZ4YW4hFgmOd0s0u7nRlPktYGa2gecWlXfGQQ37llMma/2OP1+RMQ/4cIGkBHvx6 NbR/g/+YbAFGNdDIGieTyRnZDB8kKK016DoIN9VXFSxiGsWT3BTH4YU0FNN4WcA3i+/h qXClOyGGfzhwjL74b4YF80/zI85z2rIXDsCrCY2yBl8cy+gY7Ey8kFl00vMJWLF3D/bs 8/N8eSwarsfrLD8SbyZEQ+w8UISlETA1AisDtyGEDY6zhouapkovcvpMEGUSUvHw7udm koag== w15mr6758360lbi.84.1408492966608; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.192.228 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.192.228 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) References: <87B04D8BE91748A18FE610D1C204A4C2@VlackTK121647> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:02:46 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 on the broken fork pin. I have seen several and the reduce effective travel dramatically. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 19:28:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D6F25845EC for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCE425807DF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.227.60] ([70.121.227.60:49589] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 58/B0-21000-BB9F3F35; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 01:28:27 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "list Triumph" References: <87B04D8BE91748A18FE610D1C204A4C2@VlackTK121647> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:28:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with the others, would be odd if the tranny wouldn't go into all four gears suddenly, then would again because of something internal, plus the external issues are easier to check (although you would have to pull the tranny to address the clutch fork pin, and I think the external issues are also more likely. If it happens again check reverse (carefully) if it starts to crunch your clutch is not disengaging, pointing to back to hydraulics or the dreaded clutch fork pin. Greg Lemon TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 19:35:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF5B25845C4 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:35:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S7.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s7.hotmail.com [65.55.34.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D40325807DF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS12 ([65.55.34.9]) by COL004-OMC1S7.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:36:08 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:36:07 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:36:07 -0700 FILETIME=[1D82E120:01CFBC17] Subject: [TR] tr6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gotten several responses centering around the clutch not releasing - bleed the cylinders, change holes. The clutch works. I can press the pedal down with car in first, or any gear, foot off the brake and it will not move. driving down the road, I can press pedal and revs go up well before end of travel. The clutch is disengaging the trans from motor. Any other thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 19:58:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD77025845D6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:58:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EFC258078C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:61224] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 60/9C-21000-8E004F35; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 01:59:05 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Peter Arakelian'" , References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:59:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+75uU+4UlkLGq7S1OmPTxzOT3kiwAM023A Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like it's time to call Herman Van Den Aker :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter > Arakelian > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:51 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission > > 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from lunch, > about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, went to put into first, > would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let the clutch out in neutral, > revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd OK. > Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted into 2nd, got > a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove home with no > problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter Arakelian - '71 > TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1@san.rr.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 20:01:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2751A25845EE for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from pop2.greatbasin.net (pop101.greatbasin.net [207.228.42.101]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F2258078C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:01:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ownerPC (rno-pppoe1b-206.gbis.net [207.228.61.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by pop2.greatbasin.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s7K220NL017126; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:02:01 -0700 From: "Skip Gurnee" To: "Peter Arakelian" , "Listers" References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 19:02:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [TR] tr6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Drain the transmission oil through a sieve and examine what comes out besides oil. Stick your finger in the hole to feel what's loose and too big to drip out. Skip Gurnee 64 TR4, 66TR4A -----Original Message----- From: Peter Arakelian Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:36 PM To: Listers Subject: [TR] tr6 transmission Gotten several responses centering around the clutch not releasing - bleed the cylinders, change holes. The clutch works. I can press the pedal down with car in first, or any gear, foot off the brake and it will not move. driving down the road, I can press pedal and revs go up well before end of travel. The clutch is disengaging the trans from motor. Any other thoughts? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 19 23:14:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58CC25845D0 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:14:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6DF2580522 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:14:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gtEe1o0030ldTLk5AtEr1e; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 05:14:51 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by omta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id gtEr1o00B5DXkUJ01tErRr; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 05:14:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 05:14:51 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Peter Arakelian References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: TR6 transmission Thread-Index: 69mKHqooDgHyw23lWsN/MSDcv3rJyQ== s=q20140121; t=1408511691; bh=bE0CntCMS2rUkptspgxRYquR+V70A03/FUx3CwAxJQk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Ziz6p7JOqdB2dcLqvIvHVqxlTmfIXlAS6u0SkRN9qmQ2uF1c5a5LNaWCaXTraJR4t LEAfIPaUfkblB4JiIliUOkxnrngnpsQi2IfrT03DTvXXvB/+PbRdt1+f6Wa9QVSSmP YuuxxrC+OQxEQZTEn8R4BYb4+59CwHCQS8Ny5Ic0Qih2eFNB0AbNtKAiHsiSrW9BzR F7Fp4zqVOK60oucLGCKUdS6r2IFt4GG86B1XTrllBIEbfBA+SJp6xnnfZkN9U/wPMW HF1QtV4pdGUcmPVC6KkRG+73+tiPKsnfSzN79D13OM+uN5mL063hY3t2BCQg8ZadGN 3q/nDEUtEdcSg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Disclaimer: I know nothing...nothing...about transmissions. So of course I want to chime in. Am I correct that each gear on a six has its own individual synchro? If so, would they be apt to all go out at once? I'm wondering about the linkage from the shift lever to the box. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire >The first time I shifted into >2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove >home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 03:01:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548042584F79 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403E258080E for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377632C0159 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:02:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 03:02:28 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It may be that the bronze top hat bushing for second gear came apart. mjb. ps: 6pack list is working again, which I may have mentioned already. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 08:12:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740E12584F90 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:12:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0034D25806D6 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 08:12:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id pn19so7336912lab.10 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OAXuhigMtIuhwSAqigKkYUn/igYR7+um4ypojV8H2+A=; b=BFuPv8LamaKY+xuh3cUnUCbv5d6vnMnpzPvzoTpPEcsXfVkCchnp8YdKtVTSGeCwFW OyEnYX1Gflkzq+xE6IH/nYjYdoD/izi89/k0FNoOsY3MZ5VaUdvtxzpzz/lwrjg4cw4K 1ZJ0xJcTaXC3X+Va5d7/YT2/rY53ylz7aSKn7O9j8weAX9VDqWBun3UpNHkK5lDigdN0 fvsymWBo8NR0tPCLsFzMXOv4pcwaaGtHhOZqGsNWq9ZBIIbhqrlZZULO8z/dJo+KMdN2 lT8/SmNuJAejcFGPqDGTTaXOMYed2ZZzk2h/h+zNcr4tELBN6JSYec/tVjY+l/5fuWP3 reFg== kk4mr29534396lbb.4.1408543959682; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:12:39 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Peter Arakelian Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds to me like the clutch disk is sticking to the flywheel. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday from > lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, went > to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let the > clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd OK. > Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted into > 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. Drove > home with no problems.One time hang up or something serious?Thoughts..Peter > Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 09:19:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3004A2584F9E for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:19:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD19C2584557 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:19:51 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VH5zM6/Y8MfcuYUo2OGkz/eff9SPvIXj5KGGhAMfEbGgNR4+SN64cTd9RcUF/BjH; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:Importance:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.113.63.203] (helo=Shemp) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XK7gd-0003KQ-6D; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:20:31 -0400 From: "Cliff Hansen" To: "Peter Arakelian" References: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 09:20:31 -0600 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Or the input shaft is binding on the pilot bushing. My son has a 98 Ford pickup that had similar behavior, turned out to be a failed pilot bearing. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 8:12 AM To: Peter Arakelian Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Sounds to me like the clutch disk is sticking to the flywheel. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > 1971 TR6 non-overdrive transmission. Driving back to work last Friday > from > lunch, about 1/2-mile out rolled up to a stop sign in neutral. Stopped, > went > to put into first, would not go. would not go into 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Let > the > clutch out in neutral, revved the motor,it went into 1st, shifted to 2nd > OK. > Got back to work. End of the day, drove home. The first time I shifted > into > 2nd, got a slight grind, back to neutral, tried again, went no problem. > Drove > home with no problems.One time hang up or something > serious?Thoughts..Peter > Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 13:22:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC9D2584647 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:22:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm4.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317152580565 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:21:49 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1408562549; bh=kGs591zxauMG5JCUx9bRKeM4CgryMmx7szzmzc7GT6w=; b=ZHmyM/X3ZbdMRavDE1PrJ5GFs1Is1sBa3YGaHFaH8mb68BTu3bg2oegS2WAIUqIlOgJ+amDpmNiBNjajVIZ0FHIYaut19DHmQhfalSAoYFDYKKySpacQ+YaTsMo9oqqkOEM+j9rEy7WRMGUSTUcAe3bL3V4X/ROxJQSPQ5SaB+xDiQofakgWIzix5KJfDDcCE8OtqVJFxscVvm60XCO0oOGiBfyE8x+SyEd8js9E/TrnU4Plunpnx9lc967avLJiPbDlgW9z6lvbZjNmLK3C9U5kpfwHIaYnkkYaApa0B9b70M4h+jVuaoSsh0Wbp3PmvsdPJ+QkGKypOBepMKQ0EA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=att.net; b=IG7RKqDHpgAzu1sn3Tcl5Z+KhCppwn1uODt6dsZxHu29IVb05GFGfg3Ytj3MXgZmvtb+v5b9phQdsQJQHA74EX9jgHV+DLc3Vw89OPW9U/b/oNp6w/C0rQ46jAYbpBfqKp3BW5mkG0GymZc7e3hPpj+60Q6m7hQ1GmrWj1Ny13eVnvStPQvLl11DyVKYSQqnV9bW1swNTXp8kmfROiy2AsdUowryUPzKGCR+jNb0+EnVe2++49raMON1MtsI7RTYwA4fHSy94cr/bwth7x7m8hmrEJXyiuLwBRr7cAkdONL6till8X5a6x6ep7dGQbxVqcOwE9N3LC3apHyVdot2bw==; Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2014 19:22:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.50] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2014 19:22:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2014 19:22:28 -0000 s=s1024; t=1408562548; bh=kGs591zxauMG5JCUx9bRKeM4CgryMmx7szzmzc7GT6w=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GPPspip/wq47SuYwPyhySZ5drcsWJKHdYcX4b4VdFGPuwUse6AAHMGdZYXcCtAH+2AhzRJnY289oI/wObQmmvi+lvVrBnVI8SSnXV0hprrm0W+wYaOCMThsHbohxTYSTvWMLQj7v7B/eMFmAbzBuIpLRQIQjsVGP7gLPlxg3VHU= mXZf3JuyQg2MqoC.QYx51romyUxwmwqk6ovQDDAuk0FIAIvlQmsWKQG.MqQo jIF72tI5to3ZI8snkk2Kl6_BdLBZhp0mzZpfdI.TT1AriNux021scXQGptXq 8cL2dwWvucnKNcrGHGdjCfLx.ZDS1bYpky.oPTvpQ_xZZ8VEBPKZTb6KHXOZ ZB5KIYM2YeMmDXvVrTWFcEM7pZVwLT0MQm31MZjNZ_ujyJiMZeMJsgrxSs1K eiFZw3ei1pch1_HUvJWtdgk0aeo_MBWC0_KqU20t4wyMI8xmmR_AwMxiHnHK ARIAUB_qx_mxD6JVBS7uOK4z1OlZWo1xDNVYU0P3Rd_gD.7.P6pLazkxogGd TiO8bHrvsqfT6UjauOjKiQOIk0ItkzK_Vpo8oYsdGvPGCtKiy78HXRGzcjJk k1ULrMdqK6oaLix3GjoI8t8z6jMNl1206ci0cqidS07K0NxuZuFIUaYOngDh tLQAT86eBFkMXA0TKnRCQLZ20jXwQbxQEJu5v1ds- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 12:22:24 -0700 From: "hdrider570@att.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The next time that it happens turn off the engine with the pedal still depressed and see if it will go into gear then. That should tell you whether it is a clutch or transmission issue. My Stag does this now and then and my opinion is it is an oil soaked clutch plate. The rear main is damaged. Every now and then particularlywhen the motor is cold it will exhibit similar behavior. It will go into 4th with a bit of effort and then once you get it rolling at all it is easy enough to get into first gear. It's just the oil holding the plate to the flywheel. I would tend to think that if it was a broken pivot pin you would have the problem all the time rather than intermittently. The same for low fluid or defective hydraulics. Of interest I have seen a worn master that when the pedal was moved quickly would pull air into the system through the worn seals. Made it almost impossible to bleed. Did the clutch pedal feel any different when it happened? Edward Hamer PetalumaCA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 20 14:02:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25762580774 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228A32580565 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id h8041o00i4oFfFQ01805nG; Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:00:05 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <53F4F570.6000603@att.net> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 15:00:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will interject a small comment here. my daughter's 350Z occasionally (as in once or twice every couple of hours of driving) would simply refuse to go into gear. work with it a minute or two, and then it would work just fine. also, very intermittantly, the clutch pedal would not come back up. she researched it, and found it was likely in the hydraulics. we took it to a mechanic, and he also said it sounded like an issue with the master clutch cylinder. he of course could not get it to misbehave. I had him replace the slave at the same time, and the problem has gone away. maybe that's just a nissan, or maybe its relevant, I don't know. -----Original Message----- From: hdrider570@att.net Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 2:22 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission The next time that it happens turn off the engine with the pedal still depressed and see if it will go into gear then. That should tell you whether it is a clutch or transmission issue. My Stag does this now and then and my opinion is it is an oil soaked clutch plate. The rear main is damaged. Every now and then particularlywhen the motor is cold it will exhibit similar behavior. It will go into 4th with a bit of effort and then once you get it rolling at all it is easy enough to get into first gear. It's just the oil holding the plate to the flywheel. I would tend to think that if it was a broken pivot pin you would have the problem all the time rather than intermittently. The same for low fluid or defective hydraulics. Of interest I have seen a worn master that when the pedal was moved quickly would pull air into the system through the worn seals. Made it almost impossible to bleed. Did the clutch pedal feel any different when it happened? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 21 12:12:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0343E25857BE for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:12:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.dataresolution.net (mail.dataresolution.net [209.132.198.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C65025846B3 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 12:12:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([10.10.21.33]) by mail.dataresolution.net with ESMTP id LgPXhl4ocDe2MbhH for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) by DR-EX-00.datacenter.dataresolution.net ([::1]) with mapi; Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:12:54 -0700 From: Pete Arakelian To: "'triumphs@autox.team.net'" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 11:12:53 -0700 Thread-Topic: TR6 transmission Thread-Index: Ac+9avW+WVxI+TvtRPiXtIMuIP/uaw== Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Subject: [TR] TR6 transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Want to thank all for suggestions, comments. The problem is not clutch related. The pedal has not changed in feel or travel, the trans can be heard to slow to a stop when in neutral and the clutch is depressed. I spoke with John at Quantum Mechanics in CT, they do a lot of British trannies including TR6. His thoughts were the problem was in the top cover. Perhaps the fork or detent got hung up when I shifted out of 2nd to neutral when rolling up to the stop. When I revved in neutral, it was enough to realign or jog the hanging bit. All was well driving home last Friday. We'll see how it is tomorrow when I drive in to work. Peter ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 07:46:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808E25809A9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:46:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD6A2580094 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:45:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id p10so16112153pdj.36 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PuVQwe6lQbnToPKOnFZGOjGanW4U9ZSCGCNhEGqZYzQ=; b=tgqglvoQbOnR/0tBDYKN8GSrh6fJUDz318g5H4bZlmNBRzQMU488BqgGfEIbdAVJ1T 6eHy17fQt25GawX3UpPj43qyRDdrV3+vhF9yj1lgiPb8oshnhYql+p+zFi35MG0dO17k oKRKyCUkF39UYvkHOOXeDVsZ2spVRuEQpTvnrZjIgOTPlxDlsTp3vc9cPlogwWr7twJr ArQchbH5vXUtodIkiU4eokaaGtqkcB7HbfljXditfu744h880q87GhX+AtFXftVXpsqZ aNzyb7zTZZmG7NN8ymolEDKK0OmWgNSOBEtn73tDxLvKJaKauJNVULUKDcJj7xbsd9fO nKOg== de4mr6665053pbb.18.1408715184547; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:46:24 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose over it. I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen method since it would be a quick and dirty test. Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love to hear about it. Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 07:48:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E212325809B4 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CF5258069C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:48:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y10so16124616pdj.21 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oTqDl3OXnuhg7+w9+YSXk0OLSAFIih1SCrBfWJ+zRs8=; b=P+BVumE4ke+rVKluwTbvcIG78UYQ2Ff2S2OWItsuqOZrl0pwVztrUv8jbiEbBX93HR e43yQAvI2ezphVoxY1RpAP+xFsurx5jQT2ciwCmHrE2FM6HbsNH3WHvGeJC11EkQ3xh/ uTmy+HxGWDako+I/CI89YB1NHtns83Z2ypjE1FOtnhlN+nzYglbRZFK/QnkGoAeZxYaP r9A/muPzT/xj/ll+z4h2LikeUD94DcZMmCwrXkZfbXMYlvmcbegEiHDi8+9qvUx9ogFr LFDX+2k9hjO510J7Tp+f34wuIk+QrBHaD3vobZjjwWDNyWIz2oFxa7PLR8yujLo0YesH wR5g== i16mr6804631pbq.48.1408715333245; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:48:53 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually supposed to be installed? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 07:53:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF262580A2D for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:53:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDD82580983 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:53:04 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iTkrhOSd8t9LQKvaCNOjdN9mNEwDfNGOmn60FwnoOKgA8hk9S87lxB3hUx418c2a; h=Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.61.22] (helo=wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XKpHl-0002yy-6T; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:53:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: cliff_hansen@earthlink.net To: bkahler1@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sent. Passengers side on battery hold down. Cliff ---- Original Message ---- From: "Brad Kahler" Date: 08/22/14 9:48 AM To: "Triumphs" Cc: Sub: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually supposed to be installed? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ---- End Original Message ---- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 08:02:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F992584656 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900182580998 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:00:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id w10so16018268pde.32 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hxvcZJVlANpol9kBiNC3F4cq2FP/F0W1YWO65gLAzbQ=; b=F9/cUs++KBQCuALo7v09daFSO5vDoB6jqwyux/Kp9B+D8+Qs9KpLjr1n4yxKDWyaH2 T7bfFhcKzK8p/SnsSCSB8eDAiH6WnOs0aheUohHUipUUMBuYI9Kv6oXDHxWT6p5lnbbt ijObOoCBWOfZ66V/Y0C/QNgtjiXVFsf5VZ2BaeL/X70UMBmKnLDysKIOErD/c8PwmZYW 4QwrdBK3JLkFOhgNHgwC9DuqBlYqOQIEY9rje/rKXGsqXp/yPfgcBZdBFxMvGpM9ZDRR f0TGdkGTNAhNIWBeB44oH0oxGlmyTf2A/qxq3K6zwldyeG2K47KxeGJOox0SK2khSNDv FXhw== wa12mr5944813pac.99.1408716065706; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:01:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <1993387505.48384.1408715625081.JavaMail.portal@wapmail-coots.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:01:05 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: cliff_hansen@earthlink.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow! three responses in five minutes, two with pictures! I believe I have enough information to work with now. Thanks!!! Brad On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, wrote: > Sent. Passengers side on battery hold down. Cliff > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Brad Kahler" > Reply-To: "Brad Kahler" > Date: 08/22/14 9:48 AM > To: "Triumphs" > Cc: > Sub: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 > My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on > the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has > one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. > > Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually > supposed to be installed? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen@earthlink.net > > ---- End Original Message ---- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 08:19:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBE52580B05 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:19:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0098A2580998 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id hqKm1o0051qFPpX01qKmE3; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 07:19:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:19:40 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's all about crankcase ventilation. If you have excess discharge issues, then you likely have other issues. Worn rings, worn rocker bushing, overfilled sump, aux. top end oiler kit.. In other words, I find it hard to believe it's the design of the cover outlet.. Dave On 8/22/2014 7:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve > cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over > the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to > increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with > several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. > > One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses > some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still > another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place > with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a > screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose over > it. > > I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not > keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen > method since it would be a quick and dirty test. > > Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love > to hear about it. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 09:16:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0EE25846E5 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EE525804F1 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:14:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id ik5so12509156vcb.34 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:15:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=y5GqynWlq1NRFSBe6mgb8lfv04UCsWjDTPwU35358k8=; b=bdAeQVbVIZRJ1r3n3S+0ls8vnid2yb665WeFOV/X8CS02nWFUjYzVAE3INNKHnEijT xas/b5VnN2cn60ptcQEM8nn2NU/iVMwEq2/kCxivC8Gw6Wj9VdPSVzgFPspfDdLYoA24 7V18IPRJKIlDJwBqFxuWtoWTswVDpADM2TkbMqzwIwzOlNqD3XjIav5TiBReevL78KF3 xy91rKomnv7ZtWXZ9m41sFrngS+jtqR9S36Qe8RtTlrPDSKSbHHGf86K+2bWI2BIQm/i YRvuDg87262hkgTCw7h+zUsfDN74HlzfuMBW5j4avBJh/Yy7/3PVGWgZkqGGFpc4Haxf 1INA== xg10mr3594336vdb.1.1408720509372; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:15:09 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:15:09 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It is my understanding that originally the TR4 solenoid was mounted about where you describe and then (at some point) was moved up out of there because of possible effects of heat. here's a pic of the solenoid in that spot: http://goo.gl/Su3udD I have experienced no problems with having it in that location. I do not know the change point offhand. Geo On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:48 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on > the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has > one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. > > Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually > supposed to be installed? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 09:20:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FDA2584703 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D722580A19 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.223.207]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id BAA91702C3B46; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha08c.mail.aol.com (core-mha08.mail.aol.com [172.27.110.8]) by mtaomg-mcd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id A656938000083; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:21:28 -0400 (EDT) References: To: bkahler1@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 74.209.25.204 by webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.229) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:21:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:21:28 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408720889; bh=a0hwTzE43lD/8quG6k66WR/4S8uDPgmgnw/9u0n7YXA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1Nq3kRHI762VsEO8nPd9UXctIx1eG+z7PYKmFYBl3QQfj0nMaU97/tSS0hsJSLCXm wHHPE5Rufwod/MMLd+TCxTRu5rMqI4iqLOSq03pgFtUMqTF7qTNFDjtrJ6ds2xsMYU 2zeqqp4TBpJqrxuWU4SIt21mYEIP3+COZfndwM/8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adfcf53f75ff837c4 Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There was a Service Bulletin on this topic, T-64-32, a copy of which may be found at It involved moving the solenoid to the right to avoid possible seepage from the rear carburetor. This may or may not be relevant to your particular car? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:24 am Subject: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually supposed to be installed? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 09:21:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB7C2584771 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84819258472D for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:21:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id la4so12573304vcb.33 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hEBzKFxsBhvWtpJIkkLP3NZltIY5L9KEuu0gV7gMJr4=; b=jMZpLW8feTbYG4WFGGU69yHvk5DD9/3u3Gue5+lXkeIwPAch2btdclGpW9GPS7MA06 lXOd5XXZRHjM14C0Igdpf8rY6OzPalAbrSSIgrtoZ321h0mAKcieeEKW7nMlsAsmnO4T 1/lrXumkifwNOti6QWuuCTb5XbJldDRaX8IjKEryp5YT0grjDj1ifqxZcpP+yhtEyhLP +0PztXqbAtNEFXruy8Ad9FY8D4PUU4ckt53qTktnANXB9qPQ87HFWKTAr0Au4zrd9zBe tv+PsYW7idbkEMy+tfzTQawpjOKJDTRBrU3EQb5qB8FAYlBuFmxX3tSGmFsxEEP83/5Z P0kg== dj5mr4306796vcb.19.1408720952475; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:22:32 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:22:32 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If your TR4 lacks the crankcase breather tube that may be at the root of your problem. That tube was deleted (and the hole plugged) at some point in TR4 production. About the same time the oil fill cap went from the breather style to a sealed cap. Alas, that little spout and hoses to the air cleaners do not seem up to the task of relieving crankcase pressure - at least that was the case on my engine. As a result, mine was seeping oil out of every crack & pore. I installed an original crankcase breather tube (like a TR3) and that took care of everything (except a minor real seal leak). Geo On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve > cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over > the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to > increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with > several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. > > One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses > some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still > another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place > with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a > screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose over > it. > > I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not > keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen > method since it would be a quick and dirty test. > > Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love > to hear about it. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:08:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF472580B41 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:08:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30359258088B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:07:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id rd3so17006764pab.40 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:08:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KIWCSa4R8PO0YTMgz2geOAUSDAqVSXFLegBBMo7aqxY=; b=IXd98m26WxMwP2zuTKoyOUESRTBk4+XigbjNz49IM0DJ6SEcgbDdmnIGf2Dd2YsC+d 2aH8T7qMU/QAZzejDHs0jFedX8kBvEfL+TU8OKj4gneZGTxZZgy/hwO7BM3AuLknNOyi 2wURBochaw4MwbOPx9lkIQJr5iqMNcpbzCyslSDHqKVzqLEorWAvuDlpgMyGFKUHueiM OWGCae9fZqU0lK8Wchei7UJPBwvo7F/JkeJui93udOAiZleQPjbmchDPOXspUHaEE4DW rp5DY079AHkHvzHYylXlbi9V1QbL0YA/O3bln4vN7ZlFbJ74s4BmwbbtNV0eY+hC6ojC HkfA== nb5mr8044637pdb.18.1408727316970; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:08:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <53F7517C.2020903@porterscustom.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:08:36 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: David Porter Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net None of the issues you mentioned are present. The lack of baffle on the alloy covers is a well documented problem and one that I am experiencing. I'm just looking for the easiest and cleanest method of keeping the oil spray out of the valve cover breather tube. On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:19 AM, David Porter wrote: > It's all about crankcase ventilation. If you have excess discharge issues, > then you likely have other issues. > Worn rings, worn rocker bushing, overfilled sump, aux. top end oiler kit.. > In other words, I find it hard to believe it's the design of the cover > outlet.. > Dave > On 8/22/2014 7:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve >> cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over >> the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to >> increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with >> several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. >> >> One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses >> some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still >> another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place >> with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a >> screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose >> over >> it. >> >> I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not >> keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen >> method since it would be a quick and dirty test. >> >> Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love >> to hear about it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com >> >> >> > -- > Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 > 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:11:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CEC2580B47 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:11:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f46.google.com (mail-pa0-f46.google.com [209.85.220.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99890258088B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id lj1so16775088pab.5 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=sptWRiCxoskxZC2yf3a4cwgQNSOdIFjEaISNydLwlM8=; b=jqkgdiXYMVF6t+OzWDi6Iu1Q96B8R8Xrf6ctD+cBznMinnZ9zfYw8AIFKDaKM3kirV fpCsKZmzSInX5QLgC7YRVX50iO55xu3c/ML/6voz6F92dmLUezmHL0sCVeSO2hfo4bjJ /SUs0VT7kTe5Pg4959q2hgx/Medi684IRNDVmd9NqMJ0AjJhG9b14w6ZUDNhmvInBRRH Rf9nw5fEij5eOII5Vu5ZWRNMZuHD9RXf7G8rpr7KeqO9ntl12GOElkviOXCdfO/kywUy coPklqer3+/yh1gsJb7Tmsz6pigHmZ24HkoMlQwnx8/7gvPbQMnlU1/Lci243P7aWMWf VEzw== ek17mr7965389pac.39.1408727505777; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:11:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:11:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Geo, Not sure when Triumph switched but My TR4 has the road draft tube. I'm fairly certain my problem is just one in which the oil being splashed into the breather tube on the valve cover. Brad On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > If your TR4 lacks the crankcase breather tube that may be at the root of > your problem. > > That tube was deleted (and the hole plugged) at some point in TR4 > production. About the same time the oil fill cap went from the breather > style to a sealed cap. > > Alas, that little spout and hoses to the air cleaners do not seem up to > the task of relieving crankcase pressure - at least that was the case on my > engine. As a result, mine was seeping oil out of every crack & pore. > > I installed an original crankcase breather tube (like a TR3) and that took > care of everything (except a minor real seal leak). > > Geo > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve >> cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over >> the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to >> increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with >> several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. >> >> One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses >> some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still >> another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place >> with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a >> screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose >> over >> it. >> >> I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not >> keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen >> method since it would be a quick and dirty test. >> >> Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love >> to hear about it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:26:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81E1258076C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:26:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BB0258076C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:25:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id y10so16151143pdj.7 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:26:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=zstn9R5FuJaL2OJdDtOanca3HqrKg4Yda8IZ61hIq/Y=; b=e+iiWGob83fRgAM9fAKtnIHzXOY57WH7yoffD04bdEoPKhIdjN7XnhWyNQ/vrsscms 2F6c1xrFwUIFhbJmy6Q69WTyNcDZYJVf7Z+7I30nK/f9bnimFgUCwNz6Gg32nRa5sys0 vEn4g+EC+8CS1STvk1CTi3C6wYNzi814qhdZkogoXo62xAh1B95EcLhrmb5DYFu3izNT uP+CqS4iasafccMO8HaGI6WZvZmDchg3Sa8DmWe4qmzovsecSoToiNp6DzIQaALxmR9X wdGIbchlgSJ3h/4e+wC+MXqq6mwvK1QVniDdtGlLd81C3zqNEwjHRG1hLe8Mtc7dww8j tREA== d15mr7945626pdj.48.1408728400092; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:26:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D18C33E08B28CB-63CC-14F9E@webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 13:26:39 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: "Andrew S. Mace" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, I'm betting you remembered exactly where to find that service bulletin :) It is relevant to my car but for the moment I'll leave it in the original location. I never realized that mine had a round golf cart style of solenoid which also had a different spacing than the lucas solenoid. On top of that some po used a sheet metal screw in the top hole and the solenoid was covering the bottom hole. I have a used lucas solenoid that I am going to try and I was also successful in retapping the original mounting holes. Now I just hope that old solenoid is still good! I find it interesting that Triumph didn't want to pay the service shop anything extra to move the solenoid 4" to the right. I wonder if that logic would work with current factory service shops. Thanks! Brad On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote: > There was a Service Bulletin on this topic, T-64-32, a copy of which may > be found at > > > > It involved moving the solenoid to the right to avoid possible seepage > from the rear carburetor. This may or may not be relevant to your > particular car? > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler > To: Triumphs > Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:24 am > Subject: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 > > My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) mounted on > the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only has > one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. > > Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is actually > supposed to be installed? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:46:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE6F25844C8 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:46:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8557B2580B3C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id la4so12694185vcb.37 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=D7ArhlbqS+s2gVXUSi/EMCD5HtI29c3FkKpbps22jY4=; b=YI7Rknn7g77crMc5F/8Y1bZTNaoxD3bH/gev20hP2EtBmFMbNf0RdJYmpcDazPyspm B3lxYjEv4D6XRkueOt2NkJBx8WZ67WZRnwK37bdjZDNEGYOGY2lXrqb5jTtnQDYjZiTw GtFpgeLwbdWl0OC8heVdkc0SVbQSWqtY7uEVeVWBNfWPSK9Tfy6ZPURbdEexvCnsCvvR g2MdbBZtbxTArwm/wiXoxtr5VFLeDMVgO1sNt4L+Crp+iLNGO6VI4VQx/D2x8RAoYrwA STTOI3+aDXeyYu8jO6sKGX701dFwMrcsx9wTI8HIWNx28DzpQwjT1piU7n4VdwFcUwRw G/LA== ay16mr1023958vdb.43.1408729433382; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:43:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D18C33E08B28CB-63CC-14F9E@webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 10:43:53 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Whatever you end up doing, bear in mind that the solenoid needs to be grounded by its mounting. If the body/bracket is not getting a good ground it will not operate. Geo On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Andy, > > I'm betting you remembered exactly where to find that service bulletin :) > > It is relevant to my car but for the moment I'll leave it in the original > location. I never realized that mine had a round golf cart style of > solenoid which also had a different spacing than the lucas solenoid. On top > of that some po used a sheet metal screw in the top hole and the solenoid > was covering the bottom hole. I have a used lucas solenoid that I am going > to try and I was also successful in retapping the original mounting holes. > Now I just hope that old solenoid is still good! > > I find it interesting that Triumph didn't want to pay the service shop > anything extra to move the solenoid 4" to the right. I wonder if that > logic would work with current factory service shops. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Andrew S. Mace > wrote: > > > There was a Service Bulletin on this topic, T-64-32, a copy of which may > > be found at > > > > > > > > It involved moving the solenoid to the right to avoid possible seepage > > from the rear carburetor. This may or may not be relevant to your > > particular car? > > > > --Andy Mace > > > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > > Herald engine with wings. > > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > > Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Kahler > > To: Triumphs > > Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:24 am > > Subject: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 > > > > My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) > mounted on > > the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only > has > > one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. > > > > Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is > actually > > supposed to be installed? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Brad > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:47:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A535D25857DE for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920B22580B3C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:45:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id hpyP1o0030xGWP85DtmEus; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:46:14 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:d:1c00:16c9:8c9f:7a11:6dd:d516] ([IPv6:2601:d:1c00:16c9:8c9f:7a11:6dd:d516]) by omta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id htmE1o0040xH5gl3YtmEeX; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:46:14 +0000 From: "Michael Marr" To: "isoa@googlegroups.com" , Triumphs Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:46:14 +0000 User-Agent: eM_Client/6.0.20617.0 s=q20140121; t=1408729574; bh=Yzs+RNxKujj98no768amxW3eoeEHHARbAhArsElCKug=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-Id:Reply-To: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Qw7wzWef8oJxxDAjbkGbvZ7PdAl0J1eK26sCVlj7wc1xCDhEtmd7hIQ67pY/xDMTS 84A+OJjnypdDuEsbnl2heOmFOvXJRcfuYvmw3XxKcguAiihVEkUXENO44DxkVyjYHS WkNkcQnDAwvhtf8h4fcclBhb9OQ3VrWp3zCTe4u2UFCYuVmdM9oZqY2CtkwlV2nGZn QOxln5GYeWefSQDJj+s2Gv5zx+cWJNmV0vWsct9nccljrewtMK31zV+wNY4osBQkCV le1ZCBNmFBszkv/T9NacTGjPU3GYn2pKZUO+jfDC+Q4YUy3J0Q7Rd+NbH0BhTEABGW PfENtlPX4K7yg== Subject: [TR] TR3A Project for sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks: After much careful rumination (no, that is not Carry Nation's alcoholic brother), I have decided that I will probably never finish the restoration of my TR3A project and I am, therefore, offering the whole shebang for sale. It consists of: 1) The car - complete but in the very early stages of disassembly. However, by simply putting the wheels back on it can be rolled onto a trailer. It is a post 60000 car and needs new floors on both sides, new fender patch panels and some repair work to the vertical front panels of the rear seat/parcel shelf. Of course it will need new paint. The frame appears to be solid and I rebuilt the front suspension and installed new rear shocks many years (but only few thousand miles) ago. 2) The following additional parts: a) a new set of 2.2 liter liners and pistons b) a reground crankshaft with crank and rod bearings c) a replacement camshaft of unknown lift or duration. I was told that it might be a "mild street" cam d) a lightened flywheel, sold to me by Joe Alexander e) a 4 into 2 into 1 exhaust manifold f) A solid hood (post 60000) g) a solid front apron, also post 60000 h) An overdrive gearbox, supposedly in working condition, although I have never installed it so I cannot say i) Two extra sets of wire wheels (used). These are both 60 spoke, while the wheels on the car are the original 48 spoke j) a few other odds and ends I think the whole package is worth maybe $5,000 to $6,000 and would be willing to consider offers in that range. I believe the additional parts are probably worth half of that amount, alone. I have no interest in selling parts of the package - it is all or nothing. The car is in Plainfield, IL, and if you are interested in looking at it, please contact me directly at michaelmarr5258@comcast.net Mike ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 11:53:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4205825857E8 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:53:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E28A2580BB7 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 4926 invoked by uid 0); 22 Aug 2014 17:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2014 17:53:53 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw2 with id http1o0061NzpT901tts8x; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:53:52 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=MdjL9cmjazQA:10 a=FWhIubrVvYQA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=GY7CHnt3bTrJ7YrSr5QA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=52256 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XKt25-0002s8-Te; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:53:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:53:43 -0500 To: Brad Kahler ,Triumphs From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I can't comment on which solution is the best from any personal experience, but I'd be inclined to epoxy something to the inside of the cover instead of riveting it mainly for cosmetic reasons (no holes to drill in the cover). I'd think about likely paths for oil to be slung and look to block those with the baffle. Tony Drews At 08:46 AM 8/22/2014, Brad Kahler wrote: >When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve >cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over >the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to >increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with >several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. > >One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses >some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still >another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place >with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a >screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose over >it. > >I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not >keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen >method since it would be a quick and dirty test. > >Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love >to hear about it. > >Thanks, > >Brad > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 12:32:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309A62585851 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CA42580A68 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 12:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id z11so9839370lbi.31 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:31:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=unlb3el8nZiQY/TJiXVsSwozx1gwbGpudAL4gYZV1QQ=; b=y3DmGoRaruBly43SxMfffSfZ1N6j7wZtAVmuAh1V6YyHHcR1zkfI8cf6UOdcfLBspC C3NucmrS+CVMwnBkiF85A83sKZXz0Niqr+ZD3KmljoGOXulcged9wWoyVOSIsh3qc4IJ qK4ocMjgFuVqaX6Axh9/gBYp6+gPmAuYEzMECpZLOBX7nkZfhUKQrR1ICqPDyYZwINvG PrwzUSxevraZe8xPnnkefJTRU/uODz+FU5jroiodylExFP05wRcfJR4f9nLKJjiJYgMb fzC1zRjb6U39fljUvdZlLc/j+zdi3qlm26sGlfCcuZfZ91VQmgHxF6lY23YhDZLEC9HY s6fQ== xq8mr5933599lbb.18.1408732282079; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.198.193 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:31:21 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 14:31:21 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love > to hear about it. I don't have any experience, but I'm thinking a properly shaped piece of fairly springy metal could be wedged in right under the hole. If you wanted to get fancy, you could slightly notch the inside of the cover to provide a sort of ledge or niche that the edges of the metal could spring into for added security. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 15:04:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0752585860 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B28725846C9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 15:04:18 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=MdjL9cmjazQA:10 a=FWhIubrVvYQA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=bGzJn0BUk2N-isTBewcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rBLxpS859yQA:10 a=lwYxXtkig18A:10 a=_fYPc8SYXzIA:10 a=ITTA8xvqnVKqAGaO7Ev1Qg==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.1] ([10.35.79.1:29649] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id D3/93-31512-B70B7F35; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:04:59 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=MdjL9cmjazQA:10 a=FWhIubrVvYQA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=bGzJn0BUk2N-isTBewcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=rBLxpS859yQA:10 a=lwYxXtkig18A:10 a=_fYPc8SYXzIA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50251] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id AB/A7-31188-B70B7F35; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:04:59 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: References: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:09:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Another alternative would be to install a catch tank between the valve cover tube and the PCV valve? The new MOSS catalog has one for about $130.00. Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 16:40:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7625846C9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF7425844C8 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:32421] helo=cdptpa-web04) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 0A/D4-19740-0E6C7F35; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:40:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:40:32 +0000 From: Randall To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:40:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] new overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- dave n wrote: > just landed here. its got three switches on top; Ibm not sure which is > which. I think I know which is the overdrive switch, and then one is the > backup, and the other is a cutout that keeps it from engaging in first and > reverse? A-type OD uses two lockout switches. Although they are called "lockout", in fact they enable the OD when they are closed. One switch closes when in 3rd or 4th gear, the other switch closes in 2nd gear. Making OD available in 2nd, 3rd and 4th. The switch nearest the left side is the backup light switch. The one nearest the right side is the 2nd gear OD switch. The one in the middle is for 3rd & 4th. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 18:33:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E492584A20 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5995025804C0 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id m1so9163807oag.19 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:32:23 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=+5dzeGcvQRUeceV1oveKEz/0yRrLGGyC46Vizqxucz0=; b=Zsjn5EX4+mY37CWq/hCvytWdnmLBJGlZJQZbaWcLeYBIs0HMhPOTjKL8nTw0nnUq6Z yiBLD4GtaQMQBEzF7ro8SnGNEW8thwbVI9qIgMxYkmWc5HRsGG+vj98PX/7u/pjQNZ2d r+9gqVqrX/jd+rG/sloD5XYkoK+UoS+yARxmn7/v43A99I0jiWYx14kGBFwSNOIrGJpZ E1xi48HDqo6L9nHMlDTIvVfz6k6QG+QWY3b6lJ+KqFox05i/mxILdDJRaNaWlvLuNVtc DeHS1Wg78UBck0gRL0aoXh9/YY4ojKHsqlHn2j0u9+z8Ms5wrNloJHSOc+v95Exlc9+L TjNg== px9mr7785499oec.67.1408753943876; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lk2sm33429643obc.15.2014.08.22.17.32.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:32:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:32:33 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac++absbwHyBVVdUQMCKpqR1WNX3nQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Spin on Oil Filter Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: The old original motor (80k miles and tired) is back in the TR6 and purring like a kitten. I am amazed after 11 years in a box with regular oil squirts and turning the crank that the motor started up. Ok, there is a bit of smoke but better smoke out the exhaust than engine bits. My starting issue was due to a bad starter relay. Forgot that I had Dan Masters book and it was a great help in diagnosing a non-functioning starter. It has been a joy (I think) of re-learning how to identify top dead center on the compression stroke and getting the firing order correct with the plug wires and dizzy. After 11 years there was no gap when I checked the valve clearance, so rest all of those. Here is my question. I have a spin on oil filter unit and put in a new rubber seal before mounting to block. I am getting a pretty good leak between the block and adapter seal. I tightened a bit more but still leaking. Is there a trick to getting this unit to not leak. I had it on my previous motor without a leak. Do I need some sealant? One step closer to getting the car to VTR! Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 62 TR4 x2 75 TR6 68 Land Rover 88 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 22 19:00:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ABE2584A09 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:00:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EB8258080F for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 18:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NAQ00HQOISX6K90@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Aug 2014 20:00:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:00:29 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Dave Connitt , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <9B1ACBD62FCB44C9834C0B59DA5BC68B@DaveLaptop> Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net and the rice rocket catalog and Ebay in the 30-40 range. ptegler On 8/22/2014 5:09 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Another alternative would be to install a catch tank between the valve > cover tube and the PCV valve? The new MOSS catalog has one for about > $130.00. > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 07:46:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0EE258457D for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:46:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96DD2580876 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:46:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a141so8608018oig.9 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=4PaNoSXE0xdIfr16lGEWVJ7UsFVYspGVU40PrEbHsUE=; b=wpFKHUfeiGiykj8S3hw8rCQGPt9Jc6nazF+GRDfBqQnpOtqhRKeAeYD9oUopDsWSYM mWIk2ZTvbmlDe+vGDThMFO8tdpGlPySsCGyDOOXL8G9AS51CfypCIOK7n2isp2uK5yNs zJ6qcYvjiwbhs31Lns/13vnDveN2o//39l9uIxKbx2F4v/8blE6pdy0g+RgbQSFdeJsf MSYGu2WPKi7kqDOI1GAHHKFH6cXBbrUIYriYFydWr6Z44Bmof+FWUc9Ub2ZPYrJ7m6Zn jeZ6guzp7jh7YZofWIlX6UaDuhLtpqkfAhhUw5UiO7581JJq7JaLbv8bXTvJq2sLegOx aNgw== Sat, 23 Aug 2014 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wi4sm35228283obc.14.2014.08.23.06.47.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 23 Aug 2014 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <201408230318592.SM1125270@MAIL2> From: Jim Henningsen Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:47:22 -0400 To: Mike Porter Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Spin on Oil Filter Leak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mike and others. Thanks for the replies. I am going to drain the oil today and recheck and test as described. I did remove old seal from block. Jim Henningsen Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2014, at 5:18 AM, "Mike Porter" wrote: > > > > > Here is my question. I have a spin on oil filter unit and put in a new > rubber seal before mounting to block. I am getting a pretty good leak > between the block and adapter seal. I tightened a bit more but still > leaking. Is there a trick to getting this unit to not leak. I had it on my > previous motor without a leak. Do I need some sealant? > > >> The adapters are made uniformly, but the block lands were not. The depth of the land was not critical to get the original filter canister to seal, so the factory was not all that concerned about machining the land depth the same from block to block. So, there are actually two points on the adapter that need to seal properly--the inside land (on which a small-diameter thick-section o-ring rides), and the outer land in which the large diameter square o-ring is fitted. The inner o-ring prevents oil from recirculating through the bypass orifice. If that leaks, the oil doesn't go through the filter. The outer square o-ring prevents oil escaping to the outside of the block. > > If the inner land on the adapter stands too tall, the outer ring on the adapter won't put enough pressure on the square o-ring to get a seal, and further tightening of the center bolt can split the inner o-ring, or distort it to the point that it leaks, too (although that leakage is not visible). The only right way to stop the leakage is to match the adapter to the block. If the outer ring is too tall for the block, the inner o-ring does not seal. If the inner land on the adapter to is too tall, the inner o-ring seals, but the outer one does not. Typically, the instructions for most adapters recommend fitting the outer square o-ring, putting some modeling clay where the inner o-ring sits on the adapter and then trial-fitting the adapter with the center bolt fairly snug. If there's little or no clay left on the inner land (has been squeezed out or squeezed very thin), the inner land is too tall and must be machined down a bit, then another trial fitting to make sure there's adequate compression of the outer seal and enough room for the inner o-ring to be compressed adequately, but not so much that it's damaged. > > Sounds tedious, but it's really only an extra half-hour or so with the right tools. It's not the fault of the adapter manufacturer. Given the way the blocks were machined, there would have to be an infinite number of adapters to fit all the variations, which isn't practical. Sometimes, if the outer land on the block is really deep, one can get away with using two square o-rings, but my experience is that such an arrangement never quite seals completely. Best to just bite the bullet and match the adapter to the block and be done with it. > > > Cheers. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 10:14:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B490258457C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:14:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B0D258080C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id et14so18099603pad.7 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ziFg6AX+thYqXJ1pgsPDXewkHSN8xJ4Nc7FKn41f4YM=; b=tu63LrbWfiRC3GBXWalZ+nGoPeSJGi7fLPGEtxpsejQTmIKJyRWVAqiJgREF2+WJCD kEHyRDdLgEaLh9C1QwzyN4hnQKw9K4jmgmE/dQwev8kxZq80IDt8TDy45v2rg+rKV5V+ i1Oy9oH4oFk6d902JLlbt43C3EjHnh1bv2G/24retVtdPUmYAfTZsza4eH9cB6/CBMut gbqNEYsIUaywx3ehnWxHzLkDy8aAMtLAjua6GW2/71Jhljyf1wDGpLnDqM9rfPRUNHZE InroxuuE0FVAgzUTxGUVZfx5LO9JvxQ0H2w5pZMshbNWFddLg8x5+JAeteI9r/8jSxTi vE1g== w3mr14539473pdj.107.1408810508926; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:15:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D18C33E08B28CB-63CC-14F9E@webmail-m248.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:15:08 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I must have gotten a good ground as the new (old!) solenoid works like a charm. Thanks! Brad On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Whatever you end up doing, bear in mind that the solenoid needs to be > grounded by its mounting. If the body/bracket is not getting a good ground > it will not operate. > > Geo > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> Andy, >> >> I'm betting you remembered exactly where to find that service bulletin :) >> >> It is relevant to my car but for the moment I'll leave it in the original >> location. I never realized that mine had a round golf cart style of >> solenoid which also had a different spacing than the lucas solenoid. On >> top >> of that some po used a sheet metal screw in the top hole and the solenoid >> was covering the bottom hole. I have a used lucas solenoid that I am going >> to try and I was also successful in retapping the original mounting holes. >> Now I just hope that old solenoid is still good! >> >> I find it interesting that Triumph didn't want to pay the service shop >> anything extra to move the solenoid 4" to the right. I wonder if that >> logic would work with current factory service shops. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Andrew S. Mace >> wrote: >> >> > There was a Service Bulletin on this topic, T-64-32, a copy of which >> may >> > be found at >> > >> > >> > >> > It involved moving the solenoid to the right to avoid possible seepage >> > from the rear carburetor. This may or may not be relevant to your >> > particular car? >> > >> > --Andy Mace >> > >> > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? >> > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, >> Triumph >> > Herald engine with wings. >> > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) >> > >> > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph >> > Register: http://www.vtr.org >> > >> > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph >> > Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Brad Kahler >> > To: Triumphs >> > Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 10:24 am >> > Subject: [TR] Starter solenoid mounting location on a TR4 >> > >> > My 63 TR4 came with the starter solenoid (round with pushbutton) >> mounted on >> > the front of the firewall near the rear carburetor. It currently only >> has >> > one screw holding it in place and it just seems like an odd location. >> > >> > Could someone possibly send me a picture of where the solenoid is >> actually >> > supposed to be installed? >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Brad >> > >> > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 23 10:22:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B2B25845A1 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C752580960 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:19:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id hz1so18208360pad.22 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GeJK43k2M9WTlqmkCL6aHzwQeqgydkfq6KBAyq3Fim4=; b=J7XR5auWDJyMGhVZkiy37YRhGWaQr1sasA/1wpKmbEV51Ej0Rl6tAGxQENjrSapZkk Jp4+7DKRgJj4afxiemNqm2LWsM/gOhw1bv923Oy3kkc1ZboxSrwJecelGsyn9Aweblc5 V3g3u1zQ57wQP/ewFarhCq6F7Tua/SU4p+hssghHChzsLX1tlVYy/jFFHkQMJ86B+i7k h4m2TfnvTg3kANQ/YUe177mLsm3hQCjMgwUYQnzmSYEfo1x6Y98CQcmwlO/th2q8t+rr ZieAtF0CI+dHTKLJanMJWWt6H/b0jtv5BzauUZO4Fzg2dum74y5ItpK6vVXGQazwx4zH 81XQ== rp4mr14628732pab.65.1408810822508; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140822175332.9D3B025857E8@autox.team.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 12:20:22 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Tony Drews Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Alloy valve cover oil consumption Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tony & All, Working from a tip from Irv I went out and bought a PCV valve that I was able to add into the line from the valve cover to the carburetor flame arrestor. My TR4 has the mid production emissions setup and my first test drive with the PCV valve installed was good. What I found interesting was my idle RPM dropped from 800 to 600 once I installed the PCV valve. I'd rather not install a catch tank as I would think if everything is working right the oil should now stay in the valve cover instead of getting sucked into the carburetors. Weather permitting I'm going to take a drive this afternoon and then see what things look like. Thanks for all the tips and suggestions! Brad On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > I can't comment on which solution is the best from any personal > experience, but I'd be inclined to epoxy something to the inside of the > cover instead of riveting it mainly for cosmetic reasons (no holes to drill > in the cover). I'd think about likely paths for oil to be slung and look > to block those with the baffle. > > Tony Drews > > At 08:46 AM 8/22/2014, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> When I bought my TR4 back in 2010 it came with a TriuimphTune alloy valve >> cover. While nice looking, the fact that it has no baffle or screen over >> the breather tube going to the carburetors causes oil consumption to >> increase. I've been doing some google searching and have come up with >> several possible solutions on how to create a baffle. >> >> One involves epoxying an aluminum baffle over the opening, another uses >> some wire and a small aluminum plate held in place over the hole. Still >> another was adding a small baffle over the opening by riveting it in place >> with solid aluminum rivets. And finally someone apparently has wrapped a >> screen over the discharge end of the tube and and then pushed the hose >> over >> it. >> >> I'm sort of partial to the aluminum plate and rivet idea although I'm not >> keen on drilling holes in the valve cover. However I might try the screen >> method since it would be a quick and dirty test. >> >> Has anyone tried a different solution to what I've listed? If so I'd love >> to hear about it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@ >> tonydrews.com >> > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 06:34:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC452584518 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 06:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com (blu004-omc2s21.hotmail.com [65.55.111.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3964C2580582 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 06:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS50 ([65.55.111.71]) by BLU004-OMC2S21.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 24 Aug 2014 05:34:54 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Randall'" , Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:35:00 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+/l9C0Wwc6S6iyTxOC8cA3sfD4bw== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[CEA0B800:01CFBF97] Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am restoring a TR4A. Before I put the OD 4-speed transmission back in the car, I thought I would check it out for functionality. I put a 1/2" drill driver on the input shaft and turned it. Engaged each gear and saw different RPM and reverse out the back without any scary noises. So the transmission seems OK. I put 12 volts through the solenoid circuit and saw the solenoid move the arm at the appropriate second, third, and 4 gear positions. But when I spun the input of the trans, I didn't observe any change in the output of the drive shaft when the solenoid was engaged or disengaged. Just as I sat down to write this note I figured out that I need to check the oil level. Perhaps even drain and replace the oil. I haven't looked at my book yet for recommended oil. 90 weight? Is there anything else I can check or do prior to installing other than getting someone to rebuild it? (Presuming some addition of oil gets the OD to engage.) Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 07:45:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C092584555 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:45:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181B025804F8 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 97/9A-05785-A8CE9F35; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:45:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Creig Houghtaling'" , Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 06:45:47 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+/l9C0Wwc6S6iyTxOC8cA3sfD4bwABuZQg Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I haven't > looked at my book yet for recommended oil. 90 weight? 90 weight GL4 was the factory recommendation (or 80 if you consistently drive in below freezing weather). Lots of folks will tell you 30 weight motor oil, and Triumph used to recommend that. But they changed around 1960 to the GL4, so they must have had some reason. Rumor has it that the GL4 protects the gearbox better and reduced warranty returns. GL4 is getting hard to find at FLAPS. Personally, I use Redline MT-90, which is GL4 but also is designed specifically for manual transmissions. OD operation seemed about the same, but it definitely had a positive effect on shifting the main box. > Is there anything else I can check or do prior to installing > other than > getting someone to rebuild it? At a minimum, I'd get a pressure gauge and check the pressure, even if it does engage with more oil. The accumulator spring seems to get weak with age, leading to low pressure, which can allow the OD to slip under maximum load. Jay Holecamp sells a pressure gauge with the funky adapter (replaces the plug above the operating valve) for a reasonable price http://www.geocities.ws/jholekamp/ Or you can build your own. Probably also worth draining the old oil, even if it doesn't have very many miles on it. Check the oil for swarf, and clean the magnets and pickup screen inside the OD drain plug. I recommend building or buying a special wrench for the plug; hitting the ears with a punch & BFH can distort it and lead to leaks that are hard to fix. Here's my home-made one http://goo.gl/cd21oS In the background of that photo, you can see my previous attempt, just a bar of steel with two bolts at the right spacing and a little filing on the sides of the bolts. It worked well enough, but was tough maneuvering under my TR3A, so I made the one in the foreground (out of a cheap socket sourced from eBay). Or I believe Moss sells a tool. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 07:47:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E4258463C for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:47:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B082584520 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.227.60] ([70.121.227.60:63860] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A6/7F-24565-00DE9F35; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:47:44 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Creig Houghtaling" , References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:47:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Creig, always an interesting topic with differing opinions, factory recommends 90w gear oil, however, most 90w off the shelves these days is GL5 spec, you want GL4, which you can still get at NAPA stores I think, most don't stock it but can get it. The GL5 has additives that can cause corrosion in the brass components of the gearbox. Craig Esposito at Quantum mechanics recommends a straight 30w non detergent motor oil, cheap and usually available at the chain stores or tractor/farm supply stores Many swear by Redline synthetic MT90, I haven't tried it, but have also read that it will find any leaks you have in the tranny or overdrive and pour out faster than conventional oil, those are expensive leaks, so I have never tried it. Some people run multi-weight motor oils, though this article recommends against it. I have tried all except the MT90, in my opinion both the gear oil and non-detergent motor oil work fine, and I detected no noticeable difference in shift quality or overdrive engagement, I also used to put in multi-weight motor oil, I remember my old TR4A would drop out of O/D on a long run on a hot day sometimes, and am wondering if it was from cavitation or foaming as described in this article: http://www.quantumechanics.com/qm-htm/topic1.htm (scroll down). I think I may have been running multi-weight 20w-50 at the time. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 08:01:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76772584555 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:01:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40281258452F for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:00:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 21/2A-24565-C20F9F35; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:01:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 07:01:17 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+/of11Ocvdo+HBTuCvHMhAIP5iYgAAQG2w Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I think I may have been running multi-weight > 20w-50 at the time. If you do want to try 20W50, both Ken Gillanders and Herman van den Akker specifically recommend Valvoline Racing oil. It is low detergent plus has anti-foaming and ZDDP additives. I ran it for several years, and had no trouble that I associated with the oil. (I believe the slipping in 2nd gear was due to low oil pressure.) Valvoline has changed hands and expanded their "Racing oil" line since then, I assume the non-synthetic, "Not Street Legal" stuff is the equivalent of what they sold then. "VR1" apparently has more detergent in it, to meet API requirements. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 13:13:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2D22584C13 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:13:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A48F2584B02 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 13:12:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id bj1so19470851pad.25 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=McY6TMY49gsuV+TFpoiiCbVmK1oT7PfbdwfTQc5pNjc=; b=sZEtLQdv/9EuibTnT/psaPJf0fDPNheZRyMErSirXXiSLe9yws/5u5EAJKw/MtN/fN xOUBljnPxxqdavfRi62ABIz1YunokpuWyycLGxm+33DR7EhYk51RipoAzOxxTFz5+cJX fNhAR3KElHFd6aP8lUoWGL4lHA8YlpxdFFfzMUlHiQW9tZCq4LG5NviuJyJkWmO5TRZk n0MbA3I1behe0QjcZWKLREoyQ42d0aLcZG0hJEmODZ+0VFSYnFlpx6YRmp89H2s8oun5 HGl+eDaBqv5mrqcxB/UHLh48HZItRpOPOzk8Hj9SxfBGE3Kx9biguSdUjU1vA4HmZEzx UKqQ== fn10mr4376663pdb.161.1408907617522; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:13:37 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm looking to replace my long used (and abused) car tie down straps. Anyone use the thru the wheel type like the ones in this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290968930667 Thanks, Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 16:25:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAB82584D0A for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B638A258091E for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:24:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id im17so14370008vcb.31 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:25:41 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2LpcgnFzJbfkbSpNAwdMeVRP37ju2HWfA1/X9Thr0+Y=; b=sQNnGPtYcLsnf8qw/Rji1O3uH2kVzhDH4wiOmoO97hE4pvW92a7aaI/kUNWnRHxfBq OBjU0yVVoRJIPVPLGDXTF0RUWz8v9N9Xpv+fLOGS2/25oZaDPOF12zxbPWb5Z21Ot22s jvomqu1G/pgxFOIpwsh8wrScy52Xdj74rCYvr8BTO2H79LfuJEnI79syKy/ihUGxFuhG TuU9Q5ni4QPqcInGatTXgXoRAbPyzKWhlR/LfvoUnTG12IuGl5kO8nfNIjTeQPWlDhiy tPtIuFR3vxj/gjyUaqEqrwjN92vNCnp5pZLGPvz2MvS3B3cOHRzRVzvVhm0pQVvkeOHV FudQ== rm12mr270430vdb.71.1408919141149; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.202.74 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:25:41 -0600 From: Lee Janssen To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Rip Van Winkle Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We just fired up the MGB that has been sitting for 30 years - took about an hour to change oil, filter, replace plugs, jump the double 6 volt battery and get the engine running. Part of the delay was the SLOW speed that the engine was turning over. Once the engine was running we very quickly determined that the water pump was seized which generated a whole lot of squealing and white smoke. Needless to say we didn't run it for very long. Lee Denver CO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 17:09:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BC22584D05 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:09:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C9825807DF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:08:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 10so11237506lbg.40 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:09:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gQUL4BXbO3VRHHmmVRosE3qZAtC3oCuY3iL6F/AODTY=; b=DP8tkYM7Y3hUtI3iseNJhcu8DJC+xmnSV9KArdIu5wIgOp8FPpPfZsf0B8k4mxGlJh c4Tctn2/g4FRq2mn3kypNpHxQx3IxWUgHdBLFM6y0WKYvcbWFf2ip4uR3QufdHCATMdK V9pCSbViDvvm9oZHBdqbKgMIKH1l6wbqv4vMSLyJ/7wlKerGPnmFQ0wb5M8Qwk3x7Vmn 2nqEKLUA1RgsvW0Uo/D/vnX/aM69LB3xBzbiaHNoAJ972AKDTjr2jphOOFypkIyI1lPr 8AV4EGhpboMzlA6Jd73PVewsSBGeXg3TvQeEt0j1mJpyrQPBORmBna8XiYUrOkonOBVi 3BWw== e1mr4486107lbm.78.1408921760893; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:09:20 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I prefer going over the tires. Does not put holddown stress on the suspension or frame. Each tire is independently attached to the trailer, with no contact to any painted or metal parts of the car. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I'm looking to replace my long used (and abused) car tie down straps. > Anyone use the thru the wheel type like the ones in this auction? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290968930667 > > Thanks, > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 18:29:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9170425807AF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:29:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988D025807AF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id lf12so14656398vcb.1 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:30:09 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tacCCeoN9njGQhbxiVBT8lNgSRQaNi8a0ME/UpJInn8=; b=ncfCmNphjoL0BnCuoPToGbWtZRtD429+RHeu60/ZKtBT5DFUWYn0PrWRGizczlGay+ WfI587U1Q6OJ/1Puf4ubsql35hbCPAc5ObLzffBmHDmHjSFNFpoJ88CmpPdHOd5hGHa7 lDstJL1JeIkPRHs8tLpzOMaf3NeGF2W6sJVzyzVnG8619gFEtyYLWAlqf6VbH3T2isGd n2CA29P/XzwcZMbRcpa3ZhYFS1pjYqODQazQ9WMd5rf5uDYd+jo/16UXyYK+inpKiEAf tH2jFL49oJTXiBxizFGJDA9t1mD5p+K/EkT/Zj5W5FDS+e0s9hZ8UvFDI2DW4l+OCUqF mOSw== ex3mr2560047vcb.63.1408926609131; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.202.74 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 17:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:30:09 -0600 From: Lee Janssen To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Lights-on ignition-off alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Current cars have an alarm when you leave you lights on when the ignition is off. Does anyone know of an aftermarket device that will perform this function for a TR6? The Rocky Mountain Triumph club had a wonderful drive from Golden to Leadville this weekend and twice I had forgotten to turn my lights off. Side Note: 5 pounds of boost is a wonderful thing at 11000+ feet - 70 mph in 5th gear! Thanks Much in advance. Lee Janssen Denver CO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 19:14:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9BE25845AE for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:14:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E668C25807DF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:13:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hy10so14337645vcb.4 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:14:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ABZfSS5Kwzz38IeWl67U2TRs0gGUkokKJ/FeJuxdnx8=; b=U0mtK6xwFKPXohgcawKtNafyNg8afg5IVlEPLVs1ieb4H1WRxJL/16tjrNc5G9CUtA zaAL6PEBoJ7w8f5pyO5q/bTZIWAZw3dm1oy9le4Vk/wM9fTn8aKg2eGWBFxo02BriZNs DCGT8gbUvd291bUqz+FYgC+FpZ/619uRCGgIrg7gbUFxMKTSI+0/vQ9uHd9p4ebq4+Qn oFn9sfscodvyXEJwzXed8kUqStP57+7kErwiydG48qJ3/USZs348sqjwRfA8dw/LPum0 bpoE6GARLMM999uHxQuEXa/dDDR+EgBhv43L9cAhcJ7E6+qRWuHVmFEQSaFIygBucBQt xD/Q== zx7mr1458872vdc.2.1408929253514; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:14:13 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:14:13 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Lee Janssen Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Lights-on ignition-off alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does the TR6 have an 'ignition on, seatbelt not fastened' warning buzzer? Or an 'key in ignition, door open warning buzzer'? Either of those set-ups are commonly hacked to make a 'your lights are still on' buzzer. Geo On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Lee Janssen wrote: > Current cars have an alarm when you leave you lights on when the ignition > is off. > Does anyone know of an aftermarket device that will perform this function > for a TR6? > The Rocky Mountain Triumph club had a wonderful drive from Golden to > Leadville this weekend and twice I had forgotten to turn my lights off. > > Side Note: 5 pounds of boost is a wonderful thing at 11000+ feet - 70 mph > in 5th gear! > > Thanks Much in advance. > > Lee Janssen > Denver CO > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 24 19:42:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717FF25845D1 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6F72580851 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 28/88-05785-C849AF35; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 01:42:37 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Lee Janssen'" , "'triumphs'" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:42:37 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+/+7wRLx3LUXBLSsKGRSLmqtVenQACXeSA Subject: Re: [TR] Lights-on ignition-off alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Current cars have an alarm when you leave you lights on when > the ignition > is off. > Does anyone know of an aftermarket device that will perform > this function > for a TR6? Here's a couple of ways to roll your own: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et245.htm You could also do the first solution with an in-line diode rather than the relay. There have been times when I wanted to leave the lights on, without listening to the buzzer, so my preference would be to include an easy way to defeat it. One solution might be a big capacitor in series, so it would just chirp once as you turned the key off, then shut up. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 04:54:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6186C25845B1 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:54:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E19025807BE for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [37.152.39.86] (port=33871 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XLrvr-0040TX-ES; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:55:27 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'Brad Kahler'" References: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:55:39 +0100 Thread-Index: AQI+5IY1+ETnfCNBy/YL3gNVbZ2lJQHhhcIlmvPORQA= Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net IMHO this pic shows the best (and safest) way to secure the car on a trailer. Handbrake on, gears locked in first or reverse and the strap enclosing the tyre - one strap set per wheel. https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600 &bih=701&q=car+tie+down+straps&oq=car+tie+down+straps&gs_l=img.1.0.0j0i24l3. 80.5175.0.9329.17.11.0.5.5.0.352.968.2-1j2.3.0....0...1ac.1.52.img..9.8.1038 .q9tBGd-4suM#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=TmkmM1TIHgYjlM%253A%3BMbtLbDcNJYxpVM%3Bh ttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dawson-group.com%252Fdawsongroup%252Fup_files%252F50mm -wide-car-transporter-ratchet-strap-with-claw-hooks-663-p.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%25 2F%252Fwww.dawson-group.com%252Fdawsongroup%252FApplication%252FCar-Transpor ter-Straps.htm%3B266%3B230 Next best alternative is a single strap going diagonally up the front of the tyre, around the top third of the tyre rear and then diagonally down to the ratchet. Slight deformation of the tyre may result, but a replacement tyre costs way less to rectify than a deformed front suspension tower or chassis/frame component. Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Philip Ethier Sent: 25 August 2014 00:09 To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps I prefer going over the tires. Does not put holddown stress on the suspension or frame. Each tire is independently attached to the trailer, with no contact to any painted or metal parts of the car. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I'm looking to replace my long used (and abused) car tie down straps. > Anyone use the thru the wheel type like the ones in this auction? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290968930667 > > Thanks, > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk ----- No virus found in this message. 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Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 05:16:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E904258459C for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBB9258080E for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:15:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([82.26.126.142]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id izFn1o04134Tjbm01zFoCV; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:15:48 +0100 a=2679dMJ++G3LaLRYhCWB8g==:117 a=2679dMJ++G3LaLRYhCWB8g==:17 a=X-xe6eiAxHYA:10 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=kaXgFlz-uqm7Pgov5yYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Triumphs" References: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:15:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not entirely practical if the wheel slots are not large enough. Nice colour of Z3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:13 PM Subject: [TR] Tie down straps > I'm looking to replace my long used (and abused) car tie down straps. > Anyone use the thru the wheel type like the ones in this auction? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290968930667 > > Thanks, > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4007/8095 - Release Date: 08/25/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 05:24:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3D12584584 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:24:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 55E6A258080E for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:24:17 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1408965899; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=BzBew0hFUyQbAQ4c4eWLBRgejUQ0rVyrRF/pF5NcxcFGMP+ztVFLBQyi+6aF/fpP2 O/kYZOwP8W7u/AjNbR4nlmDyCcGKSat4TLnN9+TlsN9HnFG5HhfBA2SZjs3W6DBdOT LWxu3Y6nir1qC/m8ogcSe8ETpM18mCvNowEPNamE= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout01.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK9YHJBAGW7UF2 for (sender ); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:23:52 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:23:52 GMT To: lee.k.janssen@gmail.com Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Lights-on ignition-off alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 3M used to sell this little kit for around $7 at Walmart but I think thisis the same thing = no tools required, it just clips to round fuses. http://www.liteminder.com/index.html ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Lee Janssen Subject: [TR] Lights-on ignition-off alarm Does anyone know of an aftermarket device that will perform this function for a TR6? Lee Janssen Denver CO ____________________________________________________________ The End of the "Made-In-China" Era The impossible (but real) technology that could make you impossibly rich. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/53fb1d01515221d012721st01vuc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 06:00:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E548C25845CD for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:00:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7178C25808D7 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:59:53 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1408968035; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=kKfJvndINZ4bmeD2z/+BwJf3zt0dzAlJraoAHQvUeVGtvFu8XzlBrd2Q9Bokpo/px ikAs006qU/1skoPwLlQv7OCwokB5NeBwvL0bDw+NfpONlA9QZofPeHgqVP6rXaXUjm G8JxCWNHGsJEj7V0+u67k/qH8AGUiR8b+Y50RxdU= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail04.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.144]) by smtpout04.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABK9YKL3AP7T86J for (sender ); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [24.42.238.6] by webmail04.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:59:58 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:59:58 GMT Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We have a new leader in the longest link competition! I tiny -ed it: http://tinyurl.com/nylchn9 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "John Macartney" Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps IMHO this pic shows the best (and safest) way to secure the car on a trailer. https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1600 &bih=701&q=car+tie+down+straps&oq=car+tie+down+straps&gs_l=img.1.0.0j0i24l3. 80.5175.0.9329.17.11.0.5.5.0.352.968.2-1j2.3.0....0...1ac.1.52.img..9.8.1038 .q9tBGd-4suM#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=TmkmM1TIHgYjlM%253A%3BMbtLbDcNJYxpVM%3Bh ttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.dawson-group.com%252Fdawsongroup%252Fup_files%252F50mm -wide-car-transporter-ratchet-strap-with-claw-hooks-663-p.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%25 2F%252Fwww.dawson-group.com%252Fdawsongroup%252FApplication%252FCar-Transpor ter-Straps.htm%3B266%3B230 ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? 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Mon, 25 Aug 2014 06:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:00:53 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Dixie4 , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tie down straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 12:39:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A08B2584DEE for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4131925807F5 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:39:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id j6fk1o00F1qFPpX016fkYf; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:39:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:39:38 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Randall , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <21.2A.24565.C20F9F35@cdptpa-oedge01> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive transmission Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net from the healey list... There is a good if brief article in this month's issue of "Vintage Motorsports" dealing with lube choices for both transmissions and differentials. Though the article does not go into matters such as what metals like what GL ratings it does confirm that 75-90 transmission oil is approximately equal in viscosity to 10w-40 engine oils and is the right choice for most of us. Worth a read--Michael Oritt _____________________________ On 8/24/2014 8:01 AM, Randall wrote: >> I think I may have been running multi-weight >> 20w-50 at the time. > If you do want to try 20W50, both Ken Gillanders and Herman van den Akker specifically recommend Valvoline Racing oil. It is low > detergent plus has anti-foaming and ZDDP additives. I ran it for several years, and had no trouble that I associated with the oil. > (I believe the slipping in 2nd gear was due to low oil pressure.) > > Valvoline has changed hands and expanded their "Racing oil" line since then, I assume the non-synthetic, "Not Street Legal" stuff is > the equivalent of what they sold then. "VR1" apparently has more detergent in it, to meet API requirements. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 13:27:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332992584DEE for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s2.hotmail.com [65.55.34.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DB92584664 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-W31 ([65.55.34.8]) by COL004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:27:11 -0700 From: Dave Murphy To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:27:12 -0400 References: FILETIME=[91B97220:01CFC09A] Subject: [TR] Getting my Moss Supercharger to Run Correctly on My TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Would anyone who has the Eaton M62 supercharger with 2 barrel Holly carb that Moss sells please let me know what they did to get their car to run properly and still produce more power than stock. I put one of these on my '76 TR6 in 2008 and at stock timing settings with the as-supplied standard jets in the carb, the car would make extra power above 2800 rpm, but it would not run smoothly below 2200 rpm, and unless I was extremely slow in applying throttle when taking off from rest, it backfired scratchy soot back through the supercharger that usually took a few minutes to clear. There was not one day in the previous 6 years that I was able to drive it without backfiring at least once, until we retarded the timing and put jets 4 sizes richer in place. Now driveability is great - starts great, runs well at low revs, but there's a lot of black smoke out the exhaust, the oil gets dirty quicker and I doubt it produces any more that stock horsepower. And it won't go above 4000 rpm without bucking. -Dave Murphy Dearborn MI ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 13:33:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130292584DDE for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C09C2584664 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140825193338.ZBUW8128.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:33:38 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id j7Ze1o0030jfpza017ZeTl; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:33:38 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=wLRzDdIrySsA:10 a=atMSF72UKJEA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=kfAS8VhK7NG0MNpl0jEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=YMySQ-pGtl6yOqAM:21 a=qV6c4SOMDid1WNEg:21 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Dave Murphy'" , References: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 12:33:43 -0700 Thread-Index: AQGv/EcLWfnbjh2H0ji32BUPP3W0dAGUfhoHnBSaWrA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Getting my Moss Supercharger to Run Correctly on My TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What compression ratio are you running? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Murphy Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 12:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Getting my Moss Supercharger to Run Correctly on My TR6 Would anyone who has the Eaton M62 supercharger with 2 barrel Holly carb that Moss sells please let me know what they did to get their car to run properly and still produce more power than stock. I put one of these on my '76 TR6 in 2008 and at stock timing settings with the as-supplied standard jets in the carb, the car would make extra power above 2800 rpm, but it would not run smoothly below 2200 rpm, and unless I was extremely slow in applying throttle when taking off from rest, it backfired scratchy soot back through the supercharger that usually took a few minutes to clear. There was not one day in the previous 6 years that I was able to drive it without backfiring at least once, until we retarded the timing and put jets 4 sizes richer in place. Now driveability is great - starts great, runs well at low revs, but there's a lot of black smoke out the exhaust, the oil gets dirty quicker and I doubt it produces any more that stock horsepower. And it won't go above 4000 rpm without bucking. -Dave Murphy Dearborn MI ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 14:09:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6342584DEA for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:09:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084C2258449B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:08:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.83]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 72DF070000088 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dqe004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.162.77]) by mtaomg-mab01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3B43138000087 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: jhmdds@aol.com Received: from 66.169.95.151 by webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com (149.174.188.98) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:08:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 16:08:19 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1408997299; bh=1dTapdWBuHGjV9otVKFmQdWD3qSZV9j0eMASagS0p3A=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IQPV3Pa8bTpnxwZ+0GB1s/x+1tuk1571n6/WC4cxE7qlv4ogu1EZqleUywGCQrDc1 u0tbDEexSqrjv0hQRAvQPe3FV4D8VuVI3ttDJ04Fj+0/FM5fTmfvXDUXV/4zX1QLXq B+geuFDvqesyptQV2DQfcxprHClhWC0yjkdrulFA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95353fb97b31b40 Subject: [TR] Tr 6 Engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, My newly rebuilt '75 Tr6 engine has been mounted on a stand in my basement for several years. I am finally ready to put it in the car but was wondering about the cam and its state of lubrication after all this time. Is there an easy way to relube it without much disassembly? Is relubing necessary? Anything else I should check/do before reinstallation? Thanks, Jamie Maddox ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 18:45:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96BE2584F4B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:45:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D02525845DD for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (96-41-146-193.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [96.41.146.193]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NAW00G1224CC130@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 00:45:50 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-08-26_01:2014-08-25,2014-08-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1408260009 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 17:45:48 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Reverse Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall, I was amazed to learn that the reverse lights can be engaged via a connection on the transmission. My TR4 has overdrive, but it was added later by the previous owner. My reverse lights are engaged manually via a knob on the dash! Can you give me more info on this? Id love to get mine working properly. Thanks. > ---- dave n wrote: >> just landed here. its got three switches on top; Ibm not sure which is >> which. I think I know which is the overdrive switch, and then one is the >> backup, and the other is a cutout that keeps it from engaging in first and >> reverse? > > A-type OD uses two lockout switches. Although they are called "lockout", in > fact they enable the OD when they are closed. One switch closes when in 3rd > or 4th gear, the other switch closes in 2nd gear. Making OD available in 2nd, > 3rd and 4th. > > The switch nearest the left side is the backup light switch. The one nearest > the right side is the 2nd gear OD switch. The one in the middle is for 3rd & > 4th. > > Randall -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 25 21:28:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C03D2584659 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DF62580809 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DB/DE-32100-ACEFBF35; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 03:28:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 20:28:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/Axx3rokDQGAqZTPOBo0fsRtHHUAAFV4cg Subject: Re: [TR] TR Reverse Lights Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I was amazed to learn that the reverse lights can be engaged > via a connection > on the transmission. My TR4 has overdrive, but it was added > later by the > previous owner. My reverse lights are engaged manually via a > knob on the dash! > Can you give me more info on this? Id love to get mine > working properly. I believe most of the details on how to add the switch are covered in the article on the Buckeye Triumphs site: http://tinyurl.com/ppk635m Of course, Nelson was talking about the OD switches, but the reverse switch is very similar. It's just over the reverse shift fork instead of the forward gears. Then of course you'll have to add the wiring, per the wiring diagram. I think I had a diagram showing more precise switch location, but I can't find it at the moment. Maybe someone else has a copy handy. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 14:00:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E722585103 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:00:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CE225808B4 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id b17so15458278lan.39 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:00:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HqK//2hKs3gSpN+sP0CD5DXa41QahHCXAxEdK9e1rEo=; b=nqeyILQBL6aZfmKrcDesat8t558LE7o73Vyj6p4JGsyLeD3gQrggLgMqhQgkaEvuRx YOQxk8I5Tq1ZUGNSXYoJbucJMSBNnpR+x1Pb+FsnV+cglNrF0eYM5DWS+FYzvhy1c2u7 iQGokVGT7Pj/VZeGzCvV9hrtZs3LUxj/rlpMc12J+o3n/+/8Y+roc0EBokf8bxxwy0py 2Q8GXjvD4JClQALo8JDNyLDhYSsxS9O8hXvoiCcriuyNKQIiCSkuvtQlgVz/C9glLamf /tqZtfYOhrUaNtWuHxixviaN3nuX84/TvYmnmcyeNsRmUaNr9CPeYXtmMN3CvV6+UTq8 Hqpg== kq2mr4758508lac.89.1409083204874; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:00:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D18EB772733B68-311C-27EED@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 15:00:04 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: jhmdds@aol.com Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tr 6 Engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can you pull the spark plugs and run it on the starter motor? Shoot oil into the cylinders first. Hook up an oil-pressure gauge and crank the engine until you see oil pressure. There is also some trick you can do first with the distributor-drive, I think, but I have never tried that and I can ot advise you on it. On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM, wrote: > List, > > > My newly rebuilt '75 Tr6 engine has been mounted on a stand in my > basement for several years. I am finally ready to put it in the car but > was > wondering about the cam and its state of lubrication after all this time. > Is > there an easy way to relube it without much disassembly? Is relubing > necessary? Anything else I should check/do before reinstallation? > > > Thanks, > Jamie Maddox > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 26 14:32:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05682585048 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:32:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A347B258087E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:32:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id v1so12607020yhn.27 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NOXpsuZbDlsDEY9kGgiQIyF9UEzW+ySouiYI89iWjb8=; b=S/wHK3UkR/ySDiHbowJkTPuXXuCNorh+JEqTkYPscOCZbsKeXXD94CjnQQr1IHpJu6 vFiAaMSwxWufrn8ra3UpowI5rHp0CB8sdmhKAF86b6eTYRiql41sfZAmf5EmUQHFaQdv aj2OR0qByV9+hILOoa37TJMV9uM+tywcUrZtrunFaKw9oimelvC2J+YutDC72vpWXMbO Ufu04iTDylgm0FvkU/1Ma31qqY6ewtKL19OZnqkfU7wT9XHx9dBh/5uo62erPzYVSBHq sPg7EkhP9ClON4/PXDFiLPsZpoB5PW3zikAAKAzsdAnlT2aUTVr7NcYcDig9GJUAZG9K xptQ== ek9mr11586877vdb.35.1409085184218; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D18EB772733B68-311C-27EED@webmail-d219.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 13:33:04 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: jhmdds@aol.com Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tr 6 Engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You can also remove the valve cover and dump a quart of oil over the valve train and let is run down to the cam. Of course you may need to drain some oil if this additional quart over-fills the sump. Geo On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > Can you pull the spark plugs and run it on the starter motor? Shoot oil > into the cylinders first. Hook up an oil-pressure gauge and crank the > engine until you see oil pressure. > > There is also some trick you can do first with the distributor-drive, I > think, but I have never tried that and I can ot advise you on it. > > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM, wrote: > > > List, > > > > > > My newly rebuilt '75 Tr6 engine has been mounted on a stand in my > > basement for several years. I am finally ready to put it in the car but > > was > > wondering about the cam and its state of lubrication after all this time. > > Is > > there an easy way to relube it without much disassembly? Is relubing > > necessary? Anything else I should check/do before reinstallation? > > > > > > Thanks, > > Jamie Maddox > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > > > > > > -- > pethier@comcast.net still works also > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 13:36:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA4325809BD for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E043258044F for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa11-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jvcb1o00B5SgtPc01vcbQe; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:36:39 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:36:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] tr3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net tr3, not tr3a b what are the threads of the screws that hold the door latches on the b pillar? my body shop guy just called and he wants them; I do not have the car in front of me. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 13:49:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1822580A99 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from brightmail-internal3.sri.com (brightmail-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.89.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AA425809AB for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:49:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from exchange-hub01.SRI.COM (Unknown_Domain [128.18.87.18]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by brightmail-internal3.sri.com (SRI Internal SMTP Gateway) with SMTP id 93.EE.09181.9663EF35; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.18.14.207] (128.18.14.207) by smtp.sri.com (128.18.87.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.347.0; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:50:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 12:50:01 -0700 From: Cregg Cowan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: 8ri/eyW7x67fM9gDmKK4bFJSczLLUov07RK4MnoWL2QqmMBWMfPIfJYGxq8sXYycHBICJhIX 359khLDFJC7cW8/WxcjFISSwkkliZ+dmRghnIaPEm0U3mUGqeAXUJDZcvswGYrMIqErMuf0W LM4moC7x4t1CMFtUIELizu45TBD1ghInZz4B2yYiICIxZcNKsBpmAVmJU8u7wWxhAQmJ91vm QMUtJGbOP88IYctLbH8LERcSUJDY9v0k4wRG/llIxs5C0jILScsCRuZVjDJJRZnpGSW5iZk5 urDAM9YrLsrUS87P3cQIDsZIyR2MfctsDzEKcDAq8fB+WPAnWIg1say4MvcQowQHs5IIb9mB v8FCvCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEeX8yvAoUEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MO5467ny p2B01hHvC5ezb2mZFawSe3fn7wXOdzeKtlx6yWXcWlawSy/ltV3ypteHTp+X4r6rdeLjxUdq NuFLPhc0vlKpns3t2XAiQVLlIPNd98rIrdpC7jO9eF5bsaxZ9XvB655F9ZIHOaP4fcMX781N 0rnOL6c4cY1x46xiO5nVV5wPChyTclRiKc5INNRiLipOBAAYYz+4QgIAAA== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Tr 6 engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jamie, I suggest you circulate oil through the engine without turning it, since the bearings are dry from sitting for many years. I have a custom-made tool that allows turning the oil pump with an electric drill. The procedure is to remove the distributor and drive gear, then replace the drive gear "shaft" with the special tool. It takes some practice to get the distributor drive gear back in place, but it can be done with patience (hint: mark the orientation of the drive gear when the motor is at TDC before disassembly). I have heard that others use a pressurized oil canister (such as http://www.amazon.com/SURE-SHOT-Sprayer-Interior-Exterior/dp/B005POGY74) and inject oil by temporarily removing one of the galley plugs. Good luck! Cregg ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 13:59:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FBD2580A68 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC4F25809C1 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:59:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id id10so185926vcb.15 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=I1MhPnaKDHwuGR5zJ/7TAxEy935q4SdLQGSIBQRf9ZE=; b=tykNzNuNCr5l+zI9CJ9nEchQXuhv7R2ps2AmkB5aspohBoKUo3icfEFvL2piPoPlbf 8+LoLV/OBPcu6w/7FD+oTVwc3CCFqXHm7i2HO0lXnKgdD0zCbO5KmKzvO6viQnO+JMw0 IaMVylBRGxjtxBYH5+oPVWP1rkqqhf3+oggNkAWYmujQIbK6a0ZHrQSQxNpjM2e5Y7Yv MjAr1bPbkQLOX98xxYS+pn1NqisfuCiCsB24oLtfvQPcJZEZ03SNHAv2aVUOWb3Jjw2O 5ANDsIeOHL7KFQDCPusNKfTviy4exSsepfSaR3j0eBD96uJAbNaoVRzWg0M+Nv13RQOr HQjg== m6mr2504322vdi.74.1409169628553; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.192.8 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:00:28 -0600 From: Lee Janssen To: triumphs Subject: [TR] Follow up: Lights-on ignition-off alarm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all that responded to my question. Resolved the issue by purchasing a buzzer from Radio Shack and installed it between the re/green parking light line and the green windshield wiper switch supply line. Thanks again Lee Janssen Denver CO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 14:01:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01342580A19 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB21925809C3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:56661] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C1/15-14619-D593EF35; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:02:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:02:37 +0000 From: Randall To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:02:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- dave n wrote: > tr3, not tr3a b what are the threads of the screws that hold the door > latches on the b pillar? I vaguely recall that they are 2 BA. Slightly smaller and slightly different pitch than 10-32, they sometimes get replaced with 10-32. But I'm not certain offhand, and Revington's on-line catalog claims they are 10-32. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 17:10:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E94C25846B3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 321D7258094E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 17:09:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id jzAh1o00L4oFfFQ01zAiUZ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 16:10:42 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <819F0DD26CAA46BE940B0E5F5FE08504@Ranteer.local> <20140827200237.8QH6X.59528.root@cdptpa-web24> <001a01cfc239$37ea4c60$a7bee520$@net> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:10:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net thank you all for the replies! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 18:20:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00062584538 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4427D258094E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.227.60] ([70.121.227.60:60705] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AF/C0-31046-E067EF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 00:21:34 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <819F0DD26CAA46BE940B0E5F5FE08504@Ranteer.local> <20140827200237.8QH6X.59528.root@cdptpa-web24> <001a01cfc239$37ea4c60$a7bee520$@net> <96BD148251B241A8A64C5A92D50B7B96@Ranteer.local> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:21:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] You know you are REALLY done with your restoration when... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...you realize you have stopped looking at the Roadster Factory specials each week, swear I bought darn near a whole car just picking up a few items each week when they went on special, got the email about the mid-week special today, and realized I haven't even opened one for a while. Always still things to do, wish lists etc, but the heavy lifting must finally be done (for now at least). Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 18:30:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3450025846F3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:30:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D5F258451D for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:30:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170060pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NAZ00GIFQSNU811@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vznit170060 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:31:35 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: glemon@neb.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] You know you are REALLY done with your restoration when... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am at the point myself that I have a hard time spending the $100 credit for having the TRF membership. While my wife was happy,at Christmas we wished we had more shipping boxes. My joke is that I had my mid-life crisis and bought the TR because my wife said I could not have a mistress. 10 years later, she wishes I had the mistress because it would have been cheaper and I would not be bugging her about sex all the time. Always gets people to laugh. Craig 72 TR6 On 08/27/14, Greg Lemon wrote: ...you realize you have stopped looking at the Roadster Factory specials each week, swear I bought darn near a whole car just picking up a few items each week when they went on special, got the email about the mid-week special today, and realized I haven't even opened one for a while. Always still things to do, wish lists etc, but the heavy lifting must finally be done (for now at least). Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 27 18:36:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD4725846F3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm4-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB229258451D for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2014 18:36:46 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409186251; bh=9w+duFo/fEvwATK8262wIJm3Gi5cx4YXWx5fxKca7jg=; b=KarVyflnLIU0SCSiTBNFVRRz1wWUyHf2HXuQb631CNPmhHnPyYIVskmkBfktSHCSCgeZonsErL9wsLDLMAIsl+Sg0R/aYYoIDEMuyb7RHqzQEOzh0yo6uN+hIQPvbGp1aILNEVUI0ujJ6SklC8gkpJnwQpHusG9pTje1gbmP6BE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=ziU7KV6CqkN2fOdUbHAoLJ6liOQoffKjLlDbgiLMTb+C2NVGcEG3QMKDBIPcT/e9lmoBVH2ZFIFDoUp3T/7HzzdwJDZbqKp4kqCKiRt/d5SfT/5+pBoZbIsdvVoUGAvHlgpfpkYEuG025Ns1MzpC5D8l2KysyD+M6vKEK8cyAq8=; Received: from [216.39.60.183] by nm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2014 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.196] by tm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2014 00:37:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Aug 2014 00:37:31 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409186251; bh=9w+duFo/fEvwATK8262wIJm3Gi5cx4YXWx5fxKca7jg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=kKTfOrPZKz4L0AIbrm5KuRvuuB261G383sJ/DXeN8v6+aPZ2tehE94LUUIg+V3n+QC8R7nUpUCqz+VcUIRlOYniSd5xpPgjc6D15qEl28rq6RQkcEVC+2VrTWrU6iSLi1A0GIrSl93HNNop+9qH5ko3iFOfGIaybaY2giyAsBfk= gZSISerbfdWdsqL4qY36hzjVDHE9vIosn8AmT8mkq3j.0Mk2_.dhBbHo6WMb H3TCiK_dNPnqmemkCtD_QRfYmHpeAcbk9tra6cld6EATLSVCGhG4BfSYcG.0 .2_7sZT.TU96zSpNxn0aNfcDsNpzB.AK4DKa.cyGStylaMOJEusrQ228zsFG b8lPzr7RHxZvgoDOa07FoaPq8owSkuWWlWyjDGf7XMqxl_4WDk4qWGMFzt.b J0ZoUx.L6ZraAcuiLKeowSA7po5ve4LfdkIHMix5ub3pcAJRylM0N5vwPdgi eYbb.Lo8MxDrMPFpDwTC8g4mRMDq1vYDM3i1eTAGLEUvAgiaPs9o6dY1D2uz UPIJIKqyEuCrKNjgHx.V0aSpseeLkw1qxWuH_utY0CYeiZ7hm_QNRg7EX9mM 9N1RLxkzxXMGqn1upjBSr3gIiWOsUgYcEqkN.Qx5d_AabxB3wgOmLH5Btw1Q GaFAho02S3TcqOES8l7KnSjJAmF.ip55V1o1LR8pRqMwx9_HWC5zyRKWBR5V pvt6ecDYib_65EjFbM4VCuwxhalmRyoCK5bkxpPQVGyv5j_2lHYjI References: <819F0DD26CAA46BE940B0E5F5FE08504@Ranteer.local> <20140827200237.8QH6X.59528.root@cdptpa-web24> <001a01cfc239$37ea4c60$a7bee520$@net> <96BD148251B241A8A64C5A92D50B7B96@Ranteer.local> <6255D97E5F6941AF88F395F6B79D5204@livingroompc> From: Wbeech Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 19:37:27 -0500 To: Greg Lemon Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] You know you are REALLY done with your restoration when... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Almost the case here, everything I can buy is here and sitting on the shelves waiting for the body to come from the paint shop. Interior, gauges, dash, capping, exterior, wheels & tires. Silly me, I thought a year would be plenty of time. Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 27, 2014, at 7:21 PM, "Greg Lemon" wrote: ...you realize you have stopped looking at the Roadster Factory specials each week, swear I bought darn near a whole car just picking up a few items each week when they went on special, got the email about the mid-week special today, and realized I haven't even opened one for a while. Always still things to do, wish lists etc, but the heavy lifting must finally be done (for now at least). Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 09:02:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231222584719 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC70258456A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:00:56 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=o-F1wCHNW24A:10 a=_GiAdxccOtwA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=-QPa3TovRHX7BoTXtZQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=RR5Sbb8RzrecH-Rd:21 a=7JFMhFeRwBWGhMl_:21 a=iwXt0zCMLU96PFK3cT4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=K8OFHtHnXU_g5bVH:21 a=jljeR/jQddLYXl2Ym5EGwA==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.0] ([10.35.79.0:17444] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 51/B3-09877-5544FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:01:41 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=o-F1wCHNW24A:10 a=_GiAdxccOtwA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=-QPa3TovRHX7BoTXtZQA:9 a=RR5Sbb8RzrecH-Rd:21 a=7JFMhFeRwBWGhMl_:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=iwXt0zCMLU96PFK3cT4A:9 a=K8OFHtHnXU_g5bVH:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50597] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 07/36-14401-4544FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:01:41 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:06:12 -0400 Subject: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Awhile back I think I had posted that I ended up having to remove the cylinder head of my TR4A to have the bronze valve guides replaced as they were not reamed enough to allow adequate clearance for the valves. The engine ran fine all day as long as I didn't go over about 2,500 RPM for more than 2 minutes or so. If I did, the engine would develope a misfire and there was a clicking sound comming from the engine. If I pushed in the clutch and let the engine idle it would run fine again.. As if that wasn't bad enough, the new camshaft and lifters were ruined in the process of hitting the tight valves. So, I had new cast iron valve guides installed by a different machine shop and bought a new camshaft and new lifters from BPNW. I carefully degreed the new camshaft which was a PIA to do with the engine still in the car by the way. I put the rest of the engine together and it not only won't start, but won't even "pop". Here is what I have done so far; 1. I reviewed again the camshaft timing instructions (BP270 camshaft from BPNW) a. Find TDC for cylinder 1 and index the degree wheel to "0 degrees" b. Turn the cranshaft to indicate 112 degrees ATDC. c. Install dial indicator on #1 intake valve and turn camshaft till lobe is at max. lift d. Install timing chain. e. Rotate crankshaft through the 4 cycles and verify crankshaft and intake lobe match up to specs. ( I did this a couple of times) 3. Adjusted the valves one more time and didn't find any that were too tight or loose. 4. The slot on the distributor drive is pointing to the first pushrod tube at TDC on # 1 compression stroke. 5. I used a timing light to make sure the No. 1 plug was firing just after TDC. 6. Made sure plug wires are connected correctly (Firing Order 1,3,4, 2) 7. New spark plug wires 8. New plugs 9. There is fuel to the carbs. About the only other thing I can think of is that somehow the intake manifold is not tight up against the head and I will check that today. There is no gas smell like the engine is flooded which I am suspicious of as I cranked if trying to start it and I would have expected to smell gas. Anybody have an other ideas?? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 09:12:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CEA258472A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:12:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ADDE258456A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:12:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23847 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 2014 15:12:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2014 15:12:52 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw2 with id kFCj1o01H1NzpT901FCmm6; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:12:50 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=wEvSRdnjBdoA:10 a=fUu4tVc-A6sA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=O_AiwZQnuRiwknOIqcUA:9 a=2jqA13vn7ZVDg7WO:21 a=Z55LTQmfWc1EkJsq:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=51085 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XN1NU-0005eA-H6; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:12:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:12:43 -0500 To: "Dave Connitt" , From: Tony Drews References: <27BD267D64F041649A9D66CAD88AF743@DaveLaptop> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Be sure that you used the 2nd lifter from the front to check the intake lift (not the front lifter). "A Friend" once made that mistake... :) Tony Drews At 10:06 AM 8/28/2014, Dave Connitt wrote: >Awhile back I think I had posted that I ended up having to remove the cylinder >head of my TR4A to have the bronze valve guides replaced as they were not >reamed enough to allow adequate clearance for the valves. The engine ran fine >all day as long as I didn't go over about 2,500 RPM for more than 2 minutes or >so. If I did, the engine would develope a misfire and there was a clicking >sound comming from the engine. If I pushed in the clutch and let the engine >idle it would run fine again.. As if that wasn't bad enough, the new camshaft >and lifters were ruined in the process of hitting the tight valves. >So, I had new cast iron valve guides installed by a different machine shop and >bought a new camshaft and new lifters from BPNW. >I carefully degreed the new camshaft which was a PIA to do with the engine >still in the car by the way. I put the rest of the engine together and it not >only won't start, but won't even "pop". >Here is what I have done so far; >1. I reviewed again the camshaft timing instructions (BP270 camshaft from >BPNW) > a. Find TDC for cylinder 1 and index the degree wheel to "0 degrees" > b. Turn the cranshaft to indicate 112 degrees ATDC. > c. Install dial indicator on #1 intake valve and turn camshaft till lobe >is at max. lift > d. Install timing chain. > e. Rotate crankshaft through the 4 cycles and verify crankshaft > and intake >lobe match up to specs. ( I did this a couple of times) >3. Adjusted the valves one more time and didn't find any that were too tight >or loose. >4. The slot on the distributor drive is pointing to the first pushrod tube at >TDC on # 1 compression stroke. >5. I used a timing light to make sure the No. 1 plug was firing just after >TDC. >6. Made sure plug wires are connected correctly (Firing Order 1,3,4, 2) >7. New spark plug wires >8. New plugs >9. There is fuel to the carbs. > > >About the only other thing I can think of is that somehow the intake manifold >is not tight up against the head and I will check that today. There is no gas >smell like the engine is flooded which I am suspicious of as I cranked if >trying to start it and I would have expected to smell gas. > >Anybody have an other ideas?? > >Thanks, >Dave Connitt > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 09:20:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39CD2584722 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3C6258456A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f53.google.com with SMTP id i138so660993oig.12 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dLa7b51mwsJZY66M8nlQrIOkVtRC1fN0FGjcw8JvK24=; b=CAj8cliqMXx97cFMLsTNbn/jUy4f5ZKs/yp8KYYNC5bG6odFuFA+p26WR3VbepzAUr 3pBLRM9QdkeoAlVLv0R85L/h7pd6dfuLYJhVbQN43lWTDuIKjjafv5LMcRkix5Os4J0j y3VsGvMjJhX/PdJPSeOnK7UUDp2HGXTQWKUyQ4caGNhsAu+2wqeBY/Fr/Ae5boEya0ek wxKaX1U9Q+Scuo/WgPsGEWrYUiBZbiddIJxFRNcSUqfmRzN6xPjw73HkGKHbwlCYwkh/ Fvtkst2jghaxsR+6ECSyDL4iKKh5ETCDZ5OORw5h6NZlDxEqVQ0FwsJHGntYiyImDPdq OQDA== k1mr4350179oeq.66.1409239241016; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p4sm6026297oed.6.2014.08.28.08.20.39 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:20:39 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <27BD267D64F041649A9D66CAD88AF743@DaveLaptop> Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/28/14, 8:06 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I carefully degreed the new camshaft which was a PIA to do with the engine > still in the car by the way. I put the rest of the engine together and it not > only won't start, but won't even "pop". > Here is what I have done so far; > 1. I reviewed again the camshaft timing instructions (BP270 camshaft from > BPNW) > a. Find TDC for cylinder 1 and index the degree wheel to "0 degrees" > Was it top dead centre on the compression stroke or top dead centre on the exhaust stroke and are you sure? After all that work with the degree wheel did you double check it buy visually following the method for installing a camshaft described in the workshop manual? When you installed the distributor was the rotor pointed in the right direction? You mentioned verifying fuel but didn't mention spark. Have you verified that you have a strong spark at the plugs? TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 09:29:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AB3258472A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:29:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639232580449 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140828153000.JMNO22984.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:30:00 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id kFW01o00L0jfpza01FW04A; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:30:00 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=wEvSRdnjBdoA:10 a=fUu4tVc-A6sA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Mh5H3wYlfx3Ux4DPYocA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=sGWf6Wb7Dx-6q5RY:21 a=6A55-7fYMXSacC23:21 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <27BD267D64F041649A9D66CAD88AF743@DaveLaptop> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 08:30:07 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIT99UiSxigx+JX4P5M8DHZuGGuDgCSFi1Im1kohSA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Assuming you have spark. Have you checked your static timing to insure that the distributor timing is correct? Make sure your intake manifold is seated properly on the head. It is very easy to have a gap at the bottom on the 4 cyl tr's , a big gap. It's so easy to do that I've done it 3x now and it's something I know to look for (for the last two times anyway). Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:21 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again On 8/28/14, 8:06 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > I carefully degreed the new camshaft which was a PIA to do with the > engine still in the car by the way. I put the rest of the engine > together and it not only won't start, but won't even "pop". > Here is what I have done so far; > 1. I reviewed again the camshaft timing instructions (BP270 camshaft > from > BPNW) > a. Find TDC for cylinder 1 and index the degree wheel to "0 degrees" > Was it top dead centre on the compression stroke or top dead centre on the exhaust stroke and are you sure? After all that work with the degree wheel did you double check it buy visually following the method for installing a camshaft described in the workshop manual? When you installed the distributor was the rotor pointed in the right direction? You mentioned verifying fuel but didn't mention spark. Have you verified that you have a strong spark at the plugs? TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 09:36:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6939F2584738 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2E4258456A for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 09:36:21 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=wEvSRdnjBdoA:10 a=fUu4tVc-A6sA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o9H2Vhe6bodB2sg-9fAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 a=PZWOPBRNWf-gPhlx:21 a=QD6RjfPTrL9W3ltn:21 a=jljeR/jQddLYXl2Ym5EGwA==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.0] ([10.35.79.0:16616] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id C4/DD-09877-3AC4FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:37:07 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=wEvSRdnjBdoA:10 a=fUu4tVc-A6sA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o9H2Vhe6bodB2sg-9fAA:9 a=PZWOPBRNWf-gPhlx:21 a=QD6RjfPTrL9W3ltn:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50158] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 42/B4-14401-2AC4FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:37:06 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" References: <27BD267D64F041649A9D66CAD88AF743@DaveLaptop> <53FF48C7.9020909@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:41:38 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TeriAnn, As I understand it, TDC is just TDC untill I attach the camshaft right? The rotor is pointing to the #1 spark plug wire (about 11 o'clock I verified the spark by holding a spark plug to the block and having someone turn over the engine and there is a very healthy spark there. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again > On 8/28/14, 8:06 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: >> I carefully degreed the new camshaft which was a PIA to do with the >> engine >> still in the car by the way. I put the rest of the engine together and it >> not >> only won't start, but won't even "pop". >> Here is what I have done so far; >> 1. I reviewed again the camshaft timing instructions (BP270 camshaft from >> BPNW) >> a. Find TDC for cylinder 1 and index the degree wheel to "0 degrees" >> > Was it top dead centre on the compression stroke or top dead centre on the > exhaust stroke and are you sure? > > After all that work with the degree wheel did you double check it buy > visually following the method for installing a camshaft described in the > workshop manual? > > When you installed the distributor was the rotor pointed in the right > direction? > > You mentioned verifying fuel but didn't mention spark. Have you verified > that you have a strong spark at the plugs? > > TeriAnn > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 11:24:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590C8258472C for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89B258080C for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:35938] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C4/6F-31046-FB56FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:24:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:24:15 +0000 From: Randall To: Dave Connitt Sensitivity: Normal 2014 17:24:15 +0000 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave Connitt wrote: > TeriAnn, > As I understand it, TDC is just TDC untill I attach the camshaft right? That's right (tho I'm not TeriAnn). My money is on the intake manifold not being seated or no fuel in the carbs; but a double-check of cam & ignition timing wouldn't hurt. Remove the #1 plug, rocker cover and the distributor cap, then slowly turn the engine forward until the distributor tries to fire #1 (points start to open with rotor pointing at where #1 terminal should be. Now look down the #1 plug hole to see the top of the piston. It should be close enough to see, but if you can't tell for sure, stick a soda straw or similar down the hole. You should be able to feel the top of the piston very close to the hole. Then look at the valves. Both valves for #1 should be loose and have the recommended lash. Both valves for #4 should be open, by roughly the same amount. If those conditions are met, then the cam and ignition timing are close enough for it to at least try to run. A common mistake is to reassemble the front pulley wrong, which puts the TDC mark in the wrong place. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 11:33:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDE32584714 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:33:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64C725845FF for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hy4so1200813vcb.24 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2IMYKhVZJ0x0IElD9bbBEYUdQEHDGr/8UJAAJL9B7II=; b=pp8MPriTk0Qnd/Co1yMV9zcD+N715m/lnlga8cut6wGM4519Y485cVwn5P+0T7wA0t PoTM2RGkmTk+PiffttMJwQepBnqQAQrgkh5raXgTAqHd49ecZYUBzvwLfoiQWfvauz6G F4tvbfHaB9k3E9qPFzrMwtMiBfte+1/xU73ZrfrFtItAnBMByKmanBc+9oeBLnrjm1jA bAX5ZRB06Kec+W8gdlwNu+tpDz4TvMnxKqDwNbJ86CHUiGjw1p++e+RQeMbsw9lmSkia vEe29g3GOP/LvTFcn6BqzfWTK/IQS9QUPNrlnVzl4AdDLtyrqBz4M2OoEfKj6bV+3+Ep HkMA== ol9mr5094325vcb.2.1409247244751; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:34:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <27BD267D64F041649A9D66CAD88AF743@DaveLaptop> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:34:04 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dave Connitt Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > 4. The slot on the distributor drive is pointing to the first pushrod tube > at > TDC on # 1 compression stroke... As I recall... that slot ((or notch) must point *away* from #1 -- it is the rotor itself that points *to* #1. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 12:04:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB372584766 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787DF25845FF for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:02:28 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=BD_bh1JCXm8A:10 a=mPDpJU4GRlYA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=mHiHxzoBINWlj4jUPisA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=trSoIfvfA3WaBKJZPTQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SmZS9OcF1igt-lkj:21 a=olpRIAl4WcEkwSkZyIlu7Q==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.4] ([10.35.79.4:13335] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 9D/79-05727-1EE6FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:03:13 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=BD_bh1JCXm8A:10 a=mPDpJU4GRlYA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=mHiHxzoBINWlj4jUPisA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=trSoIfvfA3WaBKJZPTQA:9 a=SmZS9OcF1igt-lkj:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50101] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 65/C9-03915-0EE6FF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:03:13 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:07:44 -0400 Subject: [TR] Problems getting my TR4A running again-- Update! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I just got it running! It was the intake manifold not being up against the gasket. As I was removing the last nuts holding the intake manifold, it started rocking strangely and after looking at the two holes that the pins on the head plug into, I could tell they had witness marks on them that meant the manifold was not seated correctly. So, after going through that whole assembly process again, it started almost immediately. I ran it for 25 minutes or so at 2,000 RPM and when I let it go back down to idle, it sat there running smoother than it ever did at about 750 RPM which is about 150-200 RPM slower than it ever did before. I think those bronze valve guides were my nemisis all along.. Thanks to all for your help! A special thanks to Jerry Van Vlack for his patience with my phone calls LOL Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 14:06:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0B3258474D for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1412580330 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:06:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.77.6]) by p3plsmtpa11-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id kL6j1o00A089ejJ01L6rmN; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:06:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:06:59 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/C+1K3XoK47ruvTICttxMsfk6q+g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 distributor / vacuum unit` Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have several usable distributors for the cars I am restoring, but all the vacuum units are shot. I see Moss lists various vacuum units depending on the type of distributor: is this a question of fit of is it more complicated than that - a match to the weights or something more intrinsic. So my question is - how important is it to match a vacuum unit to a particular distributor? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 14:28:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6873E25848D2 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:28:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822D2258485C for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:27:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140828202823.ZXKI22984.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:28:23 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id kLUP1o00G0jfpza01LUPLr; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:28:23 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=HhzrUF8rZXwA:10 a=oz07SJ1LmaMA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=vLrl9ToG58mlxhh7jFMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:28:30 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIZLmXyVON80kWFY6fucFz7rTJHZZtToCRQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 distributor / vacuum unit` Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As ever - it depends. I'd just send it off to Advance Distributors and let them have their way with it. They've done 4 for me know and they come back working great and looking better than new. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:07 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 distributor / vacuum unit` I have several usable distributors for the cars I am restoring, but all the vacuum units are shot. I see Moss lists various vacuum units depending on the type of distributor: is this a question of fit of is it more complicated than that - a match to the weights or something more intrinsic. So my question is - how important is it to match a vacuum unit to a particular distributor? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 14:34:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74189258488F for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588FE2580550 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NB100C48AI9FX70@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:34:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: References: <030D75D065DE4A21B818E48F1BAC85BB@DaveLaptop> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:34:56 -0400 Subject: [TR] question about hub stud installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had to replace two rear hub studs on my '56 TR3. It looked like they were pressed in but I found that they are screwed in then peened over on the back of the hub. I don't think I will be able to peen the new studs with simple shop tools. Any suggestions or alternative methods? I was thinking about high strength locktite?? TIA Pete ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 14:40:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27D3258455F for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726342580550 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:40:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hq11so1540255vcb.28 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lRG6Pyu0Z7j3oNVOFK4LMsNKNosOq0it3d9PpdTdzVM=; b=FclZlQqVdricWIgCxhidrMXLFLP4r/RYVQ0pUzeG5g425LKGnPBOKnnDCZ/F6AceDw UmmhXmMJzvchBYcbXOok3SXdzulTLSQ4n5NtCiQF9z0gbSRrmhk/zsOtf/VR3bNLhRuI 6cppWFBs9pIKGqlh6gQPNTAt5abjFpRkdvb146YKaWfon2fBApv7ZV9jJJ0koKH/l77N hUea1dYLDLRFsQRVnwUMDlipykZJkxK8Nsgpgu86Nx1Hthypw72HaVxqx889qZd13dB4 YbU4XVdnEUky2ZXLhNG74YwU7YOI6LzQddM76ANT0v3CuZcCGk2/9H0bzk7LcxIH2LEF rXqQ== ol9mr6409243vcb.2.1409258474259; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:41:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <000301cfc2fb$a5dedde0$f19c99a0$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:41:14 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 distributor / vacuum unit` Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Andrew - I expect the difference is the vacuum advance specs as expressed by three numbers: 4-11-7 in the case of the 40480A and 40698 units. Those numbers are typically stamped on the vacuum unit. The first number is the vacuum where advance begins (in inches of mercury), the second number is the vacuum where advance maxes out and the third number is the maximum advance in crank degrees. You're probably familiar with this page, but in case you're not - here is a pretty comprehensive list of Lucas distributors with applications and vacuum advance numbers: http://www.starchak.ca/tech/pdfs/lucas.pdf Geo On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I have several usable distributors for the cars I am restoring, but all the > vacuum units are shot. I see Moss lists various vacuum units depending on > the type of distributor: is this a question of fit of is it more > complicated than that - a match to the weights or something more intrinsic. > > > > So my question is - how important is it to match a vacuum unit to a > particular distributor? > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 28 16:00:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0327C25845A9 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:00:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AFA25845A9 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:00:49 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:37581] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 8B/51-25476-FB6AFF35; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:01:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:01:35 +0000 From: Randall To: Pete Ryner , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:01:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] question about hub stud installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Pete Ryner wrote: > I had to replace two rear hub studs on my '56 TR3. It looked like they were > pressed in but I found that they are screwed in then peened over on the back > of the hub. I don't think I will be able to peen the new studs with simple > shop tools. Any suggestions or alternative methods? I was thinking about > high strength locktite?? Loctite certainly won't hurt. But you should also be able to peen them over with a punch and BFH. I forget the term for the type of punch, but the angle at the tip is less sharp than a center punch. Make a circle of dimples around the outside edge of the stud, just inside the threads. You used to be able to buy fully threaded studs that would screw in from the back; but I couldn't find them last time I looked. Moroso doesn't make the old part number any more. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 09:39:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4C92584B98 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm46-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BAD258454B for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:37:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2014 15:38:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2014 15:38:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Aug 2014 15:38:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 17508 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Aug 2014 15:38:05 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409326685; bh=4ZU4hD2COlMOKecTv5MtveWn/P6sQfRqY6iy8V/fwNc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=RWivrGYGB817r3BDtfxvYMxTZ8dg8fsMHr/p8DSspXYuG0utopy+M8FpBJ1MVvVitqtk53PwVnEmWNOAY52upJZmZ1JCmOmd78OAQFKo/2GQ7x28PgsMj9uBsqMfcC53uAEuS4s3oXGDVSBG/vueZiVB7ZE6YXZGfiDZSNR/xHU= I1r1YEAHSeZDmcHjiOZSX0ik6W34r9sac99ZdwpPmCeEwP7Grb2ZyC2RAIdQ uHgt.m7hEYcOZr50qg2GluWD6ATXcVBsyjn4fbpiXsXcL3bWuLy5Jvra7ouY sFRRLiv1mF9waNaqVdFwQUm3Tax5a8PtybPsaEkXgxWB.Yu3Xa0Tic.Nd3Lx 25oBqHz7QAiJrvDmQSWGNGUHo5VFaylsvmwLZ2flLWUxeo_SI8HVcnrhcbg5 sJnn0OF0RGQF2ftE9Sv8T5mxnbEQiSkWrIvi1RWDIu1vsCJnwi4CqODsSL8F gLGm6_slx_3L3xdvdNtwxn6mlK8rggjboeCK8mhFU1MEA65Ln0coVmsC7hqj gKy4KwOkqXt9k4OOvX3ixnhk7Iq9AT0GDdmJsSoNsxq.rakHVF3FOUZ3zCZD zQWUPs8mrSXVXQ2HUUtjUaMv4lQLlZKepr0h5dUfY7AuDzp7JTXHea6LWnMT M2gfskvb27aTP5MNy0cKyp9ZKOLvyxo8nHPJn5Mw2e22_Qe9SBg-- Received: from [99.101.58.88] by web161206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:38:05 PDT SGV5IENyYWlnLCBubyAib3RoZXIgd29tYW4iIGludm9sdmVkIGhlcmUsIGp1c3QgYSBUUjYuICBXZSBnb3QgbWFycmllZCBpbiAnNzMgYWZ0ZXIgZGF0aW5nIGZvciB0aHJlZSB5ZWFycy4gIFRoZXJlIHVzZWQgdG8gYmUgYSBUcml1bXBoIGRlYWxlcnNoaXAgbm90IGZvciBmcm9tIG91ciBjcnVpc2luZyByb3V0IGFuZCB3ZSdkIGRyaXZlIGJ5IGFuZCBsdXN0LiAgRXZlbiB0cmllZCBvdXQgYSBicmFuZCBuZXcgVFI2IGFuZCBvZiBjb3Vyc2Ugd2Ugd2VyZSBib3RoIGRlZXBseSBtb3ZlZCBieSB0aGUgZXhwZXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:38:05 -0700 From: John Summers To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Craig's Mid Life crisis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hey Craig, no "other woman" involved here, just a TR6. We got married in '73 after dating for three years. There used to be a Triumph dealership not for from our cruising rout and we'd drive by and lust. Even tried out a brand new TR6 and of course we were both deeply moved by the experience. The car cost, if memory serves me (which it has been failing at doing lately) the price was between 3 and $4,000. This was he 70s and we were just getting started monewise and that seemed like a lot of money to us. We ended up buying a SuperBeetle. Anyway, life goes on with two sons, many jobs, my wife moving up to a six figure income while I became a house husband. There was still an itching for a "sports car" and I still couldn't afford anything with vroooom!! But I could pay $2,800 cash for a beautiful yellow '78 Spitfire. ( if you are on Facebook you can look through my picture albums to see what having my 16 year old son lose control of it one night. Soooo insurance $ + some extra gets me in a nice Frenchblue 74 TR6. I live in Jacksonville Fl.; the car was in Charleston Wva. I'm familiar with that area because we used to live not far from there. The price had been agreed upon using e-mail and a phone call. So, suddenly I can't remember HOW I got there, maybe a rental. Car seemed to work fine to I bought it. My aunt lives 75 miles away in S.E. Ohio so I'll drive over to see her. Funny thing, I asked the seller that if it were him would he be comfortable driving the Triumph from Wva to Florida and I thought his answer peculiar; it was "I wouldn't care to". I tried to pry from him if he meant that negatively of positively. I soon found out. Arriving a my aunts I had too make a left turn into her driveway and boom!!! the car wouldn't go into gear. I finally jammed it into 2nd gear and got it behind her house. I was totally inexperienced in the quirks of TR6s and had to wait two weeks for the only mechanic within 75 miles who could work on it. He did and the car ran fine. So the next day I merrily head back to Florida. Every thing went fire until the first gas stop where the car wouldn't restart. Finally it did (vapor lock??) Second stop Bluefield Wva,,,no start, no shifting. Some good old boy mechanics put their heads together and got my back on the road----all the way to south of Charlotte NC where the same thing happened. Called my wife and her exact words were, "get a trailer and van and haul the damned thing home, which I did. One thing I have discovered since 1998 is our LBC's have a way to live in the shop more than at home. Over the last year mine has spent more time in the shop than at home. It has been up on concrete blocks for peobably 5 months waiting for me to man up, crawl under it, replace the clutch slave cylinder and then the clutch master cylinder. The fluid in the resivoirs was black and I read that means the fluid caused the rubber parts to melt. I'm 65 years of age now and I can attest to the fact that -at least my car- have evolved into a LATE LIFE CRISIS car:)) Thinking about selling it because I can no longer afford to make it the car of my dreams. We always had dreams of driving it on the two lane backroads in late summer, hair blowing in the wind but, my wife became injured and totally disabled in 2000 and in her condition she can't climb in or out of it. So what good is your dream car with no one to share it with. And when I say dream car; MANY, MANY nights I would fall asleep daydreaming about the TR6. I think I'll go crawl under it in my hot/stifiling garage and see if there are any snakes in residence. Cheers & Tally-Ho!! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 10:09:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B7C258541D for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1932584734 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kerV1o00616LCl051g94tX; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:09:04 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kg931o00e2Azwqi3Sg93HS; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:09:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 16:09:03 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: fuel line "olive" Thread-Index: yT5pP3sxbaT+C6/mhUm8iCom+tNJcg== s=q20140121; t=1409328544; bh=2qBxrVv1bmkqnjD3KsqVS9RYMD1jfa+MCfqGMwii5QY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=iAqVFhp1tf2FNL/kNAYpqJpAixPY1z3C14LAKv+z2esnGlOXFATc52mS/zt9TwTaK aFeaZGGT0qZr4931cUpehjI9VhI4+RDp2n0bppEoug4YtFQHVc8bsIsLPODou5K9pu kpkZLhlnMfvzLyQ3zhsy1Ym3GWqQsrky6g8kQawo9PJp3JpwAb1BPwn8TcpEy2rVPk U2JYg3AxspPpJEp82J+O/hNYBVJCALpG2yofvdbRzhYv5G99cPpxuq3h5v+Bx5CzoV kyrtq7Tj4umGFgdMdAB/1Z6UQ7+wzoolo+AxVekll58PxmYe9L+AwJsIBhUFUbFu/O 4Y3IXDsoB0o8w== Subject: [TR] fuel line "olive" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B Has anyone found a source for the proper compression fitting for the fuel lines that connect to the fuel pump on a TR3? Modern fittings, of course, are a bit too short and permit fuel seepage. B TIA, B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 13:58:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9708E2580894 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7A0258043F for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NB300KDZ3HG2X30@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:58:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Randall" , References: <20140828220135.APNXU.84698.root@cdptpa-web24> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:58:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] question about hub stud installation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Randall, Your comment reminded me that I had an air chisel with a punch type tool. Worked great although not as neat as the originals. I also used some strong threadlocking that will have to be heated if I ever want to remove the stud again. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:01 PM To: Pete Ryner ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] question about hub stud installation ---- Pete Ryner wrote: > I had to replace two rear hub studs on my '56 TR3. It looked like they > were > pressed in but I found that they are screwed in then peened over on the > back > of the hub. I don't think I will be able to peen the new studs with > simple > shop tools. Any suggestions or alternative methods? I was thinking about > high strength locktite?? Loctite certainly won't hurt. But you should also be able to peen them over with a punch and BFH. I forget the term for the type of punch, but the angle at the tip is less sharp than a center punch. Make a circle of dimples around the outside edge of the stud, just inside the threads. You used to be able to buy fully threaded studs that would screw in from the back; but I couldn't find them last time I looked. Moroso doesn't make the old part number any more. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 14:35:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AED25845A8 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:35:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtp06-04-2.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [97.74.135.59]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD4025807F9 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:34:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost ([97.74.135.118]) by p3plwbeout06-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with bizsmtp id kkbL1o0012ZSNkp01kbLbj; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:35:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 15380 invoked by uid 99); 29 Aug 2014 20:35:20 -0000 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 5.7.2 From: To: "Triumphs" Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:35:19 -0700 Subject: [TR] stage ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Aug 29 15:28:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403762584595 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD4C2580731 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:47202] helo=cdptpa-web24) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 65/1D-11035-480F0045; Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:28:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 21:28:36 +0000 From: Randall To: dave@ranteer.com, Triumphs Sensitivity: Normal 2014 21:28:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] stage ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My direct reply got bounced, so here it is through the list: Can't send attachments through the Team.Net lists. Best you can do is post the photo on a web site or forum someplace, then post a link to that on the list. I'm always interested in old ads, though; so if you want, you can send it to me directly and I'll do the rest. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Aug 30 08:04:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924D25845E4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 08:04:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C00258075E for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 08:03:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [98.117.90.163]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NB4009HDHRNNP40@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 09:04:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 10:04:35 -0400 To: " List" Subject: [TR] Stag parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am sure this is a strange request for STAG parts. I need a block with main caps and crankshaft. Nothing else, no rods/pistons, heads, etc. They also don't need to be useable parts. Can have bad bores, crank journals, broken. Also need flywheel or flex plate. Adapter plates to transmission manual and automatic. I am working on a plan to install a 5 speed gearbox in a Stag and need these parts for measuring and to mock up the fitting. Would like to do a 4 speed conversion first and then tackle a conversion of an automatic. If you have anything connect me direct and we will work out something. Would also like to know if there are any Stag owners that would be interested in such a package if I can keep the cost reasonable. Dean T. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 08:04:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EEB2584C31 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:04:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600c.its.queensu.ca (bc600c.its.queensu.ca [130.15.122.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0DF2580777 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:03:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600c.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id omjKY8USGxeEC12u for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 10:06:17 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: " List" Thread-Topic: TR4A Air Duct Mounting Thread-Index: Ac/FIsfsVpVZCiKlRwK/6KCIREH48g== Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:06:16 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm currently in the process of installing the GoodParts stainless steel radiator air duct in my TR4A and have a small problem. My 1967 TR4A is a very late one - CTC78390L - and the upper valance panel to which the top piece of air duct mounts is V shaped putting the middle mounting point 1/2 inch or so in front of the two others. I wonder if TRIUMPH maybe switched to a TR250 style late in the run? I had encountered this problem with the two previous "cardboard" ducts but had simply ignored the mid-point mount. Anyone else been there - done this? I've asked Richard Good for comments. ... and thanks to John Donnelly and Dave Connitt for recommending GoodParts - I'm very impressed with the overall quality of the product! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 08:33:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2B42584C43 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD9F258079E for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:33:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lSbm1o0041qFPpX01Sbm7c; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 07:35:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:35:35 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, My recently acquired GT6+ is equipped with an O/D (yea!) but the safety switch mounted at the distal end of the gearbox extension only allows for 4th gear operation. I saw a picture of a safety switch mounted more or less over the forks.. question is/are is this a MK3 improvement or is it a extension assembly from a TR other car that just happens to interchange? Dave in Abq. -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 09:02:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6BB2584C47 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:02:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E057E2580801 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id 3g07HbFmnXrrCvGw; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:04:20 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: Jerry Van Vlack , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Thread-Index: Ac/FIsfsVpVZCiKlRwK/6KCIREH48gAJc6OAAAeN1eA= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:04:20 +0000 References: <560C245B97F04D72B540247BE237CE30@VlackTK121647> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Jerry for the comment. The V shape certainly appears to be factory. I've only had the car for 25 years and can't comment on any accidents before my time. I did hit a deer about 4 years ago and while the hood was displaced rearwards, the grill and bumper escaped any damage. Besides, I had installed a cardboard duct before then and had the same problem. I find it interesting that Richard offers a different product for the TR250. >From the pictures it appears the 250 doesn't have the overflow bottle cut-out - maybe the top piece is also different? ... and no, I haven't looked at a TR250 yet - perhaps a 250 list member can comment? Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv@roadrunner.com] Sent: August-31-14 10:23 AM To: Brian Thomas Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Interesting, I worked with Richard on his prototype to assure fit and function, we mostly were concerned about the radiator overflow bottle. The final version fit my car perfectly. (CTC69150l) Richard makes a 250 air duct and if you need a different top piece he may be able to use a 250 top with the 4A sides. Not speaking for him but that may be a solution. I'd guess I'd be interested in determining if in fact 250 and 4A upper valances are different with that V shape. Intuitively, I can't imagine why that would be changed as the body basically stayed the same in that area. Is it at all possible that your car was damaged at some point resulting in that V shape? Have you looked at a 250 to see if they are different? JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brian Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:06 AM To: List Subject: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting I'm currently in the process of installing the GoodParts stainless steel radiator air duct in my TR4A and have a small problem. My 1967 TR4A is a very late one - CTC78390L - and the upper valance panel to which the top piece of air duct mounts is V shaped putting the middle mounting point 1/2 inch or so in front of the two others. I wonder if TRIUMPH maybe switched to a TR250 style late in the run? I had encountered this problem with the two previous "cardboard" ducts but had simply ignored the mid-point mount. Anyone else been there - done this? I've asked Richard Good for comments. ... and thanks to John Donnelly and Dave Connitt for recommending GoodParts - I'm very impressed with the overall quality of the product! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8132 - Release Date: 08/31/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 09:45:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA16A258087C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DE7258087C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:44:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id la4so4443923vcb.23 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=owVYhn6IgHIC+aNk9XiXlFLyWQzN1WzkRAYsFRWsLWE=; b=YJmRJGuf8KXd9DegAO0r9btQsN3zlVGGgVLWeJeXkvjYjnWgXzNUT2rna22vkiXd4C +NjWhB4MxLrKzGd9Afu9pvwxTWbhx1PSUqfADzjrlq64/nxYxHuN1mzVnNyK9w5u+zgw j7Ua2O/XHoPpC7YGD2F7kcG249rvFHf8IFgtEGtIeJCkcfKFphuSjME5Isb31Jp0EAQO DqKslpHbDuUEwpq3Hc7SXY/TqZg3sS8IlBOzXiuLuMcDwIFvd5Oydy8m9SLNUzE60aj6 FYgzdk+UFfvy7Oo0I3RbELrJfIa0fWQnyrPU98uVCYD69YVb7p6K/sdhU12sQ0Y8nzN2 aQ4A== a8mr3073360vcf.42.1409500019316; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 08:46:59 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brian Thomas Cc: " List" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just to research w/o leaving my chair... I Googled images for the TR4 engine and the TR250 engine to compare: TR4 TR250 I'm not seeing anything I would call a V - or any other differences in that area. Geo On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:06 AM, Brian Thomas wrote: > I'm currently in the process of installing the GoodParts stainless steel > radiator air duct in my TR4A and have a small problem. > > My 1967 TR4A is a very late one - CTC78390L - and the upper valance panel > to > which the top piece of air duct mounts is V shaped putting the middle > mounting > point 1/2 inch or so in front of the two others. I wonder if TRIUMPH maybe > switched to a TR250 style late in the run? > > I had encountered this problem with the two previous "cardboard" ducts but > had > simply ignored the mid-point mount. > > Anyone else been there - done this? > > I've asked Richard Good for comments. > > ... and thanks to John Donnelly and Dave Connitt for recommending > GoodParts - > I'm very impressed with the overall quality of the product! > > Cheers, > > Brian > _______________________________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 > XKR, > 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H 2Y0 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 09:48:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C43D2584C5C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE694258087C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 09:48:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.77.168.115] ([74.77.168.115:51530] helo=VlackTK121647) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 14/2C-08080-45443045; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:50:45 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "Brian Thomas" , References: <560C245B97F04D72B540247BE237CE30@VlackTK121647> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:50:49 -0400 a=I++m45kDPXbCgdSF5Y/xMw==:117 a=I++m45kDPXbCgdSF5Y/xMw==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=HZozj5r9scQA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=PB0S9JEhn9Yf6FCd7r4A:9 a=FDVNdcW9oHyCp7dL:21 a=CgrbdS-RLz8jJeHN:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=Wj3drqzez5wA:10 a=RGmMtM-5tXoA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to the overflow bottle difference there may be a difference in either the width or the placement of the 250 radiator requiring in different side panel length and angle.With the 6 cyl engine my guess is that the radiator is placed in a different location. Come to think of it that would also negate the use of the top panel as it's length and width would be different too. JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brian Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:04 AM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Thanks Jerry for the comment. The V shape certainly appears to be factory. I've only had the car for 25 years and can't comment on any accidents before my time. I did hit a deer about 4 years ago and while the hood was displaced rearwards, the grill and bumper escaped any damage. Besides, I had installed a cardboard duct before then and had the same problem. I find it interesting that Richard offers a different product for the TR250. >From the pictures it appears the 250 doesn't have the overflow bottle cut-out - maybe the top piece is also different? ... and no, I haven't looked at a TR250 yet - perhaps a 250 list member can comment? Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv@roadrunner.com] Sent: August-31-14 10:23 AM To: Brian Thomas Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting Interesting, I worked with Richard on his prototype to assure fit and function, we mostly were concerned about the radiator overflow bottle. The final version fit my car perfectly. (CTC69150l) Richard makes a 250 air duct and if you need a different top piece he may be able to use a 250 top with the 4A sides. Not speaking for him but that may be a solution. I'd guess I'd be interested in determining if in fact 250 and 4A upper valances are different with that V shape. Intuitively, I can't imagine why that would be changed as the body basically stayed the same in that area. Is it at all possible that your car was damaged at some point resulting in that V shape? Have you looked at a 250 to see if they are different? JVV -----Original Message----- From: Brian Thomas Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 10:06 AM To: List Subject: [TR] TR4A Air Duct Mounting I'm currently in the process of installing the GoodParts stainless steel radiator air duct in my TR4A and have a small problem. My 1967 TR4A is a very late one - CTC78390L - and the upper valance panel to which the top piece of air duct mounts is V shaped putting the middle mounting point 1/2 inch or so in front of the two others. I wonder if TRIUMPH maybe switched to a TR250 style late in the run? I had encountered this problem with the two previous "cardboard" ducts but had simply ignored the mid-point mount. Anyone else been there - done this? I've asked Richard Good for comments. ... and thanks to John Donnelly and Dave Connitt for recommending GoodParts - I'm very impressed with the overall quality of the product! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv@roadrunner.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8132 - Release Date: 08/31/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4745 / Virus Database: 4015/8132 - Release Date: 08/31/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 12:45:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4BC2584448 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:45:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8CF2580B37 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 10so4895880lbg.17 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:47:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OlmGKqC5w3NWpFkL3825xISl/0dBsUzYG3OYcouqB6s=; b=HKk+KVkM3LwdRD3lO5+iERwwrDl1DYo/pmOlHQc6AsJs13V3NonirJUWQuDhiZpdGm +BGgdCx2m+DVL7vKwR3QkpbDVgxQyCWgtQZNwler1l369IHi3fpAvJplxuRf1fBnUIR1 5gwMVHPnXayvSkijzp0FZhdytjIgcp/j5FxBdnmj7kp9sVJt3zlY8pwZ2xmC0+fdTWU7 Lgh9sIGUGy433Xr8i9GxTNlXJDV6Sj0EkO7flzia1xLoYPaSg1KlzoaZcLzfmKZK+yJd S9R1NPRMmmOSNClLT90aLC8cRgsC/nb/PejA5jC3V55gjqRm0mAogdB39cmDuGzyVMJl o8Fg== c8mr24550396lag.64.1409510833937; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <785359526.8124183.1409328424841.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <1484400009.8125745.1409328543830.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:47:13 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: fogbro1@comcast.net Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] fuel line "olive" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recall someone posted a picture of how they took two modern olives, cut the taper of of one end of each, and then installed them butted together. But I can't recall where I saw it... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:09 PM, wrote: > List, > B > Has anyone found a source for the proper compression fitting for the fuel > lines that connect to the fuel pump on a TR3? Modern fittings, of course, are > a bit too short and permit fuel seepage. > B > TIA, > B > Ed Woods > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 12:51:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8528E2584C54 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:51:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3172580B4A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 9C/54-11035-B3F63045; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:53:47 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'triumph list'" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:53:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/FTBeHjYVYkRJATYKLpst+jXkDmwAALqLQ Subject: Re: [TR] fuel line "olive" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I recall someone posted a picture of how they took two modern olives, > cut the taper of of one end of each, and then installed them butted > together. But I can't recall where I saw it... http://tinyurl.com/nptltzp Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 12:59:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D61D2584C54 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:59:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A202580809 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:59:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id n15so4809790lbi.40 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pv92XvRyo0jpDtlHUjeyhmrya8iM1rN38yYhfGwu1UM=; b=rGHIcBWxqlLq+qLc1dGqp6z2a2REcMXXGp2ljVuq936NFRb9cbQIzODycmG1tQAyeK WHSa/JmtK5a+dWwYMjrk9P6CpEeT2FmaT90Yss9Dm8DdXCPjSeoofGMptlXMN3tPb8Ps Ru2ULIPvtajh7Er8jQnJ7aEkFY57QCLQMXDfoKbg1YjzdoogbeqMFkyBILTWsGjxXZlw QKq1kXP4SriLJCbNDezMF9zWrRvXTJbFH33KH18zV/f+o+8ZaaI77FGKVuDK7Z6sI2eK xBfFnyOJDdwn6HpkXx9GGWs5hWHwi+w6J2LAALE+4taiuT4sEykYpofYarU0K+0sodjb sGAQ== lc5mr5850162lac.45.1409511710180; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <540332B7.4060104@porterscustom.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:01:50 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: David Porter Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Not being intimate with the GT6 transmission, but assuming that it works the same as the Spitfire and TR6 gearboxes, the switch should operate via a notch in the shaft, or a notch in the fork. As I understand it, the switch dropping into the notch locks out the signal to the solenoid. The OD switch on the column/shift knob remains engaged, and so shifting between gears keeps the OD working except for the brief period when the lever passes through neutral where the switch plunger drops into the notch.. So, the position of the switch mounting shouldn't affect whether or not it works in 3rd gear. I'm guessing you have some other problem, but what it is is still a mystery. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM, David Porter wrote: > Listers, > My recently acquired GT6+ is equipped with an O/D (yea!) but the safety > switch mounted at the distal end of the gearbox extension only allows for > 4th gear operation. I saw a picture of a safety switch mounted more or less > over the forks.. question is/are is this a MK3 improvement or is it a > extension assembly from a TR other car that just happens to interchange? > Dave in Abq. > > -- > Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 > 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 13:22:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CF42584600 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B63C2580840 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:22:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id gl10so4976630lab.38 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FGZtFD8OcXUhWh+at4LxPhyvTFFAxws+9oFGJL46MZs=; b=VtTcTL7vok6eJ8ffmllVnDoKQnPnpORKSKMhqArbm7X3WOKNySfI7lqXQXC+FrqEGX xMZZylkNQWBJ2ckiE+yn7r2336QtrrVPNMe+IdNfWDTIK3W8qimNU/1M32S4DvF4Xq64 DMec7SKomKHqbDsj5DNJhOjZyN3jHiaDE8vLrTCextyT60WcJlvvgXl4lth0a5VAWwX6 2KHm414wrf72R02eXNS05iE41dLN3j0TEeOYCbDUWgdYb/ltGLagGNyA2YhhsLW0otTE 9hYl9N85TTHBOz70oo7q18Fxr9Rpsc2vbchKeKRQIYOSKGrS7GtMUVKgteGngNZKSoe1 wL8Q== pv6mr3224081lbb.105.1409513096139; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.80.103 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.80.103 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:24:56 -0400 From: Will Daehler To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Engine won't restart when hot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm at wits end, this problem happened at first after a short 10 minute jaunt to the grocery store. After letting the car sit for an hour, the engine restarted fine. But I had been served the warning, and thought it was time to do the standard maintenance tune up operations. I replaced the coil, the condenser, the points, adjusted the valve lash. Installed new distributor cap, and all new wires, new spark plugs, and my new rotor is the red type . My carburetors are rebuilt and freshly cleaned. I'm using SU dash pot oil, and I'm following the wisdom of the list and the manuals everywhere I can. My very last no-start event, I pulled that caps off the float bowls, and confirmed that I had gas in both, and that the floats were floating. So when the engine is running, it runs well and the car goes likes stink. I was up to 88 miles per hour last month. But stop the car for a minute, and it's nearly impossible to restart unless I wait an hour and a half. Its like my gasoline is made from water, and won't ignite. I have the Ted Schumacher gear reduction starter motor and a strong battery, I'm not limited by the number of cranks. It just won't fire!!!! What can I check? What can I do? Looking for suggestions. National VTR is two weeks, and it's going to be embarrassing. My gut feel is that my carbs are set way too rich. Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 13:23:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD942584597 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:23:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422012584597 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lXR11o00H1qFPpX01XR15A; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:25:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:24:51 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <540332B7.4060104@porterscustom.com> Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No, this particular installation relies on an external contact by the gear shift lever itself. Not an internal position of the 3rd/4th shift rod. The usual Lucas pressure switch is mounted on the side at the very rearmost part of the extension assembly, not on the top in the more or less center section... this allows only using O/D in 4th gear.. better than nothing I guess.. Dave On 8/31/2014 1:01 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Not being intimate with the GT6 transmission, but assuming that it > works the same as the Spitfire and TR6 gearboxes, the switch should > operate via a notch in the shaft, or a notch in the fork. As I > understand it, the switch dropping into the notch locks out the signal > to the solenoid. The OD switch on the column/shift knob remains > engaged, and so shifting between gears keeps the OD working except > for the brief period when the lever passes through neutral where the > switch plunger drops into the notch.. > > So, the position of the switch mounting shouldn't affect whether or > not it works in 3rd gear. I'm guessing you have some other problem, > but what it is is still a mystery. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM, David Porter > wrote: >> Listers, >> My recently acquired GT6+ is equipped with an O/D (yea!) but the safety >> switch mounted at the distal end of the gearbox extension only allows for >> 4th gear operation. I saw a picture of a safety switch mounted more or less >> over the forks.. question is/are is this a MK3 improvement or is it a >> extension assembly from a TR other car that just happens to interchange? >> Dave in Abq. >> >> -- >> Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 >> 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 13:40:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436FB2584C54 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:40:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014F5258087D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:40:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lXio1o00B1qFPpX01XiouS; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 12:42:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:42:38 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Will Daehler , triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine won't restart when hot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will, The basics are where to start. Pull the spark plugs and visually examine for excessive wetness. While they are out check the compression, is it within normal limits. Also check that the points are actually opening. Roll the car in 4th gear and watch the opening as the cam rotates. When they are closed, key on, open them manually and watch for a small spark, does it spark each time? The 4's run the fuel line very close to the thermostat housing. Is it so close as to exacerbate a "vapor lock" condition. Remove a carb piston and see if fuel is bubbling up through the jet head when hot. Depending on the chokes installed, if manual Strombergs, the tiny rubber O-rings fail and will flood the engine quickly when hot. Note: when a flooded condition occurs hold the throttle in a wide open position to clear the flooding. Dave follow up if you are able.. On 8/31/2014 1:24 PM, Will Daehler wrote: > I'm at wits end, this problem happened at first after a short 10 minute > jaunt to the grocery store. After letting the car sit for an hour, the > engine restarted fine. But I had been served the warning, and thought it > was time to do the standard maintenance tune up operations. I replaced the > coil, the condenser, the points, adjusted the valve lash. Installed new > distributor cap, and all new wires, new spark plugs, and my new rotor is > the red type . My carburetors are rebuilt and freshly cleaned. I'm using SU > dash pot oil, and I'm following the wisdom of the list and the manuals > everywhere I can. > My very last no-start event, I pulled that caps off the float bowls, and > confirmed that I had gas in both, and that the floats were floating. > > So when the engine is running, it runs well and the car goes likes stink. I > was up to 88 miles per hour last month. But stop the car for a minute, and > it's nearly impossible to restart unless I wait an hour and a half. Its > like my gasoline is made from water, and won't ignite. I have the Ted > Schumacher gear reduction starter motor and a strong battery, I'm not > limited by the number of cranks. It just won't fire!!!! > > What can I check? What can I do? Looking for suggestions. > > National VTR is two weeks, and it's going to be embarrassing. > My gut feel is that my carbs are set way too rich. > > Will Daehler > 63 TR4 Powder Blue > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 13:49:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A81E2584CDB for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:49:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com (omr-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.75]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DCA258087D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:48:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.207]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4671B702F739C; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dob004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.160.141]) by mtaomg-mad01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 24E8038000081; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) To: will.daehler@gmail.com, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1409514673; bh=Z3IP9HhVbgV20wGYvKV3s6N8hHn8CcGB64e/pNTwgA4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aIfI5krimUVnuAf3slaWZb+hX+riRLnWEpBsahH1fkBgTZ6n94PyO0cJfKl2r59RV nId9C9uvD7U6fcglgPIDYoMCW/SlYeDklCUjNl8ecIe2ADoTCH3BTZYzks+Q4j1BlJ 3pmvNtPF1D8Zw13DzuMp/j3Ph+aax/6pJXSkICGo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1addcf54037cb16c33 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine won't restart when hot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net But, Will, did you check for spark (at the plugs) at the same moment that you were in a no-start situation? Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1962 TR4 CT2052L In a message dated 8/31/2014 3:25:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, will.daehler@gmail.com writes: My very last no-start event, I pulled that caps off the float bowls, and confirmed that I had gas in both, and that the floats were floating. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 13:52:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8782584B4D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:52:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm13-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm13-vm1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.220]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3DA2584B4D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 13:52:16 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409514898; bh=R0ndszsCMsBRBfdVlBmnsgXA/HQXrR1r4N12VdeU8s8=; b=YEuM23JB3puFLYQqUD/bkGrS9YYvh5MZF+YfPlEY96ku7SrmPnN2bEon5TgvNNiQrbpzkezGZHSm0FN9LuEj1/4r3uUj/0hXk0aoX9iojy3YwyLhHaJRbTqBrgbogaCbuiEmklUFRHuYA1KmApL0lRaVqh/v7+ScNACZgSY9sUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=3GoZFEa+qb+mSL3Gs9KBQuOGi1U0HGAwTHHKuAdobS6Bd1bSK99XYiKkxXama3DG+jDAKXeyIjFL3GcKB4S5cfiYew9r5LgFA/7cli+4PBf0YX0EId4eb92mRxo9NrH8/bHoZqyU44EJia2mQZ3GgRwxIlOt9t0MetqrYzkCncU=; Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm13.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.214] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 19:54:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 19:54:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409514898; bh=R0ndszsCMsBRBfdVlBmnsgXA/HQXrR1r4N12VdeU8s8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=pujUJqvD9MJ1g7HZDjlqGouitPdDz6dZwlQoeSXcdJw7MxXVihivyXbGSz6tVPcW1N51sb2NXchaUruwZJipyFMlu5I7We0D5JuzC19GIH/MP9Lu7+2nnrI9Bg7T/0W2XJqYTUUcb7lxh+zaQNdT3nBDDgt/DJeT7spZRt2BAJY= HRzYOf0Thu7AmcwwTJgmaYFCdJRM6v3bx0w3mYLsAeN_EA4kx0eXx_pZ1UP3 YH4XlR2YdKo3VPto2W0tRSPwRVUeQQCaKp.KoOG5ptaYYqvZtbq9diRbVNj9 VCa8ndEBDwRn3Cm30DrbAMUzqqAO9toYZdlY2wKM1_XHIJWxE8sUsSoWpSr3 7iwjUdzYZHB5WRFnnUL.7nG_4uWYsJNkcsDG5U_G..opmVlzrUHadeQkzUFw MGq.BIAN._TvVj_j.W6cGGCTF1_xrNuNGhf5qx2Kke6iyKdc9DVGCrYVaJEq H_IRbCCvG9fac0Q8Zg88NhO_wiw1tpcwDk2DmT_wMMWEjZ1VqopcBERRFzS0 VM0f__AIU7b6ECQOkNmHHDSLnFLKIhejHsxgGgMj3YlF2rVcXY6TKHXFltNr LrE2_uHioscDuryInPCaDBsfSmVUuRxpCMG2zLHXS7KLzAtYX8PYV2ZxmTSG bHtrKkbSXCDenlQ4a59OylSq3Zdwn8FaHB.2CTdvZ8znslOWFUh6sJzhjMzX LVHC7ZsEXwmiHRqr2RTUuNCNlz3IgmHzj.PI- References: From: Wbeech Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:54:55 -0500 To: Will Daehler Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Engine won't restart when hot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net By your comment about the gas I presume you are seeing wet plugs after a short session of no-start cranking. Have you leaned out the carbs a couple of flats as a time and rechecked your plug color? If you are satisfied with the fuel side, try replacing the ignition parts from the tune up with the old ones you know to be good. I would start with the condenser. You don't mention the coil, the heat problem could be there. You could relocate it, insulate it , or replace it to see if it resolves you issue. Sent from mobile Bill On Aug 31, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Will Daehler wrote: I'm at wits end, this problem happened at first after a short 10 minute jaunt to the grocery store. After letting the car sit for an hour, the engine restarted fine. But I had been served the warning, and thought it was time to do the standard maintenance tune up operations. I replaced the coil, the condenser, the points, adjusted the valve lash. Installed new distributor cap, and all new wires, new spark plugs, and my new rotor is the red type . My carburetors are rebuilt and freshly cleaned. I'm using SU dash pot oil, and I'm following the wisdom of the list and the manuals everywhere I can. My very last no-start event, I pulled that caps off the float bowls, and confirmed that I had gas in both, and that the floats were floating. So when the engine is running, it runs well and the car goes likes stink. I was up to 88 miles per hour last month. But stop the car for a minute, and it's nearly impossible to restart unless I wait an hour and a half. Its like my gasoline is made from water, and won't ignite. I have the Ted Schumacher gear reduction starter motor and a strong battery, I'm not limited by the number of cranks. It just won't fire!!!! What can I check? What can I do? Looking for suggestions. National VTR is two weeks, and it's going to be embarrassing. My gut feel is that my carbs are set way too rich. Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 16:40:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA2D2584EEB for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2802580B37 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:40:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 3C/48-31046-9E4A3045; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:42:50 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:42:51 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/FUVQK7QhuZCNCSjyTpcuNfNLEOAAGp/Aw Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > this allows only using O/D in 4th > gear.. better than nothing I guess.. Just a SWAG, but the GT6 used the D-type OD which was marginal even behind the much smaller Spitfire motor. My _guess_ is that they limited it to 4th gear because the OD could not handle the engine torque multiplied by the 3rd gear ratio. I don't know how the ratios work out on the GT6, but on the TR2-6, 3rd OD is so close to 4th direct that it's almost not a separate gear. That's not to say 3rd OD is totally useless, but it's also not a big loss, IMO. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 16:49:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DF2584ED1 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:49:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D901025808F3 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:49:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lasX1o0011qFPpX01asXyG; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:52:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:52:21 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jeff Scarbrough References: <540332B7.4060104@porterscustom.com> <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 8/31/2014 1:24 PM, David Porter wrote: > No, > this particular installation relies on an external contact by the > gear shift lever itself. Not an internal position of the 3rd/4th shift > rod. The usual Lucas pressure switch is mounted on the side at the > very rearmost part of the extension assembly, not on the top in the > more or less center section... this allows only using O/D in 4th > gear.. better than nothing I guess.. > Dave > On 8/31/2014 1:01 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: >> Not being intimate with the GT6 transmission, but assuming that it >> works the same as the Spitfire and TR6 gearboxes, the switch should >> operate via a notch in the shaft, or a notch in the fork. As I >> understand it, the switch dropping into the notch locks out the signal >> to the solenoid. The OD switch on the column/shift knob remains >> engaged, and so shifting between gears keeps the OD working except >> for the brief period when the lever passes through neutral where the >> switch plunger drops into the notch.. >> >> So, the position of the switch mounting shouldn't affect whether or >> not it works in 3rd gear. I'm guessing you have some other problem, >> but what it is is still a mystery. >> >> Jeff Scarbrough >> Corrosion Acres, Ga. >> >> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:35 AM, David Porter >> wrote: >>> Listers, >>> My recently acquired GT6+ is equipped with an O/D (yea!) but the >>> safety >>> switch mounted at the distal end of the gearbox extension only >>> allows for >>> 4th gear operation. I saw a picture of a safety switch mounted more >>> or less >>> over the forks.. question is/are is this a MK3 improvement or is it a >>> extension assembly from a TR other car that just happens to >>> interchange? >>> Dave in Abq. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM >>> 87107 >>> 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com >> > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 17:01:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADACD2584F07 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:01:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE38625808F3 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lb4X1o0021qFPpX01b4XFY; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:04:32 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:04:21 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 CC: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" References: <540332B7.4060104@porterscustom.com> <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <5403A725.2000609@porterscustom.com> Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, I have resolved the switch issue. A generous lister has the correct factory adapter that allows 3rd and 4th gear O/D operation. Happily I don't have to settle for only one additional gear... yea! thanks to all who offered their thoughts! Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 17:15:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CDC2584EAD for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:15:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB5B258467A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:14:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.67.71]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lbHS1o00X1YFJdy01bHa4Z; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:17:36 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Randall'" References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:17:47 -0400 Thread-Index: AQLooZHg1ySxL3/H9PuqojjXQL5IRZm5oBLQ Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, but if you are on a tight winding road, it's fun just to kick the car in and out of overdrive in third rather than shift up and down. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:43 PM Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch > this allows only using O/D in 4th > gear.. better than nothing I guess.. Just a SWAG, but the GT6 used the D-type OD which was marginal even behind the much smaller Spitfire motor. My _guess_ is that they limited it to 4th gear because the OD could not handle the engine torque multiplied by the 3rd gear ratio. I don't know how the ratios work out on the GT6, but on the TR2-6, 3rd OD is so close to 4th direct that it's almost not a separate gear. That's not to say 3rd OD is totally useless, but it's also not a big loss, IMO. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 17:30:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CAF2584EAD for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:30:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0B2258467A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq11so4653177vcb.8 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=jE/+d5pVDEV1/Il2M03KTLri5oDL8TTiuN8ovmv5ZBM=; b=yOcAYLPBcyx2QRtQIxawaCCRDoHHzQ1Ve1HwJhSK0K5+dTliKLst2EK/NTpVWg34b/ A/lMsQDfLWMo6/lJ3w2ny13uC32bJh6q/Yqzy3x2Z06kHa5Yy0FonnJzH+RavU63DEVD MNlV4bd9+a8HQ1gac48434BFrXXyZOR1AeUYSHKhNYDPJlCpSrK5nq/CVyj+naHaZiET zRZbYtlruJUuRtujhAXdLaFNMAJDyG8pkOSzJqbXk/QdRPnm9WsudJugWBetl4EBhe1p oGs+2L7f9No52MGNeVNdU+004LQN8Sa8wf3rjvAPrHGhpfsWE1xKgVlgv5hIALKsKdWA owbA== tg15mr64011vdb.53.1409527973164; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:32:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> <00b201cfc571$ccdcea40$6696bec0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:32:53 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net And on a mountain grade of about 6% (and no traffic to slow you down) 3rd OD is my gear of choice as 4th isn't quite enough and 3rd is definitely too much. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > Yes, but if you are on a tight winding road, it's fun just to kick the car > in and out of overdrive in third rather than shift up and down. > > Andrew Uprichard > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Randall > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 6:43 PM > Cc: 'Triumphs' > Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch > > > this allows only using O/D in 4th > > gear.. better than nothing I guess.. > > Just a SWAG, but the GT6 used the D-type OD which was marginal even behind > the much smaller Spitfire motor. My _guess_ is that they limited it to 4th > gear because the OD could not handle the engine torque multiplied by the > 3rd > gear ratio. > > I don't know how the ratios work out on the GT6, but on the TR2-6, 3rd OD > is > so close to 4th direct that it's almost not a separate gear. That's not to > say 3rd OD is totally useless, but it's also not a big loss, IMO. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 17:57:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019962584F19 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:57:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA0D2584B4D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:57:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2014 00:00:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 23:57:16 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.176] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 23:57:16 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.232] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 23:57:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2014 23:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 33864 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2014 23:57:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409529435; bh=A/ZmVZ27Vu1C7siCHaFnJo9ullq0rpr61tvTK2IG7v8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FGbm29JsvSz4OHtcZvW+qNCnfYPaNhCFLuhhmyJcE/yqcn4O66Jjlb/dI02SuX248iF5eTsHfU6bnytw+w9gSsGLMRZdlIYoitSz3DROUXDk5+/MOZwiGYdF4xGHFyq+Rx0/6PbmQmdOLopmSKglUDOD/8qnA2sDlX527Wp+T0g= GkN7oq9N850NncGVBaTXISUmKHXQWwGEaycApNzUuqStcf1xV2vWPl_iUjhP ffJAA_8lIhmHonurjLkZ1PZyi4dnVv7r7oJpjQDjfPC0yo5r_REVWGFAoiLq wGSnwD8TQQLBI_wKk3jVmSjk7MxdRh4KXbc2lCQrjJhBAUspL_7RBWF8hitk qc16leRP8E2SJA9S6n557BawoYS7a1eF_UReSa1JiJjm6QjqNUVkOftzMPu6 ckoodm86zw58ymsrvhoNBn2ejFZtqf5VPuuH1k48f1tpPqU9JZTDBQx.g9EF 3mt8QA0kFqmO7qgO9nPsN8pqtBCVpWcQjvRB0jC2OHBdpvjdB9Pz5KfS5hXr .WUe0wHmcyTV_TzDdKxG_EzuEUuittSaLCneGWlJgVybjGXyj8ihfYJ45_zD cboYQu6PzCwwaTSEVLXofQRzuEWWApeZtZ0Q3HmkFISF2XXtOtut_bQoHP1d UqNtdI5D0RaVUnJjFCuTjv6khvi437ThQzguu4Lyznks69B4MugaYdxcZVAF oJVjx50wo7mt6Lf25E3VdmC6QwXESNMFY93Hrnb_1jOrEd8uOs4GwOHNKUtT mGwY52EiOnIfr3vpGgH.NNPTML7n_RtbhBYjQkrYjWGng2LFxGeqIyjcI2e8 khBG_hGluNqmjn3Oi4iwjmMgt55C09jAMzUsNFKTTJrcTcS_hNui4Q5uVVIJ IkxIkEj6nng-- Received: from [71.84.105.101] by web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:57:15 PDT ICAgICBJIGhhdmUgbW9tZW50cyBvZiB3ZWFrbmVzcyBhbmQgY29uc2lkZXIgcHVyY2hhc2luZyBhIEphZy4gSXQgc2VlbXMgdG8gbWUgdGhhdCBzb21lIEUtdHlwZSBwcmljZXMgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGRyb3BwaW5nIHJlY2VudGx5LgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy5hdXRvdHJhZGVyY2xhc3NpY3MuY29tL2NsYXNzaWMtY2FyLzE5NjctSmFndWFyLUVfVHlwZS0xNjM3ODIyLnhodG1sP2NvbnZlcnNhdGlvbklkPTg5ODgzCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmF1dG90cmFkZXJjbGFzc2ljcy5jb20vY2xhc3NpYy1jYXIvMTk2OS1KYWd1YXIBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:57:15 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] E-Type Prices Drop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have moments of weakness and consider purchasing a Jag. It seems to me that some E-type prices have been dropping recently. http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1967-Jaguar-E_Type-1637822.xhtml?conversationId=89883 http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-E_Type-1568202.xhtml?conversationId=89883 http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-XK_E-1698307.xhtml?conversationId=89883 Triumph owners understand that there is no such thing as a cheap Jag. If you can't afford a good one you certainly can't afford a bad one... These three examples look like pretty good cars at pretty low prices. I mean, they are down to TR6 prices. Am I missing something? Has anyone else been following the E-type prices and come up with the same conclusion? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 19:07:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0789D2584F10 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00980258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:07:21 -0600 (MDT) s=alpha; t=1409533803; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:Cc:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type:To; b=Xeu5RZvboTN/a1NnnEoC35YHODXIuKILKTP61ulXSNtpM4corA243+nJKRh7vyFcZ 3zHKhInRvr7qDpxBPVSV1OFXDvU2hEFPASHKFcDLC6KRWZZNYbDufwz5RVwCGbiS7P Q/itHDlZuhSrWZ+dFPmgKfVhLXCGV4wwTqTw+ENM= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail05.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.145]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABLAHT5EAX2TRXS for (sender ); Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [50.193.168.165] by webmail05.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 01:08:11 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 01:08:11 GMT Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net To: Undisclosed-recipients:; 70a5013df5f591d0c950b1b4b4b124546524996d0d5970f03570641000f459206189e04949e0b1597d8d2475756d79b585258080259dbdc19d01f55141307da1301db4c40d41d1393df411dd305d7130a1e091e9e5f0f0e50049a0007061113d44a5f14401c109a93dbd64b1d595e9e5cde5b0d494b454c4c454d13040d1895d64ad75756124302df0c07515d0f9b4b524f92d3199c935c1d4f48935404045 Subject: Re: [TR] E-Type Prices Drop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The tan car looks particularly nice.Those are lower prices than they have been AGE RES PROPRIAS TUAS MOLON LABE ---------- Original Message ---------- From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] E-Type Prices Drop? Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 16:57:15 -0700 I have moments of weakness and consider purchasing a Jag. It seems to me that some E-type prices have been dropping recently. http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1967-Jaguar-E_Type-1637822.xhtm l?conversationId=89883 http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-E_Type-1568202.xhtm l?conversationId=89883 http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-XK_E-1698307.xhtml? conversationId=89883 Triumph owners understand that there is no such thing as a cheap Jag. If you can't afford a good one you certainly can't afford a bad one... These three examples look like pretty good cars at pretty low prices. I mean, they are down to TR6 prices. Am I missing something? Has anyone else been following the E-type prices and come up with the same conclusion? -Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mbarre@juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5403c765201e1476476c5st02vuc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 19:20:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE7D2584EC8 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:20:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AF0258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg10.opentext.net (otwlxg10.opentext.net [10.2.103.151]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s811OHSO009459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:24:17 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.106]) by otwlxg10.opentext.net ([10.2.103.151]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:23:08 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "Triumphs@Autox Team. Net" Thread-Topic: help from the brilliant Thread-Index: Ac/Fg0mgHhodCYh9Quy9ywpQdD6Etw== Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 01:23:08 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.500.1018-20920.000 x-tm-as-result: No--25.064500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-ID: <69136502489139449B87A522572FC34A@opentext.net> Subject: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 19:24:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419AC258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24B1258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id lf12so4812631vcb.34 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:26:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=WO0mpMG06wh+z+a6LFqjK9NdiDRfjR4J6hkXEhLqSwc=; b=GmqjhBUpj6q95e5Bm/B8/k18cPq6WLH6RP9ICc6JM6C1nt+IBclk8ECC8lxv5WD3Z2 3JpFJUVX5332INckHHad1UoUdXdc8sVs8vvnUa7HJ6jcGEIR77kD75DvlRsKjYbfdP26 T0pVbsbsMKYMWBadNoDeTyvi4g4ydGpkAPeHvGIAFvl21Q/HFu4CEE4yItkqMv/b/mMJ blq+tUm5Nu16MCkUYb8rqlNucqrZzwtNLzKX4uJGtRQrzj73sF0nB/VZCT7pma6GIzd/ GMlKSRhcxuMsMDDmUI34h+n+X/1JqMqxzaxSV01zAVeS9vXs8m9oN4/9XDMy2zWILvmw vaYA== t3mr21249592vcs.30.1409534797921; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:26:37 -0700 (PDT) References: <1409529435.24223.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:26:37 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] E-Type Prices Drop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In my experience there are a fair number of scammers using AutoTrader. They lift the photos right off of other for sale sites & auctions. I suspect all three of those are scams. OTOH, consider this: http://goo.gl/CsvS7u But good E-Types can still be had at reasonable prices - I got one about 2 years ago -- but like anything where money is involved, it is tricky. These cars in particular can be made to look much better than they are with bondo and paint. Geo On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 4:57 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I have moments of weakness and consider purchasing a Jag. It seems to > me that some E-type prices have been dropping recently. > > > http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1967-Jaguar-E_Type-1637822.xhtml?conversationId=89883 > > > http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-E_Type-1568202.xhtml?conversationId=89883 > > > http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-XK_E-1698307.xhtml?conversationId=89883 > > > Triumph owners understand that there is no such thing as a cheap Jag. > If you can't afford a good one you certainly can't afford a bad one... > These three examples look like pretty good cars at pretty low prices. > I mean, they are down to TR6 prices. Am I missing something? Has anyone > else been following the E-type prices and come up with the same conclusion? > > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 19:28:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357E42584F15 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:28:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 007D4258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:28:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ldXX1o0084oFfFQ01dXZsG; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 18:31:34 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> <00b201cfc571$ccdcea40$6696bec0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:23:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net when we did tail of the dragon, it was all 2nd and 2nd od, back and forth, back and forth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stIUBx5jWY8 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 19:34:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07272584F11 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp6.opentext.com (smtp6.opentext.com [205.211.178.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE23258086D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:34:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg10.opentext.net (otwlxg10.opentext.net [10.2.103.151]) by wldmzsvc06.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s811cW85022110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:38:33 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG13.opentext.net (10.2.103.163) by otwlxg10.opentext.net (10.2.103.151) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.181.6; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:37:27 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.106]) by otwlxg13.opentext.net ([10.2.103.163]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:37:27 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "Triumphs@Autox Team. Net" Thread-Topic: help from the brilliant Thread-Index: Ac/FhUfZg6Y9jTtWR1O7KmCMTDzpOg== Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 01:37:27 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.2.111.16] Subject: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net }I have a rental car for the week while on vacation. It seems someone decided to key scratch the hood while parked at dinner. I wish to not have to declare this and go through hell with insurance etc. Any thoughts on how I could tackle this before facing the hell? Thanks David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 20:29:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ABE2584F4F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:29:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE2D2584EFF for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.69.118]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id leXK1o00P2Z6Wv201eXSjE; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:31:31 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'David Templeton'" , "'Triumphs@Autox Team. Net'" References: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 22:31:41 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJqHSOu0B/OZyUWngzcmqvDVZVFOJq2308g Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Er.... find a body shop ?? Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Templeton Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 9:37 PM To: Triumphs@Autox Team. Net Subject: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant }I have a rental car for the week while on vacation. It seems someone decided to key scratch the hood while parked at dinner. I wish to not have to declare this and go through hell with insurance etc. Any thoughts on how I could tackle this before facing the hell? Thanks David ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 21:33:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD5B2584B4D for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3D425805EC for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:33:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ij19so4857079vcb.26 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F9zq134iKbFJ8+kP8eBrK1LZToWyQEeEoF9ebSK+WI4=; b=yIETjoAASTGJeIf8T28IaX3K9k+oKSHWHA7791CE6WmSJz9rkSvhdskPKJwjq5QAYO ht6Pw9z3ASxx7d1N0YI/4oBb+N4IFPN2oJa90frgrbm/6IRd225Jp85qKlCF5zcZWJyl OnCSWUmLWtfWtyQ6FTSgJAQ7EGAL4E6+yjOkgik5I1zh4hCyN4mH84VFTmFPedTyzTAK vj/+PAjlKEeha4atgYUqJ+fwByrl/3eIcn06jK6M4KS5epeHjHTxflcBYdGNDfDxHhTQ ujIwLnhSq/pFuHghBjTCUG1Y532GKO2tIiIsXD/mVMIZsk2jqLcjXpPmFSbfa4PfhL3i 1FUw== ca1mr23268235vcb.21.1409542563095; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <1409529435.24223.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:36:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] E-Type Prices Drop? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is some detail on those great deals. The first two are available (along with some other great deals) from Gateway Motors in Chicago. The beige one http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1967-Jaguar-E_Type-1637822.xhtml?conversationId=89883 sold on eBay last month for $71,000 -- eBay listing -- now Gateway is offering it for $29,000. The red one http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-E_Type-1568202.xhtml?conversation sold on eBay for $50,000 in March -- eBay listing -- now gateway is selling it for $22,800. Their 'buy high - sell low' business model is either remarkably generous or a scam. The third one http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-XK_E-1698307.xhtml?conversationId=89883 appears to be a legitimate sale as it is offered by the Beverly Hills Car Club -- the ad -- and they are a real business. I don't think AutoTrader itself is a scam -- it appears to lift ads from sellers sites. Since Gateway motors lists those first two cars they pick them up and repeat the ad & price. If you do become interested in an E-Type this site xkedata.com is a great resource where detail about many Jaguars can be sourced using the chassis number. Geo On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > In my experience there are a fair number of scammers using AutoTrader. > > They lift the photos right off of other for sale sites & auctions. > > I suspect all three of those are scams. > > OTOH, consider this: http://goo.gl/CsvS7u > > But good E-Types can still be had at reasonable prices - I got one about 2 > years ago -- but like anything where money is involved, it is tricky. > These cars in particular can be made to look much better than they are with > bondo and paint. > > Geo > > > > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 4:57 PM, William Brewer > wrote: > >> I have moments of weakness and consider purchasing a Jag. It seems >> to me that some E-type prices have been dropping recently. >> >> >> http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1967-Jaguar-E_Type-1637822.xhtml?conversationId=89883 >> >> >> http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-E_Type-1568202.xhtml?conversationId=89883 >> >> >> http://www.autotraderclassics.com/classic-car/1969-Jaguar-XK_E-1698307.xhtml?conversationId=89883 >> >> >> Triumph owners understand that there is no such thing as a cheap >> Jag. If you can't afford a good one you certainly can't afford a bad one... >> These three examples look like pretty good cars at pretty low >> prices. I mean, they are down to TR6 prices. Am I missing something? Has >> anyone else been following the E-type prices and come up with the same >> conclusion? >> >> >> -Bill in Tehachapi >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 31 21:35:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B802584F16 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:35:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9492580902 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 21:35:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ik5so4940767vcb.35 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:38:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LHka46faVCE1jJKwEhYcru5/ZBPNvltZi9BIVQeRACg=; b=GB82ReS+UY/Uj28EnCn1qeX34ww6dfUVafcabv+0lF51TPFdiu3zQdBA5BH3zn2iSh js5JG9YkUsrt+2ZW1Im+weyMAlg9wp8pCqtbwd0vSBMGociyfYPyA1s3HAlQuaZlGCrm B7F8P5t7JIoXpDoakm6E7cnzscObgVYE9OC5K0CpKHCOPFSnr3ad3pAr1P0YFQvBJlQj IzuLEAQAuOEIAeVbB0rbsB+1xNtMSt+E3jbSHj+wURA4HTrD07l9/k16Be+7FJ0DOqKf AWzE2KeVpE/BjB1uswH7UMo7Mf2WgOSKUO3U8FuDz/1LQeKpGrWCfbGs0A85ZrWB1ebj aM0w== db12mr19528126vdb.8.1409542688634; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:38:08 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 20:38:08 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: David Templeton Cc: "Triumphs@Autox Team. Net" Subject: Re: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Return it at night... in the rain? On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM, David Templeton wrote: > }I have a rental car for the week while on vacation. It seems someone > decided > to key scratch the hood while parked at dinner. I wish to not have to > declare > this and go through hell with insurance etc. > > Any thoughts on how I could tackle this before facing the hell? > > Thanks > David > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive