From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 07:13:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE6325809AA for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 07:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7C225800B5 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 07:13:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f178.google.com with SMTP id cc10so4013565wib.5 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pTT2QQkxv/DC5clge87RlzdRuT2Gvybpndfq4MXcAeo=; b=xJ5gHijuxRthXUZA3vJrgdOwtSgXeniPYWAGNYBFHAufDEe18i4C1nVw+YZHu1bb0Q dxm89fFbR5tfUwqwu+/pGULzqF66VVnj/RlklJAuxcITK4mM10kiCyxvyQGXfv0ViTxR xCfFBxqqWPyjWKguJ1/dZ1c6Ycva8KOc4WKKZSk2aDvwYTeU56yF+UsUzsFnGzDYrsc0 txJbLqipNblkPSEaTBIuvp42/P4qz8z8yNGKy2aO4G51Gv21Qiw3rL6xiz6TEtrzipbF b5FCJdVp8FqyJQ1B3E3NKdBvZZE8D+m0swgezblzMBRv2s4805QrHqBXrVKQqMdmrjKL 4zkg== ln7mr72857604wjc.30.1412255808128; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 06:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 09:16:48 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. Anyone have a been there done that solution? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 08:32:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80B825848D9 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600a.its.queensu.ca (bc600a.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B66C258083B for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600a.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id HDo1tG20HgkV067E; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.39]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:32:44 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: Brad Kahler , Triumphs Thread-Topic: [TR] TR4 glove box door Thread-Index: AQHP3kM6nBqpHJMoukmUew8Ig/qPtJwcy8Qw Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:32:44 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests= Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While my glove box door (on the TR4A with wood dash) doesn't drop down while driving, the latch mechanism really isn't holding it in place and I can open the door without pushing the button. I too would like to hear experiences in fixing this. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: October-02-14 9:17 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 glove box door The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. Anyone have a been there done that solution? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thomasb@queensu.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 10:35:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50002584E57 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:35:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9625806FB for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:35:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.104]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id yGdq1o0032Fh1PH01Ge6q2; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:38:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id yGe41o00M3eKESF01Ge5kC; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:38:06 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:38:03 -0600 References: To: Brad Kahler s=q20140121; t=1412267886; bh=H2Lqj92NlOMLCFn+eOy5Y1YbGUJ6bxbYSPTQSoNjUP0=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=q7LWT+o5g7XpusRRpXLqLWgKHHy6xN4opna07N02UKVK0wFQLempwNXx0msNa1T8z Jdj8N7hlLJ15QBDAgzlYfCh1h171Zqz6JTc0rRRSN9sMBLfuWHdWBcDOQQMMwQe+QP f9eVTVkvJ4m2L/ygktlPaMnJm2T2PgFbl3WPwBtat1nLfvwxBIUS/Kgh+Oy1Va+iws cefaoARu+9ZZrUepLgLoXHwQ7poEFgbLqi4ATHbwefyUBVHMZjzVsKHsqr+v4HdYj2 HvD9BRIz8zWGAuu4pcVOauWb6P7NL6won84w6WhE5h/5EBJAdGRDfY0ROjfbCHz9Kn 02/V8l3O7KvCA== Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is there any adjustment possible on the hinges? Maybe move the whole glove box door up a bit towards the latch. If it were me Id bend the crap out of the door until a new one was required. ;) Maybe the spring pushing the catch up on the door is dirty/weak. Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked > at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable > bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. > > The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the > latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over > there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there > just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. > > Anyone have a been there done that solution? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 11:47:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D72D25845BD for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8DC258074C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:44:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.144]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 2363D7026A946; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.17]) by mtaomg-mae02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id D5C503800008C; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:47:28 -0400 (EDT) References: To: bkahler1@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va020.sysops.aol.com (149.174.108.44) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:47:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:47:28 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1412272051; bh=Z/3aaucVYd+8RhBt4FYbD2BtsUYIkIGE8ouiWyAIHL8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vuTH5qBjgJmb575ljwb92tofYJgvS3lrQnz/rPZzXfvHn5YKclcgq7EHIQhtXx4FQ dnbSsnG1RK3q4+F3yT9+K4SG8zmC+HNGX6wPTvaIWQ0AGkl3EGkHMM6hXIwIIuDFCP 0tDgYvXVjiflveIdZl/neiwegbgn6XqgVoLPIACY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe90542d8fb024a2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My TR6 does the same thing but I don't have the factory latch plate. I had a modified something that didn't work very well so I made one of my own which still doesn't work well. The problem is fundamental in the design and everything has to be adjusted just so. Too tight and it doesn't latch. Too loose and it won't open. Have you tried shimming the tab? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:54 am Subject: [TR] TR4 glove box door The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. Anyone have a been there done that solution? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 11:48:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D152584E6D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EA4258074C for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 17:49:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.167] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 17:49:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 17:49:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 14214 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2014 17:49:16 -0000 s=s1024; t=1412272156; bh=1Y9cx8jKTv/kImUPwvy1/VYcNfxVkhXG04kc8T50yV0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Zz/QLg5nw/oy/D3Fx84OwZjE4rMEL9lDAsa34s63p2ogRQU437hvbGJ07j8QR4k0AKSgqfH0hie8XOLGBS0cq9s2eAruFzo/AZ32zytH9CGHQqfGz1U5vO8ska/mH6Ig37yCso7Cps6IBeC5vYuEy/WAjLAmQyJFJxa0ejaA5Uk= 473fYXvjzohnrVkoY9kxa3EvDbw3hHnf7CMjo9DSl9gRpIFBZE2kmVL_X9Lg fro4cNT.nnC1ZPuTJEo4LoXq4ylryEAk2.ErMgw9w9MMxy6P8x2R7zXehOMW kOCTQmgE6Ez3ipPOkngyERUceSPmYyS31NGmy2nX6rOZQfsajrg2mQoruMbN MAjpfhb6JtYWKVM8uRaXQ4lgUP3q9mCXiXovYzK1tYERGX1mKh5gMYqsyX4Z K4WpRdj46Gtq19U67LbdACxh6_C9veC1qdL1ni.0iVaDAus5pwjk0fRKzOqB 4ogX8IVknhntlu9uC8UJiRy2_646M4k8iWsKaf65wlpXNkXPtZlMOyffUaUV zIxqP7GaN5QTA59bXRWOQfs5brWrB7.udTGfIeTk51NPO1qr_np1LSXSlRja _59B_4c113YmteTLMpmKY57.kGXdSMKai7vhKoE4XUMTgmUYK0c2fF5bmca3 UZuv9r.eTzWVOdm7W2zUGiDCf3oV1LdYItmd_iOkALz1aOOjWHMxEFsuf Received: from [12.172.88.242] by web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:49:16 PDT aSBkaWQgbm90IHBheSBlbm91Z2ggYXR0ZW50aW9uIHdoZW4gaSBzZW50IG9mZiBteSBpbnRlcmlvciBmb3IgcmV3b3JrLgp0aGUgVFIzIGdsb3ZlLWJveCBkb29yIGxvY2tzIGJ5IG1lYW5zIG9mIGEgIloiIHNoYXBlZCBzdGFtcGluZyBiZWhpbmQgdGhlIGxvY2suCml0IGNhbiBiZSBhc3NlbWJsZWQgZmFjZSBpbiBvciBmYWNlIG91dC4Kd2l0aCB0aGUgWiBpbiB0aGUgdGlnaHRlc3QgcG9zaXRpb24gaXRzIGRpZmZpY3VsdCB0byBlbmdhZ2Ugbm93LiBuZWFyIGltcG9zc2libGUgaXQgc2VlbXMuCndpdGggaXQBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:49:16 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] tr3 glovebox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i did not pay enough attention when i sent off my interior for rework. the TR3 glove-box door locks by means of a "Z" shaped stamping behind the lock. it can be assembled face in or face out. with the Z in the tightest position its difficult to engage now. near impossible it seems. with it in its loosest position the door can flap about loosely. can anyone share a picture of how it should be and also how the strike plate should be? thanks Frank ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 12:04:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8789F2584E9A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 12:04:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF7E2584E76 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 12:03:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id m15so3885632wgh.28 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 11:06:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Bdx5fM3idZ/oVjsNDiB4qPWhycO2lhgwahRnJGEuExI=; b=iWhnBouAPf7NmmUjoqQkl/ETadFbPGyxACHeLNOCDnPJsG7mYRbDAkxKvI1Jgu/bNP K1HM6U1koMpcCCXiOm8gfthiKFIf1v8RCZa5ZZDwg1r3llXo9/s/ZhW+U89GCuI7qNPO V4uPEvXd1C90csszA61WDENz1zjfmFwZA+LF1ao8U3EqZSphu8Mz+wnw01/lR4yHjbSR iN44WewcwTOoEmQWHUvLffdiqygMrZYUKOTMEUnxZ0UotKHD7tWcv5WS+cwVQcfhtYlw VK0p2TCfZQG6PTu6KqDkMUhXPQuTelu0xA0YwGLyQdEFZjNs+TzsFPBw3Lk8IIJEmDpJ AwUQ== ln7mr765240wjc.30.1412273207530; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 11:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 11:06:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D1AC8011423CFE-15FC-1090B@webmail-va020.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:06:47 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've looked several different times to see if there was anything that could be adjusted or tweaked but didn't see anything obvious. I guess I'll have to take a closer look. Bud's suggestion about the hinges are worth looking into and will check that tonight as well. I'm not sure I can picture what JonMac was trying to describe but not having the glove box in front of me while reading it probably has something to do with that. It looks like tonight will be glove box night in the shop :) I'll post a reply once I take a much more in depth look at what I have. On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Dave wrote: > My TR6 does the same thing but I don't have the factory latch plate. I > had a modified something that didn't work very well so I made one of my own > which still doesn't work well. The problem is fundamental in the design > and everything has to be adjusted just so. Too tight and it doesn't > latch. Too loose and it won't open. > > Have you tried shimming the tab? > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler > To: Triumphs > Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:54 am > Subject: [TR] TR4 glove box door > > > The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked > at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable > bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. > > The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the > latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over > there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there > just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. > > Anyone have a been there done that solution? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 14:18:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B0E2584EE2 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:18:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BD725808BB for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm27.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 20:20:42 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.192] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 20:20:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2014 20:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 73499 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2014 20:20:42 -0000 s=s1024; t=1412281242; bh=2iIzJHGP3yEQ/QGHssm1q6ulh8DwbK+iR15Bf+26kcc=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tQooc9SDPidAs5rMQPgt3chWuZcwELBUKjkmCUnvEcI7qbxt1VavMJsuW5MXrgCR1RVIr29Z/gGSRZJkt6yM77tjgdCWazFq9V4mfBx41tsUTkFIx1Ucvx6Xw1KRX5Wxbiq7YoMpW9hTaaAoiQdYCPlVblCEhivj4K2ei1TbliQ= _Ytt11V7loEV2PzlEhHc2uHxxYqPBRFfPSDIVDIGQQE8LyMTuxh7F4hnCstl fgz_8sW8nS.3fCsLh6IlyEE0tz98Co31du2g7NCnyMaC3RMjfBOQutu5duSA Mtx2AFAtzfXMYdQbu6bnuCLT7Zhnj8QWu3pw2DQjW9NBtHEgzc8Z3gvf7eq6 VUonbgIRqB1HY75ZTuJxVn5iE089xl2YWpwP.FMqWLNj8HIiLuiv5NBfgyDy nQOTdDsB.3QSOs2lrIObb03yKiGmFoU9eTyaqHM67Ue6A5fCOMh1yvOD2lNj lkGfGmu9tSajBnCWXby_Z1Ti5npnUdyu6GBMBsPvOkZt.JUcGjeKmDqzvqJl TmeQ7EsQFT9gqHG5PtpNpFhJXh8YBIwdJjLtMTu.cZH3EYf9Jj0nqUpNuFms lsEBmmVVlh_amb8BUCit1lfVzJXYqGxUvo3Fcg0viFPZ4uuDXlGL6ZT5NC3o UDrXIT4rRQlrfkR6zmoeTmZi4I7HO6VTClUk1t4iOCnhuPPOkuVbTGBtNJe8 - Received: from [12.172.88.242] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:20:42 PDT SGkgSm9lCm5vLiBpdHMgbm90IGEgbmV3IGxvY2ssIGl0cyB0aGUgYWxsIG9yaWdpbmFsIDE5NTguCmkgaGFkIGFsbCBteSBkYXNoIHJlLWNvdmVyZWQgYnkgdGhhdCBnb29kIGd1eSBpbiBPaGlvLiBoZSBkb2VzIGEgd29uZGVyZnVsIGpvYi4KYnV0IG5vdyBpbSByZS1hc3NlbWJsZSB0aGluZ3MgYW5kIGltIG5vdCBxdWl0ZSBnZXR0aW5nIGl0IHRoZSB3YXkgaXQgd2FzIHdoZW4gaSB0b29rIGl0IGFwYXJ0LgptdXN0IGJlIG1lLgpGcmFuawoKCk9uIFRodXJzZGF5LCBPY3RvYmVyIDIsIDIwMTQgMTI6MTkgUE0BMAEBAQE- References: <3F89CED8-BC63-4A2E-990F-9FCBBF1F9B42@mac.com> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:20:42 -0700 From: Frank Fisher To: Joe DeMuth , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Glove box door latch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Joe no. its not a new lock, its the all original 1958. i had all my dash re-covered by that good guy in Ohio. he does a wonderful job. but now im re-assemble things and im not quite getting it the way it was when i took it apart. must be me. Frank On Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:19 PM, Joe DeMuth wrote: Is this a new lock mechanism? If i remember correctly, the original latch was flat and the replacement I bought was bzb shaped. I used the old one instead of the one which can with the new lock. Or you could modify the new one. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 15:04:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87E4258494A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:04:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1F12580975 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id yM6x1o00x3alfWF01M6yEY; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:06:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:06:57 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Anyone know what the total allowable ignition advance is for these Delco-Remy units? I'm only seeing about 15 degrees at 3000 + RPM Doesn't seem enough to me.. Dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 15:47:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442B2258493E for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E262580975 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:47:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NCU00HUF7BDP2H0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 17:49:20 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <542DBE71.3040707@porterscustom.com> Subject: Re: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net if you pop off the points plate, then pull the little screw in the top center you can lift off the top hald of the mech adv weights plate. The adv degrees number will be stamped right into the plate. remember though that number is on half of the crank adv value so if stamped 6 degrees it's 12 at the crank 10 would be 20 at the crank etc. as general info.... mech adv is usually 20 or less (usually less) a the crank ptegler On 10/2/2014 5:06 PM, David Porter wrote: > Anyone know what the total allowable ignition advance is for these > Delco-Remy units? > I'm only seeing about 15 degrees at 3000 + RPM Doesn't seem enough > to me.. > Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 17:02:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F336A25844CE for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8785258097D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id yP5f1o00h3alfWF01P5fZf; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:05:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 17:05:39 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: ptegler@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <542DBE71.3040707@porterscustom.com> <542DC860.3000800@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net interesting.. the TR6's will go (as I recall) up to 36 degrees total advance.. I think I'll just run it up around there and see how it runs... dave On 10/2/2014 3:49 PM, ptegler wrote: > if you pop off the points plate, then pull the little screw in the top > center you can lift off the top hald of the mech adv weights plate. > The adv degrees number will be stamped right into the plate. > remember though that number is on half of the crank adv value so if > stamped 6 degrees it's 12 at the crank 10 would be 20 at the crank etc. > > as general info.... mech adv is usually 20 or less (usually less) a > the crank > ptegler > > > On 10/2/2014 5:06 PM, David Porter wrote: >> Anyone know what the total allowable ignition advance is for these >> Delco-Remy units? >> I'm only seeing about 15 degrees at 3000 + RPM Doesn't seem enough >> to me.. >> Dave > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 17:52:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527542584947 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:52:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f45.google.com (mail-wg0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7975C2580B9A for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id m15so185108wgh.28 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:55:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=k0qdrZHBMuWOFOKxS/319rxG0SlNMQkfJ7TRkx5RYaM=; b=d6/e81tbSxJ2tDmOroT8XpCQHNcwZLHGzH/86jzpfGrkn2M1xyG34VCcDSOQ8BKc5Q DPDgYhSXoF5OxHbMobURg4KaT4LuYEnaqYVPiZv67eU8HCv9UBcyUOOsAubegZ7JlXes Qf9uvLQc5DQFI2OY2V3KkMNQ+ZsJbSSiJXWEqyh2IUmdmMPFUwtIjBQzU87T80LTYIQN hVEF3BRtiRLMCRBWcZKiHhs2XLonoSIJQ+1snC0QkDZ6bg6QuyHhV/vaCA+tcPwxBdWX vriy0m5zV5jXipv52QdGM+PjYpB8IdXzprXSzREKYQUfmsrCp5EKwbKUdQV5GkbrKYH3 hFmQ== l13mr2647330wjq.102.1412294154826; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:55:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <5FC9D4C1-4C40-4FD7-831B-37E41450F5CC@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 19:55:54 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Bud R Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 glove box door Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, Bud was right. There was an adjustment to the hinge that I couldn't see until I took out the glove box, got down in the foot well and twisted around until I could see where the hinge fastened to the facia. Loosened the four nuts and there was plenty of adjustment to make it fit and close properly. Of course removing the glove box exposed issues with how some PO installed the replacement glove box that had been installed. The screws were to long and to large a diameter to work properly. So now I need to order a new glove box and screws. Always something :) Thanks all! Brad On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Bud R wrote: > Is there any adjustment possible on the hinges? Maybe move the whole glove > box door up a bit towards the latch. If it were me Ibd bend the crap out of > the door until a new one was required. ;) > > Maybe the spring pushing the catch up on the door is dirty/weak. > > Bud > > > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > The glove box door on my TR4 keeps popping open while driving. I've looked > at the parts books to see if there is supposed be any sort of adjustable > bracket or plate that might be missing and none are indicated. > > The sheet metal lip does not look to be bent or deformed and the tip of the > latch mechanism doesn't seem to be worn. My only assumption is that over > there years there has been enough tweaking and twisting going on that there > just isn't enough contact between the latch and the metal tab. > > Anyone have a been there done that solution? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 18:18:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5822584947 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:18:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5982580BA0 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:18:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NCU00A31EAXDXJ0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 19:21:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 20:20:16 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: David Porter , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <542DBE71.3040707@porterscustom.com> <542DC860.3000800@verizon.net> <542DDA43.6020503@porterscustom.com> Subject: Re: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...went digging.... couldn't find any specific specs for Delcos...but Lucas mech weights have a stop as high as 14 (28 crank degrees) ptegler On 10/2/2014 7:05 PM, David Porter wrote: > interesting.. the TR6's will go (as I recall) up to 36 degrees total > advance.. I think I'll just run it up around there and see how it runs... > dave > On 10/2/2014 3:49 PM, ptegler wrote: >> if you pop off the points plate, then pull the little screw in the >> top center you can lift off the top hald of the mech adv weights >> plate. The adv degrees number will be stamped right into the plate. >> remember though that number is on half of the crank adv value so if >> stamped 6 degrees it's 12 at the crank 10 would be 20 at the crank etc. >> >> as general info.... mech adv is usually 20 or less (usually less) a >> the crank >> ptegler >> >> >> On 10/2/2014 5:06 PM, David Porter wrote: >>> Anyone know what the total allowable ignition advance is for these >>> Delco-Remy units? >>> I'm only seeing about 15 degrees at 3000 + RPM Doesn't seem >>> enough to me.. >>> Dave >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 19:08:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4B82580449 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 19:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com (mail-qc0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343202580449 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 19:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id o8so257467qcw.3 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=K5CV1OPW+PoFcqfeeEyQIbDkyCofYLA0YBS3cUdVy1c=; b=RiI2TbbppUSm3VjSOrKh4L8z3kvYWZDquWbPSq0QLCCGV2rK1m+YZZoVBq6PvMb9bN 0S+xUNApyYrZQwZ/eKESmVeX/m7duHxYPMUE1vz2TiX+4Rro9Oq5CoObhrJV7KDv1h3G w0uqvgi7ds+5mdEabMnx2VspzOqjyxUVOb0OSfDew/C1ezxbfhz6ANujMMgQvvP7Ri0x 71jn+pOqHJaqsFzQI5rKLvWSmtV+MzB3cBlf+zBLWcdfRBqd7BjG0Gecmf4eKy9g5xI3 6z+oZE6wVWm5Vy9x6fVCTdyC045F+E4wt+/KTddB9SGOwn9u1CaTt9Y5LwhlEbc/Y0Q/ gxog== g33mr744986qgg.57.1412298712758; Thu, 02 Oct 2014 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.53.12.203 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:11:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <542DBE71.3040707@porterscustom.com> <542DC860.3000800@verizon.net> <542DDA43.6020503@porterscustom.com> <542DEBC0.4060603@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 18:11:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM, ptegler wrote: > ...went digging.... couldn't find any specific specs for Delcos...but > Lucas mech weights have a stop as high as 14 (28 crank degrees) > Varies widely - my other British car has 40B0 centrifugal advance. You can just see the 20B0 stamped on the weights: http://goo.gl/5Tfvi6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 2 21:57:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA7D2584967 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E8C258081D for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 30/AF-01315-44F1E245; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:00:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:00:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/elWhl52rrEH1uSY6Ln+jxC9rYrgAKJrkg Subject: Re: [TR] GT6+ emissions distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > interesting.. the TR6's will go (as I recall) up to 36 degrees total > advance.. I think I'll just run it up around there and see > how it runs... FWIW, the GT6 Mk III was supposed to have 19 deg (crank) at 4000 rpm; on top of 12 deg static (ignoring the vacuum retard at idle). Might well have been an emissions thing, as late timing reduces NOx emissions. (Which is also why they deleted the vacuum advance.) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 3 08:37:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8269B25849A4 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (omr-relay-3.cniteam.com [209.143.0.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1B925806C8 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:36:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rg7.cniteam.com (rg7.cniteam.com [209.143.0.247]) by omr-relay-3.cniteam.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s93Edd7k042799 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:39:59 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.201.14.237]) by rg7.cniteam.com (MOS 4.4.5-GA) with ESMTP id BEE58236 (AUTH tws@bright.net) for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:39:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:39:59 -0400 From: Ted Schumacher User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: TR list refid=2.7.2:2014.10.3.134820:17:7.944, ip=, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, DATE_TZ_NA, __HAS_FROM, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __SUBJ_ALPHA_START, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_PATH, __FRAUD_CONTACT_NUM, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __C230066_P5, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_500_599, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_NXDOMAIN, __URI_NS, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS refid=str=0001.0A02020A.542EB53E.01F1,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2014-06-20 05:37:11, dmn=2011-05-27 18:58:46, mode=multiengine Subject: [TR] help needed. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi list. need to ask a favor. Looking for someone with a TR4A who could check something for me. Trying to identify a very nice boot cover that we believe to be fro a 4A. Sides around cockpit have snaps but rear has lift the dot. Could someone look at their car, count snaps and lift the dot fasteners and let me know. Thanks to all. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 3 11:28:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5145925849A2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:28:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD525804C2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCV00LWPPZP5H70@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 17:31:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:31:00 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-03_08:2014-10-03,2014-10-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410030171 Subject: [TR] Coulda-Been Catastrophic Failure? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. I got a bit of a shock last night. After an hour-long drive in the twisty hill roads near home, I started pulling into the driveway only to hear a loud crunch. Started backing up only to discover I had no brakes. It was dark, so it was hard to see what was going on. Some fluid had leaked from the area of the right front wheel, so I figured that there was a leak in the break line, though that didn't explain the crunch. Pushing the car up the driveway proved extremely difficult, so I took a chance on driving up, hoping the weak hand break would keep me from plowing through the far wall of the garage. HORRIBLE sounds came from the front right wheel, but I was able to stop the car once in the garage. With the good lighting in the garage, it was easy to see there was something very wrong. The top of the right front wheel was sticking out by about 10 degrees. When I jacked the car up, the angle got worse and worse and in the end, the brake line was all that was keeping the wheel from being parallel to the ground. The vertical link was completely separated from the ball joint. I'm guessing the nut must have worked loose and come off during my drive, and the deep gutter in front of my driveway was enough to finally separate them. Yikes! How lucky was I that this didn't happen at speed? And how difficult will this be able to fix well enough to drive the car to a proper mechanic to have the car completely gone through? And what might have been the fundamental cause? One thing I can report is that there was some damage to this area of the car during shipping. Part of the frame was pulled away and there's a bit of damage to the body under the passenger door. The wheel in question also appeared a bit out of whack when I had the car up on axle stands a few weeks ago. I suspect the right front wheel dropped off the ramp during loading or offloading. Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 3 11:42:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD84025849AD for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:42:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from xsmtp09.mail2web.com (xsmtp09.mail2web.com [168.144.250.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4454625809E2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.5.41.6] (helo=M2W106.mail2web.com) by xsmtp09.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Xa6uL-0003wG-BA; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:44:49 -0400 From: "v6spitfireguy@cox.net" To: jtgayton@icloud.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 13:47:12 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Coulda-Been Catastrophic Failure? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Can't help with the problem, but have had similar luck. I had a bolt that holds the rear lower A-arm to the frame, the ONLY one, break in the street just as I was backing out of the driveway! This is on a rotoflex converted suspension) Wheel all cambered inward since only the axle and upper spring was holding the wheel assy to the car. Could have been far worse if it happened at speed! Sometimes things just fatigue, especially over time and continued stress - Original email: ----------------- Greetings. I got a bit of a shock last night. After an hour-long drive in the twisty hill roads near home, I started pulling into the driveway only to hear a loud crunch. Started backing up only to discover I had no brakes. It was dark, so it was hard to see what was going on. Some fluid had leaked from the area of the right front wheel, so I figured that there was a leak in the break line, though that didn't explain the crunch. Pushing the car up the driveway proved extremely difficult, so I took a chance on driving up, hoping the weak hand break would keep me from plowing through the far wall of the garage. HORRIBLE sounds came from the front right wheel, but I was able to stop the car once in the garage. With the good lighting in the garage, it was easy to see there was something very wrong. The top of the right front wheel was sticking out by about 10 degrees. When I jacked the car up, the angle got worse and worse and in the end, the brake line was all that was keeping the wheel from being parallel to the ground. The vertical link was completely separated from the ball joint. I'm guessing the nut must have worked loose and come off during my drive, and the deep gutter in front of my driveway was enough to finally separate them. Yikes! How lucky was I that this didn't happen at speed? ----- -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 3 14:53:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5A42580BBB for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B682580951 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:64169] helo=cdptpa-web25) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C8/FA-00529-07D0F245; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:56:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:56:16 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:56:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Coulda-Been Catastrophic Failure? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > And how difficult will this > be able to fix well enough to drive the car to a proper mechanic to have the > car completely gone through? Depends on the damage done. Just replacing the upper ball joint isn't too difficult. If the vertical link and/or A-arms are damaged, then you'll need a proper spring compressor (about $50 at the usual suspects or build your own), and of course suitable replacement parts; but the work still isn't particularly hard. If that sounds like too much, though, hire a flat bed. This is not an area to be making compromises. > And what might have been the fundamental cause? >From your description, I'd say most likely hidden accident damage. It's possible the nut "just came off", but that would indicate defective or incorrectly assembled parts. That joint is supposed to have a thin Nyloc nut, which is supposed to be replaced every time it's taken off. Someone either used the wrong nut (I've gotten ball joints with tall nuts, so the locking element doesn't contact the threads) or reused the same nut until it lost it's locking power. And even if the nut did come off, the "locking" taper should have held for a long time. > The wheel in question also appeared a > bit out of whack when I had the car up on axle stands a few weeks ago. Uhh ... yeah, you were lucky. I'm guessing that next time it looks "out of whack", you'll investigate _before_ taking a drive. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 3 15:34:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92322580BC2 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914E3258009C for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:34:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hn15so30883igb.9 for ; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:37:11 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-language :thread-index; bh=ug2Z4bSABf8j1SOw5VA1Hq4Ja+JlyaFIDxCNu2SdCys=; b=c3s0hPmG9MNreitMkpEt8QMK4+1GjEWLaK6yDqzrtqV2UJnjG6X23qG403mKgZXRzn 9Lc/WxP3S06ZtyRo02QswNrLAecyfCjcAIP/EZh4QIK+1W/9XAA43KKbXO8OcvQpgTMd vKvFgFEGiesVpjGMB9MKPI6RXhh9MErM3RML1A7Vci5wvtNYL1gvahGTHCiB2Dj+IrQD bVKxhEbyHFTqZntZtkYyEGtsnapdCPg+I9JSZv169X205i9moAmLkn9kP13iZxxSbgO+ JHcxgM3soadApsJkPMnnSvnagu6vEdALVOn7gxmKML6yw+0YiKleoSx88mnbjA3JTCTv 35DA== qt9mr1710645igb.30.1412372230735; Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Chuck (107-211-102-56.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. [107.211.102.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dx10sm2803878igb.4.2014.10.03.14.37.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Chuck" To: "'Ted Schumacher'" , "'TR list'" References: <542EB53F.8040206@bright.net> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:37:49 -0400 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQHYZUrLYH6LeVCEx2aCvoaVTLD5GpwN2cIA Subject: Re: [TR] help needed. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ted, Three snaps, then seven Lift-the-Dots, then three snaps. Cheers, Chuck White -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ted Schumacher Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 10:40 AM To: TR list Subject: [TR] help needed. Hi list. need to ask a favor. Looking for someone with a TR4A who could check something for me. Trying to identify a very nice boot cover that we believe to be fro a 4A. Sides around cockpit have snaps but rear has lift the dot. Could someone look at their car, count snaps and lift the dot fasteners and let me know. Thanks to all. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx@bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph.driver@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 08:10:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB9A2584456 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 08:10:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B3525807B0 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 08:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:3551] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 8B/75-24613-08000345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:13:21 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 07:13:20 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/f3Vm0wiGVP1p9ReK87Hr0DqFiOw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Garage Squad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Last night on Garage Squad the crew rebuilt a TR6. New head, exhaust, door panels, top, brakes, roll bar, new Minilights and more. Not real detail orientated but fun to watch. Johnnie '67 TR4A --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 09:26:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0038B2580B61 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:26:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BB825803CC for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:25:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.139.25]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LpuQT-1Y7HmJ1GMB-00fmVE; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 17:28:43 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , References: <000a01cfdfdd$5a9b7e20$0fd27a60$@rr.com> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:28:49 -0400 Tw/Jr9XOeoID8heC1005jo59ePre/r4Wsvgt/bwkEUA2lDNuKM 4IkJNJk2ywvsBGkBMveQexUvkJYSp15Ei8ZejjWddALsZjEp3b /oY0/WjT8yCAgow9KZfq2AGCmEgDXZxPKLSbVRbHBoDG2k+w1L mQlp0H/S+POMT8pQO3FB2P/UNJggSrgfz1klTJ+IppigamUIBz QfgDlCu7PeYYlP8KDWgiwyAsbyPP8H1jgS+++ueEkObjMeltva 4iCwNwu0eltRHHTfa4Pp/BkF7m5kVMMP/nX/SjsoKa0tLCExV/ kfsYnUbhlNkyxUySXbG6BKcnyZYhEZCGCyd1RuzkQ Subject: Re: [TR] Garage Squad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net That's Brian Czapleski who's active in The 6-Pack Forum (www.6-pack.org) and you can read all about it here http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/26-general-non-tech-talk/255404-My-TR6-on-Velocity-Channel-s-Garage-Squad If you register for the Forum you'll be able to see the "behind the scenes" pictures he took during filming. I got a little nervous during the part about installing the new door panels as I made that interior panel kit for Brian along with the boot cover. I keep telling people that you need lots of patience to install an interior and luckily the Garage Squad had a patient guy. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm Fender Blankets -----Original Message----- From: John & Pat Donnelly Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 10:13 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Garage Squad Last night on Garage Squad the crew rebuilt a TR6. New head, exhaust, door panels, top, brakes, roll bar, new Minilights and more. Not real detail orientated but fun to watch. Johnnie '67 TR4A --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 16:29:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BAA25844EE for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:29:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765712580A73 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141004223201.GJLI29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:32:01 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id zAY01o0072j24ku01AY0KU; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:32:00 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XuBAV9mPCbDSjuWOqXkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=CsO69FKaAzsA:10 a=g3-Pn7khLwwA:10 a=9WM8dktdsXgA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:32:03 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/gIsBgA0/PBZcnS9GggidAw2eNvw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Need a TR3 Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If anybody has a TR3 Distributor for sale, please contact me offline. I've got a TR3 powered Morgan +4 in the shop that has a Mallory dist with petronix - it's going in the trash. Thanks, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 17:13:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686892584567 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f45.google.com (mail-oi0-f45.google.com [209.85.218.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310F1258454E for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f45.google.com with SMTP id i138so2235335oig.4 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gAMO1+oxVI7CH+XKf+ScqcWc86KCj+WrR/+0Me9Nrgs=; b=H2dL0/SYxD2jrmLCJUlrLrgnKekPxh/tEvdYxMh88tQNLdnH0xy013dD+tnbwp23q0 8oVmsZacScxjOGHoD6tlACrwzQwV1/GsHsYEvLCK54uz+QisPyLxI/hbDfkeI6rnNym1 YSJDPXL6BK0WhfZFHOwEHA7hAPUQcpTK0dtDpZQP4GHslTmZFk9Z0oki+YPZplYoBGRK mEhf6bqkC8sZ3v7U0TkyZo+PvqokEVfYt/L1tsdHonz0aICU+TkYGFweLd7qEaHibZQ1 wG4y/FF9rWRvvbvJpeWWUTl7eb4pB7oa0TFE2FG4HR0yS7JIyFdUvlDnAi7t8MXhKgSF AAqg== h1mr16914809obx.53.1412464598455; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p17sm3126338oem.10.2014.10.04.16.16.37 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:16:36 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <020601cfe023$05527180$0ff75480$@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Need a TR3 Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/4/14, 3:32 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > If anybody has a TR3 Distributor for sale, please contact me offline. > > I've got a TR3 powered Morgan +4 in the shop that has a Mallory dist with > petronix - it's going in the trash. Dare I ask why? TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 17:24:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FCD25845A1 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx.fuse.net (unknown [64.8.71.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D5D258043F for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:24:17 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=5MRhFBAeexKUXMEmXvkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-XoB_D3Wjy0A:10 a=DA-Kd2mJPooA:10 a=MomKwA3Rne8A:10 a=2oKB9mOdqxzWEYuYt-gA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=POUyvhSeKke3cNPs:21 wl=host:19 a=qz1/oR11wZAF0QlAw9zEMw==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [69.168.103.15] ([69.168.103.15:44134] helo=mx.fuse.net) by mx.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 28/C2-10771-A5280345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:27:22 -0400 x-binding: cmh_binding X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=KshUYD1EF3pMLOZybaJtvA==:117 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=5MRhFBAeexKUXMEmXvkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-XoB_D3Wjy0A:10 a=DA-Kd2mJPooA:10 a=MomKwA3Rne8A:10 a=2oKB9mOdqxzWEYuYt-gA:9 a=POUyvhSeKke3cNPs:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: mx01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: mx01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (mx01.cincibell.synacor.com: domain fuse.net designates 69.168.103.14 as permitted sender) Received: from [69.168.103.14] ([69.168.103.14:16373] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by mx.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 03/FC-21031-95280345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:27:21 -0400 x-binding: cmh_binding X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=5MRhFBAeexKUXMEmXvkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=-XoB_D3Wjy0A:10 a=DA-Kd2mJPooA:10 a=MomKwA3Rne8A:10 a=2oKB9mOdqxzWEYuYt-gA:9 a=POUyvhSeKke3cNPs:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50394] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id A9/D7-10594-95280345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:27:21 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:32:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] Location and orientation of the little coil springs behind the door panels for the door handle and window crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anybody know which way the little coil springs are installed on the inside door handles and window cranks on a TR4A? I think they go with the small diameter towards the door behind the door panel? Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 17:36:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7728425845B1 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:36:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191B1258043F for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:36:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141004233920.FEYF8823.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:39:20 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id zBf91o00A2j24ku01Bf9P9; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 19:39:09 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=grHLoTOVIOjk8yNW1v4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=ns0_U66YCG5Owlg4:21 a=EMklW5QgYlRHToyN:21 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" , References: <020601cfe023$05527180$0ff75480$@cox.net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 16:39:12 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJo+qhQZMlPqPHrwCzfRHOs3iGRlwJX6Iq5mtufUnA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Need a TR3 Distributor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I swapped in the lucas dist from my TR3 and the car runs like a Swiss watch. With the Mallory and Petronix, - Inability to hold timing, random missing, timing that's all over the map at various RPM, poor running, hesitating, coughing. I've had the strobe on it for 15 minutes - there's no pattern. Was on the phone with Jeff from Advance a while back discussing the fact that the Mallory's are essentially "disposable" and good for about 20k miles. Have no reason to doubt him. I'm a big fan of keeping things like this stock............I have no interest in trying to sort out the "black box". Whatever the issue with the petronix and Mallory is - it's broken, I don't really care what it is. Not a big fan of Petronix regardless, although many people love them. The reality is that it's more cost effective for my customer to simply replace it with a known quantity than to try to figure out what's going on the aftermarket junk. If I was playing with my own stuff, my time would be free and I'd try to figure it out, but I'm on the clock and the easiest solution here happens to be the least expensive for the customer. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 4:17 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Need a TR3 Distributor On 10/4/14, 3:32 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > If anybody has a TR3 Distributor for sale, please contact me offline. > > I've got a TR3 powered Morgan +4 in the shop that has a Mallory dist > with petronix - it's going in the trash. Dare I ask why? TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 4 18:36:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E7725845B1 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mx.fuse.net (unknown [64.8.71.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0EE258455B for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 18:36:43 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=anMSQUn9KqFeqLcmSloA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 wl=host:19 a=qz1/oR11wZAF0QlAw9zEMw==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [69.168.103.15] ([69.168.103.15:7806] helo=mx.fuse.net) by mx.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 33/6F-05292-45390345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 20:39:48 -0400 x-binding: cmh_binding X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=KshUYD1EF3pMLOZybaJtvA==:117 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=anMSQUn9KqFeqLcmSloA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: mx01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: mx01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (mx01.cincibell.synacor.com: domain fuse.net designates 69.168.103.14 as permitted sender) Received: from [69.168.103.14] ([69.168.103.14:60268] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by mx.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 4F/05-21031-45390345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 20:39:48 -0400 x-binding: cmh_binding X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=anMSQUn9KqFeqLcmSloA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50607] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id F5/9B-16367-45390345; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 20:39:48 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: , "Tony Childs" References: <4A72823898D04F4C91988DA1BD9593F0@DaveLaptop> <024101cfe034$70d76800$52863800$@net> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 20:45:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Location and orientation of the little coil springs behind the door panels for the door handle and window crank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Tony, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Childs" To: "'Dave Connitt'" Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Location and orientation of the little coil springs behind the door panels for the door handle and window crank > That is correct, Dave - smaller diameter towards the handle and the larger > diameter to the panel itself. > > Tony Childs > 1972 Spitfire MKIV > FK38809UO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave > Connitt > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:33 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Location and orientation of the little coil springs behind > the > door panels for the door handle and window crank > > Does anybody know which way the little coil springs are installed on the > inside door handles and window cranks on a TR4A? > I think they go with the small diameter towards the door behind the door > panel? > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tochilds@bellsouth.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 11:24:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB8F2584D00 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 11:24:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113C42584C86 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 11:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0ND10080G9SDIE50@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 17:26:38 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-06_03:2014-10-06,2014-10-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410060159 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 10:26:36 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Ball Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. I'm looking to get my TR4 back on the road by reconnecting the vertical link to the ball joint. Strange thing is that my ball joint doesn't look like what's pictured in the STANPART guide or any of the usual vendors' catalogs. The top of the ball joint is completely flat; it has no opening for a grease nipple. Any ideas? Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 12:08:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE1625845EF for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365B425802EB for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [31.216.236.149] ([31.216.236.149:30161] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 99/30-13501-CB9D2345; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:04:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , References: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 11:04:42 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJGBdNUU3VnYcsZMIi1v0PnJeHD2ps3EtQQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Ball Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Do the pegs match the holes? If so, I'd guess you've got one of the "lubricated for life" (it's life, not yours) replacement parts. Otherwise, it may have been a wrong part (which may explain why it failed). Check the hole in the VL carefully as well. It should have an obvious taper to it, with a smooth straight surface inside the taper. If the old joint was loose for very long, or someone modified the VL to accept the wrong ball joint, then you need a new VL. If the taper in the VL doesn't match the taper on the ball joint exactly, it will fail again eventually. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 16:45:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740292584CB2 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:45:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m5.mx.aol.com (omr-m5.mx.aol.com [64.12.232.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6CC258071F for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mbd01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.13]) by omr-m5.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 41BF838000042; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.254.20] (cpe-071-075-151-104.carolina.res.rr.com [71.75.151.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mbd01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id D7C56380000A9; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:48:06 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Jack Mc Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:48:06 -0400 To: Jeffrey Gayton x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1412635687; bh=o1zX2yaBvr3/Riajr71sAAix3cAECpcCvmOhf1BIJgs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=TvFuLxIjS19Zk5RuKN55Ncnqqyl7bhb+k+XVvX22CzBSWQvNWTo8L3/vFZ/KQaIpW EmjSlmh/g/R33IuiAzizAZl3sUjBGk07Dbf3ljna5Vg8uP/ADY6Fi6vgd/fVcZCWht wNHl6ktyOdGm+aIUbEAt2jR97FyasPptIolDbfso= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc0d54331c265555 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Ball Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So happens I just looked at the Moss catalog listing for TR4 A ball joints - it lists a "permanently lubricated" joint - which would have no grease zerk - sounds like that's what u have Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Oct 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > > Greetings. I'm looking to get my TR4 back on the road by reconnecting the > vertical link to the ball joint. Strange thing is that my ball joint doesn't > look like what's pictured in the STANPART guide or any of the usual vendors' > catalogs. The top of the ball joint is completely flat; it has no opening for > a grease nipple. Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > > b Jeff > > 1962 Triumph TR4 > Surrey Top > Overdrive > Grey with Blue Stripes > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 16:59:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3152584CB9 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB202580777 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:59:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0ND100F27PBTVM00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:02:18 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-07_01:2014-10-06,2014-10-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410060217 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:02:17 -0700 References: <000601cfe190$024ec290$06ec47b0$@ca.rr.com> To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Ball Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Randall. I'll check out the VL when I get the wheel off. In my desire to quickly get the weight off the front right corner, I neglected to loosen the lug nuts before getting the car up on axle stands! > On 6 Oct 2014, at 11:04 AM, Randall wrote: > > Do the pegs match the holes? If so, I'd guess you've got one of the > "lubricated for life" (it's life, not yours) replacement parts. > > Otherwise, it may have been a wrong part (which may explain why it failed). > > Check the hole in the VL carefully as well. It should have an obvious taper > to it, with a smooth straight surface inside the taper. If the old joint > was loose for very long, or someone modified the VL to accept the wrong ball > joint, then you need a new VL. If the taper in the VL doesn't match the > taper on the ball joint exactly, it will fail again eventually. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 6 17:00:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B556E2584CB9 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FC72580777 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:00:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0ND100F27PBTVM00@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:02:57 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-07_01:2014-10-06,2014-10-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410060217 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:02:56 -0700 References: To: Jack Mc Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Ball Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You're right! I'd looked at the Moss catalog too, but stopped at the pictures of the early and later ball joints show grease nipples. I didn't notice that the description for the latter says it's permanently lubricated. Thanks! Interestingly, TRF sells early and late ball joints, but both appear to have grease nipples. > On 6 Oct 2014, at 3:48 PM, Jack Mc wrote: > > So happens I just looked at the Moss catalog listing for TR4 A ball joints - it lists a "permanently lubricated" joint - which would have no grease zerk - sounds like that's what u have > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 6, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: >> >> Greetings. I'm looking to get my TR4 back on the road by reconnecting the >> vertical link to the ball joint. Strange thing is that my ball joint doesn't >> look like what's pictured in the STANPART guide or any of the usual vendors' >> catalogs. The top of the ball joint is completely flat; it has no opening for >> a grease nipple. Any ideas? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> b Jeff >> >> 1962 Triumph TR4 >> Surrey Top >> Overdrive >> Grey with Blue Stripes >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 14:35:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7ED2580937 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71D225805EB for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:35:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id y10so7528325pdj.9 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=Pv12y7Eb9DzhWwWXnKWUyNErJTo95s05U7jaDLbKfIA=; b=FjDb4MsqAIvFn5723kzeL6C/zI5aVBuHjCTzHSExs0P6rT+AvEa+vomkG4yqAnIc0i BAOjnqCum7IkX6svDlHxjLJXXol6z2XOG3C/Z3ou8pKMtBbZb52tT+9exIgChX3ZDQ5j FjIEv1NwsgLYfX3HYVjrmIICo/n/II5mSf9qK0uidzvgPColpQcGpV0uExQDDOzATgCQ rN+TW8WKVvJJc7yqQz4UNGz2lnkLuiIpyqnET5sLy/vg0o+JZHqBFB9x3AlmdDX7FZ+3 Il4e58V8oqUdIqAEjQCpPMF2v+N/zMkcsdLeDcho3NcwEVq/ImJu+3dvW0kRXIAbAPgO Jqmg== Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (122-59-245-167.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [122.59.245.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yk3sm299319pbb.60.2014.10.08.13.38.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:39:02 +1300 Thread-Index: Ac/jN+T799GMYBO2QJyqg6xPoxJBIA== Subject: [TR] Seat rubber straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got TR5 seats in my 62' TR4 and am in the middle of a semi restore. I need to replace the rubber straps on my seats but Moss Europe and TRF don't have them. What do people use instead? Here is a link to a photo of them plus my semi restored chassis and tub: Seat: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_091657.jpg Tub: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_092205.jpg Chassis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20140810_173454.jpg Thankyou to all the TR people who have helped me in the past. Jim and the coming together slowly TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 14:46:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036C725809CA for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7EB25805EB for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hy10so7541274vcb.15 for ; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:46:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MgAXDb3kC/kzbgHw7ufwMPC901ROciuoJKBebabcL5U=; b=YEu9MRl4k8t+tWhhUcVBddVgfDJrwGd3n9mkYAOZg7Vmaa9yOKBECkyjaIsZQZ0Ats Dt8KbRssJK6zVzsWUXpqoqnUVpp30PaX8o57z9eW1ETEl5vvku09VlEenCwjMOJCXK6I KonV5sIut9G7uTbO1guOhLEjpugcP0USrOtnXqxhH5N7AnNuSmvvBSbApzh2mU1Yzo64 zbYS9jvrysgYYXXLqR69IZzjl/v4sYNj23fy9LV5qdZQrmb3SLg9WYakxt/9FZMF7V9k rZdOvXFqgocnc1hf/y9DlKOkKXn+k1vfnPknGZqb6M+GH0PNPa0T18CwsILymHNbaLtm eWoA== d15mr7492269vcm.76.1412801165868; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 13:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.53.0.169 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:46:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <55896842D7544C4D8B9CD1A4D53804D0@AMD5400> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:46:05 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jim Vassiliadis Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Seat rubber straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For my TR4 seats I used nylon (?) strapping from a fabric store. Has a bit of stretch so it can be made short enough that it will pull tight when the hooks are engaged. Geo On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Jim Vassiliadis wrote: > I've got TR5 seats in my 62' TR4 and am in the middle of a semi restore. > I need to replace the rubber straps on my seats but Moss Europe and TRF > don't have them. > What do people use instead? > Here is a link to a photo of them plus my semi restored chassis and tub: > Seat: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_091657.jpg > Tub: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_092205.jpg > Chassis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20140810_173454.jpg > > Thankyou to all the TR people who have helped me in the past. > Jim and the coming together slowly TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 15:31:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF0F2580B9A for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D5325805F9 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:26:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [176.249.76.103] (port=49348 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XbynN-001Aum-H3; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:29:17 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'Jim Vassiliadis'" , References: <55896842D7544C4D8B9CD1A4D53804D0@AMD5400> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:29:22 +0100 Thread-Index: AQF2TqvCNhbhddJnwfmC+QYuZP42UJzZ31jg Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] Seat rubber straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A cheapskate friend of mine once used a series of strips of a truck inner tube on a seat frame from an old Sunbean Rapiem. He wove the strips longitudinally and laterally and it was all held in place (and tension) using an industrial staple gun. Unconventional perhaps but a supremely comfortable seat after he was finished. Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Vassiliadis Sent: 08 October 2014 21:39 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Seat rubber straps I've got TR5 seats in my 62' TR4 and am in the middle of a semi restore. I need to replace the rubber straps on my seats but Moss Europe and TRF don't have them. What do people use instead? Here is a link to a photo of them plus my semi restored chassis and tub: Seat: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_091657.jpg Tub: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20141009_092205.jpg Chassis: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43163689/20140810_173454.jpg Thankyou to all the TR people who have helped me in the past. Jim and the coming together slowly TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8351 - Release Date: 10/08/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8351 - Release Date: 10/08/14 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 15:34:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8B725849DD for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m1.mx.aol.com (omr-m1.mx.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC4225805F9 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 15:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.99]) by omr-m1.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4C0D8380000E2; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha10f.mail.aol.com (core-mha10.mail.aol.com [172.27.110.10]) by mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 97D0438000081; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:37:39 -0400 (EDT) References: <55896842D7544C4D8B9CD1A4D53804D0@AMD5400> To: jimstr4@gmail.com Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com (64.12.250.164) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:37:39 -0400 From: "Andrew S. Mace" Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:37:39 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1412804260; bh=kRHcsNv74QGvOahhhG2mGkQyCLMY490vUyS3HuF/3fQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rc/2DqVFniJw4yjP5mYhIwUS3LAbS2MZ7Wz9ZhflBq95Iwa01o58aETqh1AQSqWh4 MAZlH5mH7Zel7JFAUEgS5eM89qR4fZrob6a2s1s+hBP9NaIo5Mok6edXJv8agCUHnw TS7pAmPpSEIQE8yeP3+DlMHf+qZQhtLf74wHYWT4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b01635435aea30b13 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Seat rubber straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just put "Pirelli webbing" into your search engine and you'll likely find some close to you! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Jim Vassiliadis wrote: I've got TR5 seats in my 62' TR4 and am in the middle of a semi restore. I need to replace the rubber straps on my seats but Moss Europe and TRF don't have them.> What do people use instead? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 18:52:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DA12585386 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2F42584946 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0ouR1p0042Udklx01oua1r; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:54:34 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 0oua1p00U2Azwqi01ouaLE; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 00:54:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 00:54:29 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: woodruff key Thread-Index: LF/+eRkeephFGwGBt03xdRrb2CPi8w== s=q20140121; t=1412816074; bh=Xc0NsM6JSB/EzHB691UaMkO4fqWaxzz0/t5Xaw+4rmU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=BzHMCDlva9r/h3hwpOl/pizHLTyvyyTAkpL3hGV1QdHjgig1oAVKz879uB9PJNpdg qJpSPaMbrNTAY0OQLvTZ6xDztdeKrz4stt83Nb6y3pbvnXv9lKVAIvXPkWJkz/dM/M z/z15p2THsBIFzqLuBiutvBuahfCNQJQ+s5/3w88HfQOrXavLebw+mXYfxQwcq5OUx dyXOC72BbDDHfw3XL8KDGzgt68+lsA7xrSShU5VnDUkJoLAneuTf7cM25JPzzouXg2 vTo50n3U8oA+8S6I4rX2lISOgSwKk/GBpGW8O5t3hqbOnPxc60JSdcGLZrUapaEe2/ 80hJ8CUru/BNw== Subject: [TR] woodruff key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B How does one remove a stubborn woodruff key, one that's already pretty well butchered by a punch and vise grips? B TIA, B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 19:21:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5210C25853AE for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4932584946 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:20:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 0pQ51p0103alfWF01pQ6ug; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 18:24:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:24:04 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: fogbro1@comcast.net, triumph list References: <1751745248.4034659.1412816069904.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] woodruff key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...in the extreme.. I'd drill a bunch of small bore holes to relieve the expansion from all the punching done.. that should help I'd think.. Dave On 10/8/2014 6:54 PM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > List, > B > How does one remove a stubborn woodruff key, one that's already pretty well > butchered by a punch and vise grips? > B > TIA, > B > Ed Woods > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 19:35:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E3F2585446 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:35:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B942525853F7 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:34:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [82.141.228.145] ([82.141.228.145:18016] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C7/06-22652-AC6E5345; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 01:37:15 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'triumph list'" References: <1735508488.4034139.1412815978330.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <1751745248.4034659.1412816069904.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:37:13 -0700 Thread-Index: AQF21+Ejt5zWIh/uaarE+hlVT/B2AJzZEoXw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] woodruff key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > How does one remove a stubborn woodruff key, one that's already pretty well > butchered by a punch and vise grips? I assume that means you can no longer catch it with a cold chisel. I've not had occasion to try it, but my next step would be to cut down through the center of it with a Dremel abrasive cutoff blade. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 19:49:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4089258547D for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:49:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8B725853DE for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo306 ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141009014757.PWPX2658.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306> for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:47:57 -0400 Received: from Bedroom ([68.228.216.208]) by eastrmimpo306 with cox id 0pnw1p00Z4WMef001pnx4h; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:47:57 -0400 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=AfkO9dp5ueQk11dd5icA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: , "'triumph list'" References: <1735508488.4034139.1412815978330.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <0ov31p0180NyJgq01ov50D> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:48:10 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/jYxRfXEw+e9cCSZ+PjnXQguqfZA== Subject: Re: [TR] woodruff key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dremel tool with a cutoff wheel. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:54 PM To: triumph list Subject: [TR] woodruff key List, B How does one remove a stubborn woodruff key, one that's already pretty well butchered by a punch and vise grips? B TIA, B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 8 21:34:36 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946F825854F1 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from ewout03.consolidated.net (ewout03.consolidated.net [206.123.242.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4229A258081C for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:30:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] ([173.16.28.91]) by ewout03.consolidated.net ({7f4c37df-33fe-4041-bc97-39fcf9138839}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTPSA id 20141009033311758 (AUTH triumphs@consolidated.net); Thu, 09 Oct 2014 03:33:11 +0000 References: <1751745248.4034659.1412816069904.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> From: Home Consolidated Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:33:05 -0500 To: "fogbro1@comcast.net" Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] woodruff key Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Heat the shaft or chill the key. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad > On Oct 8, 2014, at 7:54 PM, fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > > List, > B > How does one remove a stubborn woodruff key, one that's already pretty well > butchered by a punch and vise grips? > B > TIA, > B > Ed Woods > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs@consolidated.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 9 19:19:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD052580BAE for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3D42580539 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:18:39 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=nTPD4Lm0JE4lceGHb4IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=QRdaPfPF1tREbwee9U0A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=dMVtkp8VO5TYZAfY:21 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50176] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id B0/62-07537-BA437345; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 21:21:47 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 21:26:56 -0400 Subject: [TR] Putting a convertible top on my TR4A this weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, After considering my options on getting a convertible top on my TR4A, I decided to try it myself. I was reading over some instructions in my copy of "How to Restore a TR4A" and thought, well crap, I can do that! So, I ordered a top from Team Triumph and it will be here tomorrow. I already have the webbing kit, the new rubber windshield seal and have a lift-a-dot tool on the way with the top. I'll let you know how it works out. If anybody has any tips, I would appreciate them! Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 9 20:00:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF9725849FD for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 20:00:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9CA258043B for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:56:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:63385] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id AA/34-17920-07D37345; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 01:59:13 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Dave Connitt" , References: <22E05FB7D48C4CDF9A0364044E8C7FE9@DaveLaptop> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Putting a convertible top on my TR4A this weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The Buckeye Triumph site http://buckeyetriumphs.org/technical/TR6Top/TR6SoftTop.htm has a nice pictured tutorial on fitting a TR250/6 top, other than the side window velcro fittings they are pretty similar to the TR4A. I did my TR250 top, first time I had done a top, though I have done a couple tonneaus. Sidewalk chalk is your friend fold it in half, find the middle, mark it with the sidewalk chalk, start from the back middle and work your way forward, mark where you need to make holes for the various fittings with the sidewalk chalk, that is it down to the bare bones, one of the critical bits to get it to fit and look good, contact cement (for the header rail) does stick on contact, but you can still pull it up and go again if it is not quite right. Good luck. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Connitt" Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:26 PM To: Subject: [TR] Putting a convertible top on my TR4A this weekend > Well, > After considering my options on getting a convertible top on my TR4A, I > decided to try it myself. I was reading over some instructions in my copy > of > "How to Restore a TR4A" and thought, well crap, I can do that! > So, I ordered a top from Team Triumph and it will be here tomorrow. I > already > have the webbing kit, the new rubber windshield seal and have a lift-a-dot > tool on the way with the top. > I'll let you know how it works out. If anybody has any tips, I would > appreciate them! > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 04:49:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B57258530C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 04:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from xsmtp09.mail2web.com (xsmtp09.mail2web.com [168.144.250.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14F32584563 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 04:45:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.5.41.14] (helo=M2W114.mail2web.com) by xsmtp09.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1XcXkC-0003RI-Db; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:48:24 -0400 From: "v6spitfireguy@cox.net" To: dconnitt@fuse.net Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:50:50 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Putting a convertible top on my TR4A this weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a side note, install the top when its cool, or cold out. If done when warm or hot, the top will be difficult if not impossible to fit when cold! Original email: ----------------- Well, After considering my options on getting a convertible top on my TR4A, I decided to try it myself. I was reading over some instructions in my copy of "How to Restore a TR4A" and thought, well crap, I can do that! So, I ordered a top from Team Triumph and it will be here tomorrow. I already have the webbing kit, the new rubber windshield seal and have a lift-a-dot tool on the way with the top. I'll let you know how it works out. If anybody has any tips, I would appreciate them! Thanks, Dave Connitt -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 05:49:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3E8258469D for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:49:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CDD258074D for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com [172.26.50.175]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7E9927039A5DB for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.73]) by mtaomg-mcb01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1C30C38000084 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:52:59 -0400 (EDT) References: <380-2201410510105050155@M2W114.mail2web.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va130.sysops.aol.com (149.174.96.112) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:52:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:52:59 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1412941979; bh=vzxjb8+aHuaBMw7j9DA4ffhjL0fDEki2haLv5ltErwU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qnjnnFygdyX80a+Yl+FFMGL33NVbBpFBRvMrX05AfckmIIvvu6O68NH+hvUy1sT52 jttet3tNEpGe+bxfQQHEW+HEx0cBeciGMT0YuleA+PitMNXA0PBl0A5aYJkcCN6knl bA3TGiVCOx1aFGYJqO6oJekZ9iseOEhzegEETR1M= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a32af5437c89b1ae6 Subject: Re: [TR] Putting a convertible top on my TR4A this weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Amen, brother! Dave -----Original Message----- From: v6spitfireguy Just a side note, install the top when its cool, or cold out. If done when warm or hot, the top will be difficult if not impossible to fit when cold! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 06:44:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26A92584B19 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:44:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA63258086C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:43:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b13so3792255wgh.0 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:46:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hhfiLSafrRhG/PyLLRkNrAsniplQ8Xi+sQxCKsLj0Nc=; b=Z1bvJ4ViIx7lrpx08eR486cbwcxYNlqidVxkoTvgHr3yVAWnAuS35qhBPwfSpyhFaI P2zdq1k5rV/Hjjx/QSkfTyMiO0chcOmfpAt5mTZrpdlSinoCDnnZ5AJ72IC4pL8b9lCd 7zsN8vsZTUPrfkzm6xBiFBQDsFPrGvMtrVDEbmUsnABm3Po8+sH5CtOJeBmULyliNQ42 Ex/1TWeIIqCL3ev6zPkaXuUTvlZwOI2pRm4tPM4hNNrYxCepLCwJJwntX9sV/Pwd0EOx tD+0YJSDHMyW3qdpCCZM4j729fqpG+0ERN+ahvViJffJ3DA0iGGkDKtajK6u+lTV4XNa QS2g== s14mr4510668wju.8.1412945197715; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 05:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:46:37 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This past Monday I broke down and purchased a 1972 TR6 with 62,695 original miles :) The car is a two owner car where the 2nd owner purchased it in 1976 from his friend who had purchased the car new. It's lived indoors all it's life, never been driven in the rain unless caught in a storm while out driving on a weekend. The car was pampered and well cared for. The bumpers are beautiful, the dash top is perfect, seats are perfect except for the drivers rubber seat diaphram. The carpet has been replace with what I consider cheap black glued down carpet. The tonneau cover looks brand new as does the top cover. The top does need to be replaced due to severe shrinkage and some tears. It was originally Maroon but was repainted about 30 years ago in a Porsche grey. Overall the current paint job is acceptable for the time being but will someday need to be repainted. He also changed oil religiously at 2,000 miles, which on the face of it could have been once every couple of years based on the mileage. After every use he used Armor All on the dash top, and the seats as they look brand new and he waxed the car after almost every use He used lemon oil on the wood dash face. It still has the original exhaust system, is sitting on it's second set of Michlen red line tires although the right front tire is actually the original Goodyear red line spare as the right front was leaking badly through the sidewalls. Oddly after the paint job 30 years ago he didn't bother to re-install the headlight rings or even install the male snaps on the doors or body. Ne never used the tonneau cover or the soft top cover instead he just left the top folded down and drove. There are only a couple of minor downsides. One is the fact that he painted it Porsche grey instead of it's original color. Regardless whoever painted it actually did a pretty decent job overall including painting the engine compartment. The other is under the battery there is a half dollar sized hole hole from battery acid. It still has the original (or identical replacement) alternator. Here's where I would like some advice. The car has literally been in storage for the last 5 years. I'm trying to figure out the best way to prep the engine for it's for it's first start since put in storage. When it went into storage he drained the fuel tank due to laws requiring cars stored in storage units to be empty of fuel. The engine is not frozen as it can be turned over by rotating the fan blade. It's a little stiff but does turn. He also periodically spread oil on the carburetor pistons to keep them from sticking. So my thoughts are to pull the fuel tank and have it cleaned and sealed (local place does a nice job on tanks), flush the fuel lines and then replace all rubber fuel lines and filters, pull and replace the plugs and squirt Marvel Mystery oil down the bores and turn the engine over by hand a bunch of revs and then change the oil and filter. I'm not to worried about the carburetors leaking as I will be rebuilding them once I get the engine running. I'd like to know where things stand with the engine before working on anything else. He said the engine ran perfectly before he put it in storage. Plans for the winter will be to rebuild the front and rear suspension. Rebuild all of the brakes including replacing the master cylinder, all hoses and rebuilding/replacing all wheel cylinders and calipers. Same for the clutch hydraulics. At the moment both master cylinders are empty. I also plan to replace all hoses in the cooling system and have he radiator cleaned at the radiator shop. Thoughts? Thanks! Brad 1972 TR6 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 07:20:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956482584BBF for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:20:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f175.google.com (mail-wi0-f175.google.com [209.85.212.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208B5258086C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id d1so2003145wiv.14 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:23:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=SpeEnXX1PYns0r6Gpfa4mCQSw1fv5jwEusKvg7r1xlQ=; b=MDIsYKZvHSjM4fjZ41dMrYqXKwZILXxngWA4m+fYx1QtISqUz+bl+XrCT3gEl6ZbK4 dwvwmd0dVHo3SRrlDf1qH9wal9XxMT9h0hWHX6yvfQcjUyNWmVEQbdBzymcYQdI0YIpy 9MPqOLtg/KVZoVi3Q1ti7wV+NInNZ4gvzSGBl0DX9CBtbflns5LG7Jf/1yLKiq6i6tPC u+L0g0le6M4Kvni+RxLnLcYydB5JswAhlTMtc89f6ewS4temiRsy74F9AE0s9to9odUp 9TScxbl6ZKaFm5uvvdKAi2djxFLI6gGpzWdVMMJH+ZqsUwdjqSFZz9I/1iDBKTnFRAI3 PIag== ln7mr4802236wjc.30.1412947410216; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 06:23:30 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:23:30 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Geo Hahn Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Morning George, Looking down in the gas tank it looks solid but there is some light rust. A radiator shop in town will clean the tank and then coat it with a liquid liner of some sort that seals it. I had them do it for my TR4 and have had no issues. Pulling the valve cover and lubing the rocker arm shaft sounds like a good idea. I'm expecting it to run like crap due to the carburetors but knowing it runs would take a little load off my mind :) I've got time to pull the tank since I do want the oil in the cylinders to sit for a few days to a week or so before trying to start it. As for tires, yep they do need to be replaced! There is an amazing amount of tread left but after 30 some years they are just an accident looking for a place to happen! Thanks! Brad On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Brad - > > The story is not unlike the car I acquired 2 years ago. In that case the > PO had purchased a new gas tank and half installed it so I didn't have a > concern with rust & crud in there. > > Oil in cylinders sounds good to me, you might also remove the valve cover > and dribble motor oil over the rocker shaft. > > I didn't do much before starting it - mainly cranked it w/o the coil > connected to verify oil pressure and get things lubed, then started it. > Ran like crap (carbs needed work) but ran. > > Carbs, brakes, rubber bits, new radiator, new tires, paint -- 8 months > later it was my driver and has done several long road trips around the > Southwest. > > Of course you do not need to wait for the fuel tank work to be done before > hearing the engine as any container of gas can be used as a source - in > fact for a brief run just filling the fuel bowls is enough. > > Not on your list - but I'm sure you'll have 5 new tires before going > anywhere. > > Geo > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> This past Monday I broke down and purchased a 1972 TR6 with 62,695 >> original >> miles :) >> >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 08:03:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484322584B71 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:03:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B6B2580863 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id mk6so3270407lab.15 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=O4N3pvSRFV6OH4SYIZo6WDbIoehbMwjG5oP9FAu5K4U=; b=F2NRqr5vayxX1uNJR9WhKagOdv/E6TXZ3HAcWSF7Sp6H/qW1rWeIkmHUNeb4PcLpHD rtZ0iIuEPa/HG4rA2AUetia7FQ/l8ZD/V0nWlSUe0zxPmjf4/syKzXkSFRUlJRIWmCcI +UjpEXgsKQyHxkeYKNLmytBGIuuuqAyy+bvKv79I6GpsVlJ5xNE9dzgHwRlprfPFGVyb jwYYMyI9IrYc6sdqoHMIE0RBIKSBcfZOAUGRHGWo4kpSBgHjg/lFMOneYkllEnMHbdE2 VnQkXg5L5eHqrc4kqKvwRw2uWtxGd90FHJrg+tgnljgtsiw9R/DdIQjUixbkF5n+tBKk BINg== m2mr4931638lbc.74.1412949960437; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.87.42 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:06:00 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My thoughts are that you are being very thorough. Rock on. On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > This past Monday I broke down and purchased a 1972 TR6 with 62,695 original > miles :) > > > Thoughts? > > Thanks! > > Brad > 1972 TR6 > 1963 TR4 > pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 08:29:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D52584BAC for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:29:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C2F2580863 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:26:30 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=yxWB5sjSfjNLEc5oHYgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=83Mk3PIRuanbHw0mwpkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=JvoRff0SQwHlF3F5:21 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50304] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 0F/5D-23124-25DE7345; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:29:39 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:34:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] More thoughts on installing my TR4A top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, One more thing I need to figure out the assembly sequence on is that the little retainer bar that I bolt down to the top of the body behind the seats at the moment doesn't have the male lift-a-dot studs in it. I think the original studs were threaded on the back and were attached with a nut. They were hopelessly rusted so I am pretty sure I pitched them years ago. I have since powder coated the retainer bar at the same time I had the metal top frame powder coated. I am thinking I should attach all the studs at one time vs. doing them one at a time as I locate and punch the snap holes in the top. The reason is I think the threaded male lift-a-dot studs are probably no longer available as I think the new ones I am getting are crimped on somehow. Has anyone done this recently on their cars? Also, I need a souce for the small rubber bumper that is used to adjust the top mechanism. Thanks, Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 08:38:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E82F2584B9E for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8542580AFD for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 1Sh11p00Q4oFfFQ01Sh4pv; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 07:41:04 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:34:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net here's a good list http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 08:52:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B572584E65 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.enterhost.com (smtp01.enterhost.com [208.65.128.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5092584BDD for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198] by smtp01.enterhost.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A36882A00BE; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:55:36 -0500 Received: from 99-187-240-202.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.240.202] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:55:30 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:55:28 -0500 References: <6D3DD6D7ACAF4C8894CCFB4E99A1FA32@DaveLaptop> To: Dave Connitt Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] More thoughts on installing my TR4A top Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, You need to install the male studs as part of attaching the top to that bar. The stud bases will act as the attachments. You essentially wrap the top over the bar, being careful to respect the centerline of both pieces. You then install the studs through BOTH, and peen the edges over, securing one to the other for all seven studs. On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Dave Connitt wrote: > Hello, > One more thing I need to figure out the assembly sequence on is that the > little retainer bar that I bolt down to the top of the body behind the seats > at the moment doesn't have the male lift-a-dot studs in it. I think the > original studs were threaded on the back and were attached with a nut. They > were hopelessly rusted so I am pretty sure I pitched them years ago. I have > since powder coated the retainer bar at the same time I had the metal top > frame powder coated. I am thinking I should attach all the studs at one time > vs. doing them one at a time as I locate and punch the snap holes in the top. > The reason is I think the threaded male lift-a-dot studs are probably no > longer available as I think the new ones I am getting are crimped on somehow. > Has anyone done this recently on their cars? > Also, I need a souce for the small rubber bumper that is used to adjust the > top mechanism. > Thanks, > Dave > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 10:06:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651422585025 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E32C25802AF for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:06:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id fb4so2520264wid.12 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VcPEKuo3NnsZbvVCzjMBj3yyf6OEb4gQKNjSBqiJRoE=; b=xQOufnvrjvcpEXTD1CUR8X30vUbTF04hyI4cVEf0btRWrzIPRnHAZyF4pgtmxxCHVE U62IPC1sFbEdnKb2/Tx3SQx5fcw/ODIabjM4v///g3ByQJWSEsLJj9mRTXLJXn2F6TJP +QtuLKteDUA+uRhkLVCDZRDYuX9KR7mYwP83FZGaRlBRqQsQyPKPatDeuC24s0rnwybI 9E/QEHQrv1+S87/GMtz+yF/i5/cBl3WckHkTm7V40/hhkp6cpsMrgiKQe2HRI6PD1zbt ZbUNKwbx0Gxh+nnu77l7imrGDNKdkQC3MhzQi9Ev0br+Cilzlch+lDupTiACSBkqy99k kzNg== q6mr5839678wia.15.1412957373019; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:09:32 -0700 (PDT) References: <45D18299C0074480A38D819E7D28D36D@Ranteer.local> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:09:32 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: dave n Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave, good list and it pretty much covers everything I had in mind. Thanks for sharing. *rad* On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, dave n wrote: > here's a good list > > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 12:38:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367CB258078C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:38:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f176.google.com (mail-ig0-f176.google.com [209.85.213.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AEF258078C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hn15so3814313igb.15 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j36PDTDc4V7I4lkSEtdLgcuTU/V9L/vwQOIkvGOnHFA=; b=pNjbZXIf6i0gndog/MkUQ1a+6fJxNysgMxB0/dWWIWCKlp3+0xl8A0cyyZDp8aiAKG pbIMKAPn1MY0pKEnH8GfKMhbK9UpK9G3hgKpl0czIEQaiCJD/Yb9qhqT0ewnZs4N5yTX 4HUPCWeFk0QPRahZACqTZnkN+PfDP2jno6/Ji9ApfCev1c8tAZMfBn4wcQq0/49Pu+z4 icaiknMoApfD3LATBqlfhdvSOOgRxbw14iT8toip0XsxwnurxDRw2p1ZE00N/ytGCPbO VM/sD0iy7SRL5ZbOLNnvFYDsZ+Huo9aAqPM+KpV1h0ZSsikwFpSQ6K6EZA0HlnfG31/1 38wg== ax8mr9509461igc.30.1412966482684; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.90.11 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:41:22 -0600 From: Lee Janssen To: Brad Kahler , triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After all these years you finally go over to the dark side and get a low performance TR6? Have you lost your mind? Just remember the following: 1) you are talking about a triumph - not a ferrari. 2) it is only a TR6 which has so little power if you lose 10% you will never notice. Just fill the damn thing with gas, put in a new battery check all of the fluids and drive it a couple hundred miles. It is the only way to properly test the car. And if it does break you can always tow it back home with your high performance TR4 (or is that TR$). Enjoy Lee Janssen '74 turbo TR6 Denver CO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 12:39:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B237258545D for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:39:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0847D2584BA6 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0ND800EJMRX2X010@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:41:27 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-10_08:2014-10-10,2014-10-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410100152 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:41:25 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. It is possible (safe, effective) to use the Lucas TR4A horn relay as a headlight relay? I'm considering upgrading to halogen headlights and would like to avoid putting an ugly, modern-looking relay in my engine compartment. Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 12:47:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FBB25854A6 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f44.google.com (mail-qg0-f44.google.com [209.85.192.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8CB258078C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:46:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id j5so4371556qga.31 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:49:54 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:to; bh=hMn8nrZLBFUa5FAtX+DXCk4TtRl9KBHzf4MbD3pNrWQ=; b=rrjhtUWjiaN50XzIpwPUX6kCuYqzkE/eA5u/2PyIXXK9vpR6b6FRoeZpvT6jL7f91V HJlYKvKnbkjLjxd2amNSiyVF5eT9ar4mXr6syb7Okq4W3yLx/TDSMAyzDRjOe6SFTWBz i2wc9SydOjyPgFoacFkvsCHdVaDTbjFOsQytcrF+x/Hu+d1mJKvLAtSIkssl8fl4qx+0 g2bSUayGUgoy8ggUnIpFpNj6ybrVb88u6rTU2GzsAnHRkL1kFhckuiiwQy9jDo/pmvVE aM1mDHx5iYYQl4sVzonRTXgeLVuhjW/dHwjwBXHtx7DQQz6e6AycIjEn7obP084Njrjr 98Hg== j10mr11725104qan.43.1412966993894; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.239.29.24] (110.sub-174-252-96.myvzw.com. [174.252.96.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id z89sm5681496qge.39.2014.10.10.11.49.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: JOSEPH SIMCOE Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:49:39 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 1976 Color Codes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have seen listed, that in 1976 Pimento Red TR 6's did not have the option of a Beige Interior (Trim code 74) Does anyone know if this is correct? Thanks Joe Simcoe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 13:15:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7D125854E1 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E42825807BA for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141010191454.GTAJ28942.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:14:54 -0400 Received: from Bedroom ([68.228.216.208]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id 1XEt1p00Z4WMef001XEuho; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:14:54 -0400 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=e7TDvEnWWJw_lFTKt9sA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , References: <1WiB1p00w0NyJgq01WiCvr> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:15:14 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/kuezN0vkkkihtS7uhqfd5bCPNNQABFRKA Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Since horns don't draw anywhere near as much current as Halogen Headlamps, it might not handle the current. Look for one that is current rated well above the amount of current the headlamps will draw or it will burn the relay contacts. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Gayton Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 11:41 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Headlight Relays Greetings. It is possible (safe, effective) to use the Lucas TR4A horn relay as a headlight relay? I'm considering upgrading to halogen headlights and would like to avoid putting an ugly, modern-looking relay in my engine compartment. Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 13:16:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C2F25854EE for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:16:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571562580032 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 13:16:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0ND800F8ZTO3MGB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:19:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 15:19:13 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Jeffrey Gayton , triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A simple alternative..... using the stock wiring with a relay in each headlight bucket. You only need to add one hot wire up and into each light bucket. Use the original hot coming from the dashboard switch to power the relays rather than the headlamp directly oh and yes... the horn relay can handle stock headlamps. Halogens vary...so I will not personally state yes or no to halogens on the stock relay ptegler On 10/10/2014 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. It is possible (safe, effective) to use the Lucas TR4A horn relay > as a headlight relay? I'm considering upgrading to halogen headlights and > would like to avoid putting an ugly, modern-looking relay in my engine > compartment. > > Thanks. > > > b Jeff > > 1962 Triumph TR4 > Surrey Top > Overdrive > Grey with Blue Stripes > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 17:33:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65321258086C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:33:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AB42580539 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:33:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [83.70.148.169] ([83.70.148.169:55476] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 99/D2-21537-58D68345; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:36:38 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , References: <54383131.1020408@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 16:36:35 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJBHHzbkMHui3r2kIdEMWm+FuJpYQIHM5frmzdQVlA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > A simple alternative..... > using the stock wiring with a relay in each headlight bucket. > You only need to add one hot wire up and into each light bucket. Or any place nearby where they will be hidden from view. On the back of the bucket is totally hidden on a TR3: http://goo.gl/CspidD (Sorry I forgot to take a photo of the final setup. It looked neater without the plugs.) My original sleeving was shot, so I replaced it. http://goo.gl/ni6hrv Purple is even a reasonable color code, since the wire is always hot but fused. (Actually, self-resetting circuit breakers, one per side, also located in a hidden spot above the passenger's knees. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 18:45:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E552584437 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2EF0258078C for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:40:53 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=Zsgdk3lw1ZNGHa9SSnEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=D0tatvIciz4A:10 a=KnsqbAdTqGMA:10 a=0Btn-1eAoR8A:10 a=qftMkuFpRbOq0GHH:21 a=Io5CmpTMj69wAocA:21 a=xc3YjC6j3INHiXc7f7QA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=znMoILxlErnDfziY:21 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50555] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id D2/D6-22386-25D78345; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:44:02 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:49:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR Top update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, I have the top frame mounted on my TR4A but it looks like I won't be able to attach the top until I get the 7 male lift-a-dot studs and backup washers. I was assuming they would be included with the top. Oh well, not the first time I had a delay. Probably won't be the last. Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 10 19:33:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDDB25844B2 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E766E258065E for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 19:33:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:59091] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 64/66-32191-49988345; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 01:36:21 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Brad Kahler" , "Triumphs" References: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:36:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like you are on the right track, if you are planning on starting it up the only thing I would add is you might check the diaphragms on the Stromberg carbs, easy to check and if they dried and cracked it will run like crap when you first try to start it up. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 07:22:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87DF2584957 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:22:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E9E2580963 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hi2so4219991wib.3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:24:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JQzQLqpuQNlLVlQ7CY8Ddqp6s1RIgn/AjiXrZqbjJuE=; b=Nenetycl81T296h9ebV8kDf+n2yUe+gjSypCuSNyicd0tkHA1eRkiT+iLGb+EFzuOC 4XurVvI94gGtcGD+34Cx9eDQYQZBoCxDw/K6mIHlGq/LYFJozjmQdhjYYtKiMdnJyPm0 OZ+I25OMoiwfL9wePrDAT7ULR7Z2oS1kBKKZWgGPY+F14Mc8H1mgsBO6P6PJR7zOc8LS IJpitG3Ie3dGz4yn7grz9K9UNT6w86PbAZzhNhir7TpSw9PcL6Jjp9+WprOPRW9Am6d6 TapfFiFGDM41dR8xb8hIjf+ap2VRUrkDPfLL01M5pYhd+swyMC8PW0TBPMqJxX+KWQyb RKhA== b8mr1915366wjx.106.1413033875063; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:24:34 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:24:34 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Greg Lemon Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greg, This is my first real exposure to Stromberg carburetors. I owned a couple of TR6s 35+ years ago but never had to work on the carbs so this should be an eye opening experience :) I'm planning a full rebuild of the Strombergs so even if it runs crappy I should at least have an idea of what I've got on my hands. I have no plans to try and drive the car until next spring. I need to go through the brakes and clutch hydraulics and I noticed yesterday that the rubber boots on the ball joints and tie-rod ends are gone so a front suspension rebuild will also take place this winter. Thanks! Brad On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > > Sounds like you are on the right track, if you are planning on starting it > up the only thing I would add is you might check the diaphragms on the > Stromberg carbs, easy to check and if they dried and cracked it will run > like crap when you first try to start it up. > > Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 07:23:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4A02584946 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:23:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3798E2580963 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 07:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id a1so5732552wgh.33 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5F67tU1YPI8PwgEDuRCMeMLxQolBJXOR9yshQqKRGQM=; b=o0sXXCZtVHgMWl5rNEbdj6Dktu2m8JOwIkJ4ng/O6xy199fit5PRK8EBwqTwHc3vh7 SKaxXDJKhlaBFyGlygFgEcsIldiTZbF89zG4ej2rVx4JLVTn4mBYWGbQxnDwM429qaHK KzzwSEiYVb2UVwTNuSDxiJT69g0x1txRVdjt/BlxuFLWJQfjRigNJKclCmm6p6WtMnDN yN/Lni/kOk+NyjHgVpyEN+AvJByIFndYvGCMV/kVokmP+0kO3/6JKMmBMv2PUY6Jn959 xqHrFKxidLmr78ORdSbFoNQ9RsXrrHtJefQa11yxLg1MRW7FPL4V522fLzoTD/gdvegC gQZw== q6mr10428994wia.15.1413033978085; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:26:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <45D18299C0074480A38D819E7D28D36D@Ranteer.local> <002901cfe553$ad96c820$08c45860$@roadrunner.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:26:18 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tim, Good point. I hadn't even thought about the thrust washers prior to your comment. Without clutch hydraulics it might be a little difficult but that will be the first thing I check when I put it up on jack stands today or tomorrow. Thanks for the tip! Brad On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Tim Hutchisen wrote: > Brad, > Check the crankshaft endplay prior to running the engine. That > mileage is about right for thrust washer replacement. Oil pan can be > dropped > with the engine in the car (which would allow for a thorough cleaning). > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > www.pennridgemotors.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad > Kahler > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:10 PM > > > here's a good list > > > > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 12:32:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC7C2580957 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6CE25803B5 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 1uba1p0012Ka2Q501ubfYc; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:35:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 1ubd1p00F0E03aX01ubfDr; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:35:39 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:35:37 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413052539; bh=80XwzPLET97L8kP8ct3iPpNWU4Z2XHvCAcNenHUTDc8=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=QMCj2CKCyN/BRWPEHGPJc+Va9X5MMXyXenck+i2ZXkl8i8gAeWWEPPE0PtEkNVIEN w06i9lwJb/XrO8GtuPT8RP9qSMqKqFHpifXFtvAaijEzHOAqLesoBaq+7mnbtgK3sv h2y1HUiMZo9OBobi6NBju/Or3l4vCmTRjAN/6wdk2P3TYdLIvsH3tcC2mwun01gaw2 JXVyO46DXtmsnOnm7L3ZJ4++2Rt4OK7007oCR41HZwGS31L97MVPQy8HxTPebibyW2 KUV7tiaJ7P8qsYB3i+6ZO/Ot8m2J43+eOZFLLzwQjfuMsrsjv8UY6c1afdo8VBUbhM OGtHwqKS64GmA== Cc: "jtgayton@icloud.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used two regular 30 amp relays and put them under a headlight bucket, screwed into the bucket. They are visible only if you look. -Tony On Oct 11, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:41:25 -0700 > From: Jeffrey Gayton > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Headlight Relays > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Greetings. It is possible (safe, effective) to use the Lucas TR4A horn relay > as a headlight relay? I'm considering upgrading to halogen headlights and > would like to avoid putting an ugly, modern-looking relay in my engine > compartment. > > Thanks. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 12:47:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBC425846B3 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:47:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9B425803B5 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [174.16.1.13] (108-68-51-234.uvs.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.68.51.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s9BImmDo017955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 11:48:49 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Relays Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I did this, I mounted modern square relays in the driver footwell, and used the original wiring out to the buckets. It was completely tucked away and invisible; you can even get relays that have integral fuses. It's straightforward to splice into the bullet connectors there. The original wiring is not as thick as one might like, but the real source of voltage drop is the column switch. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 19:18:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C796258051C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:18:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.167]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B1E2580458 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:18:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.242]) by resqmta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 21MS1p0015E3ZMc011MdaM; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:21:37 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 21Md1p0035DXkUJ011MdoH; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:21:37 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:21:37 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Pertronix Thread-Index: G3tHSV4v1r28pJS8TQMsycbyQnvWrA== s=q20140121; t=1413076897; bh=QPX7iiKnyViGHhESNLqaqggVIlRv14HROMnh34zufjs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=G3uyixNJTD09ptAzRV5j9y27cT4/xccgxlTvPYUyHQ0/oXmk9fR77KwUY7gXwwfm4 lH9E/KewPAg+GqeX/nhQO0MQ7ec9oCw4l9EBPFLP0rYl7fFBaXO15k9FzCFPG8uXca HDGyFIj4yxjwMmU0Uyu+vTQ1mgR+8QAnhqcSFn5HOQse9uMjcgIu/StciGUFwQe2Vz UBPtCGfKH4ryhQY77a7rKKJUeLjUTgCvfzfqsaxl4Rwdz4yoH+FQsU6g9CabYK2J+S EwNmhZDjthpWaVyrPzKj/R8xzp/chf1ZSIbPq8AkEA/oSWNqtoKKMvk0R1aE95Olgp ZluPcKI2oSm0Q== Subject: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been--and continue to be--a big fan of electronic ignition for my TR3A. No gradual degrading of points, no resetting or filing, and so on. Just had my boat distributor rebuilt by Advanced Distributers in MN (NFI and all that). They did a great job on a Triumph dizzy too. As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with Pertronix has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic fields of the wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in power. One particular empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end engine that found a 30 horsepower increase switching to points after several disappointing tests with Pertronix. I'm not inclined to disbelieve it, necessarily. In the navy in the late 60's, I worked on WWII radios in very old sub hunt and seek prop planes. They had odd interferences like inter-electrode capacitance issues. So...opening it up to the List. I'm way to removed from electronics these days to profess expertise. Jeff thought people would say he's crazy. Thoughts? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire, where inter-snowflake capacitance is a very real issue come on to January.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 21:36:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7014125845A9 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AA7258051C for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [77.75.101.131] ([77.75.101.131:55120] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 4B/7D-06153-0F7F9345; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:39:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:39:25 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFz+pa3YYZoSB6FbnMuGqxnvPVUPAL5nAHWA5ok+MGcrwZG4A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with Pertronix > has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic fields of the > wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in power. One particular > empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end engine that found a 30 > horsepower increase switching to points after several disappointing tests with > Pertronix. I certainly don't think he's crazy, it's quite possible IMO. It would be interesting to know what effect, if any, that various EMI/EFI suppression measures had; and maybe also some scope traces of what the Pertronix was actually doing. But without that kind of evidence, it's just a hypothesis. Given all the stories I've heard of defective pickups and modules, he may have just found one of those. I tossed my Pertronix back in the bin after discovering it was causing odd starting problems. And having the car gently remind me that it's time for a service doesn't seem like such a Bad Thing, to me. After all, it is an old car, and changing points is part of the old car experience. If I wanted something that "just works", I'd get a Miata! Randall PS, not that there's anything wrong with Miatas, they just aren't TR3s :) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 11 22:43:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84D625845BF for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:43:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAA32580871 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:43:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:49164] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 53/F1-06153-AB70A345; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 04:46:51 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <006b01cfe5ce$1fad52b0$5f07f810$@ca.rr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:46:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I seem to remember several years ago Grassroots Motorsports was testing bolt ons on some car, don't remember what, but as I recall the article said it was one of the best bang for the buck bolt ons they tested, adding 3-4 hp or something like that. I haven't been able to find that article, not absolutely sure I am remembering it right. did find this on the internet: http://www.vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/track.htm Plus a lot of circular discussions on Pertronix v. Points similar to what I have seen here and on other British car lists and forums. I also saw some references to Jeff at Advanced Distributors saying Pertronix makes less power than points. I put them on my last two or three cars and I have had no problems, bit I will add I have felt no discernable difference in how the motor runs, as far as smoothness at idle or power. I don't know if my next car will get them, points work fine too, sure you have to adjust them and replace them from time to time, but similar sentiment to what Randall said, if I didn't like to tinker I wouldn't drive an old British car. Greg Lemon 68 TR250 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:39 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix >> As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with > Pertronix >> has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic fields >> of > the >> wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in power. One > particular >> empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end engine that found a >> 30 >> horsepower increase switching to points after several disappointing tests > with >> Pertronix. > > I certainly don't think he's crazy, it's quite possible IMO. It would be > interesting to know what effect, if any, that various EMI/EFI suppression > measures had; and maybe also some scope traces of what the Pertronix was > actually doing. > > But without that kind of evidence, it's just a hypothesis. Given all the > stories I've heard of defective pickups and modules, he may have just > found > one of those. > > I tossed my Pertronix back in the bin after discovering it was causing odd > starting problems. And having the car gently remind me that it's time for > a > service doesn't seem like such a Bad Thing, to me. After all, it is an > old > car, and changing points is part of the old car experience. If I wanted > something that "just works", I'd get a Miata! > > Randall > > PS, not that there's anything wrong with Miatas, they just aren't TR3s :) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 01:28:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FBB25845E8 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:28:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39717258078C for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.242]) by resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 27XF1p0025E3ZMc017XFPN; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:31:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-po-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 27XD1p00L3eKESF017XE6C; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 07:31:15 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:31:12 -0600 References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> To: terryrs@comcast.net s=q20140121; t=1413099075; bh=yPoKbz40GLbgBUGRQWs9ORcOdIXM+d/bWIkOgDyzuuA=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=NxJn2Er9i7AynMKX2ugoXOIqQf2aOZed37US+xyjx4NIdQQpWytLjat2+hr3F6WIk sfPRyZ0/NA1nYYSbbJU1KcK5wW8wJEeN/R7AjNZkXOJDsNfwCh7c3CCXt48tGvYt4H mEk3QzVPL3h3TCmPTPV4ZndIE0asrS/7ZxohZMK9ZS2Pw0Xfv2d+/QMvjykqlPhHQg Va+9g1vgm/X0XSx8q+8O6BnMLz9lxwdqNujDE+XP6wkSB3QdOJnA6TsvR6syU+62Rk Mz52o2OhYNBfEdNjp944iWbxHNy6xAWqe3anPgfLEbjpOJ+7Xe+ZP0e686oCCjL+J2 MKghKNY/3pgbg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I believe Jeff has also made the point that Petronixs main advantage is that it makes the dwell steady but not much else. Something you can get with regular maintenance (setting, checking, grease) of points. So is that true? Do Petronix electronic ignitions not provide any other advantages? Glad this subject came up as I just had a True Spark electronic ignition burn up. True Sparks design uses spades for connecting their wires. Apparently not a good idea as mine shorted out at one of those connectors. It burnt through the plastic cover on the connector. Most others have the wires straight to the control box without any exposed metal inside the distributor cap. Maybe thats why. In any case Im not using True Spark any more and was actually thinking about returning to points having read Jeffs theory about points yielding more power at higher RPMs. Ive been through some ignition problems and they all have involved electronic ignitions. So with points can you still use high output coils? Ill be interested to see what the literati think. Thanks Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Oct 11, 2014, at 7:21 PM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > No gradual degrading of points, no resetting or filing, and so on. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 09:12:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7525845EA for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096BB2580458 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:12:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NDC007VC7Q72VB0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:17:16 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm using a Crane unit in my TR3, so can't comment on the Pertronix in particular, but I've had an oscilloscope on mine and found no effect from anything. Since the Crane has the switching unit outside the distributor, I would expect it to be more affected than the Pertronix, which is all integrated into the distributor. On top of that, the field generated by the wires in the ignition circuit would be insignificant. Your old radios were analog and amplified and stray signals the tubes picked up. The electronic ignition system is essentially digital. The sensor is either on or off, and the output is as well. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 10/11/2014 9:21 PM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > I have been--and continue to be--a big fan of electronic ignition for my TR3A. No gradual degrading of points, no resetting or filing, and so on. > Just had my boat distributor rebuilt by Advanced Distributers in MN (NFI and all that). They did a great job on a Triumph dizzy too. > As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with Pertronix has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic fields of the wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in power. One particular empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end engine that found a 30 horsepower increase switching to points after several disappointing tests with Pertronix. > I'm not inclined to disbelieve it, necessarily. In the navy in the late 60's, I worked on WWII radios in very old sub hunt and seek prop planes. They had odd interferences like inter-electrode capacitance issues. > So...opening it up to the List. I'm way to removed from electronics these days to profess expertise. Jeff thought people would say he's crazy. > Thoughts? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire, where inter-snowflake capacitance is a very real issue come on to January.... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 10:07:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1743258465F for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:07:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtp.fuse.net [69.168.103.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322A72580458 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:06:58 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=fGwww7oP3RmXER003mwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=wcHV4c6sBqMA:10 a=fE4uMSbuPoQA:10 a=1eW7hGnswo8A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=HbiRM7u1JHidrwxL:21 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50448] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id A1/12-03390-0E7AA345; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:10:08 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:14:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have had extremely good performance from my 123 distributor with a ACCEL high performance coil on my TR4A. Not sure what they cost now but back when I bought mine they were fairly reasonable for a complete new distributor. The rotor and cap can be purchased at any FLAPS. Having said that now I will probably have some kind of problem.. Dave Connitt http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 11:29:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E603258466B for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:29:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com (mail-qc0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BFA25807AC for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id i17so4144377qcy.30 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:32:07 -0700 (PDT) h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kOPi+iAmxACe+uepsX7aoNsHlygcRlKrZNWeOfyzKrc=; b=D1K9E1iEog932vUc17/m5AERnl0CCwF341otC446I/8Us2surAg86B/YoyW0IPqejf IKt/3vHBsFyAu35s8V6gIMQO26mGeCwC9E9EfSUh3qROh8qnjm56TW2q/WblG19G7QPi YPLGUEFavpY8yCnhnwjBiBzDatTvwifajhLUlqWwO6p0kCcjPnAWlE28QVSbn7Q8VbOU 4LzpQqclQHZKk+5hBlfZ8nJqQuNOzIbE4pwFDyYpYsw/UuD+Q/CBS54Synrk3lsb0P5G 4gWMVgzMHt5gwB8e531yq35OKBgy+JWZUVNZDYZUwoGHtYPmfMZaR4iCg0qtwjx5E2br 9/fg== x21mr30221782qgx.73.1413135127030; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 192.168.1.139 (114.sub-70-198-131.myvzw.com. 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[70.198.131.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm10592659qap.32.2014.10.12.11.21.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:21:51 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 12:54:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E432580BC7 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com (mail-wg0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E812C2580697 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b13so7300385wgh.12 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:56:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=ssL1YgtIidXww0q6ibvlK8mo4cOP9Z+s+OU+4Mc50Ag=; b=Aot9EZ9fo0lgg1JETnw8LY+GYFe0SAceWrBXrZjNAIgSNSUU9TL4t+fjpCSJmsRVxI jyCaEIG0EMqnpxVj53AdTiXDzQT2BZKYz8TKomewltkCzvPnDDx+CeAaBP7jZBnqAy2G LiJK4Rx4mYM6s2Q7sB3IhbUg+S7qzE1WDuf80JHJhm1t0UCqJqcjHSJSuZyef6LnKwW2 +u8081kKcpDFcsCZW4T7IxeRBnLZsRv+MNR81gCvVMpKUnjUwLAAiahzSqXnkQ0uu7C8 ByVcrpNpc7xZXsr2Ws1d1zJf14oeY0obQIPZ9H7dqBw2KNK49fDy0DlnuOpWuHuvqIjh OWQA== b8mr2795064wjx.106.1413140216923; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT) References: <8D1B3AFDF4E5290-F24-16B99@webmail-vm142.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:56:56 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Dave Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good point. Several others suggested the same thing. So many little details to think about when waking one of these things :) On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Dave wrote: > Brad, these are all good ideas but one more thing I would do is remove the > distributor and drive the oil pump with a hand drill for a few minutes > after I see oil pressure register on the gauge. This will ensure you have > oil in all the rotating connections. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler > To: Greg Lemon > Cc: Triumphs > Sent: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 3:34 pm > Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast > > > Greg, > > This is my first real exposure to Stromberg carburetors. I owned a couple > of TR6s 35+ years ago but never had to work on the carbs so this should be > an eye opening experience :) > > I'm planning a full rebuild of the Strombergs so even if it runs crappy I > should at least have an idea of what I've got on my hands. I have no plans > to try and drive the car until next spring. I need to go through the > brakes and clutch hydraulics and I noticed yesterday that the rubber boots > on the ball joints and tie-rod ends are gone so a front suspension rebuild > will also take place this winter. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > >> >> Sounds like you are on the right track, if you are planning on >> > starting it > >> up the only thing I would add is you might check the diaphragms on the >> Stromberg carbs, easy to check and if they dried and cracked it will >> > run > >> like crap when you first try to start it up. >> >> Greg Lemon >> > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 12:56:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD7F25845E4 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com (mail-wg0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1194F2580712 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:56:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so7239384wgg.25 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=u2YF4sHFWCb9JvriafR5XLOErgXTEPRVjQb7DxOmsBc=; b=iHjOGzuXjYvKPvz5TUxRNvEbmUcwZVIKIJrM47YYU/xAtxhOqsw76C7gxejom4Nyc6 Q4zNqPEcZub83P75FnAfIMv3sbgGpGzdKibFTOVNbghFCj+YK+l702WCsEMuYDtn4FrJ 7zoc406lUBjksFfKpX5hTNcwFx1/j3Wmf8zjGPnxr95jGYXKTjJiFNRyor2ri2+8L/Kq Ngnhu3FI4QktH6fW6LNx3EB+xGmrs0Qq+i9DfcxpKTqy9Rf4SvMJbODei2cX/sii3TzZ 6UpOB/KdvhN5vlHG5S7rusfHdG8tjFoCV61G2fqGKb6DnLHd+MQn5fvqO/KBZ0M8C/gA InWQ== lh1mr17238142wjb.78.1413140370130; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:59:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:59:30 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm not so sure I agree. I would think there is something else at play generating the noise. First a little background. 63 TR4 with pertronix ignition, stock solid core spark plug wires, stock coil and a Rostra cruise control system. Car runs great, plenty of power and acceleration. After installing the cruise control I had continual problems trying to get the cruise to stay engaged. Worse, it would randomly turn itself on and activate the cruise mode. Not something you want to experience, especially when heading into a mountain curve! (Yes that happened to me) I tried everything to get the cruise to work with no luck. By chance I happened to be experimenting with a dash cam that had audio capabilities and the first time I downloaded the video to my desktop computer the screeching ignition noise could be heard coming out of the speakers. Fast forward to the convention in Dobson. During the car show I bought a set of TR6 noise suppression plug wires and installed them on the TR4. Went for a test drive and the cruise worked flawlessly. My take on all of this is a pertronix ignition is not affected by a noisy ignition system, the pertronix by itself does not generate enough noise to affect a solid state cruise control and a cruise control installed in a car with a noisy ignition system could be deadly. Brad On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:21 PM, wrote: > I have been--and continue to be--a big fan of electronic ignition for my > TR3A. No gradual degrading of points, no resetting or filing, and so on. > Just had my boat distributor rebuilt by Advanced Distributers in MN (NFI > and all that). They did a great job on a Triumph dizzy too. > As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with > Pertronix has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic > fields of the wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in > power. One particular empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end > engine that found a 30 horsepower increase switching to points after > several disappointing tests with Pertronix. > I'm not inclined to disbelieve it, necessarily. In the navy in the late > 60's, I worked on WWII radios in very old sub hunt and seek prop planes. > They had odd interferences like inter-electrode capacitance issues. > So...opening it up to the List. I'm way to removed from electronics these > days to profess expertise. Jeff thought people would say he's crazy. > Thoughts? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire, where inter-snowflake capacitance is a very real issue come > on to January.... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 12:58:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4220258489E for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718232580751 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id fb4so5811545wid.6 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UL8HZKFnzn8YXDC/tz1pAr22pp0jtLB6DWkjYJ6j3Yg=; b=bXPnMbR3i92vn529YqiCivqL6E/4sG5atA/KWjeTSznv7Dm8/agvFdMa1fjm0ZpUYM xP75AtEyUf1vjqn1Ly+Ve9uWVV4PhvVmNJlsmjpHQT5Ypb4BNzdfScHTOcr2R/rPU15d ZXESnV8BHj/hGBKg5hH2XpacMtsVjbthQzlXxl9QFze8eZXOLA58AyT9EdPVo4nhpvwr c5h4cSo59firF8V/kWBmPfu6CcF21s5CqmlMsx3qErMgqvzpyb4eKDR9z5jMQrIxnHor vVXhB+GSnTjPTkWgZAFeYvwqo5pCh0mc9kVgbufZbUNFOVsvlX7f9mDn60HwCQzYhyDC wLrQ== b8mr2809027wjx.106.1413140490204; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.87.38 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) References: <45D18299C0074480A38D819E7D28D36D@Ranteer.local> <002901cfe553$ad96c820$08c45860$@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:01:30 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Tim Hutchisen Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well dang. There is at least 0.012" end play. My dial indicator was sitting at about a 15 degree angle so it's likely a bit more. Pulling the pan this coming week to take a closer look. Thanks for the tip. Brad On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Tim Hutchisen wrote: > Brad, > Check the crankshaft endplay prior to running the engine. That > mileage is about right for thrust washer replacement. Oil pan can be > dropped > with the engine in the car (which would allow for a thorough cleaning). > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > www.pennridgemotors.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad > Kahler > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:10 PM > > > here's a good list > > > > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/storage/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 15:46:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F942580978 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA72C25806FB for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:45:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Mo91p00526dK1R01MoeLl; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:48:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 2Moc1p00G0E03aX01Modje; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:48:38 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 17:48:35 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413150518; bh=KFscMbuZ5yiMHUmtWPkhBHJG3K8eUCuAIvfj+woSQ0s=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=Aa+8jbHgcZwAQPq8eJz3dgx3Prgn8ijayCPVjA9AOLZb7ZExH2v7InoQFodArrIP4 ZkVwE4hX1Po36DibRS0yXJDxd9QltMxksT+UtpUN9dNwEs9pHkGJhGk4YQ5xauSIqi kewqZ9zZ9W1o9hIycDKHqKXPBw4uy8jAiN7XkIxJCC9CfPXdeOxc0BlGjZU5VwRsPl C8PzVZ5gMy0+LdsQhEQjm4T5yGtazHuZc27b08HJ/BBdZN7FWYc+NcVtHpkIISNFQt PxyCDCWhUPv/llJDqGgNiD1dVm5GeCFyLs81el8Bpyly9rw9j0zDTo1BP4IiakZXGW tUuCe3EKVGswg== Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am running pertronix in my 4A, and I have no problems. However my points were just as good. I replaced the points to track down a slight miss, and the pertronix changed nothing. No worse either. It turned out to be the dizzy cap and switching it to the push on wire style fixed it I think that a transistorized switching unit triggered by points will be the best overall alternative for these cars. The transistors carry the heavy load, and points will not burn. The ribbing block will slowly wear down but it is easy to keep up with that with occasional dwell adjustments. On a hot engine I would consider either something like "High Energy Ignition" types or Capacitive Discharge" types,. But on a plain old TR four cylinder engine points will be totally fine! -Tony On Oct 12, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:21:37 +0000 (UTC) > From: terryrs@comcast.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Pertronix > Message-ID: > <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I have been--and continue to be--a big fan of electronic ignition for my TR3A. No gradual degrading of points, no resetting or filing, and so on. > Just had my boat distributor rebuilt by Advanced Distributers in MN (NFI and all that). They did a great job on a Triumph dizzy too. > As I was talking to Jeff there, he mentioned how his experience with Pertronix has led him to believe that the RFI interference of the magnetic fields of the wires affects the Pertronix and can cause a reduction in power. One particular empiric test he ran was with a new rebuilt high end engine that found a 30 horsepower increase switching to points after several disappointing tests with Pertronix. > I'm not inclined to disbelieve it, necessarily. In the navy in the late 60's, I worked on WWII radios in very old sub hunt and seek prop planes. They had odd interferences like inter-electrode capacitance issues. > So...opening it up to the List. I'm way to removed from electronics these days to profess expertise. Jeff thought people would say he's crazy. > Thoughts? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire, where inter-snowflake capacitance is a very real issue come on to January.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 12 16:28:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E28258462B for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7FD2580712 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.143]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id DE8C07003620F; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.10]) by mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9FCF938000084; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) References: To: bkahler1@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 24.178.245.124 by webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com (205.188.178.106) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:31:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 18:31:29 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1413153089; bh=0Rjz2pvJWsxIaYKxIU3SHEMbBMRpYRMInGslT+PquZE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=flqgS4VmRNgQYUEBxtO2iIJo0hP9P0LHXbF49O/kvwUuct9juEMIS/qyJ7tB/gHwX og7enwC2DBmdnAoVcJKYDLsrLEVW4ECkOSA76LQKDk5LKDMWICNQG1jPAtJB/Lb9Ja 3Hw8ag6Ui3UDmj+tq1DE8EQPG2ELyv20Ei3LHpjM= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1ade8f543b01417bb3 Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm glad we are having this thread. I bought an SD1 engine that hasn't been run in years and when I get around to putting it in the TR8 I will do most of these things to it.. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Dave ; Triumphs Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 12:32 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Hi Dave, Good point. Several others suggested the same thing. So many little details to think about when waking one of these things :) -------- Original Message -------- From: Dave Sent: Sat, 11/10/2014 05:17 PM To: bkahler1@gmail.com; glemon@neb.rr.com CC: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Brad, these are all good ideas but one more thing I would do is remove the distributor and drive the oil pump with a hand drill for a few minutes after I see oil pressure register on the gauge. This will ensure you have oil in all the rotating connections. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler To: Greg Lemon Cc: Triumphs Sent: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 3:34 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Waking the slumbering beast Greg, This is my first real exposure to Stromberg carburetors. I owned a couple of TR6s 35+ years ago but never had to work on the carbs so this should be an eye opening experience :) I'm planning a full rebuild of the Strombergs so even if it runs crappy I should at least have an idea of what I've got on my hands. I have no plans to try and drive the car until next spring. I need to go through the brakes and clutch hydraulics and I noticed yesterday that the rubber boots on the ball joints and tie-rod ends are gone so a front suspension rebuild will also take place this winter. Thanks! Brad On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > > Sounds like you are on the right track, if you are planning on starting it > up the only thing I would add is you might check the diaphragms on the > Stromberg carbs, easy to check and if they dried and cracked it will run > like crap when you first try to start it up. > > Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 13 14:58:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A8A25849F9 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:58:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453AA25849A6 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D526D2C01EE for ; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:00:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:00:54 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Noisy ignition systems can be an issue. I often take my old ( maybe 30 years? ) Craftsman timing light down to Bailey's shop. It works just fine on some of the old cars, whereas his fancy new digital light goes berzerk on some LBCs. Sometimes you need technology of the same age as the car to get decent results: http://bradakis.com/fcg/diag.html Speaking of electronics I've been meaning to pick up some more flash drives for backing up stuff on the Team.Net server. Saw one that had a capacity of 128 Gigs. Wow. I remember when disk drives of a few hundred megs were about the size of a washing machine. But I don't think I'll be buying a $150 flash drive. With no job, therefore no income, I can't really afford even the $20 ones. Maybe I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 00:35:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498C32584921 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05767258081C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:58559] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 3F/C9-31796-3D4CC345; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:38:12 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <543C3D86.1050500@bradakis.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 23:38:09 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFz+pa3YYZoSB6FbnMuGqxnvPVUPAL5nAHWA5ok+MEBZrO0aAIeH8jDnJY3dkA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Maybe I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! C'mon guys, chip in and help. Even the price of a brewski would help. 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Sent from mobile Bill > On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Randall wrote: > > Maybe I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! C'mon guys, chip in and help. Even the price of a brewski would help. That link again: Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 06:20:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DF22584BF6 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2684C25845FC for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:20:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 30PM1p00M3alfWF010PNyu; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 05:23:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:23:17 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] spit/Gt differentials Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm a bit displeased with the 2 rear end ratios available for these units. I've seen a number of interesting conversions on other marques, like Miata IRS under a Sprite. Anyone know of "similar" conversions for the Spitfire or GT6 that they have pictures or contact info for? Dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 07:00:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE022584C73 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 07:00:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C062584BFC for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w7so8174198lbi.37 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:00:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ydA0Fi2Sy9zbbDV34+rMqkEKS7Jmdn6Eu5l0vfrrK+4=; b=bmWEBJVkUEZ1NHDrp5HdLJfDXPzNZCIPlQU2h7oqSuh9Y9iGFdWpY42CurmniAKf6N k05DGk3LfILgFr/KYttzMfRTSciI1K8Ow0Cd3DZghk0WMqO2xrbcmuhnHNB5GV5MJVe4 1rcFAaCiULxewhQVxiIM8qKLxBQrNVs7M7/cFhyeMRjhgScl3lrQbYsWmx4SznuRBS7B tKhO32uLaqOes6dA+bnZ/eEoHq4Z2HjWNzjQ4GkmHk3+ug1CJvSr2ZOg92nqVM278LIy gUoPogekgDT1Kq0wpOcGjBYS82553bEGyBrn0AEH1tsTI5+G/sH1HhJz8FWMikkYD/n7 OBfA== ll4mr5324113lac.64.1413291638256; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.113.7.133 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:00:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <543C3D86.1050500@bradakis.com> <004101cfe779$6c71a540$4554efc0$@ca.rr.com> <2D71DFAB-9ECD-4573-B908-956D20283F92@flash.net> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:00:38 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I sent mine a few weeks ago. And I wouldnt' depend on a flash drive for backup. Better to buy raw hard drives and something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182221 Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I'm in, how about all y'all? > > > Sent from mobile Bill > >> On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Randall wrote: >> > >> Maybe I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! > > C'mon guys, chip in and help. Even the price of a brewski would help. > > That link again: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 09:30:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AB52584EA0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:30:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AC822584E08 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:23:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 18844 invoked by uid 0); 14 Oct 2014 15:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2014 15:26:40 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by CMOut01 with id 33S11p00a1NzpT9013S4S7; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:26:06 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=AA8plkvlGAMHDdspf20A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=51683 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xe3z8-0006xG-AR; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:26:02 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:25:56 -0500 To: "Randall" ,"'Triumphs'" From: Tony Drews References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <543C3D86.1050500@bradakis.com> <004101cfe779$6c71a540$4554efc0$@ca.rr.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in. Tony At 01:38 AM 10/14/2014, Randall wrote: > > Maybe I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! > >C'mon guys, chip in and help. Even the price of a brewski would help. > >That link again: >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Randall > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 10:00:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14C32584EA4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E620258099D for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id m20so6887093qcx.5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:57:06 -0700 (PDT) h=from:content-type:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=4d2FsACg6KuEOMrxJc/QRO+LdKbITuZ6YLtk8Hz9gUM=; b=jKRQHbPET6YKsqMadAdQCcEM3M3b9HRvuRrMCLgZ64qm/Qs/cAmduLJGFYTTHbBqfi UMrMzBz2GLsaYASUOOO/rl/xK9Oj9u/r8Ot3WaKL3HNWUIoPTfmYoafW19buc3yzm/JM HzPoZPD8paWMAzq6Y1JAdForpVnx3FQDzxIIjCMglcndnZOXg099TibB4HxsEL3ujToR FI9jglq9ZtK06eJfFuxaEnBtkBptGJwKh3J3DSP94tTsnkFCE1ShzznKXUFPRX+o0CL/ D/Hdv88fky53rwO87socql9Sj5KCtLqIKNGfYhczRnwdTfC8TnHDNBjX55TxzkAXdR+8 eGYA== b2mr10863775qat.10.1413302225880; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.191.40.142] (133.sub-70-208-144.myvzw.com. [70.208.144.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x1sm15768817qax.17.2014.10.14.08.57.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.C. Hassall" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:57:04 -0400 References: <1780743949.1251964.1413076897000.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <543C3D86.1050500@bradakis.com> To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net BTDT. Tnx for all you do for the Lists Mark Jim Fat-thumbed from my iPhone > On Oct 13, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > Noisy ignition systems can be an issue. I often take my old ( maybe 30 years? ) Craftsman timing light > down to Bailey's shop. It works just fine on some of the old cars, whereas his fancy new digital light > goes berzerk on some LBCs. Sometimes you need technology of the same age as the car to get decent > results: http://bradakis.com/fcg/diag.html > > Speaking of electronics I've been meaning to pick up some more flash drives for backing up stuff on > the Team.Net server. Saw one that had a capacity of 128 Gigs. Wow. I remember when disk drives of > a few hundred megs were about the size of a washing machine. But I don't think I'll be buying a > $150 flash drive. With no job, therefore no income, I can't really afford even the $20 ones. Maybe > I should have a mini fund drive? Donate early, donate often! > > mjb. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jhassall@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 10:14:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3417E2584C0E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:14:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5297258051C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141014161038.ICFT8128.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:10:38 -0400 Received: from Bedroom ([68.228.216.208]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id 34AS1p00Y4WMef0014ATAV; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:10:27 -0400 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=XFmrohW2AAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ixUkeaBTAAAA:8 a=Xy-krA0K7G84Me0qHv8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=Nl2cq7KA0bMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Q3m17qi5x9IA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=1IY7wJxD-RAA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=O7vqa0QQfkz9IZ5I:21 a=4EycWg6L2-ZOnNxc:21 a=PJyjlI7pmsVcK2Dcrhg44w==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Joe Curry" To: "'David Porter'" , "'Triumphs'" References: <30Pe1p00N0NyJgq010Pf0Z> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:11:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/nqbDggjgn0Eq2RQGHMzOo1SfePwAH1oaw Subject: Re: [TR] spit/Gt differentials Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a Corvette Dana 36 in Tiny Tim with Koni Coil-overs and dual Control arms. http://spitlist.info/VetteDiff.htm There is a wide variety of ratios you can choose from. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Porter Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:23 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] spit/Gt differentials I'm a bit displeased with the 2 rear end ratios available for these units. I've seen a number of interesting conversions on other marques, like Miata IRS under a Sprite. Anyone know of "similar" conversions for the Spitfire or GT6 that they have pictures or contact info for? Dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 10:45:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6200E2584C49 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEA52584BF5 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:41:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170136pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NDG00AZ616WWNA0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 63.239.65.11 ([63.239.65.11]) by vznit170136 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:44:56 -0500 (CDT) From: ptegler@verizon.net To: frogeye@porterscustom.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] spit/Gt differentials Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 11:59:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A832584DAE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:59:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE57B2584BC4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:53:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207552C013C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:56:36 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Wow! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wasn't really expecting this from my comments about flash drives. Thanks, folks. Looks like I'll be going shopping soon. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 12:15:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7CC2584F63 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:15:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F75D2584B3E for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:14:07 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1413310639; bh=htsywJwOMjraGFdjdyBIHn1uxFZ3PiZdRBCu5muahEk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Z8CBcuVo2+t+VV9tGCe4rvM6pJVgYLLMsIAMtLPaLAWXlpFpshVpLccX8yE8taI0oBO25uhVDtUcKOuZc+IYKOshkaLvE6ZKyjnxC7AVP5IO2YuH9Hkp6dSVisJE+eqrOmdziJL4i+cDA0WXR+ofel9OL4+yF5vkPjpmSEX2wtQxlFORpyvd/jDZbVcFAO79a2v1KeqxpobvTMrlRFV/fAWLaXccqftyQYXvLOKTPoo2SED/fvm3t6QQT4kBbEexSL/ij9e2qqiNwlosMmZCAa8tNyAx8mEb9Zp9BXqerEjDTtDV9AO002Ewwsak5nOEHvb6fC72uB+8DPuCW70ooQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=fDQ0i5KcyrZhUvubJOkJe/gzOELA6A/dTpP06HdVsvgVFyJ2O6ujEmsfgOBQTw2Tw6Qb8uOY+UJf8MorvjRB9k9+F9lYoGMLQYTlxYFyxmCjVNlQ6qPQlRBCHYpX/g4GK7mRlqSZuId0kVwYoYnolmnod33IrE5Y4BGGqtnVYrP4N8MrcXu+/JXObLwUvcRkjnXPZQEGQD1msV1yqrNusD873uamGdYJFM7RjtiPfeX7/fA9ZJEFYJhXh/qRM8MeLu/WduoK9MISCA7FldXUKZr22gDk8f+A6dOHApZsnCijWu3zxXzVCNsOpUzHo6CWAjkY6J5iWOTbDKScxet5Kg==; Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2014 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.248] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2014 18:17:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2014 18:17:19 -0000 1rWeiUjFHiCDAvFwzP6cALeVHkBOxljT6EnKH9OSlueDJagDO77VqB0Sf65G1TJnZWgUdqwE2Fw0 uc1NU1R1MvchDkXIUOMQ5OpMOetxFNQSvz4gl5R5gw3Lwbh3.YlSoQbic3wpovmElodolTNzyTGj ZPYPhFJMM5lZh2pbZpJ9I9cmWA2f0R9rC_quzFFwfnjdBdW.L4IC_13122HvRKDCS2NYoFbbkCZQ rIpm25LqFrTSqsXXsGvzvQm18ViMRai0gG5w805.vRv7esgRBdj2wKUp.Iolhsfd_yu8j9uCbosL A.3ow2Jb9zGwXiKocK.TeoeQ68J_ziEPO8ykjjRNgW3y7nAl_2TT2r6K_PMUOZot6qydKtsL03JH 0eYcNI9.iFXs8hgLexPfxiBMTQ1asbOly27uuwXN4V1L6dx5uiTCNeT6c7jK981xxP53.hr4An91 59WO1kXaAXbYbj8OUXDA11LcjVW4QQw93OUVJHkAYNLWYDNLGQI9WypWWOg82 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:17:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , Triumphs References: <543D63D4.3020405@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Wow! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Marksend a paypal invoice for 20.00 to fgfo1@aol.com cut and paste that adress..the "o" is a letter and not a "0" zero frank On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:03 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: I wasn't really expecting this from my comments about flash drives.B Thanks, folks. Looks like I'll be going shopping soon. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 13:37:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A900C2584DAE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3A225802EE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170158pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NDG00L5I9AUAF60@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 205.143.204.206 ([205.143.204.206]) by vznit170190 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:40:06 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: mark@bradakis.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Wow! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, you got me too. Hope its cheap beer. Craig 72 Triumph TR6 On 10/14/14, Mark J Bradakis wrote: I wasn't really expecting this from my comments about flash drives. Thanks, folks. Looks like I'll be going shopping soon. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 14:00:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5D92584DC4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:00:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BD125802EE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDG005LXA51PC90@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:58:16 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-14_08:2014-10-14,2014-10-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410140189 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:58:13 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, everyone, who responded to my question about using a Lucas TR4A horn relay on halogen headlights. I've decided to go with a modern relay, and will figure out later whether to hide it under the dash or under the headlight bucket. It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able to use halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're not reproduction after all. Now I know why the PO had the ugly (IMHO) wire headlight protectors! Thanks again! b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 14:03:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B6A25807B0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965A025802EE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.232.77.243] ([unknown] [174.253.225.107]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NDG000EBAHKG550@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:05:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Ball Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:05:43 -0700 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Thanks Mark Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Count me in too. Already done. I'm mostly silent but read every word of the digests, and have learned a ton from everybody on the list. Thanks to everyone. Steve Ball Lompoc CA 60 TR3A TS68164L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 14:47:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22FAC2584DBA for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4B425807B0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:59766] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 0A/BC-17196-78C8D345; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 20:50:16 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" , References: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:50:12 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFh7TFxTIDgLUcuqeLFsZgoUVjxQp0MBgWg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able to use > halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're not > reproduction after all. I forget who offhand, but someone sells halogen bulbs to fit original PL700 lamps. Might have been Halford's in the UK. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 14:51:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422652584DC2 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qg0-f45.google.com (mail-qg0-f45.google.com [209.85.192.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BA225807B0 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:51:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id q107so8945624qgd.4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=je95DclscotgS0W9Gc9sfzMyjZFcqWoAKB+ceKeOq2E=; b=foDRbXmSikxbjXuI7XZeAyU1yXEEH/CIE3CjXZ8y3wz0QnnkOa7ouvXJTRFfm9Kk1F WuKbGjHhguHv1DVq+hBRg85nNOaBflDA5dGT/ovEdc9/QE8CXiVsehoFZKdL9bOIFxT6 2GBZkalDgwD9g5kxfEf0+ITtGmv9C6LufVefsglhjovVPQnS6PnioXHmEslwF4EVZNZY EMfdcilNLWCKgl5u58uZHJX3ZIGd0Pu6XaqV1gzOuDAXROaHYDkV3DUmMsrQJfzV+CDn Ir1H3tF5ysvaJKHK71r563y4lPAZdPpvDJelPdS1tyeYh+3Q/GaQHGkIiVcq5CChx9dD iIzw== u7mr12824820qaj.41.1413320063873; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.92.231 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:54:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> <006101cfe7f0$744cc7f0$5ce657d0$@ca.rr.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:54:23 -0700 From: Don Hiscock To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I think Daniel Stern has halogen bulbs with BPF base, too. Haven't gotten any yet but they're on my list. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014, Randall wrote: > > It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able > to use > > halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're > not > > reproduction after all. > > I forget who offhand, but someone sells halogen bulbs to fit original PL700 > lamps. Might have been Halford's in the UK. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 15:15:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FF62584DCD for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF91725802EE for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.70.183]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 39JK1p0033xFX4e019JSQh; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:18:27 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:18:22 -0400 Content-Language: en-us thread-index: Ac/n9BJ+KYQG63SMSIuiFNWWvHnUeg== Subject: [TR] Aluminum radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thinking about an aluminum radiator for a TR3 project and see several from China on eBay. Questions - does anyone out there have experience with any of these? And for a standard engine is there any advantage of the three-row radiators versus two-row? Andrew Uprichard Nothing but TR3s right now. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 16:15:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FCB2584E85 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:15:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A48258084B for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:13:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo210 ([68.230.241.161]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141014221655.HHRG8823.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo210> for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:16:55 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo210 with cox id 3AGu1p0092j24ku01AGuJy; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:16:54 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=Olca7eR92QqpIbzkoUkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <39Jo1p00M0NyJgq019Jpr2> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:16:58 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFrjzTBJoJbkOPmDKjrB3FUYO3y45z42mcA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A guy in our club is using one from one of the ebay vendors to great effect in his AH sprite - very inexpensive and the quality looked pretty good. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:18 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Aluminum radiator Thinking about an aluminum radiator for a TR3 project and see several from China on eBay. Questions - does anyone out there have experience with any of these? And for a standard engine is there any advantage of the three-row radiators versus two-row? Andrew Uprichard Nothing but TR3s right now. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 16:16:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072802584E58 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:16:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164B7258084B for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:16:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDG00K7XGPCTN00@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:20:02 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-14_08:2014-10-14,2014-10-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410140217 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:20:00 -0700 References: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> <006101cfe7f0$744cc7f0$5ce657d0$@ca.rr.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm guessing this is the bulb you mean: http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=1&pgCode=012&sgName=Electrical& pgName=Bulbs+%26+Warning+Lamps&agCode=0080&agName=Bulbs+BPF&pCode=LLB463#pret tyPhoto The bulb I pulled out of my PL700 yesterday said "NARVA 12V R2 45/40W." Shouldn't I be concerned the bulb above is rated 15 watts higher? > On 14 Oct 2014, at 2:58 PM, Dixie4 wrote: > > Randall, > > I think you may mean Holden Classic and Vintage (email sales@holden.co.uk) Web site www.holden.co.uk > They sell the PL700 halogen bulbs at 7.78 GBP each plus vat at 20% . > I doubt Halfords would sell this type of bulb. > > Adrian > Wales UK. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" > To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update > > >>> It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able >> to use >>> halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're >> not >>> reproduction after all. >> >> I forget who offhand, but someone sells halogen bulbs to fit original PL700 >> lamps. Might have been Halford's in the UK. >> >> Randall >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8388 - Release Date: 10/14/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 18:00:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9BA25844B4 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9332525808D7 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:54:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C502C013C for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:57:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:57:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs References: <543D63D4.3020405@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Wow! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Okay, I purchased a pair of 16 Gig flash drives for short term backup, and a 1 Terabyte external drive. The big drive will get a full copy of Team.Net and will go up to Karen's office at the U, coming back for regular updates. It occurred to me that ALL backup devices are here in my office. Not a good thing. And I paid this month's network bill. Thanks again, everyone, will work on getting individual thank yous out later tonight and tomorrow. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 22:16:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C621A2584F15 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF1C2584E25 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-1-imp with bizsmtp id 3GDW1p01R1FNdY601GDWaY; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:13:31 +0100 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=v3ZZPjhaAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6LE6F_xuAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=7tbKaSOM7o0mLpNcPo0A:9 a=zZN9Ie-L4md31eh9:21 a=tmpswQ46J-IrReD3:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=Qr0PMoKiTygA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=NTS7t23mjtoA:10 a=Kna09Q1u_EMA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=aY_xDNqz9cwA:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Jeffrey Gayton" , References: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> <006101cfe7f0$744cc7f0$5ce657d0$@ca.rr.com> <83BF7FDE-83D6-4E06-8B53-F161CF4FE4AC@icloud.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:14:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The legal standard in UK is 65/50W I would not have thought an extra relay was required. However, this is a personal opinion and experience. I have successfully used 100watt H4 bulbs for off road use in standard 7" round headlamps as a replacement for 65watt bulbs with standard wiring without mishap. I must state that is was on 70's Ford Escort which may possibly have had heavier wiring than a TR3 as standard. The only time I had to fit relays was when fitting four huge Cibi Super Oscar spot lamps. Oh those were the days...........120mph down forest tracks 1 1/2 times the width of the car, at night, after a hard days work. Must have been mad!!! Adrian, Wales UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Gayton" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update > I'm guessing this is the bulb you mean: > > http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp?sg=1&pgCode=012&sgName=Electrical& > pgName=Bulbs+%26+Warning+Lamps&agCode=0080&agName=Bulbs+BPF&pCode=LLB463#pret > tyPhoto > > The bulb I pulled out of my PL700 yesterday said "NARVA 12V R2 45/40W." > Shouldn't I be concerned the bulb above is rated 15 watts higher? > > >> On 14 Oct 2014, at 2:58 PM, Dixie4 wrote: >> >> Randall, >> >> I think you may mean Holden Classic and Vintage (email >> sales@holden.co.uk) > Web site www.holden.co.uk >> They sell the PL700 halogen bulbs at 7.78 GBP each plus vat at 20% . >> I doubt Halfords would sell this type of bulb. >> >> Adrian >> Wales UK. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >> To: "'Jeffrey Gayton'" ; >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update >> >> >>>> It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be >>>> able >>> to use >>>> halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that >>>> they're >>> not >>>> reproduction after all. >>> >>> I forget who offhand, but someone sells halogen bulbs to fit original > PL700 >>> lamps. Might have been Halford's in the UK. >>> >>> Randall >>> >>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8388 - Release Date: >>> 10/14/14 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8388 - Release Date: 10/14/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 14 22:31:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A352584F0D for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6E02580851 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-1-imp with bizsmtp id 3GXe1p00e1FNdY601GXe59; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:31:38 +0100 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=p1Os0ws8MgL-JJ-_yuMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Xy_FUz828SIA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <006d01cfe7f4$674e1280$35ea3780$@uprichard.net> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:32:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Aluminum radiator Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Andrew, Extra cooling is an advantage. Three row will have extra capacity in reserve if and when needed. Under normal use you will never know the difference as the thermostat controls the running temperature. Aluminium/Aluminum radiators are more efficient and durable. Go for it, three row that is, not forgetting a higher mix of antifreeze/anticorrosion additive. Possibly 50/50. Aluminium/Aluminum does not like plain water although radiators are of an alloy so do not suffer from this problem as much as alloy engines. Belts and braces spring to mind. Adrian, 1966 TR4A CT64306 O Wales, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:18 PM Subject: [TR] Aluminum radiator > Thinking about an aluminum radiator for a TR3 project and see several from > China on eBay. Questions - does anyone out there have experience with any > of these? And for a standard engine is there any advantage of the > three-row > radiators versus two-row? > > Andrew Uprichard > > Nothing but TR3s right now. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8388 - Release Date: 10/14/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 00:16:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30E82584557 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:16:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2692580BB0 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:14:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:59996] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 0D/DD-24845-3711E345; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:17:24 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> <006101cfe7f0$744cc7f0$5ce657d0$@ca.rr.com> <83BF7FDE-83D6-4E06-8B53-F161CF4FE4AC@icloud.com> <0C44E88440234A54A13FB5E87D8131A2@AdrianPC> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 23:17:19 -0700 Thread-Index: AQFh7TFxTIDgLUcuqeLFsZgoUVjxQgH3Rb5AAN5wo5gBbObFlAN8zaD0nM6Wo0A= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks for the correction, Adrian. I knew I'd seen them somewhere. The extra power may present some concern if you do a lot of driving in heavy stop-and-go traffic at night, or make only short trips at night and still have the stock Lucas generator. Especially when combined with other loads (brake lights, wipers, heater), the generator won't keep up at low engine rpm and you may end your drive with a battery that is somewhat low. But it shouldn't be a problem as long as your next drive includes enough faster driving to recharge the battery. When I had problems, I was working 2nd shift and so drove in the dark both ways (in winter) plus out to dinner and back, 5 days a week. But the wiring and so on is heavy enough, no worries about burning it up. That was with 55 watt halogens on the stock TR3A wiring (never did get around to adding relays to that car, although the 60 amp alternator was a marvelous improvement). The main reason for adding relays IMO would be to get the maximum voltage to the bulbs, for the maximum light output. I assume that more light is your reason for wanting halogen bulbs (I heartily approve BTW), so might as well make the most of them. The stock wiring, switch contacts, etc. will lose 0.5 volts or more (I measured 0.7 on my TR3) while with some care you should be able to get down to 0.1 with relays and direct wiring. Not a huge difference, but enough to see in a side-by-side comparison. I also rather like the idea of reducing the load on the original switches. After some thought (and bad experiences), I wound up with 4 relays, one for each filament, mounted to the top of the headlight buckets. On a TR3 that makes them totally invisible but still fairly accessible (by removing the bucket from the apron). It also lets me run a separate self-resetting circuit breaker for each side so that I still have light if one breaker (or one relay) fails for some reason. Modern plastic relays are cheap and I'd gladly pay $20 to avoid having all the headlights go out at once again. More than a few years ago, I was driving down a mountain at midnight and rather more than the posted speed limit when a fuse failed and killed both headlights. Only took a moment to find the dimmer switch, but still not an experience I look forward to repeating! In case you are wondering, I eventually traced the fuse failure to nearly invisible corrosion on the fuse holder contacts. Under prolonged operation at fairly high current (one fuse for both 90 watt bulbs) the holder would eventually get hot enough to melt the solder inside the fuse cap. The fuse element was still visibly fine, but you could see where the solder had run away from the connection. Of course I didn't figure that out until after it had happened again, fortunately under more benign circumstances. Took a Scotch-Brite (mild abrasive) pad to the contacts and never had the problem again. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 04:39:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8C625850B6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:39:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A0C2584D08 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.110]) by resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3NiW1p0022PT3Qt01NiZzC; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:42:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-ch2-14v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3NiW1p00Q0E03aX01NiYgc; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:42:32 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:42:31 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413369753; bh=DvKBxTHrZA4L8ldNiPBA00MRsFvNmxbd37sFrYhKvAo=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=CMmL5lxrcfU2+vP8MX5kqW3ffrCHJvVha4p4GFF1Q6BO/+3tuqTgsNni/ARGHnArn Q7X87iCm8Ou6kA7AUSi3HsdQ0wGDHAIpPT0wmXug5YyK0qGYM3GAXNoRZ3HlsiEyeU 8HqkLXvQvtuoJpbUL5dq2V+6uv4g8VJfjeP8Lwb0BJR/xr0L4CaEj6hgNxdBMrQCDM XdlN4wv9W+1+oCYaoWclFTg1j+M5g2XXFrBX5ugWx1jwgxHZO66AxtaL8Xj2NRDsp/ HNqcEZPsjVRIOBFkuyqecI6iWo714zfCDeiOBTXMDRC3lnH8GAYSoXeKEzNuF2bsGK FP0t+V7tG80qA== Cc: "jtgayton@icloud.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Your lights will be MUCH better than original PL700 lights. They used something like 40 watt bulbs! As I said before I used 2 modern relays. One for low beam and one for high beam. I mounted them mounted them under a headlight bucket, mostly out of view. I ran 10awg wire from the A terminal of the voltage regulator using a 1/4 quick connect to the relays. Then the origonal low beam wire went to one relay and the high beam wire to the other relay. I used new female bullet connectors for the job, so there is no cutting of the original harness Then the new low or high beam hot lead comes off the "normally open" terminal of the relay and goes to the original bullet connector junction connector. -Tony On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:14 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > essage: 3 > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:58:13 -0700 > From: Jeffrey Gayton > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Headlight Update > Message-ID: <34784E1F-114A-49BD-B834-C647D7CB66AF@icloud.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Thanks, everyone, who responded to my question about using a Lucas TR4A horn > relay on halogen headlights. I've decided to go with a modern relay, and will > figure out later whether to hide it under the dash or under the headlight > bucket. > > It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able to > use halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're > not reproduction after all. Now I know why the PO had the ugly (IMHO) wire > headlight protectors! > > Thanks again! > > b Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 04:51:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C9025850E4 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9560F2584510 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-06v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3NuZ1p0032JGN3p01NuZyJ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:54:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3NuV1p00V0E03aX01NuY0z; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:54:33 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:54:31 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413370473; bh=GuBOVzXo9oq4hWHibnIaFIq4Mo/xw2+sB3lVe7QTxS4=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=cQ6Jw+cevl0HcmE7IJIe72O/ExdwTRT+qzGcDbGCGhEgHu0VnA/GqEQd+ZzUSuhxh jITOzSkyA7EEpS54QDfeNNDxelUeXb8M1zFuHipRc41KAM8Ti0BIwi3JNviA0L9G+/ HCsexbQBppnBNmBRmWn2q4Mr6tLBdLJEopGDB0X8oBq62BNbpP1AFUqkGBFLtJqzV9 qgPPhJ1GHowp2R9sftP4ee8Fr/be0lRapfb9h+yFmkI3troCgJ6VLKUnh0n5/sU6XC L3YDHXn8eAiFKYMVPmbz6WfH37GjRz1vV7BEllpJGoZwqKXOdJwew2/LniE7gVxzkE DKkvHM1Z7dJhQ== Cc: "jtgayton@icloud.com> >" Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The TR2-4a had wiring that is not really up to the job. The original headlight wattages were rather low. And the wires were just adequate, They are "28 strand" which might be OK for about 14 amps total. (actually, I think they are 14 strand??? Barely ok for a pair of 40 watt bulbs?) if theycare 28 strand the in principle that is OK for two 55/60 halogen lights But the switches are not really up to the job. And there are a lot of connectors and wire length, each adding a bit of voltage drop to the bulbs. Halogens in particular HATE voltage drop. A little drop causes significant losses in brightness. Modern halogens are best run with relays and a good heavy power supply wire. -Tony On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:14 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:14:34 +0100 > From: "Dixie4" > To: "Jeffrey Gayton" , > Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update > Message-ID: <0C44E88440234A54A13FB5E87D8131A2@AdrianPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The legal standard in UK is 65/50W I would not have thought an extra relay > was required. However, this is a personal opinion and experience. > I have successfully used 100watt H4 bulbs for off road use in standard 7" > round headlamps as a replacement for 65watt bulbs with standard wiring > without mishap. I must state that is was on 70's Ford Escort which may > possibly have had heavier wiring than a TR3 as standard. The only time I had > to fit relays was when fitting four huge Cibi Super Oscar spot lamps. > Oh those were the days...........120mph down forest tracks 1 1/2 times the > width of the car, at night, after a hard days work. Must have been mad!!! > > Adrian, > Wales UK ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 05:04:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18B125850FD for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:04:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DB02584510 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-16v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.240]) by resqmta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3P711p0045BUCh401P71d5; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:07:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-po-16v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3P6y1p00M0E03aX01P70qz; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:07:01 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:07:00 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413371221; bh=FTTUoaCCT8qYZBsfUxqCeUQUEQNpNGyQubI8vbXBc08=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=swUi7OrXPM0sE7jwM2N44udbpdD25FlFuSafg8Sdh60B/WzwWA2jgDgoW9UkvGfsO n5ZNakXNh1rOmC+60zQmzEavpVev96n7NOQmiro6oZ7ufHvW2JJoFErvaMkfZYeGKV /MZvkCeSOTazrKwtCuKAVjOqJkkOCOFw/5vvL2rmhLws1NybtY9clD+3M64dU9n2Mb m3xB4FPI5uZMhi4mbLYgFoY7JdUpLSKBhr2zN4YCW1UnIFj40GC79yzgT0XBfFNqTt 8+TI3WxHnLmDNd44w2eiMabhbmcoGyHdKZUe08u4yUdOUNNAcV0DCaGOUaxH11Ir4K XPHRhqZ7mEboQ== Cc: "TR3driver@ca.rr.com" Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I installed my 55/60 halogens, I added up the energy budget, and the 20 or 22 amp generator would be just sufficient at night with heater blower and wipers. But as you say, stop and go tends to drain the battery The original regulator would provide approximately charge-neutral voltage at near max load. There is surprisingly little ability to recharge the battery at night, even if technically there is an extra 5 amps headroom. A modern electronic regulator that hold the output voltage right up to the current limit of the dynamo WILL allow driving in stop and go traffic at night. Classic Dynamo and Regulator Conversions in UK is introducing a new line of electronic regulators at the big NEC show in November about a month from now. Also LED brake lights will help improve the energy budget when stopped. -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:14 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 23:17:19 -0700 > From: "Randall" > To: > Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update > Message-ID: <007701cfe83f$ae5ae590$0b10b0b0$@ca.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks for the correction, Adrian. I knew I'd seen them somewhere. > > The extra power may present some concern if you do a lot of driving in heavy > stop-and-go traffic at night, or make only short trips at night and still > have the stock Lucas generator. Especially when combined with other loads > (brake lights, wipers, heater), the generator won't keep up at low engine > rpm and you may end your drive with a battery that is somewhat low. But it > shouldn't be a problem as long as your next drive includes enough faster > driving to recharge the battery. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 08:10:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3506B258520C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:10:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175C82585137 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:61895] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 72/AB-19465-8D08E345; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:12:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:12:37 -0700 Thread-Index: AQE3kPKE38TaGUydKRL6SI8V1IIqGQNhA2Y3nUbTojA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > A modern electronic regulator that hold the output voltage right up to the > current limit of the dynamo WILL allow driving in stop and go traffic at night. Are they actually driving the field voltage above battery voltage? Even with the regulator full on, my original 19 amp generator won't keep up at less than 1800-2000 engine rpm. > Classic Dynamo and Regulator Conversions in UK is introducing a new line of > electronic regulators at the big NEC show in November about a month from > now. Weren't you working on your own, some time back? > Also LED brake lights will help improve the energy budget when stopped. They'll definitely help, but perhaps not all that much. The original single brake light on my TR3 was rated 21 watts; my plan is to have 27 watts of LEDs (arranged in 3 lamps drawing .75 amps each). Might be overkill, but I want to make certain they are visible even in full sunlight. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 08:18:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D40258521A for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:18:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CAD2585110 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:17:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [174.16.1.11] (108-68-51-234.uvs.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.68.51.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s9FEKqNd032753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:20:52 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be able to > use halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that they're > not reproduction after all. Now I know why the PO had the ugly (IMHO) wire > headlight protectors! There are, or used to be, halogen bulbs that fit the PL700. I ran that way for a while ... it's not actually worth it. The problem is not (just) the bulb, but also the reflector and lens design. Get a decent set of modern lights, like Cibie E codes, and you'll be amazed at how much better you can see even with the stock wiring (but add the relays to avoid destroying the switch). ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 08:21:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8C3258526B for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:21:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA7A258517C for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:20:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [174.16.1.11] (108-68-51-234.uvs.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.68.51.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s9FEO1dk026298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:24:01 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <543E82C4.4090700@dimebank.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/15/2014 07:20 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> It looks like I'll need to buy new headlights too. I thought I'd be >> able to >> use halogen bulbs for my Lucas PL700 repros, but it now appears that >> they're >> not reproduction after all. Now I know why the PO had the ugly (IMHO) >> wire >> headlight protectors! > There are, or used to be, halogen bulbs that fit the PL700. I ran that > way for a while ... it's not actually worth it. The problem is not > (just) the bulb, but also the reflector and lens design. > > Get a decent set of modern lights, like Cibie E codes, and you'll be > amazed at how much better you can see even with the stock wiring (but > add the relays to avoid destroying the switch). I haven't looked at it in detail for a while, but I *think* the core information at http://www.dimebank.com/tech/Light-up.html is still sound :-) chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 08:23:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDE72585219 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:23:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1B925851CC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:61901] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id D6/DB-16766-A048E345; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:26:19 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:26:15 -0700 Thread-Index: AQE3kPKE38TaGUydKRL6SI8V1IIqGQEcpW9ZnVj9WyA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The TR2-4a had wiring that is not really up to the job. Well, not to belabor the point, but I ran with 60 watt H4 headlights on the stock wiring in my TR3A for quite a few years. Only time I had a problem was when there really was a short (one of the strands of wires got loose and touched ground). Perhaps a TR4 is different, but on a TR2-3, each headlight gets its own wire from the dimmer switch, meaning that section only carries about 5 amps even with 60 watt bulbs. And I believe the wire from the main switch to the dimmer switch is 28 strand, meaning it is rated to carry 140% of the actual load with 60 watt bulbs. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 12:09:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8585E2580BC2 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:09:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from moose.dimebank.com (moose.dimebank.com [108.68.51.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46E62580882 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:08:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [174.16.1.11] (108-68-51-234.uvs.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.68.51.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by moose.dimebank.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s9FIBubs015154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:11:56 -0700 From: Chris Kantarjiev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/15/2014 11:00 AM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Perhaps a TR4 is different, but on a TR2-3, each headlight gets its > own wire from the dimmer switch, meaning that section only carries > about 5 amps even with 60 watt bulbs. And I believe the wire from the > main switch to the dimmer switch is 28 strand, meaning it is rated to > carry 140% of the actual load with 60 watt bulbs. It is, indeed. There's one wire that runs up the RH fender wiring bundle from the dimmer, and then gets split to cross the apron. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 13:17:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4779258468A for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:17:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F3E2584492 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:13:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 226-179.speede.golden.net ([216.59.226.179] helo=[192.168.4.102]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XeU3V-0006J9-NN; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:16:18 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:16:16 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: TR3driver@ca.rr.com Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:26 AM, TR3driver@ca.rr.com wrote: > > Perhaps a TR4 is different, but on a TR2-3, each headlight gets its own wire > from the dimmer switch, meaning that section only carries about 5 amps even > with 60 watt bulbs. And I believe the wire from the main switch to the > dimmer switch is 28 strand, meaning it is rated to carry 140% of the actual > load with 60 watt bulbs. > > Randall TR4 through TR6 has a single U/W and single U/R going up to the left front valance area where a double barrel bullet connector provides a single U/W to each high beam element and a single U/R to each low beam element. In the case of the TR6, you can have 4 or five bullet connectors in the series. This greatly adds to the resistance and drops the power to the light filament. Using the existing switch to control a relay and a single wire from the relay to provide power to the filament GREATLY improves the lighting. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 13:47:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3388F2584FB2 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD1B25846AC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NDI009Y24D4PF20@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:48:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:48:39 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-15_07:2014-10-15,2014-10-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1410150173 Subject: [TR] Headlight Update, Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks again to everyone who's replied to my noob questions! Lots of different advice, but that's what's made all this so informative and interesting for me. I think I'll give the halogen bulbs a try in my PL700 and see how they compare to new units, which I've also ordered. I do plan to go with a relay, and upgrading the wiring makes sense from both a safety and lighting power point of view. Do I really not need to be concerned about the effects of the extra wattage bulbs on the headlamp fixture, though? I thought it was always a bad idea to exceed the wattage a light fixture recommends. Perhaps 15w isn't enough to worry about? Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive Grey with Blue Stripes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 13:48:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF74D25846AC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:48:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2CB25846AC for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:45:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vwm25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm25.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.55]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NDI00AHH4DCHEZ0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [69.126.235.217] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:48:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Peglow To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net B > 10. Wow! (Mark J Bradakis) Mark, Thank you for your hard work. And all the folks that take the time offer their knowledge help. I am in also. Regards, Bob Peglow > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:56:36 -0600 > From: Mark J Bradakis To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Wow! > Message-ID: <543D63D4.3020405@bradakis.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I wasn't really expecting this from my comments about flash drives. > Thanks, folks. > Looks like I'll be going shopping soon. > > mjb.B B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 15 18:40:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E988E2584FB6 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F6F2580539 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3ciS1p0042S2Q5R01cii8n; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:42:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.192] ([71.192.208.10]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 3cih1p0020E03aX01ciiUJ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:42:42 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:42:43 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1413420163; bh=FMhRKn8P7aWg39IUbAG6+vKro2UaL86Lxc9TlDgSxjw=; h=Received:Received:Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Mime-Version; b=WsS6JreMK4rpJr1E4rNhYZEL3AyE0oZEp+/6J1tJWyouJgSvhSTDiEzy6xEbxdyjY xs3sFtdXgGkhBScvZxdEFP9zXawmgfI2HnFlO6Jx0do9RbO+kvCOz/XfcqfDx8fU2b 2p1H6bhunuhG3kSjtW6r/ZQ62Ep+ADhIfwLA6u+oTVdo57SZaVKPB4+AxHMGjnbJv1 tt8bf+pu9ZhNcmFoXCSzbrO8gAEGlQA/7bo9Py2lKHKbiFlvt9/MRXjbJrsTRe6aGO 8Q/BYwJgCGwT4Qi9cnRcixgq6Fc6XMufx71IGGw0WLjffPL2OCAEczfTS6WLMezTVn MEnKlP600nrAg== Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 295 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes , the regulator I designed is about to be introduced by CDRC in a month. No, the field is not driven above the system voltage, just through a FET with a fairly low RDS. The FET has some special stuff to get it to turn on at a fairly low dynamo output On my reg, I seem to get to a charge neutral output at night with headlights on at maybe 1200 engine RPM Ate you sure both your field coils are working properly. On my test rig I don't have the ability to slow down the driving motor. I will have to check this out on my car to measure the exact RPM to get charge neutral with EVERYTHING on -Tony Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:12:37 -0700 > From: "Randall" > To: > Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update > Message-ID: <007e01cfe882$13955520$3abfff60$@ca.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> A modern electronic regulator that hold the output voltage right up to the >> current limit of the dynamo WILL allow driving in stop and go traffic at > night. > > Are they actually driving the field voltage above battery voltage? Even > with the regulator full on, my original 19 amp generator won't keep up at > less than 1800-2000 engine rpm. > >> Classic Dynamo and Regulator Conversions in UK is introducing a new line > of >> electronic regulators at the big NEC show in November about a month from >> now. > > Weren't you working on your own, some time back? > >> Also LED brake lights will help improve the energy budget when stopped. > > They'll definitely help, but perhaps not all that much. The original single > brake light on my TR3 was rated 21 watts; my plan is to have 27 watts of > LEDs (arranged in 3 lamps drawing .75 amps each). Might be overkill, but I > want to make certain they are visible even in full sunlight. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 16 00:26:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE09F2584FEF for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BC72580BA2 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:26:28 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [62.84.178.186] ([62.84.178.186:63551] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id FE/44-07667-4D56F345; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:29:41 +0000 From: "Randall" To: References: <25C610DB-0D0F-41CC-AF1A-FA6C82EA8698@icloud.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:29:38 -0700 Thread-Index: AQEz1vZ0ll8SO7xrmE0F5bsEyUJuAJ1qYxTw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Update, Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Do I > really not need to be concerned about the effects of the extra wattage bulbs on > the headlamp fixture, though? I thought it was always a bad idea to exceed the > wattage a light fixture recommends. Perhaps 15w isn't enough to worry about? I'd certainly say not, especially considering that there is a 60 watt factory configuration listed for TR3A (high beam for LHD home market cars). The design leaves plenty of space around both inner and outer bulbs as well as the bucket and there are no flammable materials nearby. I did several long trips with 90/120 bulbs and saw no signs of overheating anywhere after the car got wrecked. Didn't particularly like the look, but Man, did they light up the road on a dark night! (I originally ordered the 80/90 bulbs, but one of them was bad and the replacements the vendor sent were the 90/120s.) Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 16 06:21:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0BA2585109 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:21:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D702584E89 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:14:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id mc6so2796500lab.16 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:17:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ASH9MZkZe2VQc9bXypL5v3fc0Qyi1RiJB8CWdqzFcHA=; b=Mh/4kMNtTSSfUVmeUT7Hvupf4gHjVcx7LbbYACMCOpu7k9Eq4c9etIPBksZ8RMXoDf ir82Sq0lz7PDsgcxWPnjCZszxhiorFA4MhGjUJwltZPN/T+m2Xblr+nnNZYnZrpdU24z fuH2khM+PxMGcs02iMP9GWqnyLCmec1O+P0kS6J80WIc9Av3McgqPgBJX+r5BJXBfU9b ciIp6oDwXDq4n6tfK5LJ4elZcL5gyjjH4iB/hyVmeUuUyZip74kku9PEJOICr8KE1tXq Y0HumwSelgTV6U3kdrBQbwRw7ogdFyw/0KtVJ9OfkqY4ykhs4myoKAYQTixj6mQ2YHKW YxgQ== Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.225.165 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 05:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:17:33 -0400 From: aribert neumann To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] GT6 / Spit rear end options Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 293 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Dave: Grass Roots Motorsports magazine built up a rotary powered Spit a number of years ago. I became a subscriber when I learned that the project was in the works. They (highly) modified a Miata or Rx7 center section so that there were no changes to the Triumph frame. At that time, I had destroyed 2 diffs, in 4 yrs, with my 2.5L Spit bodied GT6. Using their articles as guidance, I built up my own, While GRM also went w/ a custom rear suspension w/ coil overs and custom upper control link, I kept the GT6 suspension but upgraded to a later Spit swingspring set up. I have a 3.66:1 ratio diff (lowest available that I am aware of) with the GT6 overdrive. I am pleased with the overall ratio. My diff consists of: 1.8L Miata diff housing (or 2nd gen RX7 - very similar in appearance), 1st gen RX7 diff carrier, ring & pinion from a mid '80s RWD 626 and axle stubs from a Miata (I don't remember the exact years for this, only a couple of years where the inner CV joints are bolted to axld stubs instead of having spines that stick into the diff). For drive axles, I am using Miata inncer CV joints and VW Transporter outer CV joints (should have used smaller dia joints from a Rabbit GTI - I needed joints that mounted to a flange, most CV joints include a splined stub). To make all this work with the Spit / GT6 frame, the aluminum Miata/RX7 diff housing has the mounting legs cut off, aluminum blocks are welded to the housing to match the Spit/GT6 diff frame mounting & the transvers leaf mounting (and then machined) and the steelTriumph front mounting plate on the diff carrier has to be welded onto the cast iron Mazda diff carrier. This is not a trivial endever. I have a mill and lathe and several welders. I borrowed a rear frame from a Spit, I outsourced the aluminum welding - I don't have a TIG (yet) - and my then employer did not have a fab shop that I could slip into during lunch to take care of my business. I also outsourced machining the splines on the drive axles to go from Mazda inner to VW outer. My then employer sent me down to the Atlanta area to the Lockheed Martin windtunnel - not far away, in Peachtree, GA, is a Mazda salvage yard - I was able to pick up all needed Mazda parts in one short visit and had them shipped back home. This was a winter project for me when the car is off of the road anyway. Currently I have about 20K miles on the custom rear end. THe biggest difference I noticed was the greatly reduced rolling resistance with CV joints vs the original Roto-Flex couplings - the first few drives were downright spooky when driving at low speeds and then coasting (declutched). Downside is that the Japanese diff leaks oil - more than my trans or engine! I intend to pull it this winter to look closer at where it may be coming from - I think there may be a pin hole somewhere in one of the welds on the housing. But then I have intended to do so for atleast the past 3 winters and did not get around to it. You might contact GRM to see if they still have back issues of the Ro-Spit (their name for the project car) build, specifically issues with articles about the diff and the rear suspension. > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David > Porter > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:23 AM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] spit/Gt differentials > > I'm a bit displeased with the 2 rear end ratios available for these > units. I've seen a number of interesting conversions on other marques, > like Miata IRS under a Sprite. Anyone know of "similar" conversions for > the Spitfire or GT6 that they have pictures or contact info for? > Dave > -- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 16 09:28:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1A02585281 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D56525851EA for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:27:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.7.104]) by p3plsmtpa07-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 3rWg1p0092EgGNW01rWoKX; Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:30:49 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:30:45 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/pVaMBWL0eRpGSTam1r9iEfcgIFg== Content-Language: en-us Cc: rmouat@comcast.net Subject: [TR] Carb rebuild - San francisco area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: I have a friend, Rob (copied on this email) who recently shipped his TR3A out to the bay area in advance of spending time there this winter. For whatever reason, the car has sprung a significant gas leak from one of the carbs. Rob is heading out there in a couple of weeks and was wondering if anyone knew of an outfit in the bay area which could rebuild the carbs in a tight timeframe. Thanks in advance for any help! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 17 09:42:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2854425845D6 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:42:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF972580B48 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:36:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id n8so675265qaq.28 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ROAvkcCTKdkzyN5TXhWrsdok5YEBcJnwYtGysLzGxsc=; b=0u7Vq2bq29E7osY814qlk2i8dhUFDTQ36XztI4NI5tNuFajhTZDxhUMR88CekdwEcr SmgRYlZZtd65gRwYQVol5U/AQDK7Sr37I9n58DCFYC/UEw1yc45Alc8siOtd/Kk9HXfU chQb4JPGo4cXxWjVnsPJtmWxxIPTynmUxVaROKoJBvmF7aTKA4hbB1v5SdaVO9KNsHe8 +PaBW/41o6cf0ppiIOseL/cvlUNsBdeGfHWbG4qxAeIZRo3NBVXQ6akyQTGtI1t2U6KI Od6tPMJZ08TTY9Nz53wPrGKVwkNPOgC9hMsnXNHpfZvHxo4PftrJ9tIc3HjMncOQ3+K6 yqhA== q5mr13249780qam.31.1413560393852; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.32.244 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:39:33 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Interesting TR3 recently sold in NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Folks might enjoy looking at the photos of this car: http://www.jasperbeukenkamp.nl/sales/120-for-sale-triumph-tr3-1956 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 17 09:56:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D173F25845ED for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:56:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm2-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD3E258452A for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:49:25 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1413561159; bh=kFk4S2JZlI9TGFJurjVWdmyLZRtcOTt55mr+uTqStZo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=c+YNl+A7/gBSF0yngNG9ATZex5uVmfh1ZHpkTGyYmRUmoFdbcjdVxh1y1T2S6Gij0mmbA0O3xfYV7FAqlp+aS0pTYHYMSau0iCFzp7/DWWTuASHlvDCRXfzLFPgQjx1DP7XrX6N1ZwIKUTGtsMXznYpnYxHQ5XA0VPL0Jn2yx5eCf7LrsDYpY5DZzXqM1Ru8um2R63p+LYPZolOXerblSFLxGeypxvBbSO5ZuGPd63EBqGuq+xq+JHRsKrvPG7KN2dhJRS+2ljQM97zSkJhgXu+VXxkWfQpUimba9l8X7u0KA4qfYmrUHFK54OeZfO6g8zgjEDyg+JPr1fUuR7+piQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=GInPNV78so3Xd+vYoDIbIIN239kRY3cuLS5obeLbVJtSqcopH1sgu7X08DCLvX9HBRAu9+mTpVHr3T5TX4mehwYLkhT/CbVvws8a6I7SzVeIdkE5aMl544XNpAGevA0PKuFlh/okpwjPIcv4GjMbjtOPQfjc7NH6QpVTi4o3UEToe3a9E0XYrQRU2LE8Sznfzil7KYKJXsbPigOmcvO97MnQ3IUQH92V08kSAUPfbCTaI0HT5Hrq8RioxIWQxX+IBF8Z4iwUWdoTaV1pfOEjeNy3jDtqwCgK68xBVwrQzkF/VZblO5raRVoMjpNYAUhVEHLzzclRURqiUwVLp1cMnA==; Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2014 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.252] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2014 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Oct 2014 15:52:39 -0000 bWasDRON5C3ADIMUb0s4iJObmqI5vVTu.AgfieLb1NmEYfTV7zgOfvwGE.zQSqnKiO6vbe.7Vrbk x47YYi6B01D1EH_fl0I0ddI8QDUBnEkYuJB5kd8CxAsm0TJ7QDWdl6TtRbB5xc6m.U_h0jm6j3Jo 7px7hSvTfePOiFXewnfxRFiTIxTqjk9LhnBZMJEZ3CIke6o3J6v5_Y1VuzJtQVty8gYYXKkrJcEN UJF43Gel2t57WTYKIAxT2PfdJ0j61ZuCyfRzzN_v3WkHzpAU2B_Ff2_FgbfLjL.y8km9Vvm7QatQ MiqEwePQLKD7PK0vbj3bH963dPyDtv8iXMmnIzi00Q.BL1y11NZJz1GFT9n5j2ZamXnPcY9WPMij sh6.z5FVxjEHCrXcBmbk.0MFGDVTSNwTDEnaawMN8ksuqzQ6f.jsZ4YFhMKlUigXk1jHjoCbCHEp kcIZXulfgxPHjUVemRtrQQukjuadc3aAS1hnlIWAp0PdqlZ3mWyebRtxkpq99bWBLcCw6gIXrBmT 3IQ5VO9ExasSpmLVTIzg2jndy0fbkPA3OopYJqdPjlPjhJ6pFaCbYkU3tNIGaJK8aXIS5uuTVzL7 HX6u5yhI0EtW3FWXwfgVMPTY- Received: by 98.138.101.181; Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:52:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:52:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: Don Hiscock , Triumphs References: Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR3 recently sold in NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net many many interesting features.can figure out what the thing is on the right side of the photo's by the firewall. a modified heater maybe? frank On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:45 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: Folks might enjoy looking at the photos of this car: http://www.jasperbeukenkamp.nl/sales/120-for-sale-triumph-tr3-1956 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 05:49:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F0D2584619 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:49:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65E258076B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NDN008CS2A4QH90@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:54:07 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR3 recently sold in NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Despite the claim, it's not very original. Inside door handles, grill & surround, dashboard, horns, air filters are all non-original. I'm not sure about the master cylinder. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 10/17/2014 11:39 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > Folks might enjoy looking at the photos of this car: > http://www.jasperbeukenkamp.nl/sales/120-for-sale-triumph-tr3-1956 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 05:50:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E528825854E5 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:50:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176FB25808B7 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:49:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NDN00BWC2CEAX70@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:55:29 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <438603856.136679.1413561158738.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10096.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR3 recently sold in NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It's the motor for the horns. Notice the line going from the horns in that direction. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 10/17/2014 11:52 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > many many interesting features.can figure out what the thing is on the right side of the photo's by the firewall. a modified heater maybe? > frank > > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:45 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > > Folks might enjoy looking at the photos of this car: > http://www.jasperbeukenkamp.nl/sales/120-for-sale-triumph-tr3-1956 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 05:52:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6625854F4 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E49E2584819 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 05:51:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0NDN00CBB2FFPF90@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:57:19 -0400 From: George Richardson To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <438603856.136679.1413561158738.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10096.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR3 recently sold in NL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Oops, sorry, I just noticed the second thing there. Could be a brake booster. George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 10/17/2014 11:52 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > many many interesting features.can figure out what the thing is on the right side of the photo's by the firewall. a modified heater maybe? > frank > > On Friday, October 17, 2014 8:45 AM, Don Hiscock wrote: > > > Folks might enjoy looking at the photos of this car: > http://www.jasperbeukenkamp.nl/sales/120-for-sale-triumph-tr3-1956 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gpr@key-men.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 06:35:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AB92585607 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35AD25851A8 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:34:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [72.91.180.189]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NDN00FHO4F2T240@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:38:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "TR Mail LIst" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:37:46 -0400 Thread-index: Ac/qzpdKJEnFBw0KQ6uNvna/dc5ZOw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 assistance requested Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for images for my project - 1) convertible top bow installation. how the pieces go back together. I have the webbing measurements, etc. also parts schematic which sort of helps. Need a clear image of it installed. 2) how the emergency handle fastens to the chassis. Looks fairly straight forward but don't want to mess it up. Rarely (if ever) use it in an emergency but sure would hate that it not work. THIS IS THE WEEK IT IS ON THE ROAD! Put about 80 miles on it driving around the subdivision. Couple nagging issues - panel lights aren't working and that is a pain in the tush to check out. I am sure a connection came loose up in the spaghetti of wires behind the panel. Brake lights are slow to illuminate. Trying to decide whether to get a low pressure switch or just mount a pressure sensitive switch at the pedal. Any suggestions (and images) appreciated. MJB: Thanks for keeping us connected! the list is great! Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ - VERIZON DISCONTINUED THEIR MYSITE SERVICE. LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME.... Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 08:49:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6FD2585783 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from lsn-bp001-184.jsmtp.net (lsn-bp001-184.jsmtp.net [74.63.200.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E73B25846A4 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:44:55 -0600 (MDT) From: "Art McEwen" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:47:41 +0000 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" MsgID: EYN58141 LocalSender: mcewena@relay.jangosmtp.net Subject: [TR] Triumph special stolen CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://bringatrailer.com/2014/10/17/help-a-bat-friend-ed-a-s-aluminum-triumph -special/#comments ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 08:49:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DBDF258579A for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E1025846A4 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [72.91.180.189]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NDN00KNXAI3DY80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:49:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: "TR Mail LIst" References: <001501cfead0$52166410$f6432c30$@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:49:10 -0400 Thread-index: AQGrJh8qA8Ay7jN+Gh4t1qPckeKjsJx/eJYA Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 assistance requested Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net For clarification - I mean the top bow installation to the side quarter panel not the webbing configuration. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38 AM To: TR Mail LIst Subject: [TR] TR3 assistance requested I am looking for images for my project - 1) convertible top bow installation. how the pieces go back together. I have the webbing measurements, etc. also parts schematic which sort of helps. Need a clear image of it installed. 2) how the emergency handle fastens to the chassis. Looks fairly straight forward but don't want to mess it up. Rarely (if ever) use it in an emergency but sure would hate that it not work. THIS IS THE WEEK IT IS ON THE ROAD! Put about 80 miles on it driving around the subdivision. Couple nagging issues - panel lights aren't working and that is a pain in the tush to check out. I am sure a connection came loose up in the spaghetti of wires behind the panel. Brake lights are slow to illuminate. Trying to decide whether to get a low pressure switch or just mount a pressure sensitive switch at the pedal. Any suggestions (and images) appreciated. MJB: Thanks for keeping us connected! the list is great! Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ - VERIZON DISCONTINUED THEIR MYSITE SERVICE. LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME.... Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 08:50:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1511C25857A9 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:50:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.135]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B34925846A4 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:47:58 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1413643872; bh=UEpTscd00H9S+tRnqRsx+3O0BTqqdygkjwbBQkl6syk=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=MlMnbzo8efIrZXShqQbxY4Md+KeDBOPjB3ibbJxgYlRiSLxMff96FHcnXeyJi050XLkI25fl6kMkNABymxa+49Zskjs8S91d2RqaLZARDItMzymd5QDrRWP7co9AV7ym3d6anCRBq+UsO1p3mk80HxVqLbtSUzQfxRj3coGwqBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=KLffN92vx9b8j3hraUD76pTvWgN1hlqhudcmIkfIYtXUKuZeKigU8WAYnJAqmw+tb4zBZgLPWfsWPKzUZCsoLnCKklF1IwhoDgcU3xeQ0nCR4eCPeZ96cm+5M3ksuHGCco/jIh25s81EQtJsRSH2hxKBFFmwkRkqQUUujwndO9k=; Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 14:51:12 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.144] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 14:51:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp116.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 14:51:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1413643872; bh=UEpTscd00H9S+tRnqRsx+3O0BTqqdygkjwbBQkl6syk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-index; b=zTwePdjyl9b+o/Bi4Eh2k5oWK5p+aUjYuRVSmXw61CpJ7vavhkjDD4OhAGoDIz3iLpLtPxPw2aOOamu2ftZXS7+8tXmSvcs8DUCsthcsJUAk79OnE9ju1Yk8pvWB0lY1+V9SCN8tZqAN0w5TIxh6YZegKF56I83/LiQJzfYSIW0= oBRXBg.2jbK2Pfh0wzWYPpj7s7vKmvRPnAX3Aldmc.WXRcINPYoFPm0Q88wK BF6l.WFtpkeqTtKghCe3i0A4ddwJuVuKqeAnN5TQnXEFhD70r42Kj5dBxc0R O6aLERkaIsapwb5BSyBfoygiwsfjttlXMrNYvA5rwaR_UAdrFGDAGxuP2hpz jkenTBx15N7yZ5Qgp8F3SCWy1SRUOmNf9R3YCit71D75vdNpb1vvoqq4TWHZ eZruHMlgKyNVjkyEy5ftLtBb514qW7ntBGlTYUmmkMnoZx3ZKnSoq68o1CBI ut07SuD38So7RJwsv3ZiznUNp4ZO2SjR.dQhC4y..AnrgK0T1w8MaV8HSR09 QUfW4WR4MBmw1unc.TNUt8BKTFCcgWJLLdhPcmFWruaqTw.sIL1umYaE52Ou GFDchbVlHEEla7cuVIlczratk.3aVDIhxw_vQEHoLt.ie3ROZbzW9KZfkXsU k3dgBpzQVCcBz4zw9ahsAtQNm7msN_rMdxljqM0w- From: To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:51:05 -0500 Thread-index: Ac/q4qEKN2RZqa+3TcGLl8Oqlx/PTQ== Subject: [TR] Very early 3A question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You may have seen a black TR3A on eBay in the past weeks, , well a gentleman has asked me to look at it on his behalf him as it is close to my home. I noticed two items about the body that made me wonder about the originality of the body parts: 1. This car, TS23733L, has a TR3 boot lid; 2. No "TRIUMPH" lettering across the front. These are both TR3 attributes and my question is this car too far away from the break point for these to be considered correct or has someone been blending cars? Many Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" '55 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?" S. Paige ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 09:49:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994732584897 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com (mail-oi0-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AA72584794 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 09:46:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id a3so1869527oib.22 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mRZGBVJqGcAqMILq4ukQ41qfng4pz7yTRu+zU6FsyoE=; b=Bkh6SiqJwU/SgE6wilQ2E+LfpPkVEvYlqjYm8Lxi56S2dLozG3OVK6nzl0x979qd6e H3tCI31ylOJek83tRoFwFV2Ap8P7K4I/GyEaogkxKdFwZywxkqH5MPvccGz0vYkvSEOc 8pDHuKtsahc4mmg1/HGoeB/Wwa/YQT3SVc3LYwpulHiX95v+WU6FukL8XmpvcrMW5htT J5nCbl2d+9TRCk6wPCIrRFLh1mOfDIlvMjMq5oCdkF3yXRrlPsVMx5RRu+xxLBVmHaXa zJs8rJx7PkWhx5XWkcxq5j15dVzolXYRc30t+mBuK9CPhF7F5LV3CGu5u1GGLWoWOxjG gLbw== g9mr12956695obx.14.1413647373432; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-63-143.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.63.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g5sm1899190obx.8.2014.10.18.08.49.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:49:29 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Very early 3A question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 10/18/14, 7:51 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > > 2. No "TRIUMPH" lettering across the front. These are both TR3 attributes > and my question is this car too far away from the break point for these to > be considered correct or has someone been blending cars? > We had this discussion on the list about 20 years ago. Triumph TR3Bs and maybe a few very late TR3As used the ribless TR4 style lettering that had mounting studs in a different location from the ribbed TR3 lettering. Starting when the second set of lettering went into production Triumph manufactured factory replacement front valances without holes for the lettering. When a TR3 came into a shop with front valence damage and a new factory replacement was ordered it came without the lettering holes. The shop was supposed to drill the proper set of holes for the lettering. Dealers probably had a hole template and drilled the holes and non-dealer body shops probably didn't drill the holes. So all a front valence that does not have holes for lettering tells you is that the front valance was replaced sometime between around 1963 and when the factory ran out of replacement front valences. My initial thought on the replacement boot lid is that someone likely had a luggage rack and loaded it too heavily denting the boot lid. Factor boot lids are not overly strong and it doesn't take a huge amount of weight to leave dents where the luggage rack sits. Of course it could have been from rust issues but the whole vehicle would have a number of rust issues before a boot lid would need replacing. If you are looking for a decent driver those two items shouldn't be an issue. If you are a rivet counter interested in concourse those should be easy fixes. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 10:07:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A1C25848FE for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:07:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm29-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm29-vm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E0325848A3 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:07:28 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1413648643; bh=JzpiS2T7kuNFus8+0mL1Cp7R5hpf0U5MWCyNFxm8sdk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=6eRztp4o3rO4DkkTEfqOC1p8jv97qXmddN6lX42kzUAN7zJW1MU7QPVEg127bpZDMn3k98UTiOiJglediDtprWyGjzkEAwJk6lAMooVV1WZEF+fsNw8YwMIzfjb7W9HsZs52gE2lzrRXQizouqC9pfEb0u1MKqkZjeoZgP8vraw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=xTMpPnc9SXGjNoBJyUgEEpg/QieZ0paE8WKGutdZgsuQ3iWlSFDxZHJFD6Wl3jFWaGhcJuWSmFE6rzbdt/QbAMEs2/9fFz8q+DUWy6mn1hNwpXkzu4ykDf8RgBXf0Owb55njJhIfCGISLsh6ttQjV+kkKREz2PRqSNM290UA/UU=; Received: from [216.39.60.183] by nm29.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 16:10:43 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.199] by tm19.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 16:10:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2014 16:10:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1413648643; bh=JzpiS2T7kuNFus8+0mL1Cp7R5hpf0U5MWCyNFxm8sdk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=EcigQywI1PHmg1MU3sDQaECOpi/7PI7plkIE6YZEsdCM9OB3n53h/jDiE4CidlYPXL+J6DR+Ptd++kdf5oGWGup8u97eO3heDSVe4np4AlfpOGkRQ+OhNj4g/9FKulx3ZODjhn2EGaMamsVqYdBKE1amGtH1FfxUrO9G2wjzaHQ= Pd4.IGeFJ1a_ISjoHIR1qj6pr6ZrAtI_O8A4pVS1202KtqfcqvmUMIqnte.W XJtiLxUegnOsWaWOx7wnBYxn24.VX1l6Fu5ETMn3xwps1n.FC8QiwqOXysEA ERA6LbKQGIRgE319FmZoIlfIvjttW5m5scvL36i6qzX4mH3prP25GNqL3eFG G_6RVHIcavIqigDTKGUrRq.xvA7N2CxIWwLgFVgkjk2jBXdIZMoam3AKqSC_ jETev3TS5eRWXlSMRpl6sJQCTU9Mnzg2CzyZB3WCF3wZxE5rCWtmEqx5jLse QkNZXZ5SjgFATiFzCD_OlOaRr1RzddgrX8Xhr5ulze5LvBVm4gH766OANFiw p4M2lYrVjuQBO.2BfYgupBUnw46M6VNCTEICzYD0zPheqsiwY98ptQkSHi66 pq1cjcA.vsbbq1yEF4HCnoRHjXR5x2cfayvMq4rlHmMptQto6D09OJqTRMlx bNzhjomMlX1gH4xZwtSS6OcPnKgkd5fMdY_7KHEbC3As7NapJUalhCdjBH.e 1ekGHy2okPczKyWZEOe7wraxA1YddkBRfBrEduQ-- From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:10:42 -0500 References: <54428C09.5080807@gmail.com> To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Very early 3A question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks TeriAnn, forgot about the possibility of a replacement front valance. As to the boot lid, would it require modifications to the body opening to accept the side latches? Car sounds like a good driver, what the buyer is looking for. Going to see it this afternoon and go for a ride. All the best, Bill B Sent from mobile Bill On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:49 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 10/18/14, 7:51 AM, wbeech@flash.net wrote: > 2. No "TRIUMPH" lettering across the front. These are both TR3 attributes > and my question is this car too far away from the break point for these to > be considered correct or has someone been blending cars? We had this discussion on the list about 20 years ago. Triumph TR3Bs and maybe a few very late TR3As used the ribless TR4 style lettering that had mounting studs in a different location from the ribbed TR3 lettering. Starting when the second set of lettering went into production Triumph manufactured factory replacement front valances without holes for the lettering. When a TR3 came into a shop with front valence damage and a new factory replacement was ordered it came without the lettering holes. The shop was supposed to drill the proper set of holes for the lettering. Dealers probably had a hole template and drilled the holes and non-dealer body shops probably didn't drill the holes. So all a front valence that does not have holes for lettering tells you is that the front valance was replaced sometime between around 1963 and when the factory ran out of replacement front valences. My initial thought on the replacement boot lid is that someone likely had a luggage rack and loaded it too heavily denting the boot lid. Factor boot lids are not overly strong and it doesn't take a huge amount of weight to leave dents where the luggage rack sits. Of course it could have been from rust issues but the whole vehicle would have a number of rust issues before a boot lid would need replacing. If you are looking for a decent driver those two items shouldn't be an issue. If you are a rivet counter interested in concourse those should be easy fixes. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 11:49:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D9A2584655 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1746D2580B9F for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:42:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from CarlDell ([unknown] [72.91.180.189]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NDN008QCINPD920@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "CFM-TR" To: References: <001501cfead0$52166410$f6432c30$@verizon.net> <002301cfeae2$ada20a20$08e61e60$@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:45:21 -0400 Thread-index: AQGrJh8qA8Ay7jN+Gh4t1qPckeKjsANG8u4wAtYF0nmcTsI7AA== Content-language: en-us Cc: TR Mail LIst Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 assistance requested Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Bill - that is what I needed for the top bow question. I had both sides off and couldn't remember which way was 'front'. Carl -----Original Message----- From: wbeech@flash.net [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:58 AM To: cfmtr3a@verizon.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 assistance requested Is your question as to where to mount the ribs? If so, this picture may help. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:49 AM To: TR Mail LIst Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 assistance requested For clarification - I mean the top bow installation to the side quarter panel not the webbing configuration. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CFM-TR Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38 AM To: TR Mail LIst Subject: [TR] TR3 assistance requested I am looking for images for my project - 1) convertible top bow installation. how the pieces go back together. I have the webbing measurements, etc. also parts schematic which sort of helps. Need a clear image of it installed. 2) how the emergency handle fastens to the chassis. Looks fairly straight forward but don't want to mess it up. Rarely (if ever) use it in an emergency but sure would hate that it not work. THIS IS THE WEEK IT IS ON THE ROAD! Put about 80 miles on it driving around the subdivision. Couple nagging issues - panel lights aren't working and that is a pain in the tush to check out. I am sure a connection came loose up in the spaghetti of wires behind the panel. Brake lights are slow to illuminate. Trying to decide whether to get a low pressure switch or just mount a pressure sensitive switch at the pedal. Any suggestions (and images) appreciated. MJB: Thanks for keeping us connected! the list is great! Carl 1960 TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ - VERIZON DISCONTINUED THEIR MYSITE SERVICE. LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME.... Tampa, Florida ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 12:03:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03282584539 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631A0258086D for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:55:11 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=TR3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [86.136.2.86] ([86.136.2.86:56118] helo=WDX5CB3190PQ0) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 20/16-28217-04AA2445; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:58:25 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:58:20 -0700 Thread-Index: AQLpkjmNcfrAWCrNqSxgpunPCKiB/poC1IFw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Very early 3A question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net According to Piggott, some cars did still have the 'budget' locks on the boot, until TS23920. So that part may actually be as original. As noted, replacement front aprons didn't come with the holes, even aftermarket replacements. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 15:20:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE592584704 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:20:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail.nii.net (mail.nii.net [69.25.198.12]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA192580969 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:12:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.123.133] (75-147-55-109-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.147.55.109]) by mail.nii.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 68CE51C022F for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:16:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Delis Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:15:58 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List I am getting a 1973 Lotus Europa twin cam ready to sell for the widow of an old friend of mine It has been sitting for a few years, but all it seems to need is a fuel pump. I am not connected with the Lotus community as I am with the Triumph community and have no idea where to source a pump for it My google-fu is failing me! I have found a few sources in the UK, but the only places I have found selling Lotus parts in the US are selling Elise and Exige parts Any ideas? I would not be surprised if it was the same one in a TR3- it certainly looks similar! Thanks Alex 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 15:40:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7819D25846AD for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:40:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7725225806C8 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:39:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390062C00B6; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:42:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:42:51 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Alexander Delis , Triumph List References: <2CB84D49-B2D3-4481-9F0B-EBD0899B4E18@bcdef.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try www.davebean.com mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 16:05:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C505225848E3 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:05:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA972580A32 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:60015] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B1/C8-28217-0D4E2445; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:08:16 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumph List" References: <2CB84D49-B2D3-4481-9F0B-EBD0899B4E18@bcdef.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 17:08:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You might try going down a different road, what kind of carbs does if have, I am going to assume Strombergs or Webers, both should have a low pressure pump, if you go here there is a listing of several aftermarket pumps suitable for SU, Weber, or Stromberg carbs. Look here for some likely options--http://www.healey6.com/replacement_parts.htm scroll down. Greg -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alexander Delis" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:15 PM To: "Triumph List" Subject: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa > List > > I am getting a 1973 Lotus Europa twin cam ready to sell for the widow of > an > old friend of mine > > It has been sitting for a few years, but all it seems to need is a fuel > pump. > > I am not connected with the Lotus community as I am with the Triumph > community > and have no idea where to source a pump for it > > My google-fu is failing me! I have found a few sources in the UK, but the > only > places I have found selling Lotus parts in the US are selling Elise and > Exige > parts > > Any ideas? > > I would not be surprised if it was the same one in a TR3- it certainly > looks > similar! > > Thanks > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 16:33:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0BC2584937 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:33:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5818D2584656 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 4mYg1p00x1FNdY601mYgxT; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:32:40 +0100 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=Zt28-GCSAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=LYm-9rDkcm8b1TXPUxEA:9 a=C81pIyH8tzwO5yWU:21 a=kcAM3EpmbWYtCEjg:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=3dem-YSdpsoA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Alexander Delis" , "Triumph List" References: <2CB84D49-B2D3-4481-9F0B-EBD0899B4E18@bcdef.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:33:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There were two engines fitted to The Lotus Europa . The single cam was a Renault 16 engine. The twin cam being Ford based. Therefore the mechanical fuel pump is a universal British Ford fitment made in the millions. It was fitted to all OHV Pre crosflow and cross flow engines 1100, 1200, 1300,1600cc from the late 50's until early 80's. The cars it was fitted to are Anglia, Cortina Mk 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Capri Mk 1, 2, 3, Escort Mk1, 2, Fiesta and Mk3 Escort (ohv only), Plenty of models to choose from, many exported to US sometimes under different model names. Early ones had a glass fuel chamber, later ones tin. Some with push connections some screw type. If you have trouble locating one I could source one here in UK. Although I do not think you will have much trouble locating one in the US if you know what you are looking for. The Triumph pump will not fit. Adrian Wales, UK TR and Lotus Owner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Delis" To: "Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15 PM Subject: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa > List > > I am getting a 1973 Lotus Europa twin cam ready to sell for the widow of > an > old friend of mine > > It has been sitting for a few years, but all it seems to need is a fuel > pump. > > I am not connected with the Lotus community as I am with the Triumph > community > and have no idea where to source a pump for it > > My google-fu is failing me! I have found a few sources in the UK, but the > only > places I have found selling Lotus parts in the US are selling Elise and > Exige > parts > > Any ideas? > > I would not be surprised if it was the same one in a TR3- it certainly > looks > similar! > > Thanks > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8410 - Release Date: 10/18/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 16:48:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29B25849B5 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209B02584920 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:44:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 4mno1p00N1FNdY601mno9i; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:47:52 +0100 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=Zt28-GCSAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=zAUTrbhopn0_ptEd3Z8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=3dem-YSdpsoA:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=UQas3yWoAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=vGf1tOB8AAAA:8 a=pwIP7ZobAAAA:8 a=TeuQqM9sAAAA:8 a=qI-sqkvjAAAA:8 a=BQ81NqAqAAAA:8 a=NyfgJmMsAAAA:8 a=thg18ku_AAAA:8 a=ijKfTRyVa5uIMgtP4fwA:9 a=ktYdGDbuPSP93vmS:21 a=S9cl5C7H4aA2joXP:21 a=ACgTlMIJvX7cVRIj:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=nl_WNWjtoSIA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=cywCM1dK51oA:10 a=lKUl4icR8WEA:10 a=yHVRxQxeMcEA:10 a=yHnNIlsU3DQA:10 a=eJJcQCMF5ScA:10 a=CIAuQfBPEJYA:10 a=G7oI4iY9VkQA:10 a=uD44_iyfhLcA:10 a=LEphe-37Ag8A:10 a=hAcWwEkzFDQA:10 a=J3bxftqi4VUA:10 a=lFdfx6gT-2oA:10 a=9jHQRpxNfCIA:10 a=ogf0wVI0CRMA:10 a=nlOWtK9PVdAA:10 a=o6SdR0w8UzkA:10 a=YENO6kucTqMA:10 a=lALYbXw9GkgA:10 a=FJpO8AklDdgA:10 a=RUzkJyzDwbAA:10 a=dYB-csi7iIcA:10 a=JeyCpyYo-oMA:10 a=r4nwKSuI8UgA:10 a=Cm-F-oGiU4gA:10 a=zil5QdLD1k0A:10 a=p8ILxm6useMA:10 a=A6ACZZ5HwaUA:10 a=3VhOkPGwNzQA:10 a=zUwgnGJ1uWgA:10 a=JGRTZuKikEUA:10 a=q5KNA824EusA:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Alexander Delis" , "Triumph List" References: <2CB84D49-B2D3-4481-9F0B-EBD0899B4E18@bcdef.net> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 23:48:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is the pump you need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Delis" To: "Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:15 PM Subject: [TR] Non-Triumph question about Lotus Europa > List > > I am getting a 1973 Lotus Europa twin cam ready to sell for the widow of > an > old friend of mine > > It has been sitting for a few years, but all it seems to need is a fuel > pump. > > I am not connected with the Lotus community as I am with the Triumph > community > and have no idea where to source a pump for it > > My google-fu is failing me! I have found a few sources in the UK, but the > only > places I have found selling Lotus parts in the US are selling Elise and > Exige > parts > > Any ideas? > > I would not be surprised if it was the same one in a TR3- it certainly > looks > similar! > > Thanks > > Alex > > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO > 1968 GT6 KC10303 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8410 - Release Date: 10/18/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 18 21:50:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87AE258093C for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC60258074B for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id kx10so3064980pab.37 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:44:58 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=A6ylb7QbnJ+Vv8DeRXFp8KYrZDGGP4QDqNoiGtLrSlU=; b=N/PlycJvvuFiYZkMLWKSIWVkEtUek+r/jPZOFQId9ie9/j1f1JQMjH+ceSxWG/Hfsj 5m3A8bnG3uHsi4cQSpA88UfsoR51rnU60KuxuSF6eNRZhgRorpe3ZeIEaUyVd3b91447 hWbdgE1yjrejiN1oL05Qi6dRKaviVBvstcCxy8DCDlE3ShU+7j7BjZ24MjqfGIKfGiQO 0lAHlyITX+8pA/v6Jys2cLy8cxeTodLPQEtQLNh+9wVpqVgYAg1AR75RDRaDRwcLqynL xT60YVi9BB2xqr9vfPAv6UXqAhx9j7k+qCssCA07Crs+G0LD8XGrgQZgi5OKKQPBTafm 8fwA== l3mr19030769pda.39.1413690298477; Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (210-86-85-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [210.86.85.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qc8sm5428660pdb.70.2014.10.18.20.44.55 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:45:10 +1300 Thread-Index: Ac/rTxT3LBo9E2g3SbemQrD9YOhFTw== Subject: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It costly to run servers etc, I should know as I service them so I made a small donation. And thanks for the great service you provide. Has anyone purchased floorpans from thses people? And if yes were they a good fit etc. http://www.c2cfabrication.com/store/1963-76-triumph-tr4-full-floor-pan-rh/#p rettyPhoto Jim and the 1962 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 19 01:34:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5219825851F3 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:34:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE4C258044F for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 01:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id v10so3068565pde.8 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:35:13 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=DsFZxlu11prbTsOY2tTR/EKSe3YwGeZFOp/pa8obrjo=; b=U58g5rR6viyzmFT2JvTirDNGuGWz/ihB9Y5PyGUnzgkw2/335MH+ChfDiEVrrfoCGi SqRpw0UR84bSCaYlh9DrzaJzoQU7N85mXDTRgPD1ycfKvUmNNjZGFeNwa4mALql/T6qY Q3U3XHFoxb3vx8d3oosp8aClylX0d3HAk2T7mABWVHeoDgvHDwLkjV2r1mUXUW3YME4o 02vsico8Ld8pswTDa+nKO2NcMmB0iSjjGyp/dJarxv9bQaj/wmY1q8aFI6WXEnoL2idD BHyb4N6OPH+6Vih+rAyXsAg+kWeytPsBecAW2fsDeoKznBJZ9OCXXqc3zzORGkhgHzxq nPVg== wx6mr2420181pac.94.1413704113049; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AMD5400 (210-86-85-197.jetstream.xtra.co.nz. [210.86.85.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ib8sm5933282pad.43.2014.10.19.00.35.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 20:35:14 +1300 Thread-Index: Ac/rbzh3heTXG5IRTuam0bBIqIGynQ== Subject: [TR] Floorpans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Actually I should have called the post floorpans. I only need the front 25 odd percent the bit just in front of the fold in front of the jack hole. I can't ever recall seeing repair panels for the floorpans. Jim and the slowly re-assembling TR4. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 19 06:12:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13505258559B for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 06:12:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-10.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E6925802EA for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 06:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-10-imp with bizsmtp id 50F71p02F1FNdY6010F7so; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:15:08 +0100 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=F9S3lJeE8MMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=J6iC5VBGAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=iWXghXRwoLEWGF8Q15AA:9 a=W_jF6NvTxs92HJpd:21 a=iqBO99HgwsSM8wba:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=O58u2wXj750A:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Jim Vassiliadis" , References: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:16:16 +0100 Subject: Re: [TR] Pertronix Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have not used this supplier of body repair panels. I used the Moss items which I believe are made from original press tools. I changed both sides and the fit was as good as you would expect. My work involved the replacement of the inner and outer sill/rocker at the same time so was a little more involved. It did give me a little more leeway with the fit. It is worth pointing out that in the case of all repair panels a little fettling will be required even with the best panels available. What I would look out for with an untried panel supplier is that the gauge thickness is as original, and all the captive bolt locations and holes are all present in the panel as original these things do make the difference. $99 bucks sounds very cheap. Adrian, TR4A CT64306 O Wales, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Vassiliadis" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:45 AM Subject: [TR] Pertronix > It costly to run servers etc, I should know as I service them so I made a > small donation. > And thanks for the great service you provide. > > Has anyone purchased floorpans from thses people? > And if yes were they a good fit etc. > > http://www.c2cfabrication.com/store/1963-76-triumph-tr4-full-floor-pan-rh/#p > rettyPhoto > > Jim and the 1962 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4181/1 - Release Date: 09/05/14 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 19 07:51:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567562585617 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:51:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4D42584C68 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 07:47:47 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=H-auLZZu-ioOmjwO6tEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GBXQxj4tRfGpD_kdLywA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=exXsC2Q14HF1t2df:21 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50829] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 57/82-06647-5C1C3445; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:51:02 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:56:29 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A Top Installation Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good Morning, I am about half way through installing a new top on my TR4A and I have a question or two but here is where I am at this point. I have the rear of the top attached to the rear mounting bracket but I ended up not using the male lift-a-dot studs that are riveted to the brackets that Moss sells. The "rivet" part of the stud was too short to actually swage over. So, I went to the fastener aisle of my local McCabe hardware store and lo and behold, there was a box of lift-a-dot fasteners! There in the box were male lift-a-dot studs with a machine thread end! I was able to use those to attach the rear of the top to the rear mounting frame/bracket. The rear of the top is now attached! I have the webbing threaded through the slot in the bracket and ready to pop-rivet to the frames. By the way, the webbing kit straps didn't have loops sewn into an end to slide the metal pins slide into so I had to sew those in. (Once my wife threaded a needle for me). I am wondering if I should wait to attach the webbing to the top frame until after I stretch the top? It would seem that would be the preferred method as those top frame cross bows are supposed to end up under each seam in the top and right now the position of those bows could change slightly as the top is stretched? My other question is how do I attach the webbing to the front of the top frame? I wonder if I am supposed to thread it under the latches maybe?? I updated my website with pictures of the top installation if you want to see what I have done so far. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a If you click on Check My Progress and then click on the top link you can get there.. If the sun comes out today, I will pull the car outside and let the top warm up so I can stretch it. It's cloudy right now but it's early too. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 19 09:42:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070862584D3C for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f44.google.com (mail-wg0-f44.google.com [74.125.82.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728462584CAC; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id y10so3801341wgg.15 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=ifvxR+5ygvfcAjzylYiQVMMDurNmawsUoWmhKA2UmP4=; b=liF0k3M3FVFPMR/knZogFlTQXvIPlSwOpZ4/hXg+S7N5g8+QHL6bfkl+r78yL7AaU8 t8MjH260v+qYhgdIc4cHIDIWyjovTR2MB0hy0sv1eBZ6fAvqKNY9yGvlMAhiTRW/kCKk qNGFuoT/OLTpmmjxAA66KXhx4+ZkOD/Fs7NAgQH1ZdqHgwaCXTnWjzCGcJSWNKhUgnw6 rzkDvk41/UMflz2CgX2Gh/TjrujeLzxweJpome10nzqhgDNao7dz6o5uo3wTdi0B/0kD AzE+7i0gRMBlyi3b0wbLmSkffnc8pqeEsJJ7WiasnB/e3/hRH4A9WotkDzp0iXndwr1x Dxbw== hj8mr26412000wjb.28.1413733484055; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ic4sm6495823wid.19.2014.10.19.08.44.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Oct 2014 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "*Six Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "*Triumphs List" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 17:42:42 +0200 Subject: [TR] Quebec/Gatineau Canada Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To listers.... Having a change of plans and will be visiting The Quebec/Gatineau Canada area during December and early January coming from Italy. Any events planned in this area or general club meetings to visits... Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 19 11:27:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB712584BA5 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:27:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from imta-37.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C8C25803CC for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 11:26:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pps.filterd (omta004.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id s9JHTT0B001535 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:30:01 -0700 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43eb9656) id dm0207.543deae1.325cf9 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:30:01 -0700 From: Robert Jones Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 12:29:59 -0500 To: "" engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-10-19_03:2014-10-17,2014-10-19,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1410190161 Subject: [TR] Bulb Holders Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a old TR6 scrap wiring harness that they would be willing to cut the tach (or speedo) ilumination light bulb holders off? I need two. Contact me off list. Thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 20 10:13:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B63B2584C33 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9762F2580863 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:04:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id b6so4185765lbj.17 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vZRQIMOndAJUc8pbjoLM/9rAEDBlCjruxTBn7ip0BQU=; b=pBS1hNlSqUTH5OH7HH4L16wlUF7JCQhr9r7t7ysEOm3uMscPEVAIaMqbckdcNvn2/E Qg4oLEWtIrI2G90Bh5i/RPD0KQm5u/rgGpxOAiqYionzzucHAaFfvp4KWS+yk2nNqm+l nADlFsugTX6IUXsQhQ+B47PZXa7784UZh8ttFi1Av371ZIs5nBeEwGPh3Bv1cboNLmdT VoqUs3Hfo7UdGpVA9SpijSWjMwIRfdL09I9q59DD+L8kEs2Zd+MUPCBv5lDTlvpizTdr VKNd7ixAA2E7YFIBIF49vDmfsbKEzklr8mcWfCWFH2gpGRToOGfTNi+A1GhEi42FPWuA 9L6A== a9mr28597743lae.41.1413821256391; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.156.201 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:07:36 -0700 From: Malcolm To: Jim Vassiliadis Cc: triumph list Subject: [TR] c2c fabrication floor pans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Jim, I got a set of the c2c fabrications floor pans for my TR4. I got them through Rock Auto at a very slight discount (and easier shipping to Canada). Cannot comment yet on the fit, but they are not as nice as the photo suggests. The indentations for the ribs are quite shallow. There are a lot of folks out there who have sent them back and ordered the heritage pans. They do not have captured nuts. I am certainly keeping mine as I have already done a lot of sheet metal repair on my car and am looking at a lot of work regardless of the source of the metal. I also plan on refreshing my panel-beating skills by working the ribs a bit deeper - since nobody will see the results but me, I figure it's better to practice on that before tackling the trunk lid and front wings. Let me know if you would like closeup photos or measurements, mine are still sitting in the workshop waiting for me to finish up some other projects. Regards, -Malcolm On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Jim Vassiliadis wrote: > It costly to run servers etc, I should know as I service them so I made a > small donation. > And thanks for the great service you provide. > > Has anyone purchased floorpans from thses people? > And if yes were they a good fit etc. > > > http://www.c2cfabrication.com/store/1963-76-triumph-tr4-full-floor-pan-rh/#p > rettyPhoto > > Jim and the 1962 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 20 21:31:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BD82584932 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f44.google.com (mail-qa0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1742580539 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:27:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id x12so252245qac.17 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=t3voxnferQboDvIrjf7FEB/pYsYab6UqZYo5dzCtALE=; b=Vwdynj2Nj8IbMR5vF/feO3V35O6maSypyCW458DCPsA3yWBNU2I9D2EJoNvyFR3sdJ fb+rtaDPLLa/VxAHKwdUfKQc0gEUmbryfhEFyE4CNm/yLuV8J6FkvVFMdAHg0TqSDAQk QurGCDmq3C8hWIeW6V+Yr2rr/1DNZpP3PgBQf4AyDxzL9ZWeZpX8CwrLkGwBxR3CtNQS TyeCNhGq4OjNZ0+ohSURmBAwzw8Hdu3KgZcNMrH88LQDh7/XjtdxH4apHBmZBnhoi7/L L2avO7cS1/Y7rmXZyEmwtmZqSvPIN1qamKHlEFcMCfYbsmy/eBW/trFdGTxNsezGAH6W vHow== u7mr40498882qaj.41.1413862239363; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.32.244 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:30:19 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Help needed with an item for sale (non-TR) in mid-Iowa? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A member of our list who reads everything but rarely posts has asked for help checking some details on a transportation-related but non-TR item for sale in Montezuma, Iowa (many hundreds of miles from his place). It's a bit far from the St. Louis metro area where I am, but maybe someone here is closer? Lemme know and I'll put you guys in touch. TIA, Don ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 06:50:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495522584AE5 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651AD25802EA for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id eu11so1376896pac.0 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:53:16 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=oPkoJ3Y28GIsKrSMT43U1RQJ2KKB9MRmEEjQTHigzYs=; b=qRvIf3KmM5s23zzd/0HjAMEDh7WVRJFUkNp+TcyiZtMnj66ObEVXB1u1JSzKxpMxi2 qnrQYCtPiQDDIhE370kmJ7VEanLKlmdSsAYvFH4nYEQ2VhUvfB3KjCjMkfhyMCzphE+k ook+nyphY8nBknkmhXKEKKwSwV9x+oOeNClacRQR7uktU7QZUm5363FLLFZIntRQ8MZw ZDok1j6w93k+krVhgQKF/9sZVJPEQKuSrMCtX/X6B5HIrfsVdGQgtizPtQYAurL+hFpg bV7tz6OIEtoV+SEgN8gS2YtUzGodIh1yhWbtTzra++h9/g4RppqNTNjn+9ViFM2eeOaV KA/Q== z1mr34460488pbt.107.1413895996588; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.24.65 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 05:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:53:16 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Listers, I'm in the process of replacing the thrust washers, rod and main bearings on the 62,000 mile 72 TR6 that I recently purchased (preventitive maintenance). After dropping the pan I've found what appears to be a whitish/silverish substance coating most of the inside of the engine block. The bottom of the oil pan after draining also seemed to have a coating of the same substance. Rubbing the substance with my gloved finger doesn't really come away with anything noticeable on the glove. At first I thought it might be from condensation since the car hasn't been started for over 5 years but the more I thought about it I began to think it might be some sort of additive. I contacted the seller and sure enough, he informed me he had religiously changed oil every 2000 miles and always used an additive called Bardahl. You can check it out via the following link. http://www.bardahl.com/en/products/oil-additives/b-1-oil-supplement I've pulled the rear main bearing cap and the bearing looks brand new and the crank journal looks like it has no miles on it. I remember years ago my dad religiously used STP oil treatment on all of his vehicles and he never had issues with the engines in his vehicles. I'm somewhat impressed with the looks of the bearings and journal. Anyone else ever use Bardahl's additive? I'm not sure if I should continue using it or not. I will be regularly changing oil using Brad Penn's 20w50 semi-synthetic oil. Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 07:20:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F162584BCE for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94E4258499E for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:11:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vms170033pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.50]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NDS000DNQ3SIE90@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 205.143.204.198 ([205.143.204.198]) by vms170033 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:14:16 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: bkahler1@gmail.com, Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, I own a 72 TR6 myself. On the link you provided, it states that the product is for "new engines". Yours is not that! I also converted from Castrol 20W-50 to Brad Penn myself several years ago after sending oil samples to Blackstone Labs for analysis. It was the ZDDP thing. If it was me, I would do what you plan on with Brad Penn and forget about the additive. Enjoy, Craig On 10/21/14, Brad Kahler wrote: Listers, I'm in the process of replacing the thrust washers, rod and main bearings on the 62,000 mile 72 TR6 that I recently purchased (preventitive maintenance). After dropping the pan I've found what appears to be a whitish/silverish substance coating most of the inside of the engine block. The bottom of the oil pan after draining also seemed to have a coating of the same substance. Rubbing the substance with my gloved finger doesn't really come away with anything noticeable on the glove. At first I thought it might be from condensation since the car hasn't been started for over 5 years but the more I thought about it I began to think it might be some sort of additive. I contacted the seller and sure enough, he informed me he had religiously changed oil every 2000 miles and always used an additive called Bardahl. You can check it out via the following link. http://www.bardahl.com/en/products/oil-additives/b-1-oil-supplement I've pulled the rear main bearing cap and the bearing looks brand new and the crank journal looks like it has no miles on it. I remember years ago my dad religiously used STP oil treatment on all of his vehicles and he never had issues with the engines in his vehicles. I'm somewhat impressed with the looks of the bearings and journal. Anyone else ever use Bardahl's additive? I'm not sure if I should continue using it or not. I will be regularly changing oil using Brad Penn's 20w50 semi-synthetic oil. Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 07:21:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4702584BCC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:21:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E200A2580B51 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:19:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fb1so1396761pad.39 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LTWFdLxZnDeGy99cAWKbS523Q+ClP1FK1MJYM8a16A0=; b=XI0IP69kz6UTOjCbJkP6uPU7irN1dVD7FAeiJhdzxevI79kBXb1btiS+f+54CLCdGD 4XEu76o8cyBgaHEmp3o9CVp61wyT+KV7ob+s2OYW4uU7b5iMnwRYHsqtxh8SeXXpwff0 g831ww6i2GX+a0vt4y1myWfV0C2Cm7RPDXcc9GkZX3dS/K4sKYVGb6a6oKsrJrVs9eFR HAIJpGaBbqBAICXRtxMVvMROvsE6swdZpMyAgQGmqeQQwvWmhM8Djt8AOl0c3/kIOCNd wLFjjaurMuECfb/uOXIjtIf4KZ6qjU4yH0mmgO4hdQIGi6PH/Cs1A6YmtnzsehUoSAFV JO6w== x8mr27694324pdl.107.1413897772356; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.24.65 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <23742067.1719794.1413897256179.JavaMail.root@vms170033> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:22:52 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: thenicholls@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Craig, Well....it's "new" to me :) Other responses I've received all agree with what you've stated. I'll stick with the Brad Penn oil and move onto the next task on the list. Thanks! Brad On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:14 AM, wrote: > Brad, I own a 72 TR6 myself. > > > On the link you provided, it states that the product is for "new > engines". Yours is not that! > > > I also converted from Castrol 20W-50 to Brad Penn myself several years ago > after sending oil samples to Blackstone Labs for analysis. It was the ZDDP > thing. > > > If it was me, I would do what you plan on with Brad Penn and forget about > the additive. > > > Enjoy, > Craig > > > On 10/21/14, Brad Kahler wrote: > > Listers, > > I'm in the process of replacing the thrust washers, rod and main bearings > on the 62,000 mile 72 TR6 that I recently purchased (preventitive > maintenance). After dropping the pan I've found what appears to be a > whitish/silverish substance coating most of the inside of the engine > block. The bottom of the oil pan after draining also seemed to have a > coating of the same substance. Rubbing the substance with my gloved > finger doesn't really come away with anything noticeable on the glove. > > At first I thought it might be from condensation since the car hasn't been > started for over 5 years but the more I thought about it I began to think > it might be some sort of additive. I contacted the seller and sure enough, > he informed me he had religiously changed oil every 2000 miles and always > used an additive called Bardahl. You can check it out via the following > link. > > http://www.bardahl.com/en/products/oil-additives/b-1-oil-supplement > > I've pulled the rear main bearing cap and the bearing looks brand new and > the crank journal looks like it has no miles on it. I remember years ago > my dad religiously used STP oil treatment on all of his vehicles and he > never had issues with the engines in his vehicles. > > I'm somewhat impressed with the looks of the bearings and journal. Anyone > else ever use Bardahl's additive? I'm not sure if I should continue using > it or not. I will be regularly changing oil using Brad Penn's 20w50 > semi-synthetic oil. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 07:22:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EE62584C38 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:22:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE6F2584B20 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hy10so430897vcb.1 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fE6Qq+pwQm5bfwMXKDbup/YqaO+GQQ3Imxwp5h3sZd8=; b=cM91myZzy6Y4hII2jk0+Hw9/F0dBkrx9RKPo6h0kk2psq4pEcOkMj4IET8qZv/zPXx NO4SnvuPL6hPJLDl0k/sZGo8SitDB4QcOF8SQ1KwhJzHnywDjX31uD++kDkIGan+7rCz liplGHRJZUNojt8hTYt3l/W1QPs3G624/wwlDpGSb4zeAhtj/4Yxuo/4Oa55gsvxcDGy J0xA+i1yXa+pl5c9u5LpsGwPhOXNW/hIKnmCkGek6Lv1Uri+jYOpEFsHe066u/zd50si qk4qZ1IrftzzXoIj0IBt4EliOKWc6uavSqmLtePK009hkjfg1Jtt5tJESYoLFUXt4F7j KCbQ== Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.53.0.169 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:24:00 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:24:00 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brad Kahler Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just my opinion but 62,000 miles with frequent oil changes is more likely the reason for the good conditions you are encountering. In addition, it is my understanding that main bearings do not wear nearly as much as big end bearings if everything is correct. Geo On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Listers, > > I'm in the process of replacing the thrust washers, rod and main bearings > on the 62,000 mile 72 TR6 that I recently purchased (preventitive > maintenance). After dropping the pan I've found what appears to be a > whitish/silverish substance coating most of the inside of the engine > block. The bottom of the oil pan after draining also seemed to have a > coating of the same substance. Rubbing the substance with my gloved > finger doesn't really come away with anything noticeable on the glove. > > At first I thought it might be from condensation since the car hasn't been > started for over 5 years but the more I thought about it I began to think > it might be some sort of additive. I contacted the seller and sure enough, > he informed me he had religiously changed oil every 2000 miles and always > used an additive called Bardahl. You can check it out via the following > link. > > http://www.bardahl.com/en/products/oil-additives/b-1-oil-supplement > > I've pulled the rear main bearing cap and the bearing looks brand new and > the crank journal looks like it has no miles on it. I remember years ago > my dad religiously used STP oil treatment on all of his vehicles and he > never had issues with the engines in his vehicles. > > I'm somewhat impressed with the looks of the bearings and journal. Anyone > else ever use Bardahl's additive? I'm not sure if I should continue using > it or not. I will be regularly changing oil using Brad Penn's 20w50 > semi-synthetic oil. > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 07:35:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E122584C14 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D24B258461D for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:34:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from host86-183-81-144.range86-183.btcentralplus.com ([86.183.81.144]:55486 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XgZdN-003fHp-NQ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:37:57 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'Brad Kahler'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:37:59 +0100 Thread-Index: AQEVsoQ5adks/OZgPSD4BS8R5WqJXZ2vAR0A Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad I think you'll get an endless variation of thoughts on this one. I've heard of Bardahl down the years, though never seen it on sale in the UK. My guess is it has helpful anti-wear additives in it that might well have been beneficial 30 or more years back when engine oils were not nearly as sophisticated as today. It seems to make similar claims to another product called Molyslip which had a high content of molybdenum disulphide. Moly was OK in engines but not anywhere where there were non-ferrous metals. But back in the day, I vaguely recall you used Bardahl / Molyslip / STP in an engine that had some wear. If put in a new engine that had hardly bedded down was counter-productive and actually inhibited the essential 'wearing out' process that's so vital in the first few thousand miles. When you get the car running again, I think I'd just use the oil you plan to adopt without an additive though I have no thoughts on the ZDDP aspects as it's not an issue for us on this side of the pond. Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 08:20:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260D42584C02 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:20:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D1025849FA for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:15:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id lj1so1510713pab.4 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LQAvSOJqq3PbH4y8PFptgeKwXQ7zbVgMOGzRJheTOwk=; b=KN/4gAKd6o2LEhdXXuU7mDi+f6nHfTXepfZcxbJh+Z+B+o4CIv8rzwPYPme+PwhA/I F2SX+aTy7o7CxgQREI2826BE4Efvd92osNIREC/ctYyNwJg2htC5VEcyARbvMSNvs255 xegcRlnUjvYYwZDkipmoRlpG0KsLyP5pnxlRNxo9nTxDDPEMhT/gdESXJmyFG5kFLUte Zj0CuccEckgM1Z6RMTuG8klfoGq1VnRgJh9DK4Wuc9q3TkVOA8Ynx/51x/qo2pllCclM GdNVu4F2pOKVD7sHi2JJKXyc+n4dK+472Ufq1H1EYoorreq3mj8NTyawuWCYhq/36Egk 08Mg== kj10mr3044734pbc.161.1413901138186; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.24.65 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 07:18:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <009e01cfed34$3b1b2230$b1516690$@ukpips.org.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:18:58 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: John Macartney Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Bardahl oil additive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonmac, your comments basically match what I am thinking. I'm going to change the bearings and thrust washers and move on to the next item on my hit list :) Brad On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:37 AM, John Macartney < john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk> wrote: > Brad > > I think you'll get an endless variation of thoughts on this one. I've heard > of Bardahl down the years, though never seen it on sale in the UK. My guess > is it has helpful anti-wear additives in it that might well have been > beneficial 30 or more years back when engine oils were not nearly as > sophisticated as today. It seems to make similar claims to another product > called Molyslip which had a high content of molybdenum disulphide. Moly was > OK in engines but not anywhere where there were non-ferrous metals. But > back > in the day, I vaguely recall you used Bardahl / Molyslip / STP in an engine > that had some wear. If put in a new engine that had hardly bedded down was > counter-productive and actually inhibited the essential 'wearing out' > process that's so vital in the first few thousand miles. When you get the > car running again, I think I'd just use the oil you plan to adopt without > an > additive though I have no thoughts on the ZDDP aspects as it's not an issue > for us on this side of the pond. > > Jonmac > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 12:38:13 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D352584F9C for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:38:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE07258068A for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([50.59.71.170]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5uac1p00U3gRu8q01uadzu; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:34:37 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:29:56 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 windshield swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net late 57 small mouth Ibm about to swap out the windshield; the old one is delaminating. any guides/directions or hints? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 13:08:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD41258496C for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD32825803FC for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.11.243]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 5umE1p00L5Edw8e01umQ5s; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:46:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'dave n'" , References: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:46:17 -0400 Thread-Index: AQELeZRsLeTARIx1bgi4PWRr+wkoBJ3DytwA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 windshield swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The webbing supplied by the usual sources is thicker than the original and there is no way I or a local auto glass shop could get the new glass in place. We tried gluing the webbing to the glass and using plenty of soap, but here was no way. Ended up using a caulk adhesive to secure the new glass. Andrew Uprichard been there, done that -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave n Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 2:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 windshield swap late 57 small mouth Ibm about to swap out the windshield; the old one is delaminating. any guides/directions or hints? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 13:08:35 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FA7258068A for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DFA258068A for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:57:53 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1413918070; bh=l33ItbL726Bm3CvI1z7nMppn+UY56nzNsjBGPyf2+qs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=WGqI5Jvu1DeG1BqGv4+p9ay36JftttyMBjIMs+Hw9EUH2aPG1j5dcaq8/humZ46P/LA2T7NfiwivwQS/6Akd88cpgc3VpUpEQKLd8zSo5qMb4LyLu/pP2XqAP06Ztl3Xp3o7avEdrYF/ITn6leCiHrKHs2I5u4wBoG+pvtcKKbAxTv9SqPc735o/Y3X6jJJX/8nbhnNtsq7kvuTEer1HXgNP9B6A9ltIUFz1iLKHmYfK4PW4zKpnBFRVsOnF7N4gBZ+0Q6EGflDa/tWGrMhmFZ2uwc9TfyPXzm6w2rNu4RhGn4eymESiwwClfjN11zGdfsj9XhSCeS8hUleG0TGwdw== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=HbT+lZ+35F1vqd2N2J1DeUW4hCvfYCyRbKl5g+GRHrSHxNxsZK8NuqN96eOQb9OfeMCGszHShCIgoyZEjP9v8s0d0w9beme6O7PSLuU5Gv+S29eGabF2u855L6pDeZ4JOhwiLkwsAcbvjX7EQpv3yAHb6OOZw+U7cYPKH8u9dgDg0CBeZY95PVwABwh0+bCHE677CWlLEg5FRnyh0QuC0O/3u+Iwy0MIY6UdV/8pY/T0HNHoUqDsxb9Eo6Y8OPD6tdDSMTvfiDpj+JLCoAgdJNcq6liDfuCZnrsea3ZrFEcyDhZ/cj30CdrGvyQOJI7EF+Cxj8gW6Jppg7y0jDw5Hg==; Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2014 19:01:10 -0000 Received: from [98.138.88.236] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2014 19:01:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Oct 2014 19:01:10 -0000 .fMXmwPhiC4mWv0EWb6927c1ud0WBUScsMFZlhBMc2fhTh2tqIH1_seDpXvlBZd4TBBYwXDuLFKx W2QRt86AWMA9YpvcPAyeKx49TtgfBi1HFXvX3WlwZ7KEBSWd7W_nsaG9SNod8_eeR868oJQKS71z 0eIKdkBelnCuTWNCk0udJemcS68dAPtDMWzOOABX7arohjSSd34m0aN2.kY4bcj.rZ02AzByb5S0 .kyx6hW5hj8BmGh0DGeU30JBYksYwm4lAjwLVSIh0zLHcQ3e4FJu8Y7_IxdD1ARTJwj4lcXd2P1f ZaHYSiMvZULDNpBckddUs1wB70Iaz0EEyyFdpXiii4lzl9tMAbmIsE7A9v0fpSCJTRE5j3T_XSvZ mmg7HTrh9zdjp1Mzgr04fYScWAwH_dqjHlCVeYRQ583ijYnHXZz7C2OUsmuYEcVkkTN8pTA8HVHA 8IhytLtRj8GfM7DpMIvYovyIzduIl9oDbh_0Gg9N8y4fUmvU67hwqDREaa31C Received: by 98.138.105.215; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:01:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:00:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: dave n , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 windshield swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The 3 suppliers have taken to selling you flat neoprenesheet to use as a gasket. Like most on the list I could not get the darn stuffto work. And I work in the glazing industry for 43 years. Even 3 guys tryingcould not get it to work. B So what I did was to wet seal the windshield into place. I first cut strips of electrical tape B>b long. I then wrapped them around the edge of the glass. B wrote: late 57 small mouth Ibm about to swap out the windshield; the old one is delaminating. any guides/directions or hints? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 21 13:23:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2252584B51 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81B6258068A for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:19:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.143]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 27FBD700362D0; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.9]) by mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id B6F9838000091; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) References: To: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-m261.sysops.aol.com (64.12.145.231) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:22:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:22:16 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1413919337; bh=n3YP4Q/iRLRfzgQwVUp+3pPECoVTDxbt/okzZNMF+SM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=o3XSWzjqsORluH5KUlOawQDKQxj1tu43Yjk8/KHtnnwh4RL8UusliRDyHdm32abef q4gQSxlpsaVsdJmao4zIHTECV/LJmLUZPUnmlODsI6c/mEyVsOSaYW1vzAkzErmZeZ KoPIvJG+XDdnRTaIpQoxvgw9JR4ML6/BJaanrzMo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8f5446b26855b2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 windshield swap Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I took my windshield to a local glass shop and they installed the windshield in the frame for me and charged me only $50. Well worth it considering risk involved. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave n To: triumphs Sent: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 1:59 pm Subject: [TR] TR3 windshield swap late 57 small mouth Ibm about to swap out the windshield; the old one is delaminating. any guides/directions or hints? thanks ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 22 09:01:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D09E2580A6D for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:01:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBE2258081A for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:41:28 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1413989085; bh=TRMYQ0e6sa9VzMetPRM3CiU5NZmE7xOpoO78i+FVJIk=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=RlI6YvaFF8jswBK/2XAEJ1st4GG9FluM9msc9EqtoE4R7dkvw6BrGKoXVLieATtSB2Xp6EHC7fFtQLUNRaopgschbKzacHAVmsiCZhmAZ2xt0E/aRrdk1PQWtErpwz5hyb/jaSHjSprjM1lUz39/JN7QvMRmvhmtz2B8BXrfKng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=NdqlCMy2T1S4qaZp9dEwYAnzqMY8kFs0g0XpX6uJUkEH/aLMh/pPU+ppLH41kiZqgXPPpkic7zESwHx8n8qiv2ElM4f4fWiJOpPHAU+zbIh7HreL9+lVb7rZBwVQOey/3+nCgc9PTJlCMn6Q9eXLNgtUhalgWMKDIgzZZ3mravI=; Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2014 14:44:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2014 14:44:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2014 14:44:45 -0000 s=s1024; t=1413989085; bh=TRMYQ0e6sa9VzMetPRM3CiU5NZmE7xOpoO78i+FVJIk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=g4kmpMACRB1XyOBU7/kM75YPxy0t79SYvcIKa0q9ChWgq7ELs59/2fyxQVq8ybXkXFWuqYJGs3ztguf9eKknrG1sb/HFYDw+pvJLqwKNNISs71Do3X/pVJuYaCm5o6nsJoVpsYMC2kPJF4Rr8A1C5Msteh7wM4ekOVO0d3X8Cbc= HsQcYbkYMESy.4O5AmeQ_gpO52qSIsZ7ib9h46VuJyIufON6sgpZgbcl11eP el0l2sgBUi9wfF16FRJr_corRqhwr0Tl.Y6hcUEz7ksAzV9j.lXKigh0i4Zy JOOn1F4dQ5WLP_j9lGUl7P16B0XPvo62x5IdQW3ho0aqBRE3s_1FuSxSWVrF nS436mR.Lhu62MGL7HjVsdpaJA93HzLZi66McE.jwefuz_PfMwHQxYuCared J0_xAtsiigdyP4PCYqHLMe_.iyJY1oBIWjfjo.vjduTD85725ZuKdIht92ZH ZXYzAQGbTYRVZ0hdZFqX3mVw6y7vNIfvfN26rcYZ1IhduIxKM0Vq_BUDlAQH rifFIP6u4wlMFU8jTjoVyEUJsLBPUVEbpIf5YhFIB0k7PHdC_s090fSc2gEi wHOGJGn5s39vjiw2EOe16j566S1sO43VQ7Nd8.sRnQdq71zrezxOt.adPOHg SPSsdvNMYluR90fqfP5EBK.64DWWCMDZdgTWZrLBSSoOjOJg- From: To: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:44:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac/uBrV+rGm05nvfRF6dMsPTkDkgiA== Subject: [TR] Friend seeking a TR3A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have recently come into contact with a gentleman in Europe who is looking for a fairly sound TR3A driver. He is able to do much of his work by himself but wants to handle it over the long term as a rolling restoration. If you have or are aware of any I would be happy to pass along his off-line contact info to you. NFI, and thank you, Bill ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 23 00:03:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1352584715 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 00:03:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371BA25845B0 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2014 23:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 6Vhb1p0032Ka2Q501VhbA7; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:41:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.8] ([98.255.164.156]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 6Vha1p0033NmwNy01Vhb3A; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:41:35 +0000 From: William Pugh Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:41:33 -0700 To: TR3/6 s=q20140121; t=1414042895; bh=j7/OZaQo6lVPdyUMJYGoMTq29vNMruR8vS4iQUR3w5E=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=QhK5GRNKb1UQmLt68zK7DzMpCjLo0xBkcfOYXLlm4WykhHPV2Bx2xi7Z4NHnNLHtK SAdOkZbACUeKDnbcCZGyMBs3SkzhP5zGltxQLAya10bYlLovsUAvKH1XcRz5V/Ec2m yohY7skYmlnespLeFPm8aoukYG4+eGdXI0hbHO77ENqo9B/jRPaKkzqFkqOTliRbjx Y8K/o6w8NZ4s7/3dWP4WqbdsnW+Zs6AUtJXvTuka8+j0Fx1plBUTs8OJf6Zr51RVkL Et39HRUzegl7AYbp2xyiKtYmsKTe2l8xxuqTP3zNhFlUSThL6AS6gsOBHEvr4Lh2rW bX+z2K7/6/DhQ== Subject: [TR] Hypothetical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If the Triumph Community had access to parts that were NOS and or Better, just what parts would it want? This is a serious question, and is not an infringement on Moss, Roadster Factory or anyone else. It will remain Hypothetical until we understand the needs. Thanks for your time. "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 23 03:34:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0122584765 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 03:34:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76B258460F for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 03:05:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [94.1.248.186] (port=49658 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XhEO9-003NAz-Jx; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:08:57 +0100 From: "John Macartney" To: "'William Pugh'" , "'TR3/6'" References: <3207CCB4-74C2-4C7D-A649-C2110D510F07@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:09:01 +0100 Thread-Index: AQKthGiKccU4oUaNc3ZEq1nrGD7v3JqCL/mQ Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] Hypothetical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Depends which market and product range you're addressing. If it's simply North America, then Spitfire, GT6 and TR. But, given the fact that two seaters only accounted for about 20% of total company output, there is just as wide a following throughout the rest of the world for the non-sports car Triumphs and there are thousands of those in superb condition. Additionally, NOS and high quality parts are still widely available (though many are not cheap) but the moan from enthusiasts down the years is for a complete range of body parts - and not just the outer panels. Anyone want to fund the press tools required? Jonmac --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 23 07:21:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D12525848A1 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:21:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664FF258457E for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 07:01:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [70.121.224.41] ([70.121.224.41:58337] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 22/74-22454-50DF8445; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:05:10 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "'TR3/6'" References: <3207CCB4-74C2-4C7D-A649-C2110D510F07@comcast.net> <002901cfeea0$fca58e00$f5f0aa00$@ukpips.org.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Hypothetical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Although many who have gone through frustrating restorations may feel differently, I am going to assume that it would not be realistic to say "everything" so I am going to say high quality critical mechanical parts. Here is why, if a fender or floor panel doesn't fit I can massage and work it to remedy the situation, if a bearing or camshaft or waterpump is out of spec or made of poor quality materials, and I don't have quality alternatives I can't fix that, I am stuck using the inferior part. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Macartney" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:09 AM To: "'William Pugh'" ; "'TR3/6'" Subject: Re: [TR] Hypothetical > Depends which market and product range you're addressing. If it's simply > North America, then Spitfire, GT6 and TR. But, given the fact that two > seaters only accounted for about 20% of total company output, there is > just > as wide a following throughout the rest of the world for the non-sports > car > Triumphs and there are thousands of those in superb condition. > Additionally, > NOS and high quality parts are still widely available (though many are not > cheap) but the moan from enthusiasts down the years is for a complete > range > of body parts - and not just the outer panels. Anyone want to fund the > press > tools required? > > Jonmac > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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This is a serious question, and is not an infringement on Moss, Roadster Factory or anyone else. It will remain Hypothetical until we understand the needs. Thanks for your time. "Life is too short to drive boring cars" Bill Pugh 1957 TR3 "Casper"p; TS16765L Wallace, CA anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 23 13:26:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB4258454E for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D591925804CB for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id hs14so1438819lab.3 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jMytQknq9z/vzy4HdvRRY/bCxDyBW1a+p5P+ZwD9ofg=; b=Ri+D0jmd5T095Lufq3ONDltm/TAB8pmE6GAkvGJ2eERxt+CZ6Ksf9kQRoD7eaoHgZT DBFqX5+Dzdsli3/qG5l9/v/34PJbIwcvX6NQBDbPdRB1EyZgmLESWa71urlRgHHl3P58 GIydGTrZkW15EzmZgRQKjf34+oW+rFbvztooTKD65VKJhJwzY+HytBjVEp7PflRNKVYJ h5NfkCLNh3Ye4884XVz6VJ9c9o9y/fdS1G6ueNUpqgkIG4Qg6iypkADhHaRbz841au9L fWqZxOUasz+y6EVdG9Sjpr17fuCce8VEi7xcjvyVo9EkGTa/CeT+G1eXsRpDaDVQNWOi xmNw== Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.201.198 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:38 -0700 From: Brian Induni To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hypothetical Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I like where your head is Bill. Just so we're clear, when you say NOS, you are talking about New Old Stock and not re-creating new parts, correct? Although I believe there are a good number of people in the US who are attempting to collect dead or nearly dead classic cars to create an original part supply, I haven't seen much effort around NOS. And I'll echo the thoughts already spoken here - we need ALL good quality parts at a reasonable price! I've been restoring classic cars for 40 years and it's been a roller coaster of quality and prices. Body panels are the first on MY list. I have yet to get a decent panel that is even close to fitting without MAJOR massaging. Of course, there are only a couple of manufacturers of these panels, so we're kinda stuck. Mechanical components are a real hit or miss. Quality control from the major suppliers seems to the biggest issue. Latest example: I've bought early MGB water pumps from different suppliers, all claiming to be correct, and they were not even close to being similar to each other. Fortunately, I'm extremely mechanically inclined, have access to CAD, 3D printing, and a machine shop, so I can modify or make just about anything. But when I buy a new slave cylinder for an early MGB (latest project = top of mind issues) and it doesn't have the support pads on it, it's frustrating. That cylinder is NFG as it will crack with use, so I have to modify it. I'm more inclined to re-create or restore a part than buy new because of the aforementioned quality issue. I'll buy NOS to save some time, but rarely to save money. Parts I've bought directly from the UK for the Stag seem to have a little better quality control, except for rubber components like seals. Parts I've bought for the Stag from a US supplier were crap. Again, a little quality control goes a long way! Long winded (as usual) to say: I'd be interested in various common restoration parts but not maintenance parts. I'd be interested in original interior patterns to take to my upholsterer. Hope that helps! Brian > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:41:33 -0700 > From: William Pugh > To: TR3/6 > Subject: [TR] Hypothetical > Message-ID: <3207CCB4-74C2-4C7D-A649-C2110D510F07@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If the Triumph Community had access to parts that were NOS and or Better, > just > what parts would it want? > This is a serious question, and is not an infringement on Moss, Roadster > Factory or anyone else. > It will remain Hypothetical until we understand the needs. > > Thanks for your time. > "Life is too short to drive boring cars" > > Bill Pugh > 1957 TR3 "Casper"p ; > TS16765L > Wallace, CA > anabil007@comcast.netp ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 24 07:38:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8412584962 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:38:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B85258083A for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 06:55:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141024125847.FFCJ31158.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Received: from [29.16.148.178] ([66.87.3.178]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id 70yl1p00Z3qSgwa010ymSL; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:58:47 -0400 a=Fmgm82x5MshSMcoxkvFfIw==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=UUBEeVHlk6sGmYm5WDoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ADhg0b2l4A4A:10 a=8GM16wK6K6IA:10 a=BKD7bZr_Av4A:10 a=jiYfo7vpHQzUu9K_:21 a=BR1ihDZLqYpigJ10:21 a=Fmgm82x5MshSMcoxkvFfIw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: ronnie babbitt Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:58:42 -0400 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] HS6 UK version Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Is the a difference in the HS6 UK vs USA. Need to rebuild a set of UK spec HS6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 24 08:40:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D26B2584A56 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:40:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC3S15.hotmail.com (bay004-omc3s15.hotmail.com [65.54.190.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663A9258456A for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2014 08:03:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY182-W94 ([65.54.190.188]) by BAY004-OMC3S15.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:06:25 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: ronnie babbitt , Triumph List Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:06:25 -0500 References: FILETIME=[B2FEAEA0:01CFEF93] Subject: Re: [TR] HS6 UK version Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ronnie- Don't think so, if anything it would be a needle difference. Randall Young kindly provided a factory manual supplement which covers TR4A emissions and carb setup, here is a convenient link: http://tr4a.weebly.com/uploads/2/1/9/8/21980360/workshop_manual_supplement_-_ spit_mk3__tr4a.pdf It lists the needle as QW, standard kits nowadays use a TW needle, I don't have charts handy to check if they are one in the same. Randy > Is the a difference in the HS6 UK vs USA. Need to rebuild a set of UK spec > HS6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 15:44:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821712585117 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S17.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s17.hotmail.com [65.55.34.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702B72580313 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 15:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS5 ([65.55.34.8]) by COL004-OMC1S17.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:23:29 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:23:37 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 14:23:37 -0700 FILETIME=[EBA5FC20:01CFF099] Subject: [TR] What's that noise? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, I have an odd, to me, sound that I am hoping someone has heard and can tell me about. First, think about a piece of aluminum or plastic, like a coke can or plastic water bottle already flattened. The sound it makes when you run over it - that's sort of like it. Happens once in a while, within about 10 yards of starting off in first. Sometimes followed by a sound more like the actual crushing of the can. It happens once only, does not continue and not every time, just once in a while. More rarely I can feel a slight bump, happens so rarely not sure if I am feeling it in my hand through the gear shift lever or in the seat of my pants. At first I thought the differential mounts had cracked, but they seem to look OK as do the front suspension mounts. I cannot make it happen at will. If I swerve the car side to side at any speed - no sound all seems well. If I get on and off the gas hard in first at very slow speed - no sound. On and off in any other gear, no sound. Can happen when I go slow over a bump into the driveway or as I am driving away from the gas pump. The car drives and shifts fine. I have shaken the car on the ground, jacked up each corner and shaken and rubber hammered various components - nothing. Whatcha think? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver - stock, non-OD transmission ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 18:15:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C202584964 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm21-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBF225807BA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:56:36 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1414281596; bh=ybw7/TUIJ3DWy+MTsCqzJChaxwCBt0J/bgGGD5UAPZA=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=eHMhLX8ITmoFQYzlux6zaoKccWdS7EvP8IKsSzn/4EX5RUrw4PF4/zElLaf+yqyqZPMRMdniWVJMaATs9LXfg/lSXhTf5HdoQvYMKTRQZQU6dMVZcGMWnSFsa6WEQyXDMCKEaEZJXnrdNeX71EzjP+531VT6m4BAcMwEutKETkk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=up25nC1H9FCKXGQLf1rtci3U2BuQqnjv9DSBY/ecQyG85k/+PYEnfD8WhRV0pH5VjltpHXaH3ikYWSv81XXFCuTv/joCLpbqZ9Fo7o4PGym9bNxhfVaddTyRzqSKXWWn9zPCQU4jgCpQjN1rxwzkPqDFg48ssvMQpdvgNbI8rYs=; Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm21.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2014 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.203] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2014 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2014 23:59:56 -0000 _liTHGorFKXZINz4yR0vSeYg_UWZesF30nozIjTFcgWTJ3qebcsEasdk9jsk 3EgZu1nWwhu7E7v3hRjUkxBhHUj5wxIBOmuEGhB5AczyWAcoeF1xd2c1srFQ yEXV_.2rAUjvRKbUO0ujlqBoJeWDvLe4QnPJoV7hWrfrdoVnRzWOQ4llHEn2 8BgHtuG_CpA7XmFjY831dIhlpvDkVnzNVKQxAZ7InpiEqfayeEv7bShKYCbx tO5L3Z.21e.oaw2M0RYrbaKMB.DA5j9OGye00_yklU20rySxS71jrNd0tclH 0E.urm1dm8_mt_Oapagtly8qR.C8OJAnScmDbD9B0jcTr38dPRjHhYC2WSjn xwpyKdpeM.TTSWo.Jsox5y4TY.QIwUWMFV22UIa6iYS.U06f97kiodCQnhZd GmJBAOBv0LgeShYwaQ8ffugO.GRJZqIc3LeixTq6UAjPf10RwkIyJeBf_eDF dUUgi4l8dr_IBdQBCeKOVYl8llHOESLa2krZsFQ2PNGxk25HgGyMwlPJxdOL 6rsFgzNXK2Fu3Lo1.3zOJlHCV1Rnx97WXEhw- From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:59:54 -0500 References: To: Peter Arakelian Cc: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] What's that noise? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, Have you pulled the rear wheels and looked inside the brake drums? Or, a loose disc pad? Just thinking, Bill B '62 TR3B Sent from mobile Bill On Oct 25, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: OK, I have an odd, to me, sound that I am hoping someone has heard and can tell me about. First, think about a piece of aluminum or plastic, like a coke can or plastic water bottle already flattened. The sound it makes when you run over it - that's sort of like it. Happens once in a while, within about 10 yards of starting off in first. Sometimes followed by a sound more like the actual crushing of the can. It happens once only, does not continue and not every time, just once in a while. More rarely I can feel a slight bump, happens so rarely not sure if I am feeling it in my hand through the gear shift lever or in the seat of my pants. At first I thought the differential mounts had cracked, but they seem to look OK as do the front suspension mounts. I cannot make it happen at will. If I swerve the car side to side at any speed - no sound all seems well. If I get on and off the gas hard in first at very slow speed - no sound. On and off in any other gear, no sound. Can happen when I go slow over a bump into the driveway or as I am driving away from the gas pump. The car drives and shifts fine. I have shaken the car on the ground, jacked up each corner and shaken and rubber hammered various components - nothing. Whatcha think? Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver - stock, non-OD transmission ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Oct 25 18:30:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D3B2584967 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.162]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF88225807BA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:00:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.228]) by resqmta-po-03v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 7c4J1p0064vw8ds01c4JtK; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:04:18 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by resomta-po-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 7c4G1p00Q5DXkUJ01c4JpX; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:04:18 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 00:04:13 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Peter Arakelian References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: What's that noise? Thread-Index: zb1z0C/4aZ9YvVBFAZqoSnCAysGwLw== s=q20140121; t=1414281858; bh=T95YuXlbvm8e0cqU4HFBwnNX1DC6xUvi5tYZn3M2Cj8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=B8ON0t9FU3q1CI1HYKZ9iaWlETDCIx2GPR6i3Tk/2GhJ4UUSgJsW+i/piV+98vqdo j5D3YRLXrELf4LxJ+bft+KkcICSwzW6/3jw448yQxBgcs0HkZmnM5BCHvqF7Nge3if mbKNNgqZwWIgueyPRGJxc7iNfh6vWlQcEtu/bLnnKVSgS7E801cWs0Dg+fQrJZTuvj MV6f9RH1xwof6tUQk/w0Slpr4DbLU6nysKyQ5VuSGKzYUN86zzJP1yHptYSnfPgvTk NV7TFLh/zhmgbq4FZNWNZcHoc03PqjwCu13HyrJsfgXxA7cKE4Gv4KTnoXdNn23QvI 0kGukccIy9G6A== Cc: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] What's that noise? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >First, think about a piece of aluminum or plastic, like a coke can or plastic >water bottle already flattened. The sound it makes when you run over it - >that's sort of like it. Happens once in a while, within about 10 yards of >starting off in first. Sometimes followed by a sound more like the actual >crushing of the can. I have absolutely no idea. But it does sound like it's in the running gear. You've checked the driveline. Tranny shifts normal. I'm wondering if there's something in the brake system that seizes occasionally when you stop the car, and moving unlocks it making that sound? ...Or something inside the axle shaft? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 26 12:17:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D41A258469D for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEA125845FE for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 7txp1p00G4oFfFQ01txpEC; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 10:57:50 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 12:56:39 -0500 Subject: [TR] Weber? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Recently a friend and I put a set of Webers in a car. We were missing a couple of small miscellaneous parts, so I went to the hardware store to see if I could finish putting it together. Talking to a young fellow, I was trying to describe the fitting I needed. He asked me what it was for. I said bWeber Carburettor.b His response: bOh. Like a Weber grill?b ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Oct 26 14:15:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEA425844BA for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:15:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00E12580782 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE1E2C03F8 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:53:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 13:53:03 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Weber? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Too bad you don't live near me. You could have come over and gone through the boxes of Weber bits I have ( anyone need a brand new 40DCOE? ) while some burgers were cooking on my Weber. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 16:15:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA4D2585108 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:15:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5259D258080B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:56:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([98.117.90.163]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NE400BX8IEYTQB0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:59:23 -0500 (CDT) a=AR1dG/TeJCF0fX33BA8WKQ==:117 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=4c_7D9Jo5iNAZnyRqaAA:9 a=-jkuenrcWCrOHn_V:21 a=rArLT-OTje55kARD:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=3qgfu5yAvHgA:10 a=yuwX2U8nG-8A:10 a=8O0owZuU3wQA:10 From: Dean Tetterton Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:59:22 -0400 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, there is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is this the number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? If this is so the number would indicate the ratio that the car was built with. If the TR6 in the US is 1120 it would be for a 3.7. Anybody know what a UK TR6 with a 3.45 have or a TR6 with a 4.1? Thanks, Dean T. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 16:45:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE732585299 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:45:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB8A258080B for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:21:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ij19so839585vcb.10 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gkgGdqYy8EZMlEuHymv6ukN9Om78bqO+hPBoEI+G6Dk=; b=d9pSqNfqzeI+13pT1ItZLLbGCSuaunQu1qKdHS5ywCngrWG538rCui8Oma8bSDxqhc gxgWlzsEH3y+owlgZRHJqS/dAcrnNqSu2Jj5oVpWq8zBoZORoKBDeHrJmGAWvr9HsmSn fnHNOdxnn7P4Tl8WHl8wcE54/jUs3ZyAAaJXUXS3i05S32EOl8ATJUiczseorhyjF40e moS+MXgG+1yA843FQUYdmdaOc0rUXoGaE+tM1X9FcBb9IU1InujNNlXpcr2EJUE48n4P 8bKa9EOnhugu8ZDTWpmZOjazauFbtJNP9GFa3508FCFyWlv4omx25nE8Y2AWFPQeZkbx 8OHw== ef7mr15511665vdb.4.1414448718745; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.16.15 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:25:18 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dean Tetterton Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dean Tetterton wrote: > On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, there > is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is this the > number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? Yes. As for the number that goes with the other rear ends -- 'do the math' as they say. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 18:02:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F3025852C5 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com (mail-la0-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C70C2580458 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id gq15so413403lab.7 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:43:27 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=BGOpRh0rGedG95zs+lJ0ffj/wSPYH2kDkoT0l+pkfns=; b=g+yWsIlROYfuvQJ9h85MW/cGv3NG94IPF3bY4uCuVzDNvoX49CLzLArFWVQMhDyvVN gXD6rTMqKNq3ZpgluaIW2uGViTaq9Hl2inVtcJUiSiIjkFrQcV9mItyft2ATFdlboHp+ IctT1K5PPMSnYLvtFMbTNA+PYHzfFv9amZp/RrbtDV1bMOASCUdTHCJGIK8Iaa0LflLo w0jLqsfZ5cnewI0clIaANgurfmMY+WpTwNatWdG9P/mwOS3WlTabyL71PYs3vyt0eDyy 956b4zdXANvRWMfP0ylhq24tL8MZEcL7L5VjkKu5WmiuHjjuqEACxalj3tC1rgYXWYca Jrsw== k2mr26994968lbp.63.1414453407218; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.17 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 16:43:27 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:43:27 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Peter Arakelian Cc: Listers Subject: Re: [TR] What's that noise? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > First, think about a piece of aluminum or plastic, like a coke can or > plastic > water bottle already flattened. The sound it makes when you run over it - > that's sort of like it. Happens once in a while, within about 10 yards of > starting off in first. > Almost certainly a universal joint... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 18:17:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3995A25853B2 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 18:17:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D910D2580458 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:57:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.77]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D4405703C1BA1; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (236.sub-70-193-22.myvzw.com [70.193.22.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mca01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 578E538000096; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:00:57 -0400 (EDT) References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> From: Jack Mc Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:00:54 -0400 To: Dean Tetterton x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1414454457; bh=nsWXsptPDeM04BzvpTITLJVb6649W77qzy9HJ3o9l/k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UVHr0C3Qu5EokCJlD8CTrpeHxVF5/I+hFRZ9JkOicQTACuLDnM80l/rG+C2gpMN1I MIZsB+rAbR/QUluTJ9PNP2Ao1rg6XCy4efr7FqX7e3eQyNlwBHKoUl6fgBV9N+PKfR nY8GGtLDmA9V30T/rIWcUdehL1zlwWMS8T2InGak= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add4d544edcb93836 Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On Oct 27, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Dean Tetterton wrote: > > Anybody know what a UK TR6 with a 3.45 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 21:17:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6F22585915 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:17:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75A82580978 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:5600] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 34/AE-11413-9950F445; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:55:22 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumph List'" References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:55:08 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/yODZKussWwUUoRJ6lA+RWQT7yxgAIHzzA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm. So how many turns/mile numbers were installed in TR's (including Spits, Stags and others)? 1120 and 1184 come to mind, but I don't know of which numbers were applied to which model. Is there a chart somewhere? Maybe Geo can "do the math" :) Johnnie '67 TR4A (going with me to work tomorrow) > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dean Tetterton wrote: > > > On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, > > there is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is > > this the number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? > > > > Yes. As for the number that goes with the other rear ends -- 'do the math' > as they say. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Oct 27 21:49:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6BB25859B2 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:49:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C3E25857BA for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([173.59.227.86]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NE4004H9XFRUW80@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT) a=Q5LpmvqqKKToKYF3dbIN7Q==:117 a=u9EReRu7m0cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=czq4-BAGAAAA:8 a=LyVkltLS6ceZZ8qJcr4A:9 a=jf6ve84B-Sq9gHKr:21 a=TwcY_M25bOXBKa8a:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:23:43 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: John & Pat Donnelly , 'Triumph List' References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> <005901cff25a$96051e50$c20f5af0$@rr.com> Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ..should be right on the face of your speedo under the odo tenth. spits were 980 for the 3.27 diff, 1120, 1152, 1184 were the od/ non-o/d 3.89 diff in the Spit anyway. ptegler On 10/27/2014 10:55 PM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > Hmm. So how many turns/mile numbers were installed in TR's (including Spits, > Stags and others)? 1120 and 1184 come to mind, but I don't know of which > numbers were applied to which model. Is there a chart somewhere? Maybe Geo > can "do the math" :) > Johnnie > '67 TR4A (going with me to work tomorrow) > > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Dean Tetterton > wrote: >>> On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, >>> there is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is >>> this the number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? >> >> >> Yes. As for the number that goes with the other rear ends -- 'do the > math' >> as they say. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net > -- Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 01:19:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13C7258564C for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 01:19:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com (unknown [195.8.197.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADB12580B48 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [2.217.112.15] (port=52473 helo=JohnPC) by storm.ukwebsolutionsdirect.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Xj0np-000C4B-Oc; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:02:49 +0000 From: "John Macartney" To: "'Dean Tetterton'" , "'Triumph List'" References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:02:59 -0000 Thread-Index: AQHxFnIntmLqGBkH6L6E87ZQhHs+AZwCykEw Content-Language: en-gb with any abuse report authenticated_id: john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't think the TR6 in injected or carb form ever had a 4:1 final drive (or any other oddball ratio) unless the diff and its housing came off a Triumph 2000 saloon which had this ratio in O/D and non O/D configs. Lower than normal final drive ratios often appeared on cars for export markets of developing countries - e.g. a number of African territories, Israel, Turkey, Malta and Singapore. There is yet another speedo number (though I can't remember what it was) and this was fitted to cars with Michelin tyres as a line fit. This tyre make had a slightly different rolling radius to the Goodyear G800 of the day which was sufficiently 'different' to fit an alternative clock. They standard fit for all the sidescreen TR's, the 4/4A, TR250 and TR6 carb up to and including 1971. It might have gone on to later model years but by that time I was working in other parts of British Leyland and lost touch with Triumph specs. Jonmac -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Tetterton Sent: 27 October 2014 21:59 To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] TR Speedometer On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, there is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is this the number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? If this is so the number would indicate the ratio that the car was built with. If the TR6 in the US is 1120 it would be for a 3.7. Anybody know what a UK TR6 with a 3.45 have or a TR6 with a 4.1? Thanks, Dean T. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney@ukpips.org.uk ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8461 - Release Date: 10/27/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8461 - Release Date: 10/27/14 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 04:48:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CB62585677 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A4F2580821 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 04:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com [172.26.127.227]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 388FC703498A7; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moc003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.195.10]) by mtaomg-aad01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DD77238000081; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:28:04 -0400 (EDT) References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> To: tr3a58@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 24.178.245.124 by webmail-vd002.sysops.aol.com (205.188.20.35) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:28:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 06:28:04 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1414492085; bh=dnw6JgkSumr3m4Bue32utXAW6FxPgu5lOQHlmDIdt1k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=fnDgmZE8KMqxs9Wq1eIdj9XwYqhukQ+sKzVq30v96kMTOmtL11k6zObW34LkI1Dua 6SJ93zsKCYwc60JXdUsOIz8QMSvzx9nMiGSRz/MDpLnGyzA/l9mowofZR4Ehc3gLgw Wv8d/uZs4cZDcPWar2S7fJJs3Mfj9UgNWpgACn1o= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a7fe3544f6fb40f4b Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As Geo says: do the math. for 3.45: (1120/3.7)*3.45 = 1044 for 4.1: (1120/3.7)*4.1 = 1241 But this all assumes you run the right size tires. Also, didn't they switch to industry standard 1000 turns per mile during the TR6 run? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Dean Tetterton To: Triumph List Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 5:19 pm Subject: [TR] TR Speedometer On the face of the TR speedometer's under the miles numbers, there is a small number printed. On the TR6 it is usually 1120. Is this the number of revolutions per mile the cable makes? If this is so the number would indicate the ratio that the car was built with. If the TR6 in the US is 1120 it would be for a 3.7. Anybody know what a UK TR6 with a 3.45 have or a TR6 with a 4.1? Thanks, Dean T. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 10:48:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E292584E48 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:48:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f51.google.com (mail-la0-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CC225845FA for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id q1so976482lam.10 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:36:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=yP8ipQqANRsOUnnwYTKdweZ5HBt1hVC/QexNfoAzySg=; b=G3RvjHJCckh/fbFCZd0/exKrA2PLffQBLE8AS/WLr5Ss0ZvvfZN80Lpz3/2F7aiCSq Pk3iDAsjBIJz6LJ+arUox2/A6WNN54J3XiRwrtVA0x+Ve6P0VAjmO+MsE37yTGYhGPDY B6ncan7ovDOfcMNSH3v3fo15A3gk07Coq1aXIn2kwbBJhXl9krhDQEymjUjUyTZhZuWk 7SVTudgtddQaB+4RlZbY9+7DdbhBNLbNeV9/WSMS9SOqWd+1crR08k/AKGbpy87xZpRI j1d0KXOoR3oZrAzI47uqvLx5cJOgfiq2bykCf0P+B2K8cJb5tefz5jn4uNViPSZsZ9Ba hQzw== k2mr5182331lbp.63.1414514209824; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.17 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:36:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <27B25DC2-E1DA-411C-A99A-E456FC524144@verizon.net> <8D1C0B0FE2FC898-11B0-CDED@webmail-vd002.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:36:49 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Dave wrote: > Also, didn't they switch to industry standard 1000 turns per mile during > the > TR6 run? > They must have done something...I swapped out my transmission in my 1975 TR6 for an earlier one (maybe 1974) and the speedometer reads high. I haven't done anything to correct it because the original will go back in once the rebuild/overdrive installation is completed... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 14:32:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E8F2584770 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:32:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6CD2580751 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo305 ([68.230.241.173]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141028202334.VDRI32389.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo305> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:23:34 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo305 with cox id 8kPZ1p00J2j24ku01kPZZt; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:23:33 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=qXcXfTCY9CMPCOxCoqIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Z3cKmC-kk1yo_9MOYncA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:33 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/y68hJc5P+/QiBT4CJ588HM6tPCA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looking at the Moss Catalog and doing some research, it would appear that TR3's had "budget lock" or dzus type lock to hold the boot lid down up until TS22013. My car is TS21491 and has the T handle and no dzus fasteners or "budget locks". While it is possible that the boot lid was replaced at some time, I know that at minimum, the rest of the back of the car is original, and there is no evidence at the underside of the trunk where the "budget locks" would have made contact to suggest that they were ever there. Is this a "hard and fast" change or was this another example of the factory's "running changes" where they would use parts until they ran out and then make the change. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 14:47:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412E72584CDF for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:47:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489BB2584470 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:40:18 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1414529019; bh=mA1/h9DVYPCSIh1P/uk6DxPK0CfqExCsRnnmimjuV+s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=HB9YcA580dL7RCrABMUd6YuSXKr3xw2Lbqe03AAQM68CEN331N9BRT7m/PXe2MyB6212p9IQ3AaA6HCYMYAFrgWh/mrEAvKu1BttNQAf5ffnHf54fWk//P/kTT9xHY/6sF4yBOIGbaMs0G9JTv2eixiB+XiaAU+6C7A6kWe2CLYMPUGD9cogOioTUBxs43RhnKfvLmQTerxkhyPvyvgTd+9a+hTnf1bdZ69EhokLQafzlEWaDkNFOaNyB/UlhIowVNKGWtKLOVeL2SBHyaPiY8KjX+EeOi4ztYwNDsEG/ETWGsPPkXygcOI8dgK6y5MY4Z8kMalxyn8bAeemn8D2xA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=uWke/XdNVtxrHUvUC11MDj9dQhgbbN2UIUcvBVd4sNKax4BEkVizSeSH1jNZedVDRE61faoLKZJs3FCAVnLuBhINkvsuTOxL08NucBSxOUM9Png3+X1E031u2fM1cBhP8OmsHvpu4bx6eiJMYHwKHwlUCtUCk9ibAZ/B9s19wi29xxoVItZNC4U9L4/ACmQ/t4kWHqT4smjf8YHps/eaJdZjnPKZPiEVbWrexMo6TvP1T1q6hbLjRxA+euXK3nCHUQQf+b7NiENgRtzk5MpOvdqGJHiyR8fsaVN0UrdeDpRfARTxk0NjRkmniuqOJo4xbNoXtv6xT+yKWgGwx6KCSQ==; Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.166] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 20:43:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 20:43:39 -0000 iiLw2rdW_FIa1DraqV.h3.hu27V.gGdHXsS9whCaLFNgQ9wkAFEE9f9feOMUVaTOak.2f.cbuTg8 BoBTqIQrYIYWtMEK6RvF26w1m3g_74HiLKxUc7w4TBTEW52rvBhZn8qXnmq4O7xZJYCWlRVuavPo 3skT9bryP35_XII2oKHUiI5L9300EQnjcU0mvLgMNxA8.zVdYJdk9_bI21j4bV8V6LfGVKZy98GC hK4yHTOLZ9N5B5Z69auoxrzMtsbLsFtFb7Z9LmvFtfiv.W.Wbst_fX2JzU1_9SCdjp7WzUoO_hRd Zu13Qa2r9vcLevYvfgN6k6t0vQUHp4k10IQqUx0oxCku4jZUdSvP_b4_otaJkjcrdONboJkwqzO4 Mdxo_91Eq7a.OcLeqjTbDFL_SWvFxv.YmK6Ep5ljZ.LJ3Lb4O9PXeMfrMBNzrX0Y6F4e26l8pgy8 IzMoC8kEHyt3JQrVCNJMHCzlI2GJ6yTR5iOwkGuvbhr.A3ylrHp1x0jLPrPo0 Received: by 98.138.105.222; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:43:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:43:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <00d801cff2ed$0bf1f150$23d5d3f0$@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jonasi think it was a running change.we have a member of our club who has a TR3 whose commission number would suggest it should have the single handle, but it has the buget locks. and he swears its original factory. Frank On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:36 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: Looking at the Moss Catalog and doing some research, it would appear that TR3's had "budget lock" or dzus type lock to hold the boot lid down up until TS22013. My car is TS21491 and has the T handle and no dzus fasteners or "budget locks".B While it is possible that the boot lid was replaced at some time, I know that at minimum, the rest of the back of the car is original, and there is no evidence at the underside of the trunk where the "budget locks" would have made contact to suggest that they were ever there. Is this a "hard and fast" change or was this another example of the factory's "running changes" where they would use parts until they ran out and then make the change. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 14:47:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3C62584DC5 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040F02584CF7 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo109 ([68.230.241.158]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141028205058.BLNL8823.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo109> for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:50:58 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo109 with cox id 8kqx1p00H2j24ku01kqxFp; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:50:58 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=v7hSnvafILsTr1bJxs4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=QHgntnLrhGGp455m018A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Frank Fisher'" , References: <00d801cff2ed$0bf1f150$23d5d3f0$@cox.net> <8kje1p00V3SHMwq01kjeE2> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:50:57 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJqYyvxX/Qn62lT+esYiHCUmxITfAHJFrRZmwLRDxA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Very interesting, but moving in the wrong direction in the production run. I have also read that the T Handle could be a bdealer installed optionb, but that would have left some ugly holes and filler work. I wonder if the bdealer installationb simply involved swapping out the boot lid from a TR3A on the lot so they could move along the aging TR3? Was his car originally white? Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:43 PM To: Jonas Payne; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question Jonas i think it was a running change. we have a member of our club who has a TR3 whose commission number would suggest it should have the single handle, but it has the buget locks. and he swears its original factory. Frank On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:36 PM, Jonas Payne Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4BB2584459 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.246]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F20A2580751 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:29:39 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1414531981; bh=U2affNDn3bgG6Jd3lARZjlGKubN0DtCi4B5is6ezr3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=uAYJg6XHVCZ/Rmwb0zAgY2b9yaMvPqm5iw0nYDyclJSAxuyKNsp9ZCNxYHIYcWoq6JtqPiWiyzBjfs7GBsBsBBjYt8z8jZK8a5TFRwr/h0Bahj05tSxTQMsuPwaEOLCkGdmtCdg2zlxbY6dFbPVLxcLCO4O2gvC/q7j76wg9ZusdPIk96dvsJmgE1Okayw9S7fF8vXXXn96lQD5wtDDQG5wSEYIqlyZxLknFrHQak9/HtZdI3UARFsOn1ynUiCjLG3pNb2JBoAQPMytAsz/kEx6anWyNjLCqYLq7aieFJ0SxAxLfZQos+8YZq31sskTRh4NJ02pDhDFc9DKSJF3q0g== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=XDL8BdpT1sI9lYA+L//ZJE9WQ0PZd6qWFgroVOTh0l9noWpqVWBtsqRgQ89yxNqmyorpiVY1OaG9GZ0NyMk74fgp0rGKvgQ0lYDRWYQJhSAqBtBAdhJTNgH+kyRvYyC1nCFQXM85MDKlTIKKYa+rMIG0A6+puMlFZjTqbQQ/LxP3rBzT8A/ypvAXLT99LqQ4KTZI3MDHCz9y1TpJTd32nEbJZlOMUcg1lRzg0m7ZgPBJMAstmDkoHpJIKCnzK5d0Km1/lcZ6sV7iuOd7Dqg770krsPCYcs7BgcagJtwvPc/J4bXnmuewML972If2cKvyZBzI+ROwzQb7IJiXPv2WbA==; Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm24.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 21:33:01 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.4] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 21:33:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Oct 2014 21:33:01 -0000 uwfXmnk59GzPw1bud0PEs0Ce0GrXuDyawQmXf5gqDJ5Ft9puA4m2gHJD__2IEXq23wiwx1QPSZrH g9lsHHRMiaHDm..fohZKJ3CVpdIKECJYFyJgTsgj3_yL1TRuNEGd7_r9zvwYfGvcnbLgtqnuQrvJ pycCstbtUV6ykyVw1_UO4J_VK8lP2SiptaffpNnsB3y9Vcp2gIu5IzPgFQ9mFEyyE1sxHONpfO4O r_uOO6QHWaIEvYtZ7I.pCt4g89qdGRHZTCqLOcqLQGyr7p4agC3p3y0A.x_lzCBx9QKYoZsY4Hbt HGy1twUhV6E0Tj80e8_JjbEvbx8zz0iZkZqxpoLgSh1ZVoapPm4dCRNLUw4TqKMxHkfjclyvNvqB fI4M9rZmVoDtz64fEX1O1SmFb3Mi7uF9STUQke_xl2tVPgsaoDFlBGTYWKJxE6hwasZsqtuyuEIp 53VwUaiz0Qdaczvd7ZjRUOTy4_RJ.tHqP2bi2wplvUJHX3qf__0HCSWETTa_H Received: by 98.138.101.166; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:33:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:33:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: Jonas Payne , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <010a01cff2f0$e0028c90$a007a5b0$@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net i know its moving in the wrong direction for your car. but like many parts i don't think there where hard cut off dates for some of the changes. i have only ever seen his car in green. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:50 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: Very interesting, but moving in the wrong direction in the production run. B I have also read that the T Handle could be a bdealer installed optionb, but that would have left some ugly holes and filler work. B I wonder if the bdealer installationb simply involved swapping out the boot lid from a TR3A on the lot so they could move along the aging B TR3? B Was his car originally white? B Jonas PaynePBR Consulting Services, LLC702.882.6711 B From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:43 PM To: Jonas Payne; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Boot Lock Question B Jonasi think it was a running change.we have a member of our club who has a TR3 whose commission number would suggest it should have the single handle, but it has the buget locks. and he swears its original factory. B Frank B On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:36 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: B Looking at the Moss Catalog and doing some research, it would appear that TR3's had "budget lock" or dzus type lock to hold the boot lid down up until TS22013. My car is TS21491 and has the T handle and no dzus fasteners or "budget locks".B While it is possible that the boot lid was replaced at some time, I know that at minimum, the rest of the back of the car is original, and there is no evidence at the underside of the trunk where the "budget locks" would have made contact to suggest that they were ever there. Is this a "hard and fast" change or was this another example of the factory's "running changes" where they would use parts until they ran out and then make the change. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 16:48:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554C2258457E for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:48:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF14125806C8 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:38:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([108.40.194.133]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NE600JRTF0UHE40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:41:24 -0500 (CDT) a=vLZwrQrEZ96p/NiYRzja4A==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=F_B6fewKUJilRuEV4q0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EqoKOaRdHtcA:10 a=3w7Aov3xON__jvsN6HQA:9 a=qWbRh5a9BX5tK40s:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 From: Steven Ball Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:41:18 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} What's that noise? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Original message: Subject: Re: [TR] What's that noise? Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: > First, think about a piece of aluminum or plastic, like a coke can or > plastic > water bottle already flattened. The sound it makes when you run over it - > that's sort of like it. Happens once in a while, within about 10 yards of > starting off in first. > Almost certainly a universal joint... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ============ Peter, I saw this comment on the list digest. If it turns out to be a U-Joint or some other driveline problem, I just wanted to remind you to check out Santa Maria Driveline Service, just in case you didn't already know about them. For years everybody told me there was no driveline repair shop between Santa Barbara and SLO, but I eventually found these guys on Blosser Rd. in Santa Maria. Evidently they've kept a low profile, building custom drivelines for over 20 years. On my TR3A driveshaft, they replaced one completely worn out flange, replaced all the U Joints, and balanced the whole thing. I think the bill was around $100 but I can't remember exactly how much. Steve Ball Lompoc CA TR3A TS68164L email: banjonut@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 21:19:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A483B25845F2 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:19:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A40258447A for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 2A/71-20377-46D50545; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 03:22:13 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:22:12 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/ynTnEBt3bPXWqRKy+9qJqiQdacAAihguQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Also, didn't they switch to industry standard 1000 turns per mile > during the TR6 run? Yup, same time they switched to the J-type OD. (But all cars went to 1000 tpm, not just those with OD.) The speedo drive gears in the gearbox or OD were changed to give the 1000 tpm. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Oct 28 21:31:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11F5258460F for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:31:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B874625845B5 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2014 21:30:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 56/2A-20377-73060545; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 03:34:15 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumph List'" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:34:14 -0700 Thread-Index: AQHxFnIntmLqGBkH6L6E87ZQhHs+AZwCykEwgAFYTwA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I don't think the TR6 in injected or carb form ever had a 4:1 > final drive > (or any other oddball ratio) My TR6 parts catalogue lists final drive ratios all the way up to 4.875. There is no notation next to the 4.1; but the others say "Alternative fitment for competition purposes". Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 12:20:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EB5258488B for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:20:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13528258051C for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:20:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RonLHeraultPC ([74.104.178.64]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NE700HJ4XR5GW30@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:23:30 -0500 (CDT) a=9hTLhfjI/flKK/BzHj8NGg==:117 a=fcP9TnJPZgQA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=cW7BNmThx5fjlAVxGVoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nEg6WHfIYaUA:10 a=CGEwO75gW8oA:10 From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:23:25 -0400 Thread-index: Ac/zpW3/iiLiro6aRomRMpH1GbIxbA== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] budget locks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I hate to claim ignorance (too often) but what are "budget locks"? Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 13:21:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE222584514 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.177.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E6525804C2 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:21:44 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1414610707; bh=h6ZuodJ7r8BpMQbsjGIxR9BOOQ9fcB5TPXYeAjO5EGk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=XmoR9RDZ84uQS+k6oh5jwmYkGS8t7P37gMUEP7eQR0338b8b2n7skFu9q6s9ZB8c5rXMWsq7Kl5tsg52OwyFpEfcA52fsjkaVSbmtU6kGGXdejM+4bP1oU4iXgAkjlJak1ORSrESJhL7EESqZ8WacIa5GH41p3DUvhgzFA9oocA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=yAJcg81p321v4Qm2uSl/gZfYQzdYdWnodVV6s+T12qEnpuD9BMAKE7ZZBhIALJQnIIvh8/ng+00M1N3a4WuN0UeKVZJGvyiIciX26aLQeUDmQ38qg02OWmz4j2L/hx8RQdkmwLmsMqp7hzHWqFyH8iQUHSdyxFNIkWvhxdKKGSM=; Received: from [98.137.12.60] by nm16.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2014 19:25:07 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.201] by tm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2014 19:25:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2014 19:25:07 -0000 .d_1oc8RJg2oB7FqOPSTPnxPwY.Id_yuwc9k4LBzK0RpB4qqkMjqDHHOWqNJ s7Nshrh11ppMgGzmJuHSQCHpwpkMN3caZYCP2LVCvrNyGvYw0SRAcdZuDqgd NEPrC.PSoz5gv3bJUBqHK4WYq8ZAc7nuMzFywTGNMQMIFyt48xYEhZ7J7Owr e4M.Eynk4xwHebouKq7XQ0R5VODSIao6By_KBUkxNuOn8V3E_VsmHu3cZ8.i jae1GNY8FXetJ2EOfSVwCLp6zKd3RA225OwHtk3.GOocriOgPzSr9Vbspuhu UgEuxBOfVQSkA_bn6mwIwyYJUSzkTCalX.eGX1WZxIqVaa_8VWDebDNEHOCF XKCkBeX9qe8lJjJ8TcJeuq1SdMyHK0QdAPNKO4aKL5o5m75t9C9P.CFs_ehe vJswg8.kpITrs202P79frHIqhdXt2WKKQis2LHRtJpX0dmtmeXIFt5_upok5 91svhywpG3Xth7fhER.8toP9MwhMu9VYT1YHC0.cSzV2pRMgbBD9mrqch4vR LFKzMkf7Dy.IIISe8.7JnByESXM90uNMKrI0zrafV6U6kb6qu_Q-- From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:13:48 -0500 References: <003701cff3a5$6e8950c0$4b9bf240$@net> To: Ron L'Herault Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] budget locks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Just a simple key & tumbler with a throw on the end to catch on the rear sill. Not unlike the lock for a small cabinet door. Budget because you can pick one up at the hardware store for about $10, in 1957 probably $1.99. Sent from mobile Bill On Oct 29, 2014, at 1:23 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I hate to claim ignorance (too often) but what are "budget locks"? Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 13:31:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1583C258454C for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:31:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S9.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s9.hotmail.com [65.55.34.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164125804C2 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL127-DS18 ([65.55.34.8]) by COL004-OMC1S9.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22751); Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:32:38 -0700 From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:32:49 -0700 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:32:49 -0700 FILETIME=[1958A560:01CFF3AF] Subject: [TR] what's that noise? update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Want to thank all for input. I had some say it was brake noise: I checked brakes all looks well. When I backed the front pads off the and flicked the metal shims it was a noise of similar tone, but all looked and functioned well. Some said rear hubs: I jacked up the rear end pulled & pushed, wobbled vertically & horizontally - no play. Some said u-joints - here it got interesting. One of the rare noises it makes sometimes when it does make its tinny sound is a slight bump or knock. It has also made the tinny sound most often when I pull into my driveway over the bump in transition from street to driveway. I do this at an angle, slowly. As the right rear wheels come up over the bump - noise. So I will inspect u-joints next. Keep all advised. Again thanks to all, if anyone thinks of more, please don't hesitate... Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 15:32:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C384258457E for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:32:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECAA2580809 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id le20so1133289vcb.31 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GsfEkAzZ8dD7tx9qci1ngMAmmOLe2C5FS4Jk6iIH+WA=; b=pgkep2sazIf1qq8XHUOTgfwxudg2OaK0Yx+mwd3CiBWs1NYnHQ/pa5N2FgieaLFXvQ Xiow2YjAMeBMHfZIT3XVj/cz+e0qW2mF6KH9WGk+JGxgOdOY9ll7zGzQFSFkxwVqJYWM OUSORHuGAVv/2aLvrHIroQoIVjAaq7dI72/yvokINz+tVXNlbHFl8sM9+VrjRnho2G1J NFEpnL55snrcbNwLHCS7l8Ic5NC2YrvCOWyQffK66bDMy1wjWhq6gfBlJcUYXlyxaMZZ E8pbj+QZ9MmRbwDEwUNZdAcztOw6aI92ZRoXERAYX64i04AXA9r/frJQ22UrdkmZtEU9 B8IA== jz2mr4995312vdb.85.1414618296200; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.16.15 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:31:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <003701cff3a5$6e8950c0$4b9bf240$@net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:31:36 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "Ron L'Herault" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] budget locks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > I hate to claim ignorance (too often) but what are "budget locks"? A latch operated with a Dzus tool, like the spare tire compartment on a TR2 or TR3. https://www.google.com/search?q=budget+lock&biw=1366&bih=620&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=0VtRVOPgPMHqoATUuYHABQ&ved=0CB0QsAQ The ones on the corners of the early boot lids had a lid that looked more like a leaf than a toilet seat cover. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 19:48:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04E82580B97 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:48:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C105258083A for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from AdrianPC ([86.29.58.58]) by know-smtprelay-1-imp with bizsmtp id 9DrV1p0231FNdY601DrVNN; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 01:51:30 +0000 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:117 a=TO9cvixiQaxsamF46adMRQ==:17 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=8RloEfZUAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=tpESNs0m5y63IdP30I8A:9 a=uY39ZH8Vr92MuHpI:21 a=TeBckeJ0euRMGpZf:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 From: "Dixie4" To: "Peter Arakelian" , "Listers" References: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 01:52:50 -0000 Subject: Re: [TR] what's that noise? update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Peter, When thinking of buying a TR6 a number of years ago I took along a TR specialist. One of the tests he carried out on the road test was to drive at very slow speed in a tight circle on full lock, both left and right. Apparently this test would show up worn driveshafts. I am sorry, I forget what kind of noise he was listening for. Perhaps this may help isolate your problem. Regards, Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Arakelian" To: "Listers" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:32 PM Subject: [TR] what's that noise? update > Want to thank all for input. > > I had some say it was brake noise: I checked brakes all looks well. When > I > backed the front pads off the and flicked the metal shims it was a noise > of > similar tone, but all looked and functioned well. > > Some said rear hubs: I jacked up the rear end pulled & pushed, wobbled > vertically & horizontally - no play. > > Some said u-joints - here it got interesting. One of the rare noises it > makes > sometimes when it does make its tinny sound is a slight bump or knock. It > has > also made the tinny sound most often when I pull into my driveway over the > bump in transition from street to driveway. I do this at an angle, > slowly. > As the right rear wheels come up over the bump - noise. So I will inspect > u-joints next. > > Keep all advised. > > Again thanks to all, if anyone thinks of more, please don't hesitate... > > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5315 / Virus Database: 4189/8476 - Release Date: 10/29/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Oct 29 21:23:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6252584555 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:23:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144C5258447A for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7193F2C01EF for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:26:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:26:28 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Thanks again! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So I am finally sitting down and sending out Thank You emails to those who recently contributed to the "mini fund drive" as I called it. The new hardware bits are doing fine. And old hardware bit, my KVM switch, kissed the turf while I was shuffling things about, but that isn't a Team.Net issue. So again, I appreciate the support you folks provided to help keep the LBC bits flowing. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 09:25:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9B22584762 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm9-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF452580935 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:25:05 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1414682908; bh=Il2y/ezAPfMx2HrZOIfPzRDL0z8B9TvxTNq41sZMvuI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=FBPGrbboNq3GIMYTnPHxCr/xN5wiicczW7GkkaIRpF7I7fxE+8CCJVPbUqY0CT9JiphWsx2xI2pMs1psKygMcZsoiRIpescWJGUXsaZMIiuSqUBqdQvwP2SJeApv/yygNUMcZddCVqyaReHWDMUrBba7Rduge4yNb8dkoNWVXG+0H6ISnXD1GiheAcEFNgL1CGm+ebYiGulH1EU/jk0wSe568+jDGYU2wp7800tutD0HBZp9apIkMOMzkKsJbmZyruEj56vFGnLBiVVkz3/bxbtJbIizf5Vi8Y0LSgCqLXMQsJlwVssjx5nXC9ppijYGe4zBX5GBxEDLpPxjbI9SUg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=Z3+ZnC9aZC7Y3m/zU4+Rt4hbVMlAD0XjVK7EoOr5fCdSU+le/ZexRjlLFNZaz+kHqZi+ZzDj88Lim97v86QdaE5b61MTCjZttH/JYNWPufLFOx+/trVehuAbDk1qveYCgSKxJ3W+UVAMvkdbN8zg6ouJC1ZopuFnhpROAWkJnSAQVe/ZdxPxh4XvCY20ivkyrQIbiI2LuP2HNeS0WAYLzEkpK4SWcvxqgDy+DRagj/SicK0ejgDOW9sblNMKhAQKhxeszHVO+9U883RKN+LYyVG+jHx6qNp4QAb+ZN2qcY3MaEL7lj5ULc3ESD2FBfRu9Kap85GIjuklDmUt9K1ngg==; Received: from [98.138.100.102] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2014 15:28:28 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.253] by tm101.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2014 15:28:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2014 15:28:28 -0000 81O651oCIrv.is3mBC_EAKOXkNdF7dBOun_Qc6tHcIE100CPyODOun2Z2OLelLVyXaSKn8v4aV7B SiMElxcRIFTSsyGgvXYfqOZadx.gR.hTT5ehiuIvwC7LqpD_r6zTQymld_zze2wiXwMHLICVlCAD S.3EJKDJ14X0sl24P6yjVxqhVie3L8.rRMRnafOpivKaO4hgd8Kporj_9DeHDK.uLwpWdlT6EspK IZ7tRc8kNyjkjEZfNQ7vRHtTI4SU4zkE_W3M3RoqfCllzvRzl.zumA3B5WS_6B9GjcvjPFzEy0FB 9UW0pCs5eMuyBg7lla0luepGvyLxawzJPjS6THmJvHDb2FsyR6DyV8RTWPG4Y8i0H4dpsLFOsCpo cAurQZ9gOJ_VgOGe8OBysaThq4Ceje7endCKUgyOKeIW1t7zdOv..nly_gGVV4bozKzgsF8Ntq.T YTUtIhsVEofKv02IL0LP43RVjb4ISn90z4mB9DTZDuLKv0VnrdbmI Received: by 98.138.105.249; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:28:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:28:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: Mark J Bradakis , Triumphs References: <5451AFE4.8010709@bradakis.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks again! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net we are genuinely indebted to you Mark, and i appreciate all your effortsthank youFrank Fisher On Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:26 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: So I am finally sitting down and sending out Thank You emails to those who recently contributed to the "mini fund drive" as I called it. The new hardware bits are doing fine. And old hardware bit, my KVM switch, kissed the turf while I was shuffling things about, but that isn't a Team.Net issue. So again, I appreciate the support you folks provided to help keep the LBC bits flowing. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 12:24:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53305258489B for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:24:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06BF258083A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 9WSc1p00426dK1R01WTe3f; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:27:38 +0000 Received: from [10.18.43.98] ([107.107.62.254]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id 9WTS1p0025V7i6b01WTVgA; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:27:36 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:27:25 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1414693658; bh=YlQSzS8ppZlQexGc9Mj5oT4s/jvumPgf9KzZ7qnoTYE=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=H0f/gGGn8njQyrnOIo9GCCDeDbPj3vLNKWooSjNWU4fV9FKNf9QkTWfS7SjoOIJyi HFUNZvtNQvS4tQjtm0V1R/2OZuNoVSsYzRRIqQEWzEqZdbgNabfpRtp3OxFPTqIY8D veg92LT9iI3TYaE/wVUKv3aWql7JnLegEY4KjBiFw1qEnQEycavHqkAmnY6//4X0vj f+Df7ZK+4JLn38sJnyxyNfQ9JJfMR4/PMg3lX3x7paj/qjAGJEk1hAriimhGlszunk EP8m5m5NjPAmonKOxPyJUUa8gXXJDOZIhlUWQTwK/l87+SVGCAXfHd1md9NLPke9L3 dj2J5W/+xA3gg== Cc: "peterara@msn.com" Subject: Re: [TR] what's that noise? update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I had an odd noise in my 4A IRS which turned out to be a slightly loose brake mounting bolt. As for u joints, when I bought the car the driveshaft had a bad vibration which appeared to be bad phase alignment if the 2 halves. When I corrected the alignment of the yokes, the vibration was unbelievably worse. The front ujoint was demolished and had bots and pieces of the rollers inside the cups. After that I had a very slight vibration. And I checked the other 5 ujoints. One had a noticeable click when twisted by hand. It was also in terrible shape. Then I really tested the others and one had the most subtle click. It too was bad. The others seemed ok, but I replaced them anyway. It turned out that all but one were really on bad shape. So don't discount the possibility of bad but in my case they created a vibration, not a noise. -Tony On Oct 30, 2014, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:32:49 -0700 > From: "Peter Arakelian" > To: "Listers" > Subject: [TR] what's that noise? update > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Want to thank all for input. > > I had some say it was brake noise: I checked brakes all looks well. When I > backed the front pads off the and flicked the metal shims it was a noise of > similar tone, but all looked and functioned well. > > Some said rear hubs: I jacked up the rear end pulled & pushed, wobbled > vertically & horizontally - no play. > > Some said u-joints - here it got interesting. One of the rare noises it makes > sometimes when it does make its tinny sound is a slight bump or knock. It has > also made the tinny sound most often when I pull into my driveway over the > bump in transition from street to driveway. I do this at an angle, slowly. > As the right rear wheels come up over the bump - noise. So I will inspect > u-joints next. > > Keep all advised. > > Again thanks to all, if anyone thinks of more, please don't hesitate... > > Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 12:57:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DB2258476A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0622584631 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:56:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id im17so595148vcb.19 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kAzTsZjQPnpLr8ukKebcErUiHa5uUIvhU/KDQVnAQ1A=; b=zqt1Zzkn7ddlKYU3nj1Ht9EjQITJs2yg7HewuyowhRrgL5blm2eVcaZeqKi6vGTsNh Df/cWaFFoox7rYHe2L4N7UZwTuTAGMrDqEA4HOmj9sToG2R1ojtm2pidCWeVL6C8kOr+ bbBBezZ7d3YCilkSzi/tQoPxr8dVF92fzByKFNAza10nJRF4cOhdX0ZwgagJ1EAcwFSI v7llPa2kQ4t6SV3sL+r6J3Nbkv1DB17o8gRon3aH+oW9uEPPoFYlMFKqlMsB/YCwvLE/ u/7jpDpNP26XDSNz1I1gurV6jxyxOgBujHxB5ddRS7/RE6No4Y22tsKvdpPTMSA26tom Pnxg== c2mr11491955vdx.3.1414695592464; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.62.14 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:59:52 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Need a good outdoor all weather car cover recommendation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Something that will last a few years in rain and California sun. Stag shell is out being exposed to the elements now. Regards, Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 13:38:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0052525845DE for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:38:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0D325844CC for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 13:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id hq11so3066187vcb.7 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s5WAsD4RuIY9aUW82vh8AxmcGtOTMXWSudv2l20S7Z4=; b=AFTzYfC6uUqCfe5e6N60ritgcH/g0FfPS/xLENjN0UX8vTQ8YuDwg00KV/1b6h9GpV CM6qmaLYI+9V5P2xCqz7yufEMnadIonNwQvmNJlieJ6mWUcq/mvD/4QUCGMkRjJndWv7 OwdDQMiI5wK+l+N37KOhHyE3UM273XrKCo9tKIFrRMP/Utor2XQMFb+2i/1Ix0q4DL3Q t0+A+EcJ6Vlq1aZoAJ4yFUQdFHbmOCbH3ggA2/MY5vptJQIXwJuKuoKxY8elviw8E1li +EAnr7bZmK7dxjo7NU4NeGQg4hQwEEUMdC5RqSudmRfuYlGnYBIM5xftz/5E3g0CF1IU r8AA== Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.62.14 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:35:36 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] stag for sale in la area Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net http://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/4678037940.html -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 15:25:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F8925848F9 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:25:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA662584637 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:17:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.4.129]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9ZK91p00N2n1ACN01ZKJUx; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:19:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:19:26 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/0ht5tLiPXwMMPSoO1L7I5Ckc0Aw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one or another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source where I could get "a bunch" ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 15:35:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5739C2584917 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:35:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (unknown [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68592258475A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20141030213316.DKDJ28942.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:33:16 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id 9ZZG1p0032j24ku01ZZGV4; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:33:16 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=O53PpbtCAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6-wNB6idhNorVWesmgEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <9ZWv1p0080NyJgq01ZWwaA> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:33:17 -0700 Thread-Index: AQI5BIJxmdtbbwrFtb//zSqrPk4/Ppt3CQzw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try British Wiring at www.britishwiring.com Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:19 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] grommet woes These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one or another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source where I could get "a bunch" ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 15:47:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E708A2584798 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E077258491D for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170170pub.verizon.net ([192.168.1.60]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTP id <0NEA00JKA1EXB282@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:37:45 -0500 (CDT) a=fN6Osi8fgP70p3sIWdBKCg==:117 a=xkUZaXdIKeAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=Ncn_RocuAAAA:8 a=J5Jfo_ckAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=flPtlS_aU13UDSob-L8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=_XiWuA84jcAA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vznit170170 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:37:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:37:45 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: auprichard@uprichard.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TRF: http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=27 Craig 72 TR6 On 10/30/14, Andrew Uprichard wrote: These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one or another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source where I could get "a bunch" ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 15:47:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699452584911 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:47:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AA12584637 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:38:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.4.129]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9ZhE1p00C2n1ACN01ZhNcw; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:41:23 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: References: <26841262.2502519.1414705065616.JavaMail.root@vznit170170> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:41:31 -0400 Thread-Index: AQIKjnr4gROD7zFRe0SvtNmsCRFdYZvT9ymg Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Craig - I was aware of this kit - for the firewall - but there are so many others required. That's why I was looking for an alternative. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls@verizon.net [mailto:thenicholls@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:38 PM To: auprichard@uprichard.net; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes TRF: http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=27 Craig 72 TR6 On 10/30/14, Andrew Uprichard wrote: These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one or another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source where I could get "a bunch" ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls@verizon.nethttp:// trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=27 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 15:47:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3536B2584798 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:47:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C92584637 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ij19so3237280vcb.38 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FrWSNFOcn0Qa7XlFb9bPECuEfHpEynno8577kz6WdSs=; b=t66surU0q+ZRmdHTWJPJWyVeAUEkt5sXy4DUrR4R7wNDECbCbn/wqAwdP6jvSBJw6n 8MMRRTul+Ckgrz2de0guobf7CBVO4iZ49gBrUzlGLzUCilBvBRUKoUIMZfRfmh47YA/p gtrLarsfI6RfoXNV9KvSgkQFY9Uzp7L3oHgkYoTrWeRvjRVrUo4Ugw2vxwhf5qgB9rBb RFHtwgv+B+8pVvCH7m9F4fvYe01fT3nO8/PuqJdVozrpWs5IyMwa6tZFRIzp4B1d8kOT wVW+97Uwu/HV39ahaqVuv4V/G4GnRIHlx3FbgII44Z3xnYHbnF3Iwg1AlzEdNCuDcA+r w7yg== Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.16.15 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT) References: <007501cff487$35920cc0$a0b62640$@uprichard.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:47:06 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Andrew Uprichard Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net TRF sells a 9-grommet kit for the firewall: Search here for RFK673. Geo On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in > the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one > or > another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a > source > where I could get "a bunch" ? > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 16:09:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B9F258491A for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:09:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6179B2584776 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:06:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa07-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9a9j1p00p4oFfFQ01a9oeW; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:09:49 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <9ZWv1p0080NyJgq01ZWwaA> <000001cff489$1ebb1df0$5c3159d0$@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:09:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Payne Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:33 PM To: 'Andrew Uprichard' ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Try British Wiring at www.britishwiring.com Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Oct 30 16:24:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2254D25848A6 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:24:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014CC258476B for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:19:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([98.117.90.163]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NEA000W33IQNK30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:23:15 -0500 (CDT) a=AR1dG/TeJCF0fX33BA8WKQ==:117 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=mDKVRGENAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=TX1aFTTZlYtfGIxMKq4A:9 a=GN_J1zsSmo4ob1xT:21 a=eJz7YsVi0Sk7b8kS:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=U7M1p0M_z2oA:10 From: Dean Tetterton Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:23:14 -0400 References: <007501cff487$35920cc0$a0b62640$@uprichard.net> To: "Andrew Uprichard" Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I get all my wiring supplies from Autosparks in the UK http://www.autosparks.co.uk/index.php They carry all kinds of grommets, bulliets, sleeves, wiring harness, and tools. I have used there bullets crimpers for years. They also make great wiring harnesses. Dean T. On Oct 30, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > These TR3s have grommets everywhere: in the frame, under the gas tank, in > the firewall, for the wiring harness. I find I am always looking for one or > another. I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source > where I could get "a bunch" ? > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 31 13:51:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D614725844E9 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B5B25806BC for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 13:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vwm24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (vwm24.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.10.54]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NEB00IIHQV0J5V0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [69.126.235.217] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:45:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Peglow To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Cc: peterara@msn.com Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net B > 1. What's that noise? (Peter Arakelian) Peter I hope this is not your problem. After years driving on winter roads (with salt) I found my TR250 chassis cracked from rust near the swing axle mounting. I could not easily see it because there was undercoat on the chassis. It made a creaking sound when the chassis flexed as I went up my raised driveway entrance on an angle.. Good luck with it. Regards, Bob B ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 31 15:38:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF9125806BC for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEFC25806BC for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:38:52 -0600 (MDT) s=s2048; t=1414791736; bh=9sAWNYDS0Xlfm8Y0R0Ez5HQErK8NEqvB9rvGWEnkchE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=qhmRHx4WsTYCqQFGyZvWfZFOkLgUFptrnJRDPXKfLjtwf+InYxMyLCvi2q1eIJ6rkB7HAzcLm5FOKP9aN85DF/dwdOcrjcrCysX1xXjbn9+7oOmsxJHeS/0G68w74OeI7JKmLadWqXTyW/q/MaBjlsCZhCTDsNlgMuLiuR+tA4q+VR3G/4YcO5XnOzElNJOnUwTHUEgN5tDG+MfMu/5AvtrqTaWKC62TbNmOf8c7xmE0AcwxD0duW11auVFB7tFPs9y8bIV202he/6DP5qaHTOSwaI+2UHBJ0OO1PhH5VFvYCjpDfdEiFRQYbKi5qAWUGD0DarJxRFHUkEl/B5FNEQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048; d=yahoo.com; b=LwHJEmholW9p6Km6qWQoKcBhZXn/r6qM0E65i18hBCBCPCScAYI00URG+jFIiRs6kLs7iegRt/eyBsNJcg1+PffOmZ1oWJYHRGFT217Z7NOfOY4na0U2r8bjNsfTY66eJCvXTZcHz6L3xeYC5PBYZgffqXeAmvfQs4kE6lG/lH9ve80pw7rgpcYKMSs6PsSMXhm98bCW8tXDzx+aEtNxUKIWt77j3TNG0mNg2gkaEjk7Yp3AMeU2ixjtLMVls0L4+Ws1QnRpA+6fzhiYMZ8y8mkeHp/YHW9u4J6MKMDgbFwWUZ36Q+znovT50Vv7u+91qpYgjLOBovT82+gy7M5bRw==; Received: from [66.196.81.170] by nm24.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2014 21:42:16 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.197] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2014 21:42:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2014 21:42:16 -0000 foyWlHO5WJ8MKmxkM.28YfbmGFv3fltGt0REOjcK.Gej.0g6N_.6qIUT4TOZ6yY1WXSU9XNy7L8. k.yUgSLp1nmYSavgdV0Kpr_wzN5xYxkVSas3CfdLOLkCYli7zRXro8JyqJ71IV9xf.Y.K2SVGXXk _q7yJd1HpJ4GzTJe4YKa9BtdyAvQ3rCfCPhqCQnwVLDzRHQ8s3ZOcddw6zsltxuT.XVFZVRflROs 1K8JmVfWWRo4vjstyVxnGQ6dNNWvn.vO7aybxh.8JZQeAN16FTja6yI.GUqq27HGo7rO4zuDIneF 8qbGd5B2lknqs0offw.ftjwxhLNBfLg9dCTDLFr3gHbRWifJx1tJcyzJv6tz2U.uVDNALXaOKHrr Ekmwe9ql3VJbRPgGvf5pt1oIeXH96I3xQgi5NwZ.SYjnXqUQ6LIZAbB9HWfgMgt0bO5ooP9cSMFZ WtSQeCoFdxHPTiE56ymDc_JBGk6w3LPj2E1m1gt8Qchqi8yBpAyJlbtBa5WYESOoWdqV97bqxYjx yT2Guz5ZyR1jreVpcQTcmBTTN5NeIpJTjZzs1v4iTeh4PZBTNUjvo7RrJan0TVgO07P0ymPnL7c0 VMQv3KcR7hUIhjIxAZCRNB3ZsdkmQECDEEAMQ4ZmuvzswZiHaQF9mA5beHjaKUELBSZK6scx5_Cw 7kM2tFPgDdtyil7VnFVLQxpWHH89aQXgVNj3ZbynhYUJ_kdpcWbhiV_jSy_Nnl9o24WK9uTECsOS 4KVPmvac0zvyuph2y2l4s6cO1jrcq2B9klu3fqC9874xYgSaLzCKsz_dDYqN7KN2n3wVJjo.OgEnP Received: by 66.196.80.151; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 21:42:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 21:42:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Chad To: Andrew Uprichard , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <007501cff487$35920cc0$a0b62640$@uprichard.net> Subject: Re: [TR] grommet woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here are some sources:B http://www.harborfreight.com/180-piece-harness-grommet-set-67582.ht mlB B B Go to Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & moreB and search for "Grommet Assortment".B There is a boat load of them for under $10.B | B | | B | | B | B | B | B | B | | Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, C...Online shopping from the earth's biggest selection of books, magazines, music, DVDs, videos, electronics, computers, software, apparel & accessories, shoes, jewelry... | | | | View on www.amazon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | B | B Chad in Tulsa From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: [TR] grommet woes These TR3s have grommets everywhere:B in the frame, under the gas tank, in the firewall, for the wiring harness.B I find I am always looking for one or another.B I know Moss sells individual ones, but is anyone aware of a source where I could get "a bunch" ? Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Oct 31 20:52:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3440B2580BB7 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:52:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2FB258065E for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:49:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([173.59.227.86]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NEC00KQYANEF2O0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 31 Oct 2014 21:52:29 -0500 (CDT) a=Q5LpmvqqKKToKYF3dbIN7Q==:117 a=u9EReRu7m0cA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=8A7brI4kjU8C6ETGAX3PRdgeao0=:19 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=y47fZ-WoAAAA:20 a=JAralIE_AAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=5XgLZVs7AAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=czq4-BAGAAAA:8 a=AiE2Mh-JsEkbjZsDD74A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Tluay0ij9KoA:10 a=yHmpGuN2Kb8A:10 a=G_5s8neSAAAA:8 a=mUnPXthvc-ZywlgQKl8A:9 a=kycWKP6oGc8OVXEi:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:52:10 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: nass@yahoogroups.com, "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <01a401cfa6e1$ea0e1e80$be2a5b80$@com> <540A8812.3040103@verizon.net> Subject: [TR] overdrive Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ...can anyone tell me the physical dimension of the recess area from the main top deck for the single rail overdrive transmission rear mount? That is to say...I need to know the depth of the recess from the top surface of a stock rear o/d mount plate. The rest I can measure off the frame tia ptegler On 9/6/2014 12:05 AM, ptegler ptegler@verizon.net [nass] wrote: > > > well another road trip has come and gone. > Man oh man did we luck out with the weather again. Perhaps a bit hot > in the sun but beaUTIFUL weather, GREAT roads, great friends... > For me around 910 miles round trip. > no break downs or road hazards, even no traffic considering it was > Labor Day weekend! > some vintage footage of a 39 year old car on the track > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_4y0NMcNg > (no...the audio has not been edited!) > > Paul G and I have just thrown a crap load of photos from the weekend up > Paul G's > https://www.flickr.com/photos/125133072@N02/sets/72157647210921155/ > and mine > https://www.flickr.com/photos/27555058@N05/sets/72157647285869245/ > > > ...we're thinking the PVGP for 2015! > > ptegler > > > > > __._,_.___ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Posted by: ptegler > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> To unsubscribe send an empty email to: nass-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >> NASS List Home Site nasshq resources http://www.nasshq.org > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > Yahoo! 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