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http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/575023e792d5723e748f8st01vuc ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 2 21:03:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DEF259F969 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:03:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1992664650 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2016 19:47:36 -0600 (MDT) bh=8ugaeYDMy2ldUvBiKSU1Q/jiGb70S+eKVP/m5Q6zFn4=; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject; b=j9l78yru9do6E/1995ajTVaZ4NDU3Z2sMK0se9hXJe8+XbuLKFVBNYMNT2vw6PS5s mBvaRmZ+1ywm8EIvjtIrMV1L/pkYtkXAWQQwNUbvvhdDWtO11BURv2uOGSbJNUGBj2 J5LU08PgREzJuMW6Wj3KoEXlJ+FjW23M7zmWZYNe0HytkhqmkFfilaURWhFevTmvNh DpQodB2bB7lXEBvEAryAmWc/DJCySdpXKfDSqbw0hBnPgNGzobfOgU4jsE5yRAUcWG j5vT+4vCQ0le0XobrwH6OXt0chWhlLaYOznGsbMrj956oHMxLRz7gGCmsw4Kf/FlVY RIUeWmIKt+uRg== Authentication-Results: mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net smtp.user=rpeglow; auth=pass (LOGIN) a=5Ep4DgwJXaJ20JWcXaKsPA==:117 a=5Ep4DgwJXaJ20JWcXaKsPA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=+GGgEctla0Atsv6V580Pc7StXZc=:19 a=Hli41eb7cOoA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=w1HzI4JgAAAA:8 a=NoAKp6exAAAA:8 a=1g5NVHVag-8tfw2zgvQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NqR0yq8N2lkA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=VLD50mIZpYHNl_NnQqX8:22 a=i8Eb2DNvP5zbpCQh4tHX:22 a=wUurXcvb9BuxnLFa7jaQ:22 Received: from [167.206.10.48] ([167.206.10.48:33458] helo=vwm18.srv.hcvlny.cv.net) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTPA id 1E/02-22125-BF3E0575; Thu, 02 Jun 2016 21:57:15 -0400 Received: from [69.126.235.217] by webtop.webmail.optimum.net with HTTP; Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:57:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Peglow To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net References: User-Agent: Laszlo Mail 3 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got it! On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 02:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to > triumphs@autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > triumphs-request@autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > triumphs-owner@autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. No mail (Phil Bacon) > 2. Re: No mail (Wbeech@flash.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:16:08 GMT > From: "Phil Bacon" > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] No mail > Message-ID: <20160602.081608.30568.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > testing > ____________________________________________________________ > Nextiva vFAX > Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/575023e792d5723e748f8st01vuc > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 09:21:38 -0500 > From: "Wbeech@flash.net" To: Phil Bacon > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] No mail > Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Test received here > Sent from my VIC-64 > > On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Phil Bacon wrote: > > testing > ____________________________________________________________ > Nextiva vFAX > Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/575023e792d5723e748f8st01vuc > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 129 > **************************************** > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 3 07:49:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BFB2592139 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s5.hotmail.com [65.55.116.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CE62628854 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 06:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W6 ([65.55.116.72]) by BLU004-OMC3S5.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 3 Jun 2016 05:41:13 -0700 From: Rich White To: Phil Bacon , TR owners List Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 07:41:12 -0500 Importance: Normal References: <20160602.081608.30568.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> FILETIME=[365E6DF0:01D1BD95] Subject: Re: [TR] No mail Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7835280207095124048== boundary="_061514b5-3087-4472-a871-6c729b044473_" --_061514b5-3087-4472-a871-6c729b044473_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A TEST!!I did not know we were having a test. I did not study! What will th= is do to my grade? Rich White Central=2C IL USA=20 '63 TR3B TCF###L=20 That ain't a scrap pile=2C that is my car!=20 > From: pboldtrix@juno.com > Date: Thu=2C 2 Jun 2016 12:16:08 +0000 > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] No mail >=20 > testing > ____________________________________________________________ > Nextiva vFAX > Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/575023e792d5723e748f8st01vuc >=20 > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhit= etr3b@hotmail.com = --_061514b5-3087-4472-a871-6c729b044473_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A TEST!!
I did not know = we were having a test. =3B
I did not study! =3B
What will this do to my grade?

Rich White Central=2C IL USA =
'63 TR3B TCF###L
That ain't a scrap pile=2C that is my car!

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No problem Rich, it's graded on the cu= rve. 

Sent from my VIC-64
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Rich White <rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com> wrote:

=

A TEST!!
I did not know we were having a test. = ;
I did not study! 
What will this do to my grade?<= /div>

Rich White Central, IL USA
'63 TR3B TCF###L
That ain't= a scrap pile, that is my car!


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= --Apple-Mail-699A19A1-CBC8-4120-B225-C82EEE5F1AF3-- --===============2281595677330421466== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============2281595677330421466==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 3 14:45:09 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090502685FEE for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 14:45:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io0-f176.google.com (mail-io0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57FC26E49E4 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:16:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-io0-f176.google.com with SMTP id p194so85740604iod.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2016 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+Ss4B3mqoQZWyEUJmUxAuMnnR3Osw0ZMGG5AOGcKqN4=; b=XyjDSSt+3sefYA3emcOW/8S3DvvSi1nVVXWmt4h6BL7DmLq89Pm+5/MRdNakBiFVhp JPVb2QEws1++UjnI70UlhAHksKthHlmhZ3TclMWdgccF2E72WQx9QzP/IEVs+plO+Zu2 oDPfe/p2JVdM93ii7vSSupSYvq1YpGhanqzH8ZqTVzZHpkYcrYTO6oq60peovrY6GLDN INYolDTXxYeJA7ilfR74eZhHrkJj3snPFj1hLxZAGvNNKzkqj/KO34ovE3nFWr3dQ4lI uqYnfownZPgZ6zFgicdjwplgOopoAnBPS4fHkCmRbwsJzAYL2J1OMvFSGXaR9Qug08xd sPHw== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+Ss4B3mqoQZWyEUJmUxAuMnnR3Osw0ZMGG5AOGcKqN4=; b=ItMZQ/Z3N9Vo06Ipc29PIsnlORcjRdresrbZgB+09OU9cDZmxRtx1Hyh6Sb+zwTQI8 vbG7kiYBmqq6CkW9kEeOX31LFzoaDfTfKoK/EeVVwlWn7vyrvyv9zCr5Fd3Ur+whvWUF 0ksktk8aFboNidTstAipgzwKOFEIsOD9W+79pQ69evuQVTjvTxOfhPTnFHnWLx5+ZWaF jg9/Xkr+XuCe77vB4I6BU7vdL6fYMSAT5KHM6BYjtr3MZoO6aubQ8Klvr1MPot52rGan rPn1oHWxoAGl+zbgdNLNwveqx5cGmzL+tJntnLtd4M7TbC9IBxPhXwIi0D5sOjeJX2BP 83rw== 03 Jun 2016 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.76.213 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <20160602.081608.30568.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> From: Hoyt Duff Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 15:25:39 -0400 To: "Wbeech@flash.net" Cc: TR owners List Subject: Re: [TR] No mail Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have the answer key available for sale or trade for TR2 parts. On 6/3/16, Wbeech@flash.net wrote: > No problem Rich, it's graded on the curve. > > Sent from my VIC-64 > > On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Rich White wrote: > > > A TEST!! > I did not know we were having a test. > I did not study! > What will this do to my grade? > > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > > >> From: pboldtrix@juno.com >> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 12:16:08 +0000 >> To: triumphs@autox.team.net >> Subject: [TR] No mail >> >> testing >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Nextiva vFAX >> Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/575023e792d5723e748f8st01vuc >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > -- Hoyt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 3 19:06:39 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6356F26E7925 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 19:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0691825D8D3B for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2016 17:40:58 -0600 (MDT) t=1464997838; bh=Sy/Dgr/1+sIlC5MQda3Of27H+dudDD2WZTlJOmq0usc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=TQOga7R80nkgqX16SAHD5SpIHYwNhAeoIoNRKqH2+BUKZkK+Y1SjG/jUvvfSDmBeio8JpyvkZszjG3qK4Dhsy9vsi4LjJu1Uc/tIiOGosBqVlMQXeRDVZ7UyRR00I9lMSYuPgyU94poP4OI/fUQT54AO3pEpAOUWJuWU1zQ4UB4AtEyvBbPZZDS34okIzkwowphOVaDHRKM5uSeZKVCfBZx7dsIkoaC/Qm8tRpk2IWuoA562KLn2l8+kmYK0gIT2Hzfi6e1K3kq2F4RVPkeRUFpKxlMqoXorNdCf+87icZr/m1QJJHZI43VSHyZZnqah3EpK94Z0H1U72uVhHhyUiw== Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2016 23:50:38 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.47] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2016 23:50:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2016 23:50:38 -0000 BMMAuzhvM4r2lFZkEkQxW2B2Uc5vOHkNy3B.Z8uiTG7f0MVCU7uYQNB5PPR2 T4IBi69ie4BuXf_y8kJCA8AUtgOWBwlFyDDAeVt.HFK_m5.FEtrOtmCqcgru 0DHLFvSw4Sr6H0mXKZohGtx85vKFKdEZ4SiSObvQQtURWYeuBmCSCljl5UbP mPQWPNDLnx.ptNxxg6lxdmeAzzJbIS57dtl9jwZtb3N721U8GYFT_8Gtqlyn 7jzI_E0F_wbyLu5Xg.Nq4iUtfrEFiDV7ANU.BC3wtxgbiCn8UqWBPbZXzgAF BaytdOIO_D1uND7ZGjZFKMtx7BXGd8FY0EpEqIZt7tTTOJhLrOCN1MDRLKmn Wb1s9ddfby6Dlm0htstN.jSSuCf3hJNNf4entzgBMtOx3sQWSqRt1Va4SNcM Dn9qyB3sysk1pFkcEonJRc.mmI.9zC.J_y6v7VYsCrbDLCA0ygYV3gy31H.G 0FhmjqL4B From: "Bill Brewer" To: Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 16:50:30 -0700 Thread-Index: AdG98aoG9vuX3gGbRwSMCfXxfBZQdQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Torque Wrench Opinions? Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4612370102859404031== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1BDB8.0D45B7C0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1BDB8.0D45B7C0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using a no-name =BD=94 torque wrench for the last 35 = years. It is starting to make grinding noises when you try to set the torque = settings=85 I have been looking to get a good torque wrench for the engine I am = about to start assembling for my Morgan +4. Anybody have some advice or = experience? I was looking on Ebay and they have new Sears Craftsman = =93micro-clicker=94 torque wrenches for about $100. They have Tekton brand ones for about half = that. They have Harbor Freight brand ones (Central and Pittsburgh) for under = $30. There are some Duralast wrenches (Autozone brand=85) for about $30. They = have used Snap-On and Proto wrenches between $100 and $200. Not sure I would trust a used torque wrench. I like both Proto and Snap-On tools, = although I can=92t really afford new ones. Anyone have any advice or recent experience on torque wrenches? TIA, =20 -Bill Brewer ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1BDB8.0D45B7C0 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=A0=A0=A0=A0 I = have been using a no-name =BD” torque wrench for the last 35 = years. It is starting to make grinding noises when you try to set the = torque settings… I have been looking to get a good torque wrench = for the engine I am about to start assembling for my Morgan +4. Anybody = have some advice or experience? I was looking on Ebay and they have new = Sears Craftsman “micro-clicker” torque wrenches for about = $100. They have Tekton brand ones for about half that. They have Harbor = Freight brand ones (Central and Pittsburgh) for under $30. There are = some Duralast wrenches (Autozone brand…) for about $30. They have = used Snap-On and Proto wrenches between $100 and $200. Not sure I would = trust a used torque wrench. I like both Proto and Snap-On tools, = although I can’t really afford new = ones.

=A0=A0=A0=A0 Anyone have = any advice or recent experience on torque = wrenches?

=A0=A0=A0=A0 = TIA,

 

=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Bill = Brewer

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D1BDB8.0D45B7C0-- --===============4612370102859404031== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4612370102859404031==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 4 09:55:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBF12625024 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 09:55:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA37270BE0C for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 09:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.14.207]) by p3plsmtpa12-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 2fTF1t0034U2ebq01fTGiE; Sat, 04 Jun 2016 08:27:16 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 11:27:45 -0400 Thread-Index: AdG+dUb3Viu7JkhgSRSOmDXmbdncwQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3508917741648752379== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01D1BE54.1E6EC040" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01D1BE54.1E6EC040 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am about to install a gas tank in a '57 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks. Wouldn't you know it - a pinhole leak at the bottom corner. In the past I have had tanks professionally "sealed", but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback. I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out there. Does anyone have experience with any of these products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01D1BE54.1E6EC040 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am about = to install a gas tank in a ’57 small-mouth and first filled it = with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn’t you know it – a = pinhole leak at the bottom corner.

 

In the past = I have had tanks professionally “sealed”, but it was = expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.

 

I see = Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out = there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  = Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01D1BE54.1E6EC040-- --===============3508917741648752379== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3508917741648752379==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 4 12:45:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6A326FC0E3 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:45:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mtaout004-public.msg.strl.va.charter.net (mtaout004-public.msg.strl.va.charter.net [68.114.190.29]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504D82591F96 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 11:57:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from impout005 ([68.114.189.20]) by mtaout004.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.023.01 201-2473-194) with ESMTP id <20160604180704.QLKU22921.mtaout004.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout005>; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:07:04 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([68.118.178.234]) by impout005 with charter.net id 2i711t00953pTqU01i71Qc; Sat, 04 Jun 2016 13:07:04 -0500 a=qX2Wi9iYX8TwFLBXVUZ7tg==:117 a=qX2Wi9iYX8TwFLBXVUZ7tg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=oQtZUzWIAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=lPgzNpBMNNbFSYyLsUQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=GptkkpooqSsA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=ww1hemUqAEkFlatEgIUA:9 a=N1VYgbj2eSIrf0Wy:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=k5JkIBjZWsN0vnCTms9a:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00c601d1be75$a57ed9a0$f07c8ce0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 14:07:01 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFG9l4/Nybolp2SH4aS76DtheinAqDvKjew Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4456247763526860080== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1BE6A.5F170510" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1BE6A.5F170510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have used a tank sealing compound from "The Shop" on several old farm tractors and it has worked fine. Small holes are sealed and any remaining rust gets locked in place. http://www.theshopproducts.com/products_gastank.html Alex Thomson From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:28 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair I am about to install a gas tank in a '57 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks. Wouldn't you know it - a pinhole leak at the bottom corner. In the past I have had tanks professionally "sealed", but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback. I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out there. Does anyone have experience with any of these products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1BE6A.5F170510 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have used a tank sealing compound from = “The Shop” on several old farm tractors and it has worked = fine. Small holes are sealed and any remaining rust gets locked in = place.

http://www.= theshopproducts.com/products_gastank.html

 

Alex = Thomson

 

From:= = Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 11:28 = AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas = tank repair

 

I am about = to install a gas tank in a ’57 small-mouth and first filled it = with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn’t you know it – a = pinhole leak at the bottom corner.

 

In the past = I have had tanks professionally “sealed”, but it was = expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.

 

I see = Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out = there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  = Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1BE6A.5F170510-- --===============4456247763526860080== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4456247763526860080==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 4 14:22:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F3D26651A9 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 14:22:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (fed1rmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BE825F0CC6 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:34:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110.cox.net ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20160604184424.PUKR27016.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110.cox.net> for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 14:44:24 -0400 Received: from LAPTOPNJ28FDBP ([72.193.116.19]) by fed1rmimpo110.cox.net with cox id 2ikP1t00F0RBBsg01ikPru; Sat, 04 Jun 2016 14:44:23 -0400 reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 a=QW0vpK8vsoTeF/mLym4d3A==:117 a=QW0vpK8vsoTeF/mLym4d3A==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=hkkbiONEDG-aDjon1DsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=E1IA1BCGINUml5pJdGYA:9 a=F8EoF8fl0ozF9nVD:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00c601d1be75$a57ed9a0$f07c8ce0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 11:44:16 -0700 Thread-Index: AdG+dUb3Viu7JkhgSRSOmDXmbdncwQAG48Ow Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2676404934754742471== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01D1BE56.6CEF1DD0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D1BE56.6CEF1DD0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny, I'm pulling the tank out of my '57 today. Same problem. I've had it pressure tested and repaired twice. I'm ordering a new one on Monday..... Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:28 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair I am about to install a gas tank in a '57 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks. Wouldn't you know it - a pinhole leak at the bottom corner. In the past I have had tanks professionally "sealed", but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback. I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out there. Does anyone have experience with any of these products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01D1BE56.6CEF1DD0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Funny,

 

 

I’m = pulling the tank out of my ’57 today.  Same = problem.

 

I’ve had it pressure tested = and repaired twice.  I’m ordering a new one on = Monday………….

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>Jonas = Payne

PBR Consulting Services, = LLC

702.882.6711

=

 

From: Triumphs = [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew = Uprichard
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:28 AM
To: = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas tank = repair

 

I am about = to install a gas tank in a ’57 small-mouth and first filled it = with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn’t you know it – a = pinhole leak at the bottom corner.

 

In the past = I have had tanks professionally “sealed”, but it was = expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.

 

I see = Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out = there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  = Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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When I did the restoration on my TR250 I us= ed Eastwoods Kit, my tank wasn't leaking, but I did it as a preventative me= asure. If I recall the process has 3 steps. There is a step where you use a= cid to clean the inside so be careful. I threw a handful of nuts and bolts = in the tank to help dislodge any rust during the acid step while agitating = and flipping the tank. Make sure its sealed well. Then I believe the next s= tep was a phosphate solution and after that the latex. It was a bit la= borious but totally doable.


On Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:21 PM, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@= uprichard.net> wrote:


I am about to install a gas tank in a =E2=80=9957 small= -mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn=E2=80= =99t you know it =E2=80=93 a pinhole leak at the bottom corner.
 
In the past I have had tanks professionally =E2=80=9Csealed=E2=80= =9D, but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.
 
I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has on= e out there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products o= r suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  Thanks!

Andr= ew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan


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If I do decide on a new one, I will get an = aluminum one from Jorge in San Diego.  Bought from him before and = both times I was well pleased.

 

Andrew = Uprichard

 

From:= = Jonas Payne [mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, June = 04, 2016 2:44 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Gas tank = repair

 

Funny,

 

 

I’m = pulling the tank out of my ’57 today.  Same = problem.

 

I’ve had it pressure tested and repaired = twice.  I’m ordering a new one on = Monday………….

 

Jonas = Payne

PBR Consulting Services, = LLC

702.882.6711

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@a= utox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: = Saturday, June 4, 2016 8:28 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair

 

I am about = to install a gas tank in a ’57 small-mouth and first filled it = with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn’t you know it – a = pinhole leak at the bottom corner.

 

In the past = I have had tanks professionally “sealed”, but it was = expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.

 

I see = Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out = there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  = Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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The best thing is to solder it up.  I use a large electric soldering iron.  Of course you will want to rinse the tank thoroughly first to remove all fuel/vapors.

Edward Hamer
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 --------------010405010401060700000309-- --===============8436238306889049217== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8436238306889049217==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 4 19:19:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37752704ED7 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 19:19:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05FB266B304 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 17:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.139.240]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MJUI1-1bAi3p3E3n-0035Tp; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 01:55:35 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "Tim Moore" , "Andrew Uprichard" , References: <00c601d1be75$a57ed9a0$f07c8ce0$@uprichard.net> <233290498.5203996.1465066037592.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 19:55:32 -0400 Importance: Normal mCazH0ZoCoD/7RhRT0FiuD09nQe9ewMo7PsPF30fTQkVn4N8CISsvpLOYdn6U9WAMQFIypv 0f41pXyAhOSf7rube8Rj0XA/Ke/uWUK3LwdftIEfkgez4OA4wJ8oConlq+6ryWm3cK5Ow/D F+yOcwB1l/tFRTQTLMwgw== J00GLT4lfQ1gQ+Zp4bassSbenw4Jn9XAhV22TdsTGyC7X+aAgFOG2M0y9lq/SIkZYaVVOGQ1e s/IUbODf826/NjXC2OGLc7FmbMWIEO86RMJth0JBptoA9d4SIjcY44ZF87YOJ4P3MXuVtQL7x 1QLerJQouBZvduQTlMcoixFmkn0PU7ySOec/uAn0IDJypzjsZUchXGX/37FxM6mCk5rwz8ykv qepUk3XqGK7WcGD+EDglZW2bT+PJIX/oN0JeXXDC/qyQgtGaIvjRumFJ32Ukskps1+QlWQBXR rvtIo0n4vwOmN6qqo00gIto1vQxVPCxDlZOLU4210Gtgq94Oih+MWXJjVUem43hLVGtgi1afy 8K8HxgGVr8Sb1SKky8E4a36QZe6WLQgctMomepdfq0Mdijhc1FAgnZGcZ3GFkxFXcMsO086xi b1kYRW1s5a4jP+UA9vu+aGqx+c6HhZLoCSLInoEIKMYKKI/8Y1ud5PcfAfvDePEduJ+TkmdC6 uVeD1Ltv+MT+sQu6TvEhRjsQNa2wNuG+Q8MWBwEPMjct8mvcMz5BYy12wv4FEGWUqXmdshli6 6ZFBnbgH+cmD6s0Lk2VR21N+SlEtGKJHKHtYFnQ6jelCQbCPA+LeveOGFtiJs3W4eNDiYp/4n dWdTYSDV9veqreuSVIP8VJcJa1mb0bvKXND547YBqNKFxXaYZlgFOv7Enf8JPxtB/oajUZvv3 41rQp7WdRD5JltyG Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8507888137965978065== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01D1BE9B.0D753B10" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D1BE9B.0D753B10 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In almost 19 years of ownership I=E2=80=99ve been left stranded only = once that required a flatbed ride home..... and that was when something = very very small in my tank wedged in and totally blocked the tank = outlet. For that reason alone I won=E2=80=99t ever use a tank coating. = They may all guarantee their product or their workmanship but if = something does flake off and strand you, that guarantee does no good = until you get the tow ride home.... My two cents.... Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 CF38503U TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs From: Tim Moore=20 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 2:47 PM To: Andrew Uprichard ; triumphs@autox.team.net=20 Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair When I did the restoration on my TR250 I used Eastwoods Kit, my tank = wasn't leaking, but I did it as a preventative measure. If I recall the = process has 3 steps. There is a step where you use acid to clean the = inside so be careful. I threw a handful of nuts and bolts in the tank to = help dislodge any rust during the acid step while agitating and flipping = the tank. Make sure its sealed well. Then I believe the next step was a = phosphate solution and after that the latex. It was a bit laborious but = totally doable. On Saturday, June 4, 2016 1:21 PM, Andrew Uprichard = wrote: I am about to install a gas tank in a =E2=80=9957 small-mouth and first = filled it with gas to check for leaks. Wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it = =E2=80=93 a pinhole leak at the bottom corner. In the past I have had tanks professionally =E2=80=9Csealed=E2=80=9D, = but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback. I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one = out there. Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/timthebold@ameritech.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.= org ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D1BE9B.0D753B10 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In almost 19 years of ownership I=E2=80=99ve been left stranded = only once that=20 required a flatbed ride home..... and that was when something very very = small in=20 my tank wedged in and totally blocked the tank outlet. For that reason = alone I=20 won=E2=80=99t ever use a tank coating. They may all guarantee their = product or their=20 workmanship but if something does flake off and strand you, that = guarantee does=20 no good until you get the tow ride home....
 
My two cents....
 
Bob
Bob=20 Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
1975 Mimosa=20 TR6
CF38503U
TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs
 
 
From: Tim Moore
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 2:47 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard ; triumphs@autox.team.net =
Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair
 
When I did the = restoration on my=20 TR250 I used Eastwoods Kit, my tank wasn't leaking, but I did it as a=20 preventative measure. If I recall the process has 3 steps. There is a = step where=20 you use acid to clean the inside so be careful. I threw a handful of = nuts and=20 bolts in the tank to help dislodge any rust during the acid step while = agitating=20 and flipping the tank. Make sure its sealed well. Then I believe the = next step=20 was a phosphate solution and after that the latex. It was a bit = laborious but=20 totally doable.


On Saturday, June 4, 2016 = 1:21 PM, Andrew=20 Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> = wrote:


I am about to install a gas tank in = a =E2=80=9957=20 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks.  = Wouldn=E2=80=99t you=20 know it =E2=80=93 a pinhole leak at the bottom corner.
 
In the past I have had tanks = professionally=20 =E2=80=9Csealed=E2=80=9D, but it was expensive and I have heard mixed = feedback.
 
I see Eastwood advertising gas tank = repair=20 products and Permatex has one out there.  Does anyone have = experience with=20 any of these products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the = issue? =20 Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson,=20 Michigan


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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01D1BE9B.0D753B10-- --===============8507888137965978065== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8507888137965978065==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 7 00:42:03 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8F72585CAB for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 00:42:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f46.google.com (mail-oi0-f46.google.com [209.85.218.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD8E26C0B70 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 10:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f46.google.com with SMTP id e72so194626304oib.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:31:02 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:thread-index :content-language; bh=0nbyvOgqgBinqWkUEei3pzTT9uh4lV1r+iIfEUqdfpk=; b=g2GxFYpSznkcFS+B/bsFcGkbDOLQMXLFfWLeLmZuLn/N//WrZxTzT+X67arxL3atyE hZsszG/I/A+7dZy/ve0JGh0d9YVTqyd3k10o8GQFIpbIU0qZw+M24KFTWSK32SbUG2ix qAuyoOFv4qZdh0O1dbBgTra6a45cYlBaHRMN1gUE0sQPCOt53shhIADpgYf92k+AK4qh pwNN78/Xib8vp5BMZD4V/LH7EciLo8OOpsMwdaicB7N1WUw04ObNUoDZ5JnCjR8HBb/3 sqxkLANyU2zPd9nIoIuJzej23RxgW985EOZ0LcPqR7eIadqU/u68c+i+XUqOEBV0gjeE Mleg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :thread-index:content-language; bh=0nbyvOgqgBinqWkUEei3pzTT9uh4lV1r+iIfEUqdfpk=; b=T1EapZKucZTvyEY+KcviSS0jN2MPTGqbiNyQhhSajk0uyG3RPEGPMrjRuFX6DDbiyT QioDaw7C1cl8wjIYgBFE25GOLC607IbVi/2fnGw1wVz3KtKdlA1VxcO2Ajsd07FuZ0Bx 8YDC+6lJZvQpkBfGW5t43jtorQ/0AAq20b+Q5Y1I3Sc5yG0EGUPqemNiMWMpPWQKOxHp ZMWLDfNwwpgTNEIpp6/jejVj6Ek0CD2soAUpY/51JNN6i3dnUvF4c9H/+8VpLINzu3AO RNdqkjNw/aFrqEm/moZEVsv75R/iR9UcxFbId+Eg8eiQngSj3H10lp1NqSEoomhTbTn0 iSsQ== Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip24-250-201-122.ga.at.cox.net. [24.250.201.122]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 99sm8388664otf.36.2016.06.05.09.30.51 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jun 2016 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:30:52 -0400 Thread-Index: AdG/RslrwA3a/haBTLSG5Qh/gBh5zA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2408830577146471127== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0130_01D1BF26.19B94610" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01D1BF26.19B94610 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from TRF. It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the simple question. I have the cables attached to both carbs securely. When I pull out the choke via the choke knob, the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off position. I have tried this installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free). Both times the choke will not stay on. I thought the original choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two positions. There are two holes on the metal assembly. What am I missing here. Thanks so much, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 73 Jag XKE 76 Celica GT ------=_NextPart_000_0130_01D1BF26.19B94610 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a = brand new one from TRF.  It has been a while since I changed one, = so please forgive the simple question.  I have the cables attached = to both carbs securely.  When I pull out the choke via the choke = knob,  the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The = springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off = position.  I have tried this installed in dash and now not = installed in the dash (hanging below free).  Both times the choke = will not stay on.  I thought the original choke cable had two holes = that engaged the choke open at two positions.  There are two holes = on the metal assembly.  What am I missing here.  =

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

62 = TR4

75 TR6

73 Jag XKE

76 = Celica GT

  =

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Andrew -

FYI - The last time= I spoke with Jorge (about a month ago) he said he was retiring soon and gi= ving up the business.=C2=A0 Mainly just closing out his inventory now.

I do not know him well enough to say whether he means = that or just says that sort of thing from time to time.

Geo

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Andrew Uprichard <= ;auprichard@u= prichard.net> wrote:

If I do decide on a new one, I will get = an aluminum one from Jorge in San Diego.=C2=A0 Bought from him before and b= oth times I was well pleased.

=C2=A0

Andrew Uprichard<= /u>

=C2=A0

From: Jonas Payne [mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net]
Sent: Satu= rday, June 04, 2016 2:44 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@autox.team= .net
Subject: RE: [TR] Gas tank repair

=C2=A0

Funny,

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m pulling the tank out of my =E2=80=9957 today.=C2=A0 Same pro= blem.

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve had it pressure tested and repaired twice.= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m ordering a new one on Monday=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6= =E2=80=A6.

=C2=A0

=

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting Services, LLC

<= a href=3D"tel:702.882.6711" target=3D"_blank" value=3D"+17028826711">702.88= 2.6711

=C2=A0

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces= @autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: S= aturday, June 4, 2016 8:28 AM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair

= =C2=A0

I am about to install a gas = tank in a =E2=80=9957 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for= leaks.=C2=A0 Wouldn=E2=80=99t you know it =E2=80=93 a pinhole leak at the = bottom corner.

=C2=A0=

In the past I have had tanks professionally =E2= =80=9Csealed=E2=80=9D, but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback= .

=C2=A0

I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Perm= atex has one out there.=C2=A0 Does anyone have experience with any of these= products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?=C2=A0 Thanks!<= br>
Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Mi= chigan



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Received a call from the Penn Grade rep who helped me find a local dealer. Turned out to be a racing engine garage about 2 miles away from home. My previous supplier of Brad Penn went out of business. I paid 75$ a case. The case still has Brad Penn as well as Penn Grade printed on the box. 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Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============6071410511634231051== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01D1C039.E2721050" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01D1C039.E2721050 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Help me out here, someone. With a recent car came a box of clutch parts, including new clutches, throw-out bearings and sleeves, from TR3s, 4s and 4As. Am I right in thinking: 1. TR3 and 4 clutch, 3 fingers: TR4A, diaphragm style 2. TR3 and 4 throw-out bearing, flat surface: TR4A, domed surface 3. The bronze sleeve for the 4A sleeve is about a quarter-inch wider than the 3 and 4. Maybe it is just old age ! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, MI ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01D1C039.E2721050 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Help me out = here, someone.  With a recent car came a box of clutch parts, = including new clutches, throw-out bearings and sleeves, from TR3s, 4s = and 4As.  Am I right in thinking:

1.       =  TR3 and 4  clutch, 3 fingers:  = TR4A, diaphragm style

2.       TR3 = and 4 throw-out bearing, flat surface:  TR4A, domed = surface

3.       The = bronze sleeve for the 4A sleeve is about a quarter-inch wider than the 3 = and 4.

 

Maybe it is just old age !

Andrew = Uprichard

Jackson, = MI

------=_NextPart_000_0131_01D1C039.E2721050-- --===============6071410511634231051== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6071410511634231051==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 7 08:15:44 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72937258779C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 08:15:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4561325AE9EE for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 20:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id s139so17577070oie.2 for ; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:04:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3vyzA5Uya1gZRSMIGkXDiq/HrwCBhiKJSXbMERbQ4hw=; b=TycypFY9bdUwjBFTXLyHm1AKiW4/v89WIo3z0HV/5DvQCpUqFBm4ZHAsRAMVWe9uSi tduKXQ+9xWKs6EpJ7qLT9LpgV+L2thR5cnvPcVjKaz/IoiRrfz7k8BwH5PKn0N4a++L6 +Nj/q1ZwTkq65ar7x4wVuvbPKqNAJ/lqPw3YMTCq8tOXkukypNDZrBAcPyhc7Y9Cl3gr xdh69VCGCY5S9N1/mgpwyDgPuZ0jEvXGS4IaqP/bhv8FPa93Lj6GuuuwrCXjqcCv01cw 9YyV1LlMVeEoLdERn+ixvxrCU2kh7tai4LTwDafOfzgjLyB4W88gQmCEt9063qqDc6XR J2Aw== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3vyzA5Uya1gZRSMIGkXDiq/HrwCBhiKJSXbMERbQ4hw=; b=cBZIn9lIdYmwbVWmyfTT0Im6X+dq+So5VGwyt0YtVh/WBbJ4RlVxwA6f0k5++Strpg qvN0TCmcQ/AOMJebJD1IgPLWG/2sjNwtxgnvKsrLhE9WaopKwOdgdZxDm90e3Hss/h5m O0bV0sjLP70jSHU/TotdeHRqpZygRiVzs/X822t5r8ZS5VqXaG+6KVnKAx2s5wzx0BoH fOPiWOzfBXHXtW/ztCdrddi3XZsk4WVM6rVqBCRlhTqbsIlZfRsuVIIwnq8AU/Pg0mFw fNLLZJnavqxtrBIBWIrw9PXlON5tWNRQShModK5vpTPoQeJ3zxW2aq/9SaHe2CVX9fVG k8yA== Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.157.45.198 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:49:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lee&John Howard" Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:49:41 -0700 To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] Miata Seats in a TR4 Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0735106611459086042== --001a113de8de388fcc05348ef10d For those late Tr4 owners out there who've been admiring the Miata seats in the occasional Tr6, I'd like to report that they also work well in a Tr4. Mine is a '65, and the seats I found were from a 1990 Miata. There are two installation kits available ( as far as I know), one from Joe Alexander at http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/ and the other from Rick Patton at http:// pattonmachine.com. I found that the ARE kit did not place the seat far enough inward to maximize backward travel, but that was the case on the passenger side....I didn't try it on the driver's side. Rick's brackets did set up well and the seats are now installed. I like the high head rest, that they tilt, their longer seat length and thus better thigh support, and their equivalent leg room. I had redone my seats and interior in TRF red leather, so the grey of the Miata seats tones everything down, but it still looks OK. Happy to answer any questions. John Howard --001a113de8de388fcc05348ef10d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those late Tr4 owners out the= re who've been admiring the Miata seats in the occasional Tr6, I'd like to = report that they also work well in a Tr4.

Mine is a '65, a= nd the seats I found were from a 1990 Miata. There are two installation kits availab= le ( as far as I know), one from Joe Alexander at http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/=C2=A0 and the ot= her from Rick Patton at http://pattonmachine.com.=C2=A0 I found that the ARE kit d= id not place the seat far enough inward to maximize backward travel, but th= at was the case on the passenger side....I didn't try it on the driver&= #39;s side.
Rick's brackets did set up well and the seats are= now installed.

I like the high head rest, that they tilt, the= ir longer seat length and thus better thigh support, and their equivalent l= eg room. I had redone my seats and interior in TRF red leather, so the grey of the <= span tabindex=3D"-1" id=3D":39c.39" style=3D"" class=3D"">Miata seat= s tones everything down, but it still looks OK.

Happy to answ= er any questions.

John Howard
--001a113de8de388fcc05348ef10d-- --===============0735106611459086042== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0735106611459086042==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 7 08:20:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2143D2587992 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 08:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AECF927292BA for ; Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:13:32 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=P+jCLjxICblNmop7A3oVVg==:117 a=P+jCLjxICblNmop7A3oVVg==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=o5ZjAtKvAAAA:20 a=EHKDHVNu2nky6lG9g6YA:9 a=U3sL-ygCbXUA:10 a=voZrjb6_8qcA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=DG5Na18sjQd0ETeOYuEA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.94.237] ([74.215.94.237:57619] helo=LAPTOPU0PVRTNI) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 88/42-32160-12C74575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:23:13 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "Triumphs" Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 15:23:51 -0400 Thread-Index: AdG/X0cQZxZaoPq9QNeLYVLD/weUIQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Rear Shock noise solved.. Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1001557161938751751== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01D1BF3E.440DFCE0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D1BF3E.440DFCE0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I found out what was making the banging noise in the back of my TR4A. Here is the saga for today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjwrq_y2njA It turns out this was the source of not only the banging but pretty much every other noise.. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D1BF3E.440DFCE0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well,

I found out = what was making the banging noise in the back of my = TR4A.

 

Here is the saga for today…

 

https://www.youtub= e.com/watch?v=3DHjwrq_y2njA

 

It turns out = this was the source of not only the banging but pretty much every other = noise..

 

Dave Connitt

’67 TR4A IRS

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D1BF3E.440DFCE0-- --===============1001557161938751751== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1001557161938751751==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 7 09:02:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E8B2587C8D for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 09:02:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout-fo.fuse.net [64.8.71.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA3C2585805 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 00:07:40 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=P+jCLjxICblNmop7A3oVVg==:117 a=P+jCLjxICblNmop7A3oVVg==:17 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=sfHLmnyYAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=m_3k4R8K7Qkx42IyQAAA:9 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=felpvs_RbiqiBhwEJSIA:9 a=pajSW08Euh6wZsAn:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=O0pUIxpzc3OeavZhuzFg:22 a=GGGinmgZRQXmVEG1E52S:22 a=BKKCjISod1eDJeS0ORpz:22 a=zjWhRoSqWz9hl55Hdlzg:22 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [74.215.94.237] ([74.215.94.237:58353] helo=LAPTOPU0PVRTNI) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 46/43-32160-6E694575; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 17:17:26 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <00c601d1be75$a57ed9a0$f07c8ce0$@uprichard.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:18:04 -0400 Thread-Index: AQFG9l4/Nybolp2SH4aS76DtheinAqDw8Jzw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Gas tank repair Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7662040665315931877== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01D1BF4E.38B86D20" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D1BF4E.38B86D20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew, I used the Eastwood kit on my tank about 3 years ago but first I had the tank chemically cleaned at a local metal refinisher where they dip the parts in some kind of nasty material that removes everything down to clean metal. I think it cost me about $100.00 for the cleaning. He put some kind of phosphorous coating on the bare metal to retard rusting. When I got it back the inside and outside was spotless and it actually didn't leak! That was a good starting point for the kit. It's all painted on the outside and coated on the inside so it should be good to go for as long as I have it. LOL Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://davestr4a.com YouTube: DavesTR4A From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:28 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Gas tank repair I am about to install a gas tank in a '57 small-mouth and first filled it with gas to check for leaks. Wouldn't you know it - a pinhole leak at the bottom corner. In the past I have had tanks professionally "sealed", but it was expensive and I have heard mixed feedback. I see Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out there. Does anyone have experience with any of these products or suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01D1BF4E.38B86D20 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Andrew,

I used the Eastwood kit on my = tank about 3 years ago but first I had the tank chemically cleaned at a = local metal refinisher where they dip the parts in some kind of nasty = material that removes everything down to clean metal. I think it cost me = about $100.00 for the cleaning. He put some kind of phosphorous coating = on the bare metal to retard rusting. When I got it back the inside and = outside was spotless and it actually didn’t leak! That was a good = starting point for the kit.

It’s all painted on the outside and coated on = the inside so it should be good to go for as long as I have it. = LOL

Dave Connitt

’67 TR4A IRS

http://davestr4a.com

YouTube: DavesTR4A

 

 

 

 

 

From: Triumphs = [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew = Uprichard
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 11:28 AM
To: = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas tank = repair

 

I am about = to install a gas tank in a ’57 small-mouth and first filled it = with gas to check for leaks.  Wouldn’t you know it – a = pinhole leak at the bottom corner.

 

In the past = I have had tanks professionally “sealed”, but it was = expensive and I have heard mixed feedback.

 

I see = Eastwood advertising gas tank repair products and Permatex has one out = there.  Does anyone have experience with any of these products or = suggestions / advice on dealing with the issue?  = Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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Is yours a locking cable? Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 CF38503U TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs From: James Henningsen=20 Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net=20 Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from = TRF. It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the = simple question. I have the cables attached to both carbs securely. = When I pull out the choke via the choke knob, the cables will not stay = engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke assemblies pull = it right back to off position. I have tried this installed in dash and = now not installed in the dash (hanging below free). Both times the = choke will not stay on. I thought the original choke cable had two = holes that engaged the choke open at two positions. There are two holes = on the metal assembly. What am I missing here. =20 Thanks so much, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 73 Jag XKE 76 Celica GT =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.= org ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01D1C094.74808E90 charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the knob to = lock it=20 in place.
 
Is yours a locking cable?
 
Bob
 
Bob=20 Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
1975 Mimosa=20 TR6
CF38503U
TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs
 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question
 

I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a = brand new=20 one from TRF.  It has been a while since I changed one, so please = forgive=20 the simple question.  I have the cables attached to both carbs=20 securely.  When I pull out the choke via the choke knob,  the = cables=20 will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke = assemblies=20 pull it right back to off position.  I have tried this installed in = dash=20 and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free).  Both times = the=20 choke will not stay on.  I thought the original choke cable had two = holes=20 that engaged the choke open at two positions.  There are two holes = on the=20 metal assembly.  What am I missing here. 

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

62 TR4

75 TR6

73 Jag XKE

76 Celica GT

 


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I = would not trust sealant liners.  you never know what the feds are = going to require as additives to "gasoline" next = year.

The best thing is to solder it up.  I use a large = electric soldering iron.  Of course you will want to rinse the tank = thoroughly first to remove all fuel/vapors.

Edward = Hamer
Petaluma CA

 

=E2=80=A6 and keep the tank filled with water while you solder to = make sure there are no vapours inside.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart@bell.net

 

 

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Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Qu= estion
From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org>
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With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the k= nob to lock it in place.
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=0AI am replacing my choke cable = on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from TRF.  It has been a while since= I changed one, so please forgive the simple question.  I have the cab= les attached to both carbs securely.  When I pull out the choke via th= e choke knob,  the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The = springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off position.&nb= sp; I have tried this installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (= hanging below free).  Both times the choke will not stay on.  I t= hought the original choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open a= t two positions.  There are two holes on the metal assembly.  Wha= t am I missing here. 
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Thanks so much,
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Jim Henningsen
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[24.250.201.122]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u10sm13960972oif.29.2016.06.07.16.22.16 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jun 2016 16:22:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: "'Jack Mc'" References: <012f01d1bf47$a0ca70e0$e25f52a0$@gmail.com> <34F78178-8DC7-4716-8352-BFC1D5A764BE@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 19:22:18 -0400 Thread-Index: AQHZZQGYPRKtz2YihyEOM+tUmbpFwAJCBnZzn71L/FA= Content-Language: en-us Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4371140860726885800== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01D1C0F1.E93FD120" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01D1C0F1.E93FD120 charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack: Thanks for the note. It turns out that the choke cable from TRF is the = type that you need twist 45 degrees to the right to get it to lock. I = may have ordered an early cable by accident or maybe that is the one TRF = sells for all TR6. In any event, I like the pull and twist to lock = mechanism better than the old one I had for late model TR6. As you = stated, on that one you just pulled out and it locked where you pulled. = Jim =20 From: Jack Mc [mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 6:25 PM To: James Henningsen Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question =20 If you have return springs on your choke assemblies, you have carbs = earlier than 75 or you have return springs installed on later carbs that = did not originally have them. If you have the "correct" choke cable for = a 75, it will have solid wire cables and will not lock in place by = rotating the knob (as the earlier more flexible braided wire cables did) = and they will not hold open the chokes that have return springs. The later solid wire choke cables appear on later TR6s which did not = have chokes with return springs. Is this the problem you are fighting? = If so, you either need the earlier choke cable or you can remove the = springs from the chokes - but the earlier chokes with return springs are = not otherwise completely identical to later chokes and they won't work = perfectly without the springs. =20 Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:30 PM, James Henningsen

Jack:

Thanks for = the note.=C2=A0 It turns out that the choke cable from TRF is the type = that you need twist 45 degrees to the right to get it to lock.=C2=A0 I = may have ordered an early cable by accident or maybe that is the one TRF = sells for all TR6.=C2=A0 In any event, I like the pull and twist to lock = mechanism better than the old one I had for late model TR6.=C2=A0 As you = stated, on that one you just pulled out and it locked where you = pulled.=C2=A0

Jim

 

From: Jack Mc = [mailto:McGaheyRx@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 6:25 = PM
To: James Henningsen = <trguy75@gmail.com>
Cc: = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable = Question

 

If you = have return springs on your choke assemblies, you have carbs earlier = than 75 or you have return springs installed on later carbs that did not = originally have them. If you have the "correct" choke cable = for a 75, it will have solid wire cables and will not lock in place by = rotating the knob (as the earlier more flexible braided wire cables did) = and they will not hold open the chokes that have return springs.

The later solid wire choke = cables appear on later TR6s which did not have chokes with return = springs. Is this the problem you are fighting? If so, you either need = the earlier choke cable or you can remove the springs from the chokes - = but the earlier chokes with return springs are not otherwise completely = identical to later chokes and they won't work perfectly without the = springs.

 

Cheers,

Jack Mc

Sent from my = iPad


On Jun 5, 2016, at 12:30 PM, James = Henningsen <trguy75@gmail.com> = wrote:

I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a = brand new one from TRF.  It has been a while since I changed one, = so please forgive the simple question.  I have the cables attached = to both carbs securely.  When I pull out the choke via the choke = knob,  the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The = springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off = position.  I have tried this installed in dash and now not = installed in the dash (hanging below free).  Both times the choke = will not stay on.  I thought the original choke cable had two holes = that engaged the choke open at two positions.  There are two holes = on the metal assembly.  What am I missing here.  =

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

62 = TR4

75 TR6

73 Jag XKE

76 = Celica GT

  =

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For those late Tr4 owners out there wh= o've been admiring the Miata seats in the occasional Tr6, = I'd like to report that they also work well in a Tr4.

Mine= is a '65, and the seats I found were from a 1990 Miata. T= here are two installation kits available ( as far as I know), one from Joe = Alexander at http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/=C2=A0 and the other from Rick Patto= n at http://pattonmachine.com.=C2=A0 I found that the ARE kit did not place the seat far enough inward to=20 maximize backward travel, but that was the case on the passenger=20 side....I didn't try it on the driver's side.
Rick's = brackets did set up well and the seats are now installed.

I like the high head rest, that they tilt, their longer seat length and=20 thus better thigh support, and their equivalent leg room. I had redone=20 my seats and interior in TRF red leather, so the grey of the <= span>Miata seats tones everything down, but it still looks OK.
<= br>
Happy to answer any questions.
--001a113df536a08fe80534b36d2a-- --===============3324555114285360828== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3324555114285360828==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 8 19:42:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7873D2588AA6 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:42:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E122587E2D for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 21:49:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vz-proxy-m004.mx.aol.com ([64.236.83.8]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O8F00CU5PQEM470@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 22:59:03 -0500 (CDT) a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=MxGE3AYxAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=czq4-BAGAAAA:8 a=GPGh_ik4zFy4pFKD_GsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=aLNIlpKwCo0447baR3UA:9 a=xSF_7BRInSqvJ9Uq:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 Received: by 68.134.169.87 with SMTP id 5e80c8b7; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 03:59:02 GMT References: <012f01d1bf47$a0ca70e0$e25f52a0$@gmail.com> To: Bob Danielson <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org>, James Henningsen , triumphs@autox.team.net From: ptegler Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 23:58:56 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8370441308067098934== boundary=------------99511F2ADFE507FB8BC77EB0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------99511F2ADFE507FB8BC77EB0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...if they won't twist, ther should be a metal clip around the body you're placing in the dash with a captive ball bearing under the clip that slips into the 'holes' in the inside of the crescent shape of the knob shaft. ptegler On 6/7/2016 8:13 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the knob to > lock it in place. > Is yours a locking cable? > Bob > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ > 1975 Mimosa TR6 > CF38503U > TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs > *Sent:* Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:30 PM > *Subject:* [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question > > I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from > TRF. It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the > simple question. I have the cables attached to both carbs securely. > When I pull out the choke via the choke knob, the cables will not > stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke > assemblies pull it right back to off position. I have tried this > installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below > free). Both times the choke will not stay on. I thought the original > choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two > positions. There are two holes on the metal assembly. What am I > missing here. > > Thanks so much, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 > > 75 TR6 > > 73 Jag XKE > > 76 Celica GT > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net -- Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com --------------99511F2ADFE507FB8BC77EB0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

...if they won't twist, ther should be a metal clip around the body you're placing in the dash with a captive ball bearing under the clip that slips into the 'holes' in the inside of the crescent shape of the knob shaft.


ptegler


On 6/7/2016 8:13 AM, Bob Danielson wrote:
With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the knob to lock it in place.
 
Is yours a locking cable?
 
Bob
 
Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
1975 Mimosa TR6
CF38503U
TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs
 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question
 

I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from TRF.  It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the simple question.  I have the cables attached to both carbs securely.  When I pull out the choke via the choke knob,  the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off position.  I have tried this installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free).  Both times the choke will not stay on.  I thought the original choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two positions.  There are two holes on the metal assembly.  What am I missing here. 

Thanks so much,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

62 TR4

75 TR6

73 Jag XKE

76 Celica GT

 


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David Gill
1976 TR6
 ------=_Part_35254_1969193653.1465395326530-- --===============3081033443681146464== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3081033443681146464==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 9 11:39:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B4A2589869 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2AB2588C4F for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:14:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vz-proxy-m001.mx.aol.com ([64.236.83.14]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O8H0082HL4MXL90@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 23:14:47 -0500 (CDT) a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CBrflYKTqYRaFCeHuSkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Received: by 71.184.71.194 with SMTP id 4422777c; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 04:14:47 GMT From: "Ron L'Herault" To: References: Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 00:14:41 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AdHBOKpNqfCjNtdbTqm+aokKwHIQ7AAzJDyQ Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 132 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My 73 choke cable knob needs to be turned a few degrees clockwise to hold it in an open position. Ron L -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of triumphs-request@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 2:00 PM 7. TR6 Choke Cable Question (James Henningsen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 12:30:52 -0400 From: "James Henningsen" To: Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from TRF. It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the simple question. I have the cables attached to both carbs securely. When I pull out the choke via the choke knob, the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off position. I have tried this installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free). Both times the choke will not stay on. I thought the original choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two positions. There are two holes on the metal assembly. What am I missing here. Thanks so much, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 73 Jag XKE 76 Celica GT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ------------------------------ End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 132 **************************************** ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 9 12:20:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5A0258992C for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 12:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-it0-f68.google.com (mail-it0-f68.google.com [209.85.214.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1DE2588D67; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 23:19:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-it0-f68.google.com with SMTP id h190so3860638ith.3; Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:19:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LdFRp7FmystHvLtaLcCfaU0lO6nK9WgKSHftU/P7Vy4=; b=pptDmgvzoVh6EVoY4kZIRLBv9Hl5MKiLD9u8AAf8rXYKZGMmHuEE3fOEs9Jf+93xWe q2ymxDoZ2NmFKUOQ35nouR9awIc2tWeFX9lnQ5LEOzLSQa9d6w4Agukdy8j5m7qC4t1i Pt80/mXzwYhXhrjd7XLcUH829Ys9+gSM0nDfFwalsvckxU+/He1CV9A2kv8p9iEaRXpT 0Qsl4xBWA3kkUfzSZFmGzpVwHNRgxgATsM75bZu63+4wPW1yIkCURK6/L+nb1mFNd3NI JPw4sBCZ86q6lGSPGWz3AoSvklc9oJvGbam/1N1DwApwKOsF/pWzh2/UG/JNem3CWAZs nZ3A== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LdFRp7FmystHvLtaLcCfaU0lO6nK9WgKSHftU/P7Vy4=; b=Z681+JeTrtC+V3tUapRkMsatbqv6xrmDkhLG4FMCJpbUlOjgxCItQeP0M67KVNpmYy sKQhlhibTPppWWcFmU+UWD2cXeaA4UIUN1uOnhT+w1OF2u5+uqt2fHB+hl0R95AnoQmD +9BHy5+qo73E1ydbyA1KUGIPfcIFttFZpCdQR/zvIK6jwMmxP/bozr9eFDXa/fRFCm9Y 7AAiIkn7P+0+xfCqzuP7KJNw0tFGByAQBOxyLX40EQwsxfCa76U2sOOQeaUA68DPpU7d HQqDqnJYYqNUKtdpPQj2IwIYNiFEmWsP20Ozwajf+Vut4ZBLFxUtA/cBCEwemIDv/jEN Bg3g== Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.76.213 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT) References: <57579C14.5030802@bradakis.com> From: Hoyt Duff Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 01:19:13 -0400 To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , spitfires@autox.team.net, list 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Computer Fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You should consider one of the BSDs, like FreeBSD. It's not too big a leap from Linux if you are very familiar with that OS. Running actual services is essentially the same. Actually though, OpenBSD is supposed to be the most secure, but you might have to eventually deal with Theo de Raadt. 8( For just a mailserver/webserver, you should really look at the BSDs. On 6/8/16, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > So someone hacked into Team.Net through the web server, and used it to > spew out spam. What fun. The main issue has been taken care of, but it > was happening long enough for some service providers to set up a block > for the Team.Net IP. So a fair number of you may never see this message. > I'll be working on restoring access, but it could be some time, like > several days. > > And meanwhile I think I will build a new server, start from the ground > up. Stick with Ubuntu, or Fedora, or ?? Decisions, decisions. > > In the meantime I will work on getting mail flowing out as best as > possible. > > Thanks for your patience. > > mjb. > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/hoytduff@gmail.com > -- Hoyt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 9 20:09:00 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DDE2589113 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 20:09:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0098.outbound.protection.outlook.com [157.56.111.98]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E43258938D; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 04:29:54 -0600 (MDT) d=NETORG208302.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-albiontechnical-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=ULJXQzug+b0BSMzgzR9zqTMJ2ljxhe8mWTaHsuxLrM8=; b=hmhotpNavQvHW2RnUD5o1X6Zm7Gnrm8HlQvezdHs333fxbXsfC3d7E4VcMpbCymogCwOrCPA5eoqFl9dHva46zEB4+f4S96zWnpQsHKURNH+9WdZ5+D8xb+0hkjiJZmUT9YZ21DN0/hcK7LXEqdZcNL4pnuMpu4ow7FF2SJQXKE= Received: from BN3PR1101MB1188.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.165.75.154) by BN3PR1101MB1187.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.165.75.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.517.8; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:47 +0000 Received: from BN3PR1101MB1188.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.75.154]) by BN3PR1101MB1188.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([10.165.75.154]) with mapi id 15.01.0517.005; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:47 +0000 From: Michael Marr To: Mark J Bradakis Thread-Topic: [TR] Computer Fun Thread-Index: AQHRwgEJaMuYuYhrlUeTXierAn4db5/g765z Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 10:29:46 +0000 References: <57579C14.5030802@bradakis.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=mmarr@albiontechnical.com; x-originating-ip: [70.195.11.31] x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: cdf52ffe-58cd-4a61-b9cb-08d39050fb04 x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; BN3PR1101MB1187; 6:Zs9Qeum+g7lRMYZglUbyV+kR28n+yJmo5voOJwCboi/WG63XZDSSmxyxYRaJ2PFvJvdqzIAPc3bJAGoT2WypCOE4BGiyBXKklEpSz98gZCR6zLOrmh4u/I9InFtVjXItznzFy0LU/utImy9OVKNJEhbScLsokA7oob+UOiEaCHWaeveMYsexKGhGK7duyexsVA0BqP7PusK76wBx1eHlEFwJmbuKgqaH7VxsXpN2X5zM81NNVTk0BWllpNU87zr4vL+ZowkABHMAJ8tjvkWbSkZYKg2dUhDitgxef8nIT7baLZCaz2xlxd92l2waE00A; 5:Wu615aEju+YhB3gbX8wILlYmmWq9Xd8UA3KEz7EJ6T+lbIbrX4QJDweRjhH4PxCXIBTLmVctZGuebv4Mj6QLsH6gzGA5N684l2FCSvzrIvqveGpNcQUfdQHV6qmV8Y3ZTcaqdY1ZpM/Q7oQFBBD3bA==; 24:90DXMcY+d/jb0gswa6hYAHXzul0sJOofFrFTLvWN6C1Ml2HKnjYnbqdQA1d2eWzEWUojprZioEcLn/oC5Sm2gq/tGobTxE8710mfV2Xs6oA=; 7:txEKWk8bgohlQuUOUFk4ksnJF9Oo4y4Piz8QmVBnw14SvVgbNQRh/YW9HfpKdxo1WLn+6WgWLIZTgVmvb9oYn/ysC5/ySDTszs1aZjW0gGYad20cnZXwkPzDU4Nh1YZboAsfTaAYBU1EOa5NmEYldhPi+JyEbT21IQgitrseCINasamcUwi9qiuh7x3kXEUuX4x4yox5K/eRtAt9faD/VU/TZ3rUxr+jO8g8Tfm6o30= x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN3PR1101MB1187; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(158342451672863); x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040130)(601004)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(3002001)(10201501046)(6041072)(6043046); SRVR:BN3PR1101MB1187; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BN3PR1101MB1187; x-forefront-prvs: 0968D37274 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(69224002)(377454003)(199003)(24454002)(55674003)(189002)(68736007)(92566002)(122556002)(11100500001)(8936002)(3660700001)(6116002)(102836003)(3846002)(586003)(110136002)(97736004)(2900100001)(189998001)(2950100001)(5002640100001)(10400500002)(15975445007)(86362001)(19580395003)(77096005)(5008740100001)(19580405001)(1720100001)(5004730100002)(8676002)(3280700002)(81166006)(87936001)(66066001)(83716003)(82746002)(54356999)(106116001)(106356001)(81156014)(33656002)(105586002)(5003630100001)(4326007)(2906002)(36756003)(50986999)(99286002)(76176999)(101416001)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN3PR1101MB1187; H:BN3PR1101MB1188.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; CAT:NONE; LANG:en; CAT:NONE; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: albiontechnical.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" , "spitfires@autox.team.net" , list 6pack <6pack@autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Computer Fun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mark, you are a champion. Thanks for all you do. Building a new server will require funds, so let me remind everyone of the "donate" link at the bottom of Mark's original post, and which appears, almost magically, in every post that appears on team.net. Mike Michael Marr Albion Technical Services Mobile: 630-202-0065 Sent from my iPad > On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:43 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > So someone hacked into Team.Net through the web server, and used it to spew out spam. What fun. The main issue has been taken care of, but it was happening long enough for some service providers to set up a block for the Team.Net IP. So a fair number of you may never see this message. I'll be working on restoring access, but it could be some time, like several days. > > And meanwhile I think I will build a new server, start from the ground up. Stick with Ubuntu, or Fedora, or ?? Decisions, decisions. > > In the meantime I will work on getting mail flowing out as best as possible. > > Thanks for your patience. > > mjb. > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr@albiontechnical.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jun 10 00:21:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4198F25897D4 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2016 00:21:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.69]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF29258966F for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:40:19 -0600 (MDT) t=1465486815; bh=6ARlVl1Bj1wNPZwcmmh8uj3w5olAl0dPi7C1qjIEOUo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=SUBAWFqyYDskWZ623H6qqrsZ97pzvWIYjd18vwtunwG0I/ZH2NYQkenYjyI8KXs+kLOjH0/SWLSaqVlWj8IPpmiqUbvD2EMeFK5B5uJ/vrokE0o6+OVAa/6F2KNLZ0uO4HuFgSQveITGE4PJlwU7slzk1hni2lFPxhb6X25VNx+S8xXMZKMS+oTn0C9/H37pIMoVU1xuGYu5oPOfIAdRvDpL1T5YsGCDOaYVdTLK+kKKP8VYJ66jChkNbhctotTlumWSwBzW9fobsUk+SabOG88Npa9BWEyDa0+VxLSfwHfceSio97k/kg7jysXEHTklC6kKaKrVQP3c3qCXcZB37A== Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 15:40:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.254] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 15:40:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2016 15:40:15 -0000 tuQ38QPafYtdjURj.rYJ3QGYFQeHYGx9_nNVf8TEfcgPNl31AYXC_rCHw9K30EJsgrFRnyvug3Ew CgXwT5O1mwfdcU8mxqBxoHMi5l5gTNm4rCKJot4sa7fTQWJxD0baxTteAjEHrv61jdMKDJrCIWqs k22X.i5wCfh6Yc3sSQkdNTAXJ7cSn6XpdS8uTNPHgps0fo84mo1exdIBfaaQlIla4AkoEWYtxBGc NUAswi7dnP9s1nMTsbLCjZDveiXkDXdinyZto6IFCHdFPQsI5ObB.cqWtBRaV16J62h5lPNeNqhb Frv_8Q4oIaQAUtROjI4uP8.9CsgUFdBDgdsz6ygD7TF7dO1u5Raw.US24JwfwLE6mbYcLyHRRrYm UZzFnZUmRTUW512RmLJE_LIgrrQDznXb.lTxlXYLRR4G2msj.n.vY9.pmKH23Vb9XmuQ.SB68hNn FDqtMdVFOo.oMWGacqgE- Received: from jws10083.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sendmailws163.mail.ne1.yahoo.com; Thu, 09 Jun 2016 15:40:14 +0000; 1465486814.603 Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 15:40:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Frank Fisher To: "ptegler@verizon.net" , Bob Danielson <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org>, James Henningsen , "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <012f01d1bf47$a0ca70e0$e25f52a0$@gmail.com> <3b984b3b-b79c-7662-8d84-0a48ed647bf1@verizon.net> boundary="----=_Part_208502_507342473.1465486814161" Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ------=_Part_208502_507342473.1465486814161 boundary="----=_Part_208501_483509414.1465486814155" ------=_Part_208501_483509414.1465486814155 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i dont understand the problem From: ptegler To: Bob Danielson <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org>; James Henningsen ; triumphs@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question =20 ...if they won't twist, ther should be a metal clip around the body you're= placing in the dash with a captive ball bearing under the clip that slips = into the 'holes' in the inside of the crescent shape of the knob shaft.=20 ptegler =20 On 6/7/2016 8:13 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: =20 =20 #yiv4606779978 #yiv4606779978 -- _filtered #yiv4606779978 {panose-1:2 4 5 3= 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv4606779978 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 = 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv4606779978 #yiv4606779978 p.yiv4606779978MsoNormal, #y= iv4606779978 li.yiv4606779978MsoNormal, #yiv4606779978 div.yiv4606779978Mso= Normal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;}#yiv4606779978 a= :link, #yiv4606779978 span.yiv4606779978MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-de= coration:underline;}#yiv4606779978 a:visited, #yiv4606779978 span.yiv460677= 9978MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4606= 779978 span.yiv4606779978EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv4606779978 .yi= v4606779978MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv4606779978 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.= 0in 1.0in;}#yiv4606779978 div.yiv4606779978WordSection1 {}#yiv4606779978 = With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the knob to lock it= in place. =C2=A0 Is yours a locking cable? =C2=A0 Bob =C2=A0 Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 CF38503U TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs =C2=A0 From: James Henningsen Sent: Sunday, Ju= ne 05, 2016 12:30 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke C= able Question =C2=A0 I am replacing my choke cable on my 75 TR6 with a= brand new one from TRF.=C2=A0 It has been a while since I changed one, so = please forgive the simple question.=C2=A0 I have the cables attached to bot= h carbs securely.=C2=A0 When I pull out the choke via the choke knob,=C2=A0= the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb= choke assemblies pull it right back to off position.=C2=A0 I have tried th= is installed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free)= .=C2=A0 Both times the choke will not stay on.=C2=A0 I thought the original= choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two positions.=C2= =A0 There are two holes on the metal assembly.=C2=A0 What am I missing here= .=C2=A0 Thanks so much, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 73 Jag XKE = 76 Celica GT =C2=A0 =20 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** =20 Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr= 6.danielsonfamily.org =20 =20 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive verizon.net =20 --=20 Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com =20 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 3@yahoo.com ------=_Part_208501_483509414.1465486814155 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question
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...if they won't twis= t, ther should be a metal clip around the body you're placing in the dash with a captive ball bearing under the clip that slips into the 'holes' in the inside of the crescent shape of the knob shaft.

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On 6/7/2016 8:13 AM, Bob Daniel= son wrote:
With some choke cables you pull them out and then twist the knob to lock it in place.
 
Is yours a locking cable?
 
Bob
 
Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
1975 Mimosa TR6
CF38503U
TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs
 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 12:30 PM
Subject: [TR] TR6 Choke Cable Question
 
I am replacing my choke= cable on my 75 TR6 with a brand new one from TRF.  It has been a while since I changed one, so please forgive the simple question.  I have the cables attached to both carbs securely.  When I pull out the choke via the choke knob,  the cables will not stay engaged with chokes open. The springs on the carb choke assemblies pull it right back to off position.  I have tried this install= ed in dash and now not installed in the dash (hanging below free).  Both times the choke will not stay on.  I thought the original choke cable had two holes that engaged the choke open at two positions.  There are tw= o holes on the metal assembly.  What am I missing here.&= nbsp;
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Ocala, FL
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73 Jag XKE
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76 Celica GT
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MailServer16D250.25128-16A-982-e9c2ef2b8d8a t=1465573820; bh=qsm8AOTx7umHqTDKV7yzMBbFWQ8yCsgemxpk2cT6YIc=; h=MIME-version:Content-type:To:From:Subject:Date:Message-id; b=II607khiRye0aAy8BfqHnA8gik5MbKTnNSgBb7dr/9Zs5ygynXtiLM359GkhwmlHZ K3Zljli8fhRnN5faVnjdOlcBaWfDxMyOPiB6vkm09zr6GWXW0SAy7EoMeDb950jaKo 7JXJQWSVnbjEQ55/tDIN194lg0HHqqNlOkbBqVhIDHvAsQrDB9VTXHVj/o42gXY6ff xYJIzworMmTcCJgySdPX+EkhWBan5jjRdHe0jYGEMwfU9n8uQTtVVn7rAKqXh6l8fK FhsMlBFoz4QYnrsDJvE5g1D/BZp1kEBFcQPtM+UTcPdw6eaitUjjlI5yPhyBCdhfrP pgy7Wza77/9Vg== Subject: [TR] Overdrive issues Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3161900262953364986== boundary="Boundary_(ID_aqMGs+LpjNeFXg6a/YqzMg)" --Boundary_(ID_aqMGs+LpjNeFXg6a/YqzMg) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, thi= s is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basic= ally a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by=C2= =A0a British car specialist of 40+ years. =C2=A0His employee has also been= working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. =C2=A0= They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. =C2=A0They had 4 = OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the sys= tem.=0A=0ASymptom -=C2=A0when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD,= it doesn't go into OD until I let up. =C2=A0When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD e= ngaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission whi= le I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.=0A=0AI'm not techn= ical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try. =C2= =A0First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple o= f weeks=C2=A0ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things. =C2=A0= They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc. =C2=A0= When in OD it's not slipping. =C2=A0They've tested the PSI with a gauge at= tached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels of= f the ground. =C2=A0=0A=0AThe issue is that it's not getting high enough P= SI. =C2=A0It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think t= hey said 520. =C2=A0They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD = all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the = pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a = torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition pump, w= ould be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in the car now.= =C2=A0 They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and said the ne= w seals=C2=A0are=C2=A0rubber and they got one like the original style that= has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better sea= l. =C2=A0Not very clear I know, but hopefully that=C2=A0makes sense. =C2=A0= They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect s= eal, they all look perfect. =C2=A0They said everything looks absolutely pr= istine. =C2=A0No scoring down passageways that might not allow maximum PSI= , etc. =C2=A0They also showed me the lining on a=C2=A0Sun gear they had on= the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked original.=C2=A0= They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn't fix = it.=0A=0AThey've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus seve= ral more hours doing internet research on the problem. =C2=A0As they descr= ibed everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I s= aid I'd send out this email to the list. =C2=A0Not that they haven't tried= everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they ha= ven't tried, or a test they can run, that will=C2=A0lead to the solution.=0A= =0AThanks,=0A=0ARye Livingston=0ATriumph Travelers Sports Car Club=0AActiv= ities Chairman=0A1960 TR3A=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE= --Boundary_(ID_aqMGs+LpjNeFXg6a/YqzMg) boundary="Boundary_(ID_1mihpJSIEkjzIAs2UqRyWg)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_1mihpJSIEkjzIAs2UqRyWg) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time= , this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's = basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt = by a British car specialist of 40+ years.  His employee has also= been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist.=  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs.  They= had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of = the system.

Symptom - w= hen I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD unt= il I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it w= ill downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shif= t back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, = but I'll try.  First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this= issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvi= ous things.  They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, o= il type, etc.  When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the= PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked u= p with the wheels off the ground.  

The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI.  It'= s over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520.=  They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, an= d there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Origina= lly it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engin= e and the other pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard = on the differential, but they've got that one in the car now.   They = showed me a seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals = are rubber and they got one like the original style that has some sor= t of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal.  Not = very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sense.  They've chec= ked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they al= l look perfect.  They said everything looks absolutely pristine. &nbs= p;No scoring down passageways that might not allow maximum PSI, etc.  = ;They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear they had on the beach, = and said mine looked good and the rivets looked original. They put it= all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ hou= rs on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet research o= n the problem.  As they described everything and what they've checked= , which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list.=  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be= one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, tha= t will lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triump= h Travelers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 T= R3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE
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Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:13:46 +0000 (GMT) To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com From: Rye Livingston Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:13:46 +0000 (GMT) MailServer16D250.25128-16A-982-e9c2ef2b8d8a t=1465589627; bh=u3d2Axcn5yt9tqfLLa1p2UbCcahSm9nbAsQzJqBsSxY=; h=MIME-version:Content-type:To:From:Subject:Date:Message-id; b=aYgtzjXYwZcUNHnPNDSEoEH7Ndr5S4X5XEkSMlBchOqKfOmfMsuOU+SYco1OEfOE2 S17N6BU9ZjcOyZvQxr6ih8aTKCp0eZjTiEpWH6c5s+0YCnyIIB1BkpdO40O9u1wtC0 9bWPCSarCEHIuYwUxzlPE77YYJzmyKveBSTfjXEQPcxJqUP1yHvV/xjbbmWgiO30xC cUUc0P1CAS1zS4CuN3rN27G3iK9augJDszQ1yM/ZTR6Ej4ovChAvLqClNYhmtP5n1Y NfHKcnK7qZ2dd3Bvc+gHNbtPtgoq6UKt9E9fXz6mDLhHW1OQqS4BRBPoejBqKbNYIE FGYJeCAmLMMfQ== Cc: Triumphs , TTSCC TTSCC Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive issues Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1758668573081475268== boundary="Boundary_(ID_UJvwUgHreMU7KzalntgffA)" --Boundary_(ID_UJvwUgHreMU7KzalntgffA) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm pretty sure when they were driving down the expressway, reading the ga= uge, it was still happening. =C2=A0That was the reason for the test drive = with the gauge attached, but I'll double check. =C2=A0I believe they check= ed the other things you mentioned, but again, I'll double check and forwar= d your email to them.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARye=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARye=0APH: 530-FI= ND-RYE=0A=0AOn Jun 10, 2016, at 01:08 PM, TR3driver@ca.rr.com wrote:=0A=0A= If you really have 400 psi when the problem is happening (you didn't menti= on if they saw the problem while driving with the gauge attached), then IM= O the problem is somewhere else. I drove for quite a few years on only 320= psi or so, and the only time it would slip was while shifting into 2nd ge= ar under full throttle. It would shift and hold just fine in 4th gear (whe= re the OD only has to handle half the torque of 2nd gear).=0AI'm not sayin= g that it shouldn't be higher, only that I don't think that is the source = of the symptoms you describe.=0ADid they check that the solenoid was conti= nuing to draw current when the problem happens?=0AHave they checked the va= lve ball lift?=C2=A0 The mechanism sometimes wears so the setting lever is= no longer accurate. If the ball was not moving far enough, and there is a= leak on the piston side of the pump (which might explain the lack of pres= sure), the operating pistons might not see the measured 400 psi.=0A--=C2=A0= Randall= --Boundary_(ID_UJvwUgHreMU7KzalntgffA) boundary="Boundary_(ID_3QYQH7spxjSLQa7ldLiJ5g)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_3QYQH7spxjSLQa7ldLiJ5g) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I'm pretty sure when they were driving down the expressway, reading t= he gauge, it was still happening.  That was the reason for the test d= rive with the gauge attached, but I'll double check.  I believe they = checked the other things you mentioned, but again, I'll double check and f= orward your email to them.

T= hanks,

Rye




Rye=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE

On Jun 10, 2016, at = 01:08 PM, TR3driver@ca.rr.com wrote:

If you really have 400 psi = when the problem is happening (you didn't mention if they saw the problem = while driving with the gauge attached), then IMO the problem is somewhere = else. I drove for quite a few years on only 320 psi or so, and the only ti= me it would slip was while shifting into 2nd gear under full throttle. It = would shift and hold just fine in 4th gear (where the OD only has to handl= e half the torque of 2nd gear).

I'm not saying that it s= houldn't be higher, only that I don't think that is the source of the symp= toms you describe.

Did they check that the solenoid was = continuing to draw current when the problem happens?

Hav= e they checked the valve ball lift?  The mechanism sometimes wears so= the setting lever is no longer accurate. If the ball was not moving far e= nough, and there is a leak on the piston side of the pump (which might exp= lain the lack of pressure), the operating pistons might not see the measur= ed 400 psi.

--  Randall

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"when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up." The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode. Period. Did I say Period. So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring. So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue by now??? DaveP On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote: > Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, > this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said > it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was > rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years. His employee has > also been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission > specialist. They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. > They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different > parts of the system. > > Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't > go into OD until I let up. When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and > punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I > accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up. > > I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told > me, but I'll try. First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted > this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the > easy/obvious things. They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, > ground, oil type, etc. When in OD it's not slipping. They've tested > the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and > jacked up with the wheels off the ground. > > The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. It's over 400 > PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. > They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and > there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. > Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a > torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition > pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in > the car now. They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and > said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original style > that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a > better seal. Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sense. > They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a > perfect seal, they all look perfect. They said everything looks > absolutely pristine. No scoring down passageways that might not allow > maximum PSI, etc. They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear they > had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked > original. They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and > that didn't fix it. > > They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several > more hours doing internet research on the problem. As they described > everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I > said I'd send out this email to the list. Not that they haven't tried > everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they > haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will lead to the solution. > > Thanks, > > Rye Livingston > Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club > Activities Chairman > 1960 TR3A > PH: 530-FIND-RYE > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ --------------E98090EF00011F94AFB433E2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch installed. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up."

The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.  Period. Did I say Period.

So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.

So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue by now???

DaveP


On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years.  His employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist.  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs.  They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the system.

Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try.  First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things.  They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc.  When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the ground.  

The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520.  They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in the car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sense.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everything looks absolutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that might not allow maximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet research on the problem.  As they described everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list.  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


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I expect that a worn drive pin in the piston could cause a similar problem by shortening the piston sweep.

Bottom line is if you are not getting enough oil pressure, it is a hydraulic problem which is either not enough supply (pump wear?) or excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA
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I don't=C2=A0no whether=C2=A0you can get 50= 0 psi on an old A type overdrive. The overdrive is not working properly bec= ause the brake ring is slipping. I think that the=C2=A0pistons that apply t= he force to the brake ring may be leaking.=C2=A0 Just because the pressure = relief valve=C2=A0 on the pump has be reseated doesn't mean the relief pres= sure is correct. The spring might be weak.=C2=A0 I strongly suggest that yo= u read the overdrive information on the Buckeye web site.=20 Stuart A Greenwood=20 On Friday, June 10, 2016 4:37 PM, "triumphs-request@autox.team.net" wrote: =20 ----- Forwarded Message ----- Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 triumphs@autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 triumphs-request@autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 triumphs-owner@autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." Today's Topics: =C2=A0 1. Overdrive issues (Rye Livingston) Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, this= is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basical= ly a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by=C2=A0= a British car specialist of 40+ years. =C2=A0His employee has also been wor= king on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. =C2=A0The= y've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. =C2=A0They had 4 OD c= ores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the system. Symptom -=C2=A0when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't= go into OD until I let up. =C2=A0When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and = punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelera= te, then shift back into OD when I let up. I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but= I'll try. =C2=A0First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this iss= ue a couple of weeks=C2=A0ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious t= hings. =C2=A0They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil typ= e, etc. =C2=A0When in OD it's not slipping. =C2=A0They've tested the PSI wi= th a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with t= he wheels off the ground. =C2=A0 The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. =C2=A0It's over 400 PSI= , but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. =C2=A0They've = taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothin= g obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump= that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other pu= mp, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the differential= , but they've got that one in the car now. =C2=A0 They showed me a seal tha= t goes around that piston and said the new seals=C2=A0are=C2=A0rubber and t= hey got one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforceme= nt in it to hopefully make a better seal. =C2=A0Not very clear I know, but = hopefully that=C2=A0makes sense. =C2=A0They've checked the seats where a sm= all ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. =C2=A0The= y said everything looks absolutely pristine. =C2=A0No scoring down passagew= ays that might not allow maximum PSI, etc. =C2=A0They also showed me the li= ning on a=C2=A0Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good an= d the rivets looked original.=C2=A0They put it all back together, went for = a test drive, and that didn't fix it. They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more h= ours doing internet research on the problem. =C2=A0As they described everyt= hing and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send= out this email to the list. =C2=A0Not that they haven't tried everything, = but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, o= r a test they can run, that will=C2=A0lead to the solution. Thanks, Rye Livingston Triumph Travelers Sports Car ClubActivities Chairman1960 TR3APH: 530-FIND-R= YE _______________________________________________ Triumphs mailing list Triumphs@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ------=_Part_1268416_1611931681.1465607410165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 In sounds like this is a  J type overdrive whereas = I would have thought that it would be an A type.  I say this because m= essing about with the pump on an A type would not necessarily change the oi= l pressure whereas on a J type it would.  The pressure on a A type is = controlled by the accumulator piston spring. I don't no whether y= ou can get 500 psi on an old A type overdrive.
The overdrive is not working properl= y because the brake ring is slipping. I think that the pistons that ap= ply the force to the brake ring may be leaking.  Just because the pres= sure relief valve  on the pump has be reseated doesn't mean the relief= pressure is correct. The spring might be weak.  I strongly suggest th= at you read the overdrive information on the Buckeye web site.

Stuart A Greenwo= od


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  1. Overdrive is= sues (Rye Livingston)
Transmission u= pdate - for those reading about this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3= with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR250 tra= nsmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by a British car = specialist of 40+ years.  His employee has also been working on Britis= h cars for years, and is a transmission specialist.  They've rebuilt l= iterally 100s of transmissions and ODs.  They had 4 OD cores on their = bench as they were showing me different parts of the system.

=
Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD,= it doesn't go into OD until I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD en= gaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while= I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.

<= div>I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me,= but I'll try.  First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this= issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvio= us things.  They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil= type, etc.  When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the PS= I with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up wi= th the wheels off the ground.  

The issue is = that it's not getting high enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it need= s to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520.  They've taken the tra= nsmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. Th= ey've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would s= hift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which the= y called a competition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've= got that one in the car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around= that piston and said the new seals are rubber and they got one l= ike the original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to h= opefully make a better seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully tha= t makes sense.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bear= ing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everyt= hing looks absolutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that migh= t not allow maximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a&nbs= p;Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets = looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test drive,= and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literal= ly 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet r= esearch on the problem.  As they described everything and what they've= checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to th= e list.  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there = may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run= , that will lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports= Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
PH: 5= 30-FIND-RYE

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"when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn= 't go into OD until I let up."=0AThe switch on the dash activates only the= solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and= push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.=C2=A0 Period. Did I say Peri= od.=0ASo assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (r= egardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. = Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/= lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.=0ASo, you told me before that = there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it soun= ds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowin= g the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston ring= s. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would cert= ainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer in= volved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found t= he issue by now???=0ADaveP=0A=0AOn 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote= :=0ATransmission update - for those reading about this for the first time,= this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's b= asically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt b= y=C2=A0a British car specialist of 40+ years. =C2=A0His employee has also = been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. = =C2=A0They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. =C2=A0They = had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of t= he system.=0A=0ASymptom -=C2=A0when I'm accelerating and flip the switch f= or OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up. =C2=A0When in 2-3 or 4th gear= , OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmissi= on while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.=0A=0AI'm not= technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll = try. =C2=A0First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a = couple of weeks=C2=A0ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious thing= s. =C2=A0They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, = etc. =C2=A0When in OD it's not slipping. =C2=A0They've tested the PSI with= a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with th= e wheels off the ground. =C2=A0=0A=0AThe issue is that it's not getting hi= gh enough PSI. =C2=A0It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500= , I think they said 520. =C2=A0They've taken the transmission back out, ta= ken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the pis= ton in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because = I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competit= ion pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in t= he car now. =C2=A0 They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and = said the new seals=C2=A0are=C2=A0rubber and they got one like the original= style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a= better seal. =C2=A0Not very clear I know, but hopefully that=C2=A0makes s= ense. =C2=A0They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make= a perfect seal, they all look perfect. =C2=A0They said everything looks a= bsolutely pristine. =C2=A0No scoring down passageways that might not allow= maximum PSI, etc. =C2=A0They also showed me the lining on a=C2=A0Sun gear= they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked or= iginal.=C2=A0They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and tha= t didn't fix it.=0A=0AThey've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmissi= on, plus several more hours doing internet research on the problem. =C2=A0= As they described everything and what they've checked, which seems like ev= erything, I said I'd send out this email to the list. =C2=A0Not that they = haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of= info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will=C2=A0lead to t= he solution.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARye Livingston=0ATriumph Travelers Sports C= ar Club=0AActivities Chairman=0A1960 TR3A=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0A=0A** tr= iumphs@autox.team.net **=0A=0ADonate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=0AAr= chive: http://www.team.net/archive=0AForums: http://www.team.net/forums=0A= @porterscustom.com=0A=0A-- =0ADave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno= St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbik= es.com/= --Boundary_(ID_fGRoluYN5Tq6kFKECKzlEw) boundary="Boundary_(ID_n+gV/mLCoj6FR40OqMqDLQ)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_n+gV/mLCoj6FR40OqMqDLQ) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I'm very confident that they know what they're doing havin= g worked on hundreds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the= similar assessments that you have, that it's not that complex and th= ey are stymied why they're not finding an obvious issue.  They'v= e replace the o-rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal ho= ping to find some scratch or something.  And yes, at moderate speed, = 40 mph in 3rd or 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in.  It's n= ot until it's under load that it drops back out.  They've done test d= rives with the pressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a t= ime when there is too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your= email to them.

Rye

On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM,= David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com> wrote:

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">

What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch i= nstalled. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go= into OD until I let up."

The switch on the dash activates only the = solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and = push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.  Period. Did I say Perio= d.

So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage= (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identica= l. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulat= or/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.

So, you told me befor= e that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore = it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is= blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or pist= on rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I wou= ld certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern comp= uter involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have = found the issue by now???

DaveP


On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Transmission update - for those reading about this for the= first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they= said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD w= as rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years.  His employ= ee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission = specialist.  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs.=  They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me differen= t parts of the system.

Symptom - when I'm ac= celerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let u= p.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will downsh= ift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shift back int= o OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to k= now how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try.  First off, = I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple of weeks a= go, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things.  They've check= ed all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc.  When in OD = it's not slipping.  They've tested the PSI with a gauge attached whil= e driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the groun= d.  

The issue is that it's not getting high= enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, = I think they said 520.  They've taken the transmission back out, take= n the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the pisto= n in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I'= ve got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competitio= n pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in the= car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and sa= id the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original s= tyle that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a b= etter seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sen= se.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a= perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everything looks abs= olutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that might not allow m= aximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear t= hey had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked orig= inal. They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that = didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ ho= urs on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet research = on the problem.  As they described everything and what they've checke= d, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list= .  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may b= e one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, th= at will lead to the solution.

Thanks,
<= div>
Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports C= ar Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
PH: 53= 0-FIND-RYE

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One driving and one manually moving the operating lever to see if there is some position other than the factory set point that overrides the problem. They should have done this by now I would think. Perhaps the case should be closely inspected for cracks. esp around the two operating pistons. I'm going to copy this to another O/D repair "guru" and see what he might add.. hope I can find his email.. Dave On 6/10/2016 7:23 PM, Rye Livingston wrote: > I'm very confident that they know what they're doing having worked on > hundreds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the > similar assessments that you have, that it's not that complex and they > are stymied why they're not finding an obvious issue. They've replace > the o-rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping > to find some scratch or something. And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph > in 3rd or 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in. It's not until > it's under load that it drops back out. They've done test drives with > the pressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time > when there is too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your > email to them. > > Rye > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David Porter > wrote: > >> What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch installed. >> "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into >> OD until I let up." >> >> The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil >> pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch >> assembly into the "OD" mode. Period. Did I say Period. >> >> So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage >> (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually >> identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in >> the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring. >> >> So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down >> relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much >> pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the >> currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease >> engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the >> rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This >> is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue >> by now??? >> >> DaveP >> >> >> On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote: >>> Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first >>> time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they >>> said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and >>> OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years. His >>> employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a >>> transmission specialist. They've rebuilt literally 100s of >>> transmissions and ODs. They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they >>> were showing me different parts of the system. >>> >>> Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it >>> doesn't go into OD until I let up. When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD >>> engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic >>> transmission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up. >>> >>> I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told >>> me, but I'll try. First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted >>> this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the >>> easy/obvious things. They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, >>> ground, oil type, etc. When in OD it's not slipping. They've >>> tested the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the >>> expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the ground. >>> >>> The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. It's over 400 >>> PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. >>> They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, >>> and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. >>> Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a >>> torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition >>> pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in >>> the car now. They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and >>> said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original >>> style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully >>> make a better seal. Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes >>> sense. They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must >>> make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. They said everything >>> looks absolutely pristine. No scoring down passageways that might >>> not allow maximum PSI, etc. They also showed me the lining on a Sun >>> gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets >>> looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test >>> drive, and that didn't fix it. >>> >>> They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several >>> more hours doing internet research on the problem. As they >>> described everything and what they've checked, which seems like >>> everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list. Not that >>> they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one >>> little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, >>> that will lead to the solution. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rye Livingston >>> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club >>> Activities Chairman >>> 1960 TR3A >>> PH: 530-FIND-RYE >>> >>> >>> **triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com >> >> -- >> Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM >> 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ --------------F21E9698E7DCB9B414717D8E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

rye,

 then... they must get in the car. One driving and one manually moving the operating lever to see if there is some position other than the factory set point that overrides the problem. They should have done this by now I would think. Perhaps the case should be closely inspected for cracks. esp around the two operating pistons. I'm going to copy this to another O/D repair "guru" and see what he might add.. hope I can find his email..

Dave


On 6/10/2016 7:23 PM, Rye Livingston wrote:
I'm very confident that they know what they're doing having worked on hundreds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the similar assessments that you have, that it's not that complex and they are stymied why they're not finding an obvious issue.  They've replace the o-rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping to find some scratch or something.  And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph in 3rd or 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in.  It's not until it's under load that it drops back out.  They've done test drives with the pressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time when there is too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your email to them.

Rye

On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com> wrote:

What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch installed. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up."

The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.  Period. Did I say Period.

So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.

So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue by now???

DaveP


On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years.  His employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist.  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs.  They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the system.

Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try.  First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things.  They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc.  When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the ground.  

The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520.  They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in the car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sense.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everything looks absolutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that might not allow maximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet research on the problem.  As they described everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list.  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


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--------------F21E9698E7DCB9B414717D8E-- --===============5507131826919149684== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============5507131826919149684==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 11 08:17:34 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4CD258AA31 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C2F258A78D for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 02:09:33 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: dnvrco-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.221.224.193] ([107.221.224.193:61124] helo=Meislaptop) by dnvrco-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id D3/3A-08776-D37CB575; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:09:34 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Rye Livingston'" References: <06d9f0a1-bc70-4a33-9f47-9150424d7930@me.com> <71401f86-afe3-4e3f-9a89-be7b36eb426c@ca.rr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 04:09:31 -0400 Thread-Index: AdHDkriW94jLNkNjQoeaSvd0YRIFjAAIe2Ug a=jYKPdkyBZRsFksf2v43pbw==:117 a=jYKPdkyBZRsFksf2v43pbw==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=oneSi7IRxoMmjBs8cuQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive issues Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net One other thing occurs to me; that might possibly have gotten overlooked. On the A-type OD, there are 8 springs that hold the sliding clutch member in the direct drive position. The hydraulic cylinders compress those springs to move the member into the OD position. The springs are two different lengths, but it's not unusual for the longer ones to have sagged until the difference is not obvious. If the originally longer springs (which are also heavier wire) are accidentally installed in the inner position (where the shorter springs should go), you may be getting coil bind just as the OD clutch engages. Nelson mentioned this problem in the Buckeye articles. He saw it on the bench while testing with air, but depending on tolerances, it might not show up until driving. -- Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 11 11:06:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6437258A5E6 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:06:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1D9258A2A9 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:15:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vz-proxy-m001.mx.aol.com ([64.236.83.14]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O8L00BV0ZHY1710@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:15:34 -0500 (CDT) a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=czq4-BAGAAAA:8 a=7ekwKPUFRNeSVZt3IsQA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4KPMOtAnC5lq0ovE1HwA:9 a=qFCqyxHZrka_mDIx:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: by 68.134.169.87 with SMTP id 4c02c2c9; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:15:34 GMT References: <575B63A8.90903@att.net> To: "hdrider570@att.net" , triumphs@autox.team.net From: ptegler Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 09:15:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive issues Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3129698873892725720== boundary=------------DAD9D122326A8757574D652F This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DAD9D122326A8757574D652F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the bypass valve spring can be replaced/shimmed to adjust pressure as needed. ptegler On 6/10/2016 9:04 PM, hdrider570@att.net wrote: > When I had this problem with a J type OD, it was wear in the pump > piston/bore. This pump uses no seals so I expect that your mechanics > are talking about the accumulator piston(s). Basically when the > piston/bore wears the clearances increase which allows oil to bypass > the piston resulting in lower pressure. One thing that I noticed was > that the slippage was more pronounced once the OD warmed up thus > reducing the viscosity of the oil. > > I expect that a worn drive pin in the piston could cause a similar > problem by shortening the piston sweep. > > Bottom line is if you are not getting enough oil pressure, it is a > hydraulic problem which is either not enough supply (pump wear?) or > excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc. > > Edward Hamer > Petaluma CA > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net -- Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com --------------DAD9D122326A8757574D652F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

the bypass valve spring can be replaced/shimmed to adjust pressure as needed.

ptegler


On 6/10/2016 9:04 PM, hdrider570@att.net wrote:
When I had this problem with a J type OD, it was wear in the pump piston/bore.  This pump uses no seals so I expect that your mechanics are talking about the accumulator piston(s).  Basically when the piston/bore wears the clearances increase which allows oil to bypass the piston resulting in lower pressure.  One thing that I noticed was that the slippage was more pronounced once the OD warmed up thus reducing the viscosity of the oil.

I expect that a worn drive pin in the piston could cause a similar problem by shortening the piston sweep.

Bottom line is if you are not getting enough oil pressure, it is a hydraulic problem which is either not enough supply (pump wear?) or excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc.

Edward Hamer
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--------------DAD9D122326A8757574D652F-- --===============3129698873892725720== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============3129698873892725720==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 11 11:29:22 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD46258A872 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:29:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4816F25885C7 for ; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 07:18:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vz-proxy-l005.mx.aol.com ([64.236.82.152]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0O8L00IB4ZMVIK30@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 08:18:31 -0500 (CDT) a=pD_ry4oyNxEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=bwdtt8nOAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=ixUkeaBTAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=czq4-BAGAAAA:8 a=Nzm_ZvpNXf4IRU224csA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Nl2cq7KA0bMA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=HHGDD-5mAAAA:8 a=EBkbyg4XCqpOGlaE03oA:9 a=FHcHLUprEUf55hM8:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Received: by 68.134.169.87 with SMTP id 11318bf0; Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:18:31 GMT References: <7018e47c-a946-439f-a16f-7b85c010b81b@me.com> To: Rye Livingston , David Porter From: ptegler Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 09:18:19 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Cc: triumph list list , TTSCC TTSCC Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive issues Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2775647368755403223== boundary=------------A978795281D90C3512E91B19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A978795281D90C3512E91B19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when you say 'drops out' if you ease up, does it come back in? If so it IS simply lower pressure and the annulus shoes are not holding against the ring. If these shoes have worn and are thin, simply put the annulus is not moving far enough to hold (just like maladjusted brake shoes) ptegler On 6/10/2016 9:23 PM, Rye Livingston wrote: > I'm very confident that they know what they're doing having worked on > hundreds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the > similar assessments that you have, that it's not that complex and they > are stymied why they're not finding an obvious issue. They've replace > the o-rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping > to find some scratch or something. And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph > in 3rd or 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in. It's not until > it's under load that it drops back out. They've done test drives with > the pressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time > when there is too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your > email to them. > > Rye > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David Porter > wrote: > >> What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch installed. >> "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into >> OD until I let up." >> >> The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil >> pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch >> assembly into the "OD" mode. Period. Did I say Period. >> >> So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage >> (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually >> identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in >> the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring. >> >> So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down >> relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much >> pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the >> currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease >> engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the >> rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This >> is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue >> by now??? >> >> DaveP >> >> >> On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote: >>> Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first >>> time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they >>> said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and >>> OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years. His >>> employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a >>> transmission specialist. They've rebuilt literally 100s of >>> transmissions and ODs. They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they >>> were showing me different parts of the system. >>> >>> Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it >>> doesn't go into OD until I let up. When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD >>> engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic >>> transmission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up. >>> >>> I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told >>> me, but I'll try. First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted >>> this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the >>> easy/obvious things. They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, >>> ground, oil type, etc. When in OD it's not slipping. They've >>> tested the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the >>> expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the ground. >>> >>> The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. It's over 400 >>> PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. >>> They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, >>> and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. >>> Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a >>> torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition >>> pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in >>> the car now. They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and >>> said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original >>> style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully >>> make a better seal. Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes >>> sense. They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must >>> make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. They said everything >>> looks absolutely pristine. No scoring down passageways that might >>> not allow maximum PSI, etc. They also showed me the lining on a Sun >>> gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets >>> looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test >>> drive, and that didn't fix it. >>> >>> They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several >>> more hours doing internet research on the problem. As they >>> described everything and what they've checked, which seems like >>> everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list. Not that >>> they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one >>> little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, >>> that will lead to the solution. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Rye Livingston >>> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club >>> Activities Chairman >>> 1960 TR3A >>> PH: 530-FIND-RYE >>> >>> >>> **triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive:http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums:http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com >> >> -- >> Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM >> 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net -- Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com --------------A978795281D90C3512E91B19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

when you say 'drops out' if you ease up, does it come back in?

If so it IS simply lower pressure and the annulus shoes are not holding against the ring. If these shoes have worn and are thin, simply put the annulus is not moving far enough to hold (just like maladjusted brake shoes)

ptegler


On 6/10/2016 9:23 PM, Rye Livingston wrote:
I'm very confident that they know what they're doing having worked on hundreds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the similar assessments that you have, that it's not that complex and they are stymied why they're not finding an obvious issue.  They've replace the o-rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping to find some scratch or something.  And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph in 3rd or 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in.  It's not until it's under load that it drops back out.  They've done test drives with the pressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time when there is too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your email to them.

Rye

On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com> wrote:

What I am reading is that your car has a throttle switch installed. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up."

The switch on the dash activates only the solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.  Period. Did I say Period.

So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.

So, you told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found the issue by now???

DaveP


On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years.  His employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist.  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs.  They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the system.

Symptom - when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try.  First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple of weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things.  They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc.  When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the ground.  

The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520.  They've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in the car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals are rubber and they got one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully that makes sense.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everything looks absolutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that might not allow maximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing internet research on the problem.  As they described everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to the list.  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


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Same symptoms and same checks all resulting the same scratching of head. Obviously a different gearbox and OD unit, so there must be some similarities between OD units or wiring or something. Really hoping the list has some suggestions! Brian > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:50:18 +0000 (GMT) > From: Rye Livingston > To: triumph list list , TTSCC TTSCC > > Subject: [TR] Overdrive issues > Message-ID: <06d9f0a1-bc70-4a33-9f47-9150424d7930@me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, > this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's > basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt > by?a British car specialist of 40+ years. ?His employee has also been > working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. > ?They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. ?They had 4 OD > cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of the system. > > Symptom -?when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go > into OD until I let up. ?When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, > it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then > shift back into OD when I let up. > > I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, > but I'll try. ?First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue > a couple of weeks?ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things. > ?They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc. > ?When in OD it's not slipping. ?They've tested the PSI with a gauge > attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels > off the ground. ? > > The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. ?It's over 400 PSI, > but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. ?They've taken > the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing > obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump > that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the other > pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the > differential, but they've got that one in the car now. ? They showed me a > seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals?are?rubber and > they got one like the original style that has some sort of metal > reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal. ?Not very clear I > know, but hopefully that?makes sense. ?They've checked the seats where a > small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. ?They > said everything looks absolutely pristine. ?No scoring down passageways > that might not allow maximum PSI, etc. ?They also showed me the linin > g on a?Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the > rivets looked original.?They put it all back together, went for a test > drive, and that didn't fix it. > > They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more > hours doing internet research on the problem. ?As they described everything > and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out > this email to the list. ?Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm > hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test > they can run, that will?lead to the solution. > > Thanks, > > Rye Livingston > Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club > Activities Chairman > 1960 TR3A > PH: 530-FIND-RYE > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20160610/f8d1c3d4/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs@autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 136 > **************************************** > --001a11404f220b74d0053516fdd7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rye, I am having the EXACT same issue with my 1963 MGB! Same symptoms and = same checks all resulting the same scratching of head. Obviously a differen= t gearbox and OD unit, so there must be some similarities between OD units = or wiring or something.

Really hoping the list has= some suggestions!

Brian

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Transmission update - for those reading about this for the first time, this= is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's bas= ically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by?a= British car specialist of 40+ years. ?His employee has also been working o= n British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. ?They've re= built literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. ?They had 4 OD cores on thei= r bench as they were showing me different parts of the system.

Symptom -?when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn= 9;t go into OD until I let up. ?When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and pu= nch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate= , then shift back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me,= but I'll try. ?First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this = issue a couple of weeks?ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious= things. ?They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil ty= pe, etc. ?When in OD it's not slipping. ?They've tested the PSI wit= h a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with th= e wheels off the ground. ?

The issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. ?It's over 400 = PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. ?They'v= e taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's = nothing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it = had a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine an= d the other pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on th= e differential, but they've got that one in the car now. ? They showed = me a seal that goes around that piston and said the new seals?are?rubber an= d they got one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforc= ement in it to hopefully make a better seal. ?Not very clear I know, but ho= pefully that?makes sense. ?They've checked the seats where a small ball= bearing must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. ?They said everyt= hing looks absolutely pristine. ?No scoring down passageways that might not= allow maximum PSI, etc. ?They also showed me the linin
=C2=A0g on a?Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and = the rivets looked original.?They put it all back together, went for a test = drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several mo= re hours doing internet research on the problem. ?As they described everyth= ing and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'= ;d send out this email to the list. ?Not that they haven't tried everyt= hing, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven&= #39;t tried, or a test they can run, that will?lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman
1960 TR3A
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Thanks, I'll forwar= d to the mechanic for them to double check.

Rye




On Jun = 11, 2016, at 01:09 AM, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:

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One other thing occurs to me;= that might possibly have gotten overlooked.
On the A-type OD, there ar= e 8 springs that hold the sliding clutch member in
the direct drive pos= ition. The hydraulic cylinders compress those springs
to move the membe= r into the OD position. The springs are two different
lengths, but it's= not unusual for the longer ones to have sagged until the
difference is= not obvious.

If the originally longer springs (which are also heav= ier wire) are
accidentally installed in the inner position (where the s= horter springs
should go), you may be getting coil bind just as the OD = clutch engages.
Nelson mentioned this problem in the Buckeye articles. = He saw it on the
bench while testing with air, but depending on toleran= ces, it might not show
up until driving.

-- Randall


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= --Boundary_(ID_v5Jseqjj51KqpqUw/bT1Rw)-- --Boundary_(ID_4wJ+4c9JfHzFaJmCjXbccw)-- --===============7093211965314963257== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7093211965314963257==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 12 15:24:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECE7258989D for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com (nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com [17.158.88.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA567258A149 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:19:36 -0600 (MDT) nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.36.0 64bit (built Sep 8 2015)) id <0O8O00J00AHUDF00@nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:19:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pv35p12im-ztdg05041001.me.com ([17.133.186.212]) by nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.36.0 64bit (built Sep 8 2015)) with ESMTP id <0O8O00G5QB0PHV20@nk11p12im-asmtp002.me.com>; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:19:38 +0000 (GMT) definitions=2016-06-12_12:,, signatures=0 clxscore=1011 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1510270003 definitions=main-1606120229 Received: from localhost ([17.133.186.150]) by pv35p12im-ztdg05041001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.36.0 64bit (built Sep 8 2015)) with ESMTP id <0O8O006FRB0PTG40@pv35p12im-ztdg05041001.mac.com>; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:19:37 +0000 (GMT) To: "hdrider570@att.net" From: Rye Livingston Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:19:37 +0000 (GMT) MailServer16D250.25128-16A-982-e9c2ef2b8d8a t=1465759178; bh=I+9Y6rJUaOAUE3mJeCDq74U+DUGd8aWiXlCDxItWBik=; h=MIME-version:Content-type:To:From:Subject:Date:Message-id; b=gltgsU5exY4WwsMB0FEg6LbHFkX+zVlZMssy7vINBjdYNbaBx0W0OL8zN92j/b86V pCsSUn/jJzDcLd+4uTaic6IVZNTmvTkmsyqSexJOXgU4EyMiXeWrYuiwG9o8kjoJ/k HyacE6AMP3gV1vv0/IAd+wqjYb8pMZY6YD/+534Tk9nHDxGKTFBV5Z757TRu7/DcrZ CtVkN3I2+9SeAbleELFpnvQxWxuzSylkZntZAW9BReNGDGb6hXizQNcqDsgn4FSyuJ qu7j57wnxHlo2yxorpRAbKzNIKAK47wmj8Gg8RTFgxhhMH8WlhOIiGaIc4nJi937XQ DEAZEg0W5egYg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive issues Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6273150734502225278== boundary="Boundary_(ID_A63/OZpwCfsU3F94XaNZLg)" --Boundary_(ID_A63/OZpwCfsU3F94XaNZLg) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes they've been focused on the=C2=A0hydraulics, and they said all the com= ponents looked "pristine". They've swapped out pistons, seals, etc. =C2=A0= I've forwarded the emails from others to double check the solenoids as wel= l.=0A=0AAlso, FYI, this symptom does it right off the bad when everything = is cold, or after hours of driving and everything very warmed up. =C2=A0In= all ranges of temperature, it doesn't do it any more or less. =C2=A0Very = consistent symptom.=0ARye=0A=0AOn Jun 11, 2016, at 03:07 AM, "hdrider570@a= tt.net" wrote:=0A=0AWhen I had this problem with a J = type OD, it was wear in the pump piston/bore.=C2=A0 This pump uses no seal= s so I expect that your mechanics are talking about the accumulator piston= (s).=C2=A0 Basically when the piston/bore wears the clearances increase wh= ich allows oil to bypass the piston resulting in lower pressure.=C2=A0 One= thing that I noticed was that the slippage was more pronounced once the O= D warmed up thus reducing the viscosity of the oil.=0A=0AI expect that a w= orn drive pin in the piston could cause a similar problem by shortening th= e piston sweep.=0A=0ABottom line is if you are not getting enough oil pres= sure, it is a hydraulic problem which is either not enough supply (pump we= ar?) or excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc.=0A=0AEdwa= rd Hamer=0APetaluma CA=0A=0A** triumphs@autox.team.net **=0A=0ADonate: htt= p://www.team.net/donate.html=0AArchive: http://www.team.net/archive=0AForu= ms: http://www.team.net/forums=0AUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net= /mailman/options/triumphs/ryel@mac.com=0A= --Boundary_(ID_A63/OZpwCfsU3F94XaNZLg) boundary="Boundary_(ID_b4YLyUsRUtn7gF/GAELImQ)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_b4YLyUsRUtn7gF/GAELImQ) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Yes they've been focused on the hydraulics, and they said all th= e components looked "pristine". They've swapped out pistons, seals, etc. &= nbsp;I've forwarded the emails from others to double check the solenoids a= s well.

Also, FYI, this symp= tom does it right off the bad when everything is cold, or after hours of d= riving and everything very warmed up.  In all ranges of temperature, = it doesn't do it any more or less.  Very consistent symptom.
Rye

On Jun 11, 2016, at 03= :07 AM, "hdrider570@att.net" <hdrider570@att.net> wrote:

When I had this= problem with a J type OD, it was wear in the pump piston/bore.  This= pump uses no seals so I expect that= your mechanics are talking about the accumulator piston(s).  Basical= ly when the piston/bore wears= the clearances increase which allows oil to bypass the piston resulting i= n lower pressure.  One thing that I noticed was that the slippage was= more pronounced once the OD warmed up thus reducing the viscosity of the = oil.

I expect that a worn d= rive pin in the piston could cause a similar problem by shortening the pis= ton sweep.

Bottom li= ne is if you are not getting enough oil pressure, it is a hydraulic proble= m which is either not enough supply (pump wear?) or excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma = CA

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If these shoes have worn and are thin, simpl= y put the annulus is not moving far enough to hold (just like maladjusted = brake shoes)=0Aptegler=0A=0AOn 6/10/2016 9:23 PM, Rye Livingston wrote:=0A= I'm very confident that they know what they're doing having worked on hund= reds of transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the similar=C2=A0as= sessments that you have, that it's not that complex and they are stymied w= hy they're not finding an obvious=C2=A0issue. =C2=A0They've replace the o-= rings on the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping to find som= e scratch or something. =C2=A0And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph in 3rd or= 4th, switching on the OD it shifts right in. =C2=A0It's not until it's un= der load that it drops back out. =C2=A0They've done test drives with the p= ressure gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time when there i= s too much pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your email to them.=0A= =0ARye=0A=0AOn Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David Porter wrote:=0A=0AWhat I am reading is that your car has a throttle swi= tch installed. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn= 't go into OD until I let up."=0AThe switch on the dash activates only the= solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operating pistons and= push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.=C2=A0 Period. Did I say Peri= od.=0ASo assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200PSI will engage (r= egardless of what the books say) All the A units are virtually identical. = Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in the accumulator/= lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.=0ASo, you told me before that = there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) installed, therefore it soun= ds to me that there is too much pressure at increased rpm and it is blowin= g the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rings and or piston ring= s. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-engages. I would cert= ainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is no modern computer in= volved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your shop should have found t= he issue by now???=0ADaveP=0A=0AOn 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote= :=0ATransmission update - for those reading about this for the first time,= this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's b= asically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt b= y=C2=A0a British car specialist of 40+ years. =C2=A0His employee has also = been working on British cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. = =C2=A0They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions and ODs. =C2=A0They = had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me different parts of t= he system.=0A=0ASymptom -=C2=A0when I'm accelerating and flip the switch f= or OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up. =C2=A0When in 2-3 or 4th gear= , OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic transmissi= on while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.=0A=0AI'm not= technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll = try. =C2=A0First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a = couple of weeks=C2=A0ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious thing= s. =C2=A0They've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, = etc. =C2=A0When in OD it's not slipping. =C2=A0They've tested the PSI with= a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with th= e wheels off the ground. =C2=A0=0A=0AThe issue is that it's not getting hi= gh enough PSI. =C2=A0It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500= , I think they said 520. =C2=A0They've taken the transmission back out, ta= ken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the pis= ton in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer because = I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a competit= ion pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in t= he car now. =C2=A0 They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and = said the new seals=C2=A0are=C2=A0rubber and they got one like the original= style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a= better seal. =C2=A0Not very clear I know, but hopefully that=C2=A0makes s= ense. =C2=A0They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing must make= a perfect seal, they all look perfect. =C2=A0They said everything looks a= bsolutely pristine. =C2=A0No scoring down passageways that might not allow= maximum PSI, etc. =C2=A0They also showed me the lining on a=C2=A0Sun gear= they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked or= iginal.=C2=A0They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and tha= t didn't fix it.=0A=0AThey've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmissi= on, plus several more hours doing internet research on the problem. =C2=A0= As they described everything and what they've checked, which seems like ev= erything, I said I'd send out this email to the list. =C2=A0Not that they = haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of= info they haven't tried, or a test they can run, that will=C2=A0lead to t= he solution.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARye Livingston=0ATriumph Travelers Sports C= ar Club=0AActivities Chairman=0A1960 TR3A=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A=0A=0A** tr= iumphs@autox.team.net **=0A=0ADonate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=0AAr= chive: http://www.team.net/archive=0AForums: http://www.team.net/forums=0A= @porterscustom.com=0A=0A-- =0ADave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno= St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbik= es.com/=0A=0A=0A** triumphs@autox.team.net **=0A=0ADonate: http://www.team= .net/donate.html=0AArchive: http://www.team.net/archive=0AForums: http://w= ww.team.net/forums=0AUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/opt= ions/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net=0A=0A-- =0APaul Tegler ptegler@verizon.n= et www.teglerizer.com= --Boundary_(ID_bgVzz3k6N0n3dyK1+oSjuw) boundary="Boundary_(ID_8G3g8rS6rl53Jwjk37M9ig)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_8G3g8rS6rl53Jwjk37M9ig) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, even when shifting into OD, I need to ease up for it to engage. =  Then if I aggressively accelerate, it will drop out of OD until I le= t up and it will then shift back in.

I think you are talking about the Sun gear with the lining on the= inside and outside of that gear?  They showed me this, it's getting = a bit over my head technically.  Anyway, if that is the lining you ar= e talking about, they said the lining looked very good and thick, not worn= at all, and all the rivets looked factory.  The lining wasn't s= hiny, but they did scuff it up a little before installation.
Rye

On Jun 11, 2016, at 06:18 A= M, ptegler <ptegler@verizon.net> wrote:

when you say 'drops out' if you ease up, does it come back in?

<= p>If so it IS simply lower pressure and the annulus shoes are not holding = against the ring. If these shoes have worn and are thin, simply put the an= nulus is not moving far enough to hold (just like maladjusted brake shoes)=

ptegler


On 6/10/2016 9:23= PM, Rye Livingston wrote:
I'm ver= y confident that they know what they're doing having worked on hundreds of= transmissions and overdrives, and they've made the similar assessmen= ts that you have, that it's not that complex and they are stymied why they= 're not finding an obvious issue.  They've replace the o-rings o= n the pistons and checked every seal and journal hoping to find some scrat= ch or something.  And yes, at moderate speed, 40 mph in 3rd or 4th, s= witching on the OD it shifts right in.  It's not until it's under loa= d that it drops back out.  They've done test drives with the pressure= gauge on it, and it doesn't sound like there's a time when there is too m= uch pressure, but IDK for sure so I'll forward your email to them.

Rye

On Jun 10, 2016, at 05:22 PM, David P= orter <frogeye@po= rterscustom.com> wrote:

What I am reading is that your car has a thr= ottle switch installed. "when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD,= it doesn't go into OD until I let up."

The switch on the dash activ= ates only the solenoid which allows oil pressure to flow into the operatin= g pistons and push the clutch assembly into the "OD" mode.  Period. D= id I say Period.

So assuming you are going at least 40MPH, even 200P= SI will engage (regardless of what the books say) All the A units are virt= ually identical. Now, having said that, Triumph did specify differences in= the accumulator/lack of accumulator and accumulator spring.

So, you= told me before that there is no throttle switch (kick down relay) install= ed, therefore it sounds to me that there is too much pressure at increased= rpm and it is blowing the oil pressure past the currently installed o-rin= gs and or piston rings. After you decrease engine (ergo pump speed) it re-= engages. I would certainly replace the rings and rubber O-rings. There is = no modern computer involved. This is a purely 'mechanical' issue. Your sho= p should have found the issue by now???

DaveP


On 6/10/2016 9:50 AM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Transmission update - for those reading about = this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Ye= sterday they said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whole transmiss= ion and OD was rebuilt by a British car specialist of 40+ years. &nbs= p;His employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a t= ransmission specialist.  They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissi= ons and ODs.  They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing= me different parts of the system.

Symptom - = ;when I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD u= ntil I let up.  When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it= will downshift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then sh= ift back into OD when I let up.

I'm not technical= enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but I'll try.  = ;First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a couple of = weeks ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things.  T= hey've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc.  = ;When in OD it's not slipping.  They've tested the PSI with a gauge a= ttached while driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels o= ff the ground.  

The issue is that it's not = getting high enough PSI.  It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 t= o over 500, I think they said 520.  They've taken the transmission ba= ck out, taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've chang= ed the piston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softe= r because I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called = a competition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got tha= t one in the car now.   They showed me a seal that goes around that p= iston and said the new seals are rubber and they got one like th= e original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefu= lly make a better seal.  Not very clear I know, but hopefully that&nb= sp;makes sense.  They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing= must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect.  They said everythi= ng looks absolutely pristine.  No scoring down passageways that might= not allow maximum PSI, etc.  They also showed me the lining on a&nbs= p;Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets= looked original. They put it all back together, went for a test driv= e, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent lite= rally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing intern= et research on the problem.  As they described everything and what th= ey've checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email= to the list.  Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping= there may be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they= can run, that will lead to the solution.

Th= anks,

Rye Livingston
Triumph Travel= ers Sports Car Club
Activities Chairman

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I don't know if it was the bypass valve spring, but they did show me = different size washers/shims they were using for some springs. They were t= he diameter of a silver dollar or more. Sorry but I'm just not technical e= nough on transmissions to field all these good questions and suggestions.<= /div>
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m forwarding to British Motorsports.

Thanks,

Rye


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the bypass valv= e spring can be replaced/shimmed to adjust pressure as needed.

ptegl= er


On 6/10/2016 9:04 PM, hdrider570@att.net wrote:
When I ha= d this problem with a J type OD, it was wear in the pump piston/bore. = ; This pump uses no seals so I expec= t that your mechanics are talking about the accumulator piston(s).  B= asically when the piston/bore= wears the clearances increase which allows oil to bypass the piston resul= ting in lower pressure.  One thing that I noticed was that the slippa= ge was more pronounced once the OD warmed up thus reducing the viscosity o= f the oil.

I expect that a = worn drive pin in the piston could cause a similar problem by shortening t= he piston sweep.

Bot= tom line is if you are not getting enough oil pressure, it is a hydraulic = problem which is either not enough supply (pump wear?) or excessive losses somewhere such as bad piston seals etc.

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Same symptoms and sa= me checks all resulting the same scratching of head. Obviously a different= gearbox and OD unit, so there must be some similarities between OD units = or wiring or something.=0A=0AReally hoping the list has some suggestions!=0A= =0ABrian=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A------------------------------------------= ----------------------------=0A=0AMessage: 1=0ADate: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 15:5= 0:18 +0000 (GMT)=0AFrom: Rye Livingston =0ATo: triumph list = list , TTSCC TTSCC=0A=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =0ASubject: [TR] Overdrive issues=0AMessage-ID: <06= d9f0a1-bc70-4a33-9f47-9150424d7930@me.com>=0AContent-Type: text/plain; cha= rset=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"=0A=0ATransmission update - for those rea= ding about this for the first time, this is a 1960 TR3 with a TR4 OD trans= mission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR250 transmission. The whol= e transmission and OD was rebuilt by?a British car specialist of 40+ years= . ?His employee has also been working on British cars for years, and is a = transmission specialist. ?They've rebuilt literally 100s of transmissions = and ODs. ?They had 4 OD cores on their bench as they were showing me diffe= rent parts of the system.=0A=0ASymptom -?when I'm accelerating and flip th= e switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until I let up. ?When in 2-3 or 4th= gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will downshift like an automatic trans= mission while I accelerate, then shift back into OD when I let up.=0A=0AI'= m not technical enough to know how to describe all what they told me, but = I'll try. ?First off, I forwarded the comments when I posted this issue a = couple of weeks?ago, and keep in mind it's not the easy/obvious things. ?T= hey've checked all the electrical, solenoids, ground, oil type, etc. ?When= in OD it's not slipping. ?They've tested the PSI with a gauge attached wh= ile driving down the expressway, and jacked up with the wheels off the gro= und. ?=0A=0AThe issue is that it's not getting high enough PSI. ?It's over= 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to over 500, I think they said 520. ?They= 've taken the transmission back out, taken the OD all apart, and there's n= othing obvious. They've changed the piston in the pump. Originally it had = a pump that would shift softer because I've got a torquey engine and the o= ther pump, which they called a competition pump, would be hard on the diff= erential, but they've got that one in the car now. ? They showed me a seal= that goes around that piston and said the new seals?are?rubber and they g= ot one like the original style that has some sort of metal reinforcement i= n it to hopefully make a better seal. ?Not very clear I know, but hopefull= y that?makes sense. ?They've checked the seats where a small ball bearing = must make a perfect seal, they all look perfect. ?They said everything loo= ks absolutely pristine. ?No scoring down passageways that might not allow = maximum PSI, etc. ?They also showed me the linin=0A=C2=A0g on a?Sun gear t= hey had on the beach, and said mine looked good and the rivets looked orig= inal.?They put it all back together, went for a test drive, and that didn'= t fix it.=0A=0AThey've spent literally 20+ hours on this transmission, plu= s several more hours doing internet research on the problem. ?As they desc= ribed everything and what they've checked, which seems like everything, I = said I'd send out this email to the list. ?Not that they haven't tried eve= rything, but I'm hoping there may be one little nugget of info they haven'= t tried, or a test they can run, that will?lead to the solution.=0A=0AThan= ks,=0A=0ARye Livingston=0ATriumph Travelers Sports Car Club=0AActivities C= hairman=0A1960 TR3A=0APH: 530-FIND-RYE=0A-------------- next part --------= ------=0AAn HTML attachment was scrubbed...=0AURL: =0A=0A= ------------------------------=0A=0ASubject: Digest Footer=0A=0A__________= _____________________________________=0A=0ATriumphs mailing list=0ATriumph= s@autox.team.net=0Ahttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs=0A=0A=0A= ------------------------------=0A=0AEnd of Triumphs Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1= 36=0A****************************************=0A=0A=0A** triumphs@autox.te= am.net **=0A=0ADonate: http://www.team.net/donate.html=0AArchive: http://w= ww.team.net/archive=0AForums: http://www.team.net/forums=0AUnsubscribe/Man= age: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ryel@mac.com=0A= --Boundary_(ID_c9pYCkHC7M8yVhLxEwlH2Q) boundary="Boundary_(ID_RHTfw3F3TEe14CuRRSWByw)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_RHTfw3F3TEe14CuRRSWByw) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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Very interesting= .  The owner of British Motorsports, he's personally an MGB guy, so h= e may find this very interesting that you are having the same issue.
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Rye



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On Jun 12, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Brian Induni <binduni@gmail.com> w= rote:

Rye, I am having the EXACT same issue with my 1963 MGB! Same symptoms a= nd same checks all resulting the same scratching of head. Obviously a diff= erent gearbox and OD unit, so there must be some similarities between OD u= nits or wiring or something.

Really hoping the li= st has some suggestions!

Brian


 


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Transmissi= on update - for those reading about this for the first time, this is a 196= 0 TR3 with a TR4 OD transmission. Yesterday they said it's basically a TR2= 50 transmission. The whole transmission and OD was rebuilt by?a British ca= r specialist of 40+ years. ?His employee has also been working on British = cars for years, and is a transmission specialist. ?They've rebuilt literal= ly 100s of transmissions and ODs. ?They had 4 OD cores on their bench as t= hey were showing me different parts of the system.

Symptom -?when= I'm accelerating and flip the switch for OD, it doesn't go into OD until = I let up. ?When in 2-3 or 4th gear, OD engaged, and punch it, it will down= shift like an automatic transmission while I accelerate, then shift back i= nto OD when I let up.

I'm not technical enough to know how to des= cribe all what they told me, but I'll try. ?First off, I forwarded the com= ments when I posted this issue a couple of weeks?ago, and keep in mind it'= s not the easy/obvious things. ?They've checked all the electrical, soleno= ids, ground, oil type, etc. ?When in OD it's not slipping. ?They've tested= the PSI with a gauge attached while driving down the expressway, and jack= ed up with the wheels off the ground. ?

The issue is that it's no= t getting high enough PSI. ?It's over 400 PSI, but it needs to be 490 to o= ver 500, I think they said 520. ?They've taken the transmission back out, = taken the OD all apart, and there's nothing obvious. They've changed the p= iston in the pump. Originally it had a pump that would shift softer becaus= e I've got a torquey engine and the other pump, which they called a compet= ition pump, would be hard on the differential, but they've got that one in= the car now. ? They showed me a seal that goes around that piston and sai= d the new seals?are?rubber and they got one like the original style that h= as some sort of metal reinforcement in it to hopefully make a better seal.= ?Not very clear I know, but hopefully that?makes sense. ?They've checked = the seats where a small ball bearing must make a perfect seal, they all lo= ok perfect. ?They said everything looks absolutely pristine. ?No scoring d= own passageways that might not allow maximum PSI, etc. ?They also showed m= e the linin
 g on a?Sun gear they had on the beach, and said mine= looked good and the rivets looked original.?They put it all back together= , went for a test drive, and that didn't fix it.

They've spent li= terally 20+ hours on this transmission, plus several more hours doing inte= rnet research on the problem. ?As they described everything and what they'= ve checked, which seems like everything, I said I'd send out this email to= the list. ?Not that they haven't tried everything, but I'm hoping there m= ay be one little nugget of info they haven't tried, or a test they can run= , that will?lead to the solution.

Thanks,

Rye Livingston=
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
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1960 TR= 3A
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My friend is restoring a TR4.  The fenders are pretty bad, so he is= looking for some better parts.  Would buy fenders, or perhaps a whole= parts car.  Would anybody know of some good sheet metal out there?&nb= sp; We are in the St. Louis MO area.


Thanks, Creig

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Just talked to British Motorsports regarding progress on my OD. =  I forwarded all the emails that were sent to me over the weeken= d, thank you for that input.  Some were pretty basic, some were a lot= more detailed and in-depth.  They read through all of them and have = already checked everything mentioned more than once, and they will be chec= king again.

Some he commente= d were very basic, such as eliminating the solenoid from the system b= y manually shifting with the lever which they did on day 1, to checking al= l the pistons, housings, etc for dirt and scratches, which they did on day= 2.

If I've got this all cor= rect, trying to take notes on the phone while he was reviewing everything = with me, they've replaced the pistons and housings twice. On the pistons t= here are some that have O-rings and some that have some sort of steel O-ri= ngs, not sure if this is on the pump or accumulator, but they've tried bot= h combinations.  They've swapped out springs, shims, check balls, etc= .  One note I have here about the accumulator is they've tried two se= ts of pumps and operating pistons.  Where possible they've replaced e= verything in a system at least twice.

He mentione= d to me a week ago, and someone else mentioned it in an email, if there is= any kind of crack or something down in a journal in the casting where&nbs= p;it can't be seen, that could be causing the problem.  He's going to= check a few more things while the transmission is still in the car, = then take it out again and try to rig up some sort of pressure test.
=

Speaking of pressure test, h= e mentioned a test they did with about 120 psi air into the pump= s and all the pistons moving.  Those of you who know about transmissi= ons probably know what that would be.

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Anyway, so far no luck finding the problem. Any other ideas let = me know.

Thanks,
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= --Boundary_(ID_fHLFoaBGao4O9jPSTiGZHg)-- --Boundary_(ID_k/Dh7eUQTDgegcKOoenZHA)-- --===============7380256084197472999== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7380256084197472999==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 14 22:48:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD64258A33E for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:48:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363852589656 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([174.28.161.141]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 6orp1t00233Lgau01orpKB; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 17:51:49 -0700 To: Rye Livingston , triumph list list , TTSCC TTSCC References: <8ff01935-ddde-4d82-a95c-74f423ac68e8@me.com> From: David Porter Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:51:45 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] O/D update Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5940899408415199010== boundary="------------CD2CEC21C187F860CB62321B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CD2CEC21C187F860CB62321B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rye.. being what it is.. if the shop has other units, then install one of them and save you and them a lot of time and further frustration... they keep yours as a core for further examination, though at this point I'm sure they are tired of looking for a gremlin.. DaveP On 6/14/2016 2:17 PM, Rye Livingston wrote: > Just talked to British Motorsports regarding progress on my OD. I > forwarded all the emails that were sent to me over the weekend, thank > you for that input. Some were pretty basic, some were a lot more > detailed and in-depth. They read through all of them and have already > checked everything mentioned more than once, and they will be checking > again. > > Some he commented were very basic, such as eliminating the solenoid > from the system by manually shifting with the lever which they did on > day 1, to checking all the pistons, housings, etc for dirt and > scratches, which they did on day 2. > > If I've got this all correct, trying to take notes on the phone while > he was reviewing everything with me, they've replaced the pistons and > housings twice. On the pistons there are some that have O-rings and > some that have some sort of steel O-rings, not sure if this is on the > pump or accumulator, but they've tried both combinations. They've > swapped out springs, shims, check balls, etc. One note I have here > about the accumulator is they've tried two sets of pumps and operating > pistons. Where possible they've replaced everything in a system at > least twice. > > He mentioned to me a week ago, and someone else mentioned it in an > email, if there is any kind of crack or something down in a journal in > the casting where it can't be seen, that could be causing the problem. > He's going to check a few more things while the transmission is still > in the car, then take it out again and try to rig up some sort of > pressure test. > > Speaking of pressure test, he mentioned a test they did with about 120 > psi air into the pumps and all the pistons moving. Those of you who > know about transmissions probably know what that would be. > > Anyway, so far no luck finding the problem. Any other ideas let me know. > > Thanks, > > Rye > > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ --------------CD2CEC21C187F860CB62321B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Rye.. being what it is.. if the shop has other units, then install one of them and save you and them a lot of time and further frustration... they keep yours as a core for further examination, though at this point I'm sure they are tired of looking for a gremlin..

DaveP


On 6/14/2016 2:17 PM, Rye Livingston wrote:
Just talked to British Motorsports regarding progress on my OD.  I forwarded all the emails that were sent to me over the weekend, thank you for that input.  Some were pretty basic, some were a lot more detailed and in-depth.  They read through all of them and have already checked everything mentioned more than once, and they will be checking again.

Some he commented were very basic, such as eliminating the solenoid from the system by manually shifting with the lever which they did on day 1, to checking all the pistons, housings, etc for dirt and scratches, which they did on day 2.

If I've got this all correct, trying to take notes on the phone while he was reviewing everything with me, they've replaced the pistons and housings twice. On the pistons there are some that have O-rings and some that have some sort of steel O-rings, not sure if this is on the pump or accumulator, but they've tried both combinations.  They've swapped out springs, shims, check balls, etc.  One note I have here about the accumulator is they've tried two sets of pumps and operating pistons.  Where possible they've replaced everything in a system at least twice.

He mentioned to me a week ago, and someone else mentioned it in an email, if there is any kind of crack or something down in a journal in the casting where it can't be seen, that could be causing the problem.  He's going to check a few more things while the transmission is still in the car, then take it out again and try to rig up some sort of pressure test.

Speaking of pressure test, he mentioned a test they did with about 120 psi air into the pumps and all the pistons moving.  Those of you who know about transmissions probably know what that would be.

Anyway, so far no luck finding the problem. Any other ideas let me know.

Thanks,

Rye





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I'm with the "crack in the casting" camp, which can be impossible to track down. mjb. ps: Thanks to those who donated recently for Team.Net server upgrades, working on building a new system. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 15 10:43:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D365625897EF for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:43:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396622588EFF for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([174.28.161.141]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 72gl1t00G33Lgau012glSc; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:40:46 -0700 To: Triumphs From: David Porter Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:40:41 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: [TR] need to buy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net list members: I need one "rothstyle" hubcap for a '69 TR6. Anyone have a decent condition one they will sell me..? DaveP -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Jun 15 14:31:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A3725895BB for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:31:35 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB3A92589584 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:14:44 -0600 (MDT) a=odfryQoefB5CJ4IBix1TPw==:117 a=odfryQoefB5CJ4IBix1TPw==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=VPAXH-zgAAAA:8 a=oslPmu-BUOjzncAmnsQA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=0ACr7BuBvrAA:10 a=tVMoCXGNfU2jrMHxsCJd:22 Received: from [67.83.204.48] ([67.83.204.48:2025] helo=[10.10.10.108]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.9.48312 r(Core:3.6.9.0)) with ESMTP id 6F/AA-02215-329A1675; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:14:43 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: From: George Richardson Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:16:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] need to buy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net is that "rothstyle" or "rostyle"? George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery On 6/15/2016 10:40 AM, David Porter wrote: > list members: > > I need one "rothstyle" hubcap for a '69 TR6. Anyone have a decent > condition one they will sell me..? > > DaveP > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Jun 18 18:50:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E92B25875A8 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:50:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76615258834A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.14.24]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 8Q6B1t0010X8cn201Q6BQi; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:06:14 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:07:02 -0400 Thread-Index: AdHJvjA794St6makQguJbDY9MWBbgw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Dipsticks Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0940626493789670410== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0135_01D1C99C.FCC7F8E0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01D1C99C.FCC7F8E0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just bought a TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches longer than the dipsticks from my other cars. Plus, it has three markings, not two. I realize this may be from a different make of car, but I was wondering if anyone else had seen the longer dipstick with 3 markings in a TR3? Andrew Uprichard ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01D1C99C.FCC7F8E0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know = there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just bought a = TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches longer than = the dipsticks from my other cars.  Plus, it has three markings, not = two.

 

I realize this may be from a different make of car, = but I was wondering if anyone else had seen the longer dipstick with 3 = markings in a TR3?

Andrew = Uprichard

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Sure, always bragging about how long your dipstick is!  :)


On 6/18/2016 8:07 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

I know there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just bought a TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches longer than the dipsticks from my other cars.  Plus, it has three markings, not two.

 

I realize this may be from a different make of car, but I was wondering if anyone else had seen the longer dipstick with 3 markings in a TR3?

Andrew Uprichard



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After much = thought, I have decided to sell my 1975 TR6.  Many of you know this = car and it has been my very spoiled and well kept baby for nearly 20 = years.  I still plan on keeping the TR4 restoration project.  = Someday it will be done!  A link to the craigslist  ad with = You Tube video links for the TR6 follows:

 

http://ocala.cra= igslist.org/cto/5643246750.html

 

Thanks,

Jim = Henningsen

Ocala = FL

------=_NextPart_000_0059_01D1CA28.1E961570-- --===============7280753044208067578== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============7280753044208067578==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 19 18:51:42 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546CB25889C9 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:51:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6DD25883DD for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:22:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (bradakis.com [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEFE411253A for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:22:51 -0600 (MDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <005801d1ca49$a5a76750$f0f635f0$@gmail.com> From: Mark J Bradakis Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:22:44 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40 Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested. In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my other projects. Such is life. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Jun 19 19:24:18 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417F72588B5F for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:24:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com (mail-ob0-f173.google.com [209.85.214.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084D82588A9B for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:49:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hx8so4840328obb.3 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:49:31 -0700 (PDT) h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to; bh=68pSe1SEdbmmLQs1MRLI9Dge+Euh5d6Tet0kidR5zAM=; b=amBSpW36LWkDvM2KXEKgHh9tVziSx+0P4OWpJSpqgyWHhskSP/DUnfji4d2+Buu9yU hhAQJVf7lgM6H/HzXo3LiStWYoVQfdhWJMelE/6/9kdQ84CMC6RRHmQi46/VGEsFHOQR pyqdGjhytBLNasq3x0JIKRYmNcjzKqI/5gG+dIWLygzcdda+EYo3Ge84J6ux4ECaxUOU JZ1aCMZO0wtYmC3s3s1OGYNpDijHNPMhk/Rez9s7VDbyDcJ2OTvvPhwCYDKcdjIhbN7h 9mFyZQOv3JrqvufMl0bITkmNtN4BY7LiwLR7vOj8PDht+mJqRj1mhae/djW59aj9jlQE 6KYQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=68pSe1SEdbmmLQs1MRLI9Dge+Euh5d6Tet0kidR5zAM=; b=hZTEm9jBlBXtr+Q6uBLWPirWEKvtgciHSjMIed9glt4OuFERGB3wdjIAIP2z4Emkwy uIUnFrkA4E7CKq10UeRQBm/Pm6sCTmRdoNCuAlVB01Uy4vUEP0T4geDRC0vmbEmMvasP 1YiOf5N/x/dkHZXNxqBxnywHOcd1act5r9NKGhcQOovEgfEgySI5cIXWgUWXH07owiGk TeGMxfesQ/0VSNIiJ0Bf1OIl/639h+ouarhp9yxyjR88etHN04oo7duPn+b8hZPDsNFb /EETCSI58BAmBmdGv0U/+ZE5hiVTG42DK0JSOwEadQGvl9pwn2nXEENihpvZdgNrT17t FogA== Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-218-88.flagcmtk01.com.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.218.88]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 48sm15135625oti.1.2016.06.19.17.49.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:49:30 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Uprichard , Triumph List References: <013401d1c9be$83d998e0$8b8ccaa0$@uprichard.net> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:49:29 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] Dipsticks Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2167166115809461070== boundary="------------8E002A71D26234551D73B973" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8E002A71D26234551D73B973 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/18/16 5:07 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > > I know there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just > bought a TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches > longer than the dipsticks from my other cars. Plus, it has three > markings, not two. > Series Land Rovers have a dipstick with three markings. The bottom one is the one quart low for street driving mark. The middle one is the full mark if you are driving on the street or off pavement but not on steep inclines. The top mark is the off road full mark and will keep the oil pump pickup submerged in excess of 45 degree angles. Sorry but I do not have one to measure the length. TeriAnn -- Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada --------------8E002A71D26234551D73B973 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 6/18/16 5:07 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

I know there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just bought a TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches longer than the dipsticks from my other cars.  Plus, it has three markings, not two.

Series Land Rovers have a dipstick with three markings.  The bottom one is the one quart low for street driving mark.  The middle one is the full mark if you are driving on the street or off pavement but not on steep inclines.  The top mark is the off road full mark and will keep the oil pump pickup submerged in excess of 45 degree angles.

Sorry but I do not have one to measure the length.

TeriAnn
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Wakeman" Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Dipsticks Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When you do an oil change, fill with the correct amount of oil, run the engine briefly and examine the dipstick. The oil level is correct, the dipstick markings *may be incorrect. If so, remark the dipstick to indicate the correct "full" level. The next time you change the oil, repeat this process, but only refill with one quart less. This new level would be the "Add a Quart" mark. Finish by adding a quart. As long as the dipstick fits the block well and does no cause oil to leak, this is the process to correctly mark the appropriate levels of oil on the dipstick. Works every time. On 6/19/16, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 6/18/16 5:07 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: >> >> I know there was a conversation recently about dipsticks, but I just >> bought a TR3 for restoration and the dip stick is a good 2-3 inches >> longer than the dipsticks from my other cars. Plus, it has three >> markings, not two. >> > Series Land Rovers have a dipstick with three markings. The bottom one > is the one quart low for street driving mark. The middle one is the > full mark if you are driving on the street or off pavement but not on > steep inclines. The top mark is the off road full mark and will keep > the oil pump pickup submerged in excess of 45 degree angles. > > Sorry but I do not have one to measure the length. > > TeriAnn > -- > Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and > Canada > -- Hoyt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 20 00:11:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CAD2588854 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 00:11:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA742588BDE for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 22:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id y7so9245737obt.1 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 21:58:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mgAQCiz/rMvIB7g8xevmmHyqmqRVu0Is1XMVVrLEW6Q=; b=JUIR0+1TcNWbKwiVmImYeflIc+8Ur8tuqG8gSBbe0OED1EoLPIbbaPG8N5tbVJGPBo saR3S+AtLwD11hfR3GajW31JeWY0B5GxCou+9pW5jr83ROvOiGsDXcsUKJ9OnwPuCvzv t162mRrokGBaCYfr+9ggSMHfVXm9WbTeallD64jzgW5WRJBx4vxIUXdChTv8XGTTtUDN UDwQ+ZKKwKu1ImVoAhPw/IXM1NzCCFwZwbD+WW4onQeD5VDxPuFzhAXUdu+VJjY0+iJs drg7U+CEmhflH8hONEg1K7EX6PI5zaA2pLpifINnby82vrotb44LWL7nPSje1uMgeevf grNg== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mgAQCiz/rMvIB7g8xevmmHyqmqRVu0Is1XMVVrLEW6Q=; b=dDDPNW2ayhCr8wD+vxPWNA3O3/X+Ee+fChkD9J9Zonf0Sgqe3jXXmnSHFQXSUgRk6+ BNaf23xDxuSHKxTMVyt0Ig+OmFUbJ4aKJyZynucXehXUHYxx1sifcmX3F6t8nfO5xyuw 4Se9C5HhndRWpQ2xi+rzCEuY0/bojHi/Mqr8fuJBT/0uOAhASHSmL7hrlqEsXlsHlp3J Ly7V33fpthSDWHvRjiP6Dt6/bZ8cZPSyX2Vka3X39iZJMXQOXIRA23o70wyHl9qtRkbw iSJqbstPUpVqF95uv6iixo6KBkwA3XhPe5JF32kCW5HyN/RvJgc0lFvtQ1w0VWkRyxJz n4Iw== Sun, 19 Jun 2016 20:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.157.45.198 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:59:49 -0700 (PDT) References: <005801d1ca49$a5a76750$f0f635f0$@gmail.com> <57673754.8020904@bradakis.com> From: "Lee&John Howard" Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:59:49 -0700 To: Mark J Bradakis Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0588641315711858914== --001a113e26361f18c70535ace821 Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (: John On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested. > > In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all > my other projects. Such is life. > > mjb. > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7@gmail.com > --001a113e26361f18c70535ace821 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Haven't received posting in days. Did I say somet= hing wrong?? (:

John

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis = <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested.
In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my= other projects.=C2=A0 Such is life.

mjb.



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I'll bet a bunch are at TRA and the rest are hiding from the heat and not working on cars.


Dave Massey



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From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available

Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (:

John

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested.

In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my other projects.  Such is life.

mjb.



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[24.250.201.122]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j90sm3159061otc.13.2016.06.20.15.30.57 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:30:57 -0400 Thread-Index: AdHLQyLQXPtw/ZJDTWK+9Pa2viQJMA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] VTR Magazines Available Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3571561818878582565== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01D1CB21.E3DC7410" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01D1CB21.E3DC7410 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List: I have 107 VTR magazines from 1986 forward available for a new home. They have a lot of maintenance and repair tips in the articles. They can be found at the following link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/262488371944?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT &_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 73 jag 76 Celica ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01D1CB21.E3DC7410 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

List:

I have 107 = VTR magazines from 1986 forward available for a new home.  They = have a lot of maintenance and repair tips in the articles.  They = can be found at the following link:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/262488371944?ssP= ageName=3DSTRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1555.l2649

 

Thanks,

Jim = Henningsen

Ocala, FL

 

62 = TR4

75 TR6

73 jag

76 = Celica

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I just checked the threads in Archives and = confirmed that I've been receiving no postings.=C2=A0 There are a few i= n Spam, but I think they crossed from another list.

My cookies= are enabled, and no addresses are blocked in Gmail.=C2=A0 Any suggestions?=

Thanks

John Howard

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Dave= <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
= I think it is more that no one els= e has said anything, right or wrong, in days.

I'll bet a bunch are at TRA and the rest are hiding from the heat and n= ot working on cars.


Dave Massey



=
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7@gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
Cc: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available

Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (:
John

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis= <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Sal= t Lake, I may be interested.

In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my= other projects.=C2=A0 Such is life.

mjb.



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On 6/23/16 2:58 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote:
I just checked the threads in Archives and confirmed that I've been receiving no postings.  There are a few in Spam, but I think they crossed from another list.

My cookies are enabled, and no addresses are blocked in Gmail.  Any suggestions?
I was wondering what happened to the TR list myself.  I assumed traffic was interrupted by Mark working on getting servers up properly.

I have a bunch of old magazines, Lucas catalogues, and an exhaust analyzer I want to put on ebay but I wanted the list to know about it when they went up. The magazines are from the fifties & sixties & have things like first road test of the new TR4, MGB, MGA twin cam, XK-140 and more.

I'm getting ready to launch a new book and need to come up with some up front $$$.

TeriAnn
--
Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and Canada


Thanks

John Howard

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Dave <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
I think it is more that no one else has said anything, right or wrong, in days.

I'll bet a bunch are at TRA and the rest are hiding from the heat and not working on cars.


Dave Massey



-----Original Message-----
From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7@gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
Cc: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available

Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (:

John

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested.

In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my other projects.  Such is life.

mjb.


--------------9FC340C5A1F3D3868A08ECCD-- --===============1745772373475202649== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============1745772373475202649==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 23 20:53:16 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8522589295 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:53:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588B3258950A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:57:51 -0600 (MDT) t=1466733481; bh=Wh9siEfDp3S1B1CIxDD7z41W3i17TvQ4Ux/lKgHwlEg=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From:Subject; b=qPRV423GfmcTXUpVoeXZZRHw1u5O1eR8ZpiLC1PDSRrIO8gqRLe7Tu9Q/FuWccWEcYhf/TFI7vUW3UadwFAdnkZPI5iiG6KRQ5cCdWaJPsalN646yZy1NhLNeAAdJiPCNd5kZhoI6CL/4esp4lAA2MRZUGCOx1BqgxpmoVhQUDH+rqh8zRjzQxTpWVocCbEOMmvWC/+ZoiYJ7fsbexe6QMn1FcnBva1lVVF3PRXWbL9xvs36ONMTXKiMJcTAHAf1i0OrvT7ki597tj8UCmq/V++q7OFfxtDr5t4ZhXhOQqJqdC0uesb49gfxyTa8yn0JXojNgzo36ew6owqtHkEX+Q== Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2016 01:58:01 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.190] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2016 01:58:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2016 01:58:01 -0000 7LWAMQn2XXU43mEDehsKLHCBHR56biOO8NS.WbVncB3XGSSOrIVpIhIiVWs6 HUF8Wr57ESIY5JQx5lLgmZvlHPqTdZN8BYPvMHYaRdtMJHe0MaYN2fsLAmnJ iHVKg7B6QucRx_Uwx17D7CQ7Z5PzPZR26KD4PSEcFps.Oh.GYoKtSGUVFaPi jfPmXz_F0PTFoq5ukoxPmX74SemTi8_SqaVeJTmZRFI64yMpseTkGVuEAADn d0EcN1sZbEaom2GInDaRaUCtZLoC3U2zmS38S6RjcbhHAJ6G4zjp86YWthFL jZIyk2PgqWlp20eHNm26LKhfRyxoeP3MaPDZrPIx7Y_EnGhjgml5f3mO44My 5iP.cIVWLIeNYBx.fjyf4hSWf3n94Ur43P5Sbr6AcGSHMyQAIzMVo4Mx_Tem n75pwjKKxQ0h_0d9401knSY1m93UpPFb5x86pN7WLLisFGihN0VThBs3KXVn JESoD3BaXOP0rhI55Q0D_D5_Ebzp2Bm6gH8rcx9S_DITIg7im_FiHiGOO From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:57:58 -0500 References: <1556d93bf1d-2ed-5a1e@webprd-m29.mail.aol.com> To: Lee&John Howard Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1955108763438833965== boundary=Apple-Mail-BA8D2E86-FA1B-4D34-BAF9-6271DB5B8D92 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-BA8D2E86-FA1B-4D34-BAF9-6271DB5B8D92 charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Received your message here. I had a similar problem, it was something bet= ween Mark's server and AT&T, he fixed it and all was good.=20 Bill Sent from my UNIVAC On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote: I just checked the threads in Archives and confirmed that I've been receivin= g no postings. There are a few in Spam, but I think they crossed from anoth= er list. My cookies are enabled, and no addresses are blocked in Gmail. Any suggesti= ons? Thanks John Howard > On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Dave wrote: > I think it is more that no one else has said anything, right or wrong, in d= ays. >=20 > I'll bet a bunch are at TRA and the rest are hiding from the heat and not w= orking on cars. >=20 >=20 > Dave Massey >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee&John Howard > To: Mark J Bradakis > Cc: triumph list list > Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 4:50 am > Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available >=20 > Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (: >=20 > John >=20 >> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrot= e: >> Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt Lake, I may be interested. >>=20 >> In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all m= y other projects. Such is life. >>=20 >> mjb. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >>=20 >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejoh= n7@gmail.com >=20 >=20 > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1ma= ssey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ash.net --Apple-Mail-BA8D2E86-FA1B-4D34-BAF9-6271DB5B8D92 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,
Received  your message here.   I had a similar problem, it was= something between Mark's server and AT&T, he fixed it and all was good.=  
Bill

Sent from my UNIVAC

On Jun 23, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7@gmail.com> wrote:

I just checked the threads in Archives and con= firmed that I've been receiving no postings.  There are a few in Spam, b= ut I think they crossed from another list.

My cookies are enabl= ed, and no addresses are blocked in Gmail.  Any suggestions?

Thanks

John Howard

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Dave <dave1masse= y@cs.com> wrote:
I= think it is more that no one else has said anything= , right or wrong, in days.

I'll bet a bunch are at TRA and the rest are hiding from the heat and not wo= rking on cars.


Dave Massey



<= div class=3D"h5">-----Original Message-----
From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7@gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
Cc: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 4:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Excellent 1975 TR6 Available

Haven't received posting in days. Did I say something wrong?? (:

John

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Mark J Bradakis <= span dir=3D"ltr"><mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
Looks nice. Swing it by my place here in Salt L= ake, I may be interested.

In truth, getting a running Triumph at this point would likely delay all my o= ther projects.  Such is life.

mjb.



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With the = acquisition of another car came what looks like a gas pipe (wider than a = brake pipe), about 5 feet long with an upturn at one end.  It has = flares and nuts at both ends.

 

I thought = all the gas fittings on  the TR3 were compression in nature (using = an olive) ?

 

By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of = California:  original floors, sills and rockers.  Rear apron = and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact.  = Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill = Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch with = this gem.

 

Andrew

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The car should get a four-wheel alignment. If you are not autocrossing the car, have your alignment tech put in a bit more front toe-in. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 27, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Pat Fischer wrote: > > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 16:10:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FC02586BB1 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:10:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com (st11p02im-asmtp002.me.com [17.172.220.114]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EA025877DE for ; 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Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. > Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and > low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber > update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new > steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the > front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop > says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it > yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep > correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving > along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It > doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the > question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the > steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has > "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as > "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > --001a113d6f464f9c2805364829f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did the shop use a stock rack or possibly a 'quic= k ratio' rack?


Geo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pat F= ischer <pfischer@rmi.net> wrote:
Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Hand= ling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low= profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber upd= ate was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steeri= ng rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front = end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop say= s they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven= it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep co= rrecting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be drivi= ng along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It = doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's= the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the st= eering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, a= nd has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference thi= s as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?<= br>
Many thanks,

Pat Fischer




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--001a113d6f464f9c2805364829f9-- --===============6143207083256522842== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============6143207083256522842==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 17:34:21 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5912588E73 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DA325885AB for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:26:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.5.40]) by p3plsmtpa08-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BwS41t0060roeLu01wS4Kp; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 13:26:05 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'Pat Fischer'" , "'triumph list list'" References: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:26:06 -0400 Thread-Index: AQDpL+CrggpvXuydEEdpHjgTR2alQ6HPA5bQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am going to be interested in seeing the replies to this posting. If the car was handling and driving so well, why would it need a new steering rack? I would have thought expectations should be the owner says "handling of the car continues to be superb" - anything less seems like a problem. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, MI -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat Fischer Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:09 PM To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? Many thanks, Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 18:10:41 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083252587D6B for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:10:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from serval.cherry.relay.mailchannels.net (serval.cherry.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.223.163]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6309F2585F32 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:30:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5984B10093E; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a2ss21.a2hosting.com (ip-10-37-2-55.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.37.2.55]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B8FC71002A6; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:30:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a2ss21.a2hosting.com (a2ss21.a2hosting.com [10.107.128.240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.6.15); Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:30:21 +0000 Received: from 173-21-240-156.client.mchsi.com ([173.21.240.156]:59296 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by a2ss21.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bHdAe-002vE7-13; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:30:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:30:11 -0500 To: Pat Fischer , triumph list list From: Tony Drews References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sounds like they got the toe-in adjustment wrong. Not enough toe-in will make the car darty. Easy to check anyway... Tony At 01:09 PM 6/27/2016, Pat Fischer wrote: >Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > >Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new >tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with >wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the >tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop >also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie >rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. > >First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. >Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't >driven it yet.) > >Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to >keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. >You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes >twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before >this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this >is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more >responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," >but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." > >What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > >Many thanks, > >Pat Fischer > > > > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 18:32:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D842588D28 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm14-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E068C2585E0E for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:37:02 -0600 (MDT) t=1467059835; bh=4RdDX3hsEOuh38seSq1IN5CwZgtBBfnyJekc36hR2js=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=FG60olt5WCdu0O7THwRD9IXMyqQGDcSJI1f/zNKA1dMJiUXjbB7l1J6N9ik7cuVqsbchdCiLE13qcfQeoYGJY7u3+n27kKpdRO4LhcfjPg9zCWpY/eeqEJTKNaOl5GUHehebVQCFlGRQxTtslTvhBnAUJLimUwl00oC2DR/CFo4YhcCVsHp01aJG1uY0bo0M7u99qiqq7WKj1Ri5Y24fcOCHdCy1I4EH6glLzWAhsrNMGPvROkMbMJ9RXEiY97bTa0gl4qBudhUMJuatSbdu9aXeb+tfOoBSiBYEhzSDjOoh3pc+rKT3j/DlFWSvv1stAlDu5btFUEoPHfrVY+4kwQ== Received: from [216.39.60.181] by nm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 20:37:15 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.207] by tm17.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 20:37:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 20:37:15 -0000 l4PZXwt2aq2AFP9Uv_B6Uxz5YezYg9jYxUj8K7NOH0b4zBQm_JK_VvofovC8 8lpGxC0zjRGoTVGKkn1wBSJXeqr3C5AuqRlIPtoLJMiHk01g8PzLV8PQJmil fBXcyTBkgo5Ee0QSF9eix9RUhmgra9fJT3.SAN_pPWGbkQBRV.epSIDRiQ9d 7FkUyPbb0pPvXpR.6QgLV97JnWm5hzAo1Q4FdL.EHuG_Zhf6tQFpsJ1ah53f M5OdYD4j5YmOTWXCm7K6Kg1FhHaFEBGwZz.QzgWwLSg5_2JDa34ZN2VXdJ4T YksYxr64dNXepzrF369S.WgXav3A2VIVP2Kx2L3Y3cg7IMe2Jc3GiQT9GETt gZtgRtj4HkbJZzMoQDq3sB4rEnj40vHA8.NTZddPBZY6llJRiEdQCWd4sYMx 6SfsuwhkkXOVAC8fUo3UZ1Z1a99UhGjdaiNn.tVKrNHg9C0Qoq9oiKeDQpSX pjiuIqdHLS4uoXM99DztlHpQxhBy8F4AQvCy_AKzq3x6Z6CRTFTlQG_6C From: "wbeech" To: "'Pat Fischer'" , "'triumph list list'" References: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:37:12 -0500 Thread-Index: AQDpL+CrggpvXuydEEdpHjgTR2alQ6HPBWAg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pat, Assuming the re-balance fixes the vibration issue, and all the front end and steering bits were properly installed, my thinking is to go back to the alignment and have them re-check the toe-in. Not enough toe can allow the car to wander as you describe. Agreed, by going from a steering rack that you have been driving and has worn over time to a new tight steering should also be a very noticeable difference. Go for a ride together and see if you all can agree on what the sensation is that you are feeling, wouldn't take much time for them to check the toe-in as well. Just my thoughts, Bill 1958 TR3A 1968 Land Rover S2 1988 Morgan 4/4 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat Fischer Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:09 PM To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? Many thanks, Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 18:51:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C932258776D for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:51:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vk0-f44.google.com (mail-vk0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48E2588C09 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:08:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id u64so248951763vkf.3 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:08:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0yGpDh8JZ0ZP8xrq7PcEavueg+2rBSWmsTFnHGsa0F4=; b=hrcR1yMlK2UD/zS7d08hvM05YK1MqXMcO1OEXEA99sOK8nI7P2I7ruyPcE9hdCj4Uy 9EAmeQJ2cC+4XxB0rNeIB1YHRfSXhmhkGqVswKY5rup7j4QK2X1lZSZlA/+srYVojRnw jXIUHjpnzcPtrBls0Y4P/TggKcFHTUiZEYMDgP4rnMut2IrbNTRrqMfGvskklbBjM4po NZTB+ilW7wI9oPE08uNupwkDDdeaeDN2ljTKHHsmDDkGN0Dk4VIXDmn8OodxiN7Gg3DA 8aZBYRxWRA6OHgx37Z+N2bMn17O1rweKD2ldummCFLITfP1KtJ5U4z5JcQZt3wP71N2n tXXQ== d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0yGpDh8JZ0ZP8xrq7PcEavueg+2rBSWmsTFnHGsa0F4=; b=UnItAkDyAig6wYkepekkhoAcA7/FeqKCdyj3dnitFjN9pAzY/KlrogdsEuf/H9x9PW 1f8hnTpueW6sS72AI3IVejN7CQCNguAJ9Jp5hbNlkL9m66E/nNVgVkGNJ2La1JXDT4C2 WOLwISXfVM/o7bZSgumgSKb4Zpi9CrGg3eldnl8NX1dDkvSl77xp3yqmSrZx2JdSHa8k Y31bf0vyrHX9R1hDuYKLtYtHIyfDhnGVi2ClkJYy6/2oWvHvqEOyKsPHqhyHbZOxjr9c YAelLzJ1E52hPpSKoMvWY5u6sq6rWjqYIOTPFjfqKS0miICF/GT3TGFJJra3AE/wrCII fPvg== Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.78.205 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:08:19 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Hoyt Duff Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:08:19 -0400 To: Pat Fischer Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Certainly your expectation should be that it performs as well or better than before. Did they return the old rack and tie-rod ends to you? They should have. On 6/27/16, Pat Fischer wrote: > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. > Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels > and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a > rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed > a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and > lubed the front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop > says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven > it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep > correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be > driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a > bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. > Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after > replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their > words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference > this as "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/hoytduff@gmail.com > -- Hoyt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 19:30:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2711C25879F3 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876D25883B8 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) t=1467062894; bh=6FP2CVn/PuvATJICFw/b43JyACG/nx7VkFOewmJkSY8=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=pSuxkpTJzAExSmszYsiFm3+4rWNzIiFeXm/CMkJ/gzEyGBregMG3AD3mW9dyw6vaydgOXF9YZ/vkRtJ0dNjxftdB+ePxSQygH5q+f2g41TkmocMe3IWMjOSOGScLfKJHgKSTqQPYG+vAQTsFtQ8u4P5rISILZ52MlI3s2jkorIcDmrWI5AW6jik9+ZP4z/ir7ekC7AUccaUzf7PSgzYsJJbDw32j3XhJq5gbO0u+KP2Q6UK41fdcB8YboG6iLoFs3ALTgWfrHIH9v6zWCFWf4tuYOS4aA5GgF5Zdb8RbvsKi3l9m4IBigg/0/caNYF04kIVLaQhWTcUDpdpUJBl6bg== Received: from [98.137.12.189] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 21:28:14 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.214] by tm10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 21:28:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp225.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jun 2016 21:28:14 -0000 fn0vzaWwgEpsMUukAhj2twksyoSDfmH4k2xqjMfHdVHIt1Nj5.UbhUuyJ_bv TTMqs.yvLfeWwZ1EyUUUUUAQDEMbV6yD9sM9pTRb9v8lTnvfDBqRLP7qmWli xlxCsZ0zXg3ZgaDXbY3TjKJonzjIhBw0x7cnBdE897SVvrsJ4opDEw4XoWZm 6UBNVpH5CRmiY1kXrVLRGRq8fspjOiQJaO_kbGFa38dGBhpV8AHFDefuviA3 MkVp1PvjZc72KB8IxKbBH71MkD_JLijeJ5xFL3MYJuRjNADbgsg3tqbrQN7a qDSAPZs0ekdgQ1xn12KmVZkWz4mA1xt9vpbIzsj52OkvwUllk4blbm3SAEbF iheAey3RPGIhMCTmp8.FbSFSEEnPYeOlLmyzzRWc8uQ1oLzD8QWW6eAC5Nuy WH7VihRRhR0rboITuBCqvhLlELIzXGBEAZITV_myr2agLCq1Dsj.m5T8GRYM Og0njSYiEJJroiWQBmzpwrhrYm6fTcMVhgAKGHaZbE4TsHlFMzMoLD79go_8 P From: "wbeech" To: "'Andrew Uprichard'" , References: <003101d1d0a9$851ebe50$8f5c3af0$@uprichard.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 16:28:10 -0500 Thread-Index: AQK49NWB5ZnFxo/e/5bwooed7dw8Np4vik+Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 gas pipe Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4499417477807802542== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01D1D090.E60D89D0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D1D090.E60D89D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew, Assuming it actually was a part of that car, I have had many bits that came with cars that had no relation to it, it could only be the fuel line that goes from the tank to the pump, or cut-off tap in older cars. Looking at a Moss TR2-4 catalog, see item #11 on page 20. Best Regards, Bill (only a dislocated ankle but broke leg 3 places) TS30800L From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 gas pipe With the acquisition of another car came what looks like a gas pipe (wider than a brake pipe), about 5 feet long with an upturn at one end. It has flares and nuts at both ends. I thought all the gas fittings on the TR3 were compression in nature (using an olive) ? By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of California: original floors, sills and rockers. Rear apron and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact. Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch with this gem. Andrew ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D1D090.E60D89D0 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Andrew,

Assuming it actually was a part of that car, I = have had many bits that came with cars that had no relation to it, it = could only be the fuel line that goes from the tank to the pump, or = cut-off tap in older cars.  = Looking at a Moss TR2-4 catalog, see item #11 on page = 20.

Best = Regards,

Bill

(only = a dislocated ankle but broke leg 3 = places)

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs = [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew = Uprichard
Sent: = Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM
To: = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 gas = pipe

 

With the acquisition of another car came what = looks like a gas pipe (wider than a brake pipe), about 5 feet long with = an upturn at one end.  It has flares and nuts at both = ends.

 

I thought all the gas fittings on  the = TR3 were compression in nature (using an olive) = ?

 

By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of = California:  original floors, sills and rockers.  Rear apron = and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact.  = Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill = Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch with = this gem.

 

Andrew

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D1D090.E60D89D0-- --===============4499417477807802542== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4499417477807802542==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 19:53:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868192588B87 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:53:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6172587FEB for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 15:41:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.3.114]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BxhH1t0092Tbmw601xhJCS; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:41:19 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: "'wbeech'" , References: <003101d1d0a9$851ebe50$8f5c3af0$@uprichard.net> <000901d1d0ba$cee120d0$6ca36270$@flash.net> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:41:20 -0400 Thread-Index: AQK49NWB5ZnFxo/e/5bwooed7dw8NgOEjCwznhNqazA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 gas pipe Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8962229440190637263== boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01D1D09B.1E3BD140" Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01D1D09B.1E3BD140 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Bill. The tank has a compression fitting but there is that pipe from the connector to the shut-off. That must be what it is. Reminder for all you sexagenarians and septuagenarians: roller skates are for younger people who don't have brittle bones !!! Andrew From: wbeech [mailto:wbeech@flash.net] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:28 PM To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 gas pipe Andrew, Assuming it actually was a part of that car, I have had many bits that came with cars that had no relation to it, it could only be the fuel line that goes from the tank to the pump, or cut-off tap in older cars. Looking at a Moss TR2-4 catalog, see item #11 on page 20. Best Regards, Bill (only a dislocated ankle but broke leg 3 places) TS30800L From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 gas pipe With the acquisition of another car came what looks like a gas pipe (wider than a brake pipe), about 5 feet long with an upturn at one end. It has flares and nuts at both ends. I thought all the gas fittings on the TR3 were compression in nature (using an olive) ? By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of California: original floors, sills and rockers. Rear apron and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact. Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch with this gem. Andrew ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01D1D09B.1E3BD140 charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Bill. The tank has a compression fitting = but there is that pipe from the connector to the shut-off.  That = must be what it is.

 

Reminder for all you = sexagenarians and septuagenarians:  roller skates are for younger = people who don’t have brittle bones = !!!

Andrew

 

From:= = wbeech [mailto:wbeech@flash.net]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 = 5:28 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 gas = pipe

 

Andrew,

Assuming it actually was = a part of that car, I have had many bits that came with cars that had no = relation to it, it could only be the fuel line that goes from the tank = to the pump, or cut-off tap in older cars.  Looking at a Moss TR2-4 = catalog, see item #11 on page 20.

Best = Regards,

Bill

(only a dislocated ankle = but broke leg 3 places)

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@a= utox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: = Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 gas pipe

 

With the = acquisition of another car came what looks like a gas pipe (wider than a = brake pipe), about 5 feet long with an upturn at one end.  It has = flares and nuts at both ends.

 

I thought = all the gas fittings on  the TR3 were compression in nature (using = an olive) ?

 

By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of = California:  original floors, sills and rockers.  Rear apron = and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact.  = Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill = Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch with = this gem.

 

Andrew

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01D1D09B.1E3BD140-- --===============8962229440190637263== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============8962229440190637263==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 22:36:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7E22588E3F for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:36:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC232588E71 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:38:33 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=BZOBv0Lw4GQy54Ahc0HkSZtH82Ewi0IviHAYoeaF+7dFEDREfWXpLr8OK7lwwLHZ; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.167.13] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bHg6u-0000bn-5W for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:38:36 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: From: Roger Elliott Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:38:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4637392870371063403== boundary="------------070509030405020406000202" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070509030405020406000202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing was said about a quick ratio rack, so hopefully it it the standard ratio rack. Here is what they say the toe in is set for - the only thing I asked about. It is currently set at 18-20 minutes of toe in, or between 1/4 and 1/3 of a degree. The manual has it in inches, but according to a calculator I fond on line, this seems to be in line with the specs. Thanks. On 06/27/2016 03:14 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Did the shop use a stock rack or possibly a 'quick ratio' rack? > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=63907&SortOrder=10 > > Geo > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pat Fischer > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new > tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with > wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the > tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop > also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie > rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. > Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I > haven't driven it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have > to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. > You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes > twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before > this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that > this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is > more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel > to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and > tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net --------------070509030405020406000202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing was said about a quick ratio rack, so hopefully it it the standard ratio rack.

Here is what they say the toe in is set for - the only thing I asked about.

It is currently set at 18-20 minutes of toe in, or between 1/4 and 1/3 of a degree.

The manual has it in inches, but according to a calculator I fond on line, this seems to be in line with the specs.

Thanks.

On 06/27/2016 03:14 PM, Geo Hahn wrote:
Did the shop use a stock rack or possibly a 'quick ratio' rack?


Geo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net> wrote:
Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer




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--------------070509030405020406000202-- --===============4637392870371063403== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============4637392870371063403==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 22:58:28 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3413F2588E87 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 22:58:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA012587A4C for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:43:19 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=glemon@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:2451] helo=cdptpa-web26) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id A9/49-26319-F1AB1775; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:43:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:43:27 +0000 From: To: 'Pat Fischer' , Andrew Uprichard , 'triumph list list' Sensitivity: Normal Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:43:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree with the other e-mails, sounds like not enough to in and you might have gotten the quick ratio rack that Moss and others sell. If they took the front suspension apart they could have conceivably put the upper a-arms on backwards, I don't know that it is even drive able if you do that, but it would certainly mess up castor and steering feel if they did. It is a pretty easy mistake to make if you don't do one side at a time. Greg Lemon TR250 ---- Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I am going to be interested in seeing the replies to this posting. If the > car was handling and driving so well, why would it need a new steering rack? > > I would have thought expectations should be the owner says "handling of the > car continues to be superb" - anything less seems like a problem. > > Andrew Uprichard > Jackson, MI > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat > Fischer > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:09 PM > To: triumph list list > Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question > > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. > Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and > low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber > update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new > steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the > front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says > they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep > correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving > along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It > doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. > Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing > the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and > has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as > "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 23:20:01 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7712B25888F9 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:20:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1492588DFF for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:52:41 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=DXa3cZgar6Trf/bCRMqmn3CzT6+Ri9dFKEQDw2gHiekqueERDHF+IVekGt72PtIi; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.167.13] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bHgKf-0001Je-S9 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 19:52:49 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <006101d1d0b2$22a74a40$67f5dec0$@uprichard.net> From: Roger Elliott Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:52:47 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The steering rack was replaced when the shop heard it clicking as they were pushing it into their garage. My wife went down and verified that there was a clicking noise coming from it. So, it was thought it needed to be replaced. We didn't want something snapping when we were out on a drive. This is a shop we have dealt with a lot in the past and had great confidence in. The owner just retired and sold the shop to a couple of employees that had been working there for several years, so we have had experience with them as well. Though I think the previous owner did most of the work on Pat's car. On 06/27/2016 03:26 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > I am going to be interested in seeing the replies to this posting. If the > car was handling and driving so well, why would it need a new steering rack? > > I would have thought expectations should be the owner says "handling of the > car continues to be superb" - anything less seems like a problem. > > Andrew Uprichard > Jackson, MI > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat > Fischer > Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:09 PM > To: triumph list list > Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question > > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. > Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and > low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber > update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new > steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the > front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says > they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep > correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving > along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It > doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. > Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing > the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and > has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as > "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard@uprichard.net > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Jun 27 23:41:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17D22588BFE for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 23:41:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCDD2587FEB for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:00:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.232.246]) by p3plsmtpa06-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id C00k1t0055Ke1Uf0100ls5; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:00:45 -0700 To: Geo Hahn , Pat Fischer References: From: David Porter Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 18:00:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============9163180948488173162== boundary="------------6572F271EAD0A701CB5D4BAC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6572F271EAD0A701CB5D4BAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit good point! On 6/27/2016 2:14 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Did the shop use a stock rack or possibly a 'quick ratio' rack? > > http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=63907&SortOrder=10 > > Geo > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pat Fischer > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. > > Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new > tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with > wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the > tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop > also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie > rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. > > First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. > Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I > haven't driven it yet.) > > Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have > to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. > You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes > twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before > this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that > this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is > more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel > to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." > > What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and > tie-rod ends? > > Many thanks, > > Pat Fischer > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ --------------6572F271EAD0A701CB5D4BAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

good point!


On 6/27/2016 2:14 PM, Geo Hahn wrote:
Did the shop use a stock rack or possibly a 'quick ratio' rack?


Geo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net> wrote:
Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer




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I have been autocrossing my TR250 for a number of years, but decided it was time to try something else as I can't quite keep up with the Sprites and Miatas. Didn't want spend a ton of money wanted something different, got a cheap Porsche 924, put on new struts and shocks, upgrade to factory sport option sway bars, a few other tricks and adjustments gleaned from Internet wisdom and some sticky summer performance tires and she is ready to go. First time out was yesterday, a little disappointed with the times. I am close to home, decide to get the TR at the noon break. Without getting a stellar run in it is about a second quicker than the "modern" Porsche. Same course, same driver, different car. Less sticky tires, more flexible chassis, front weight bias overcome by good old fashioned chuckability and super dooper low end torque coming out of the corners. Score one for the good guys. Regards, Greg Lemon TR250 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Jun 28 06:09:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87184258907E for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:09:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-a002e.mx.aol.com (omr-a002e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78F2588FEF for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 05:44:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.207]) by omr-a002e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E5B1C3800090 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mdd03f.mail.aol.com (core-mdd03.mail.aol.com [172.27.62.13]) by mtaomg-mce01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C07D038000083 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webprd-m34.mail.aol.com (10.74.71.82) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:44:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:44:36 -0400 From: Dave To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20150623; t=1467114276; bh=YU4KuAi5heMxmyyT83GQ3SfcyLw/p9OepFgCNooNyFw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E0wErCuCTguCcIfSkte/KD+wRSEY0qeXVJCyW013ebTzIojOZ6STq4MqTGHvUkZgf LbOXODeqm0H9sBmwbnP+Gni4T4C7z8MTGeGbKG5ks+jdlVNVD4ytASBrqbXA7kKLIT j6Og86CYNS+xmwLZck4jkfC8rhHxrMFpR0TUE4U0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcf5772632449cb Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1760004589200101071== boundary="----=_Part_1203_1613680301.1467114276652" ------=_Part_1203_1613680301.1467114276652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like the caster adjustment is out. TR3's have zero caster and I am forever correcting the steering to keep it in the lane. Dave Massey -----Original Message----- From: Pat Fischer To: triumph list list Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires. Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and lubed the front end. First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven it yet.) Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done. Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference this as "twitchy-ness." What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends? Many thanks, Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ------=_Part_1203_1613680301.1467114276652 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds like the caster adjustment is out.  TR3's have zero caster and I am forever correcting the steering to keep it in the lane.

Dave Massey



-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net>
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm
Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires.
Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels
and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a
rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed
a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and
lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop
says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven
it yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep
correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be
driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a
bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done.
Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after
replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their
words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference
this as "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer




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= pure rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was befo= re.
Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment (other t= han initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment and wheel ba= lance =3D tracking
They simply have not gotten your alignment etc anyw= here near where it was before.

why did they say you needed a new= steering rack?  Recent accident? (major shock/jolt)  over 50-80K= miles of rough roads since last serviced?
 
 
 
Paul Tegler
ptegler@verizon.netwww.teglerizer.com
 
On 06/28/16, Davecom> wrote:
 =
That sounds like the caster adjustment is ou= t.  TR3's have zero caster and I am forever correcting the steering to= keep it in the lane.

Dave Massey


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Fischer <= ;pfischer@rmi.net>
To: triumph list list <triumphs@= autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm
Subject: [= TR] TR250 handling question

Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expe= rtise here.

Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body rep= air and new tires.
Handling of the car has always been superb with wi= der-than-stock wheels
and low profile tires, but the two of the tires= were 15 years old, so a
rubber update was needed. The shop also told= me that the car also needed
a new steering rack and tie rod ends. Th= ey did this, set alignment and
lubed the front end.

First = getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop
say= s they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven
i= t yet.)

Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and = you have to keep
correcting with steering to keep it straight in its = lane. You'll be
driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goe= s twitching left a
bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before t= his work was done.
Here's the question: the shop tells us that this i= s normal after
replacing the steering rack, that "the car is mor= e responsive," in their
words, and has "a more immediate fe= el to it," but they also reference
this as "twitchy-ness.&q= uot;

What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack an= d tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat Fischer

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From: Andrew Uprichard To: 'wbeech' ; triumphs@autox.team.net=20 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 gas pipe =20 #yiv1370171763 #yiv1370171763 -- _filtered #yiv1370171763 {font-family:Cali= bri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1370171763 {font-family:T= ahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv1370171763 #yiv1370171763 p.yiv137= 0171763MsoNormal, #yiv1370171763 li.yiv1370171763MsoNormal, #yiv1370171763 = div.yiv1370171763MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0= pt;}#yiv1370171763 a:link, #yiv1370171763 span.yiv1370171763MsoHyperlink {c= olor:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1370171763 a:visited, #yiv13701717= 63 span.yiv1370171763MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:und= erline;}#yiv1370171763 p.yiv1370171763MsoAcetate, #yiv1370171763 li.yiv1370= 171763MsoAcetate, #yiv1370171763 div.yiv1370171763MsoAcetate {margin:0in;ma= rgin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:8.0pt;}#yiv1370171763 span.yiv1370171763Email= Style17 {color:windowtext;}#yiv1370171763 span.yiv1370171763EmailStyle18 {c= olor:#1F497D;}#yiv1370171763 span.yiv1370171763BalloonTextChar {}#yiv137017= 1763 span.yiv1370171763EmailStyle21 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv1370171763 .yiv1370= 171763MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1370171763 {margin:1.= 0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1370171763 div.yiv1370171763WordSection1 {}#yiv1= 370171763 Thanks Bill. The tank has a compression fitting but there is that= pipe from the connector to the shut-off.=C2=A0 That must be what it is. = =C2=A0Reminder for all you sexagenarians and septuagenarians:=C2=A0 roller = skates are for younger people who don=E2=80=99t have brittle bones !!! Andrew =C2=A0From: wbeech [mailto:wbeech@flash.net]=20 Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:28 PM To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 gas pipe =C2=A0Andrew,Assuming it actually was a part= of that car, I have had many bits that came with cars that had no relation= to it, it could only be the fuel line that goes from the tank to the pump,= or cut-off tap in older cars.=C2=A0 Looking at a Moss TR2-4 catalog, see i= tem #11 on page 20.Best Regards,Bill(only a dislocated ankle but broke leg = 3 places)TS30800L =C2=A0From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.= net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 gas pipe =C2=A0With the acquisition of another car came w= hat looks like a gas pipe (wider than a brake pipe), about 5 feet long with= an upturn at one end.=C2=A0 It has flares and nuts at both ends. =C2=A0I t= hought all the gas fittings on=C2=A0 the TR3 were compression in nature (us= ing an olive) ? =C2=A0By the way, what a thrill to get a car out of Califor= nia:=C2=A0 original floors, sills and rockers.=C2=A0 Rear apron and rear wh= eel arches all solid and all the captive nuts intact.=C2=A0 Only rust throu= gh is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks to Bill Beecher (broken ankle= not withstanding) for putting me in touch with this gem. =C2=A0Andrew ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive 3@yahoo.com ------=_Part_318696_1042436351.1467129428917 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill
were you = playing ice hockey again?




From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
= To: 'wbeech' <wbeech@flash= .net>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 gas pipe

Thanks Bill. The tank has a compression fitting but there is that pipe f= rom the connector to the shut-off.  That must be what it is.
&n= bsp;
Reminder for all yo= u sexagenarians and septuagenarians:  roller skates are for younger pe= ople who don=E2=80=99t have brittle bones !!!

Andrew
 =
From: wbeech [mailto:= wbeech@flash.net]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 5:2= 8 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; triumphs@autox.team.n= et
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 gas pipe
 
Andrew,=
Assuming it actually was a part of that car, I have h= ad many bits that came with cars that had no relation to it, it could only = be the fuel line that goes from the tank to the pump, or cut-off tap in old= er cars.  Looking at a Moss TR2-4 catalog, see item #11 on page 20.
Best Regards,
=
Bill
(only a di= slocated ankle but broke leg 3 places)
TS30800L
<= span style=3D"color:#1F497D;">  
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of And= rew Uprichard
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 2:24 PM<= br clear=3D"none">To: triumphs@autox.= team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 gas pipe
 
With the acquisition of another car cam= e what looks like a gas pipe (wider than a brake pipe), about 5 feet long w= ith an upturn at one end.  It has flares and nuts at both ends.
<= div class=3D"yiv1370171763MsoNormal">  
I thought all the gas fittings on  the TR3 were compressi= on in nature (using an olive) ?
=  
By the way, what a thril= l to get a car out of California:  original floors, sills and rockers.=   Rear apron and rear wheel arches all solid and all the captive nuts = intact.  Only rust through is a small area in the trunk floor. Thanks = to Bill Beecher (broken ankle not withstanding) for putting me in touch wit= h this gem.
 
Andrew


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I'm with the others who suspect more than a bit of BS. Did the rack really need to be replaced? Did they even try to set the toe properly? Did they leave the front tires at around 48 psi each?

Past reputation of the shop notwithstanding, call me suspicious! ;)

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us


-----Original Message-----
From: Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net>
To: triumph list list <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 3:59 pm
Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here....
 ------=_Part_11174_1108095801.1467242745401-- --===============0629321767304344675== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive --===============0629321767304344675==-- From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Jun 30 09:46:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96749258A074 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA486258A10A for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 09:25:03 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=N+MzPASsn4Eovn8k407vA5/f9qyFdEDhlCE/zvSMF5NRN9pg5Xa/qN7eaJiBN7VY; h=Received:Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.167.13] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1bIdqA-0005D3-1P; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:25:18 -0400 To: "Andrew S. Mace" , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1559e7b8e3b-7cce-2369@webprd-a80.mail.aol.com> From: Pat Fischer Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:25:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0324625047023358420== boundary="------------333062429AF2815D81468D89" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------333062429AF2815D81468D89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did the rack really need to be replaced? Good question, which I can't answer at this point, the relevant part being gone. Yes, they did over inflate the tires, which we fixed. The shop re-balanced this week, saying their balancer needed recalibrating. Issues are improved, but steering wheel shaking near 70 mph is still there and some drift on secondary highways. Body and paint work I had done there was ultimately satisfactory - after some struggle. We will seek help from a different shop, as I think this one has had enough chances. Maybe this is a hint to take our cars to people who are at least as old as the cars are - though that will be more difficult as time goes by, eh? The previous owner of a shop at this location retired and sold the business to a guy who was working there. Even under a new name the shop carried over some of hint of assumption of competence, perhaps misplaced. I hate losing a good source for service, but it happens. Thanks to everyone for your assistance and good ideas. Pat On 6/29/2016 6:25 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote: > I'm with the others who suspect more than a bit of BS. Did the rack > really need to be replaced? Did they even try to set the toe properly? > Did they leave the front tires at around 48 psi each? > > Past reputation of the shop notwithstanding, call me suspicious! ;) > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, > Triumph Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Fischer > To: triumph list list > Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 3:59 pm > Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question > > Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.... > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4613/12524 - Release Date: 06/30/16 > --------------333062429AF2815D81468D89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Did the rack really need to be replaced? Good question, which I can't answer at this point, the relevant part being gone. Yes, they did over inflate the tires, which we fixed. The shop re-balanced this week, saying their balancer needed recalibrating. Issues are improved, but steering wheel shaking near 70 mph is still there and some drift on secondary highways. Body and paint work I had done there was ultimately satisfactory - after some struggle.

We will seek help from a different shop, as I think this one has had enough chances.

Maybe this is a hint to take our cars to people who are at least as old as the cars are - though that will be more difficult as time goes by, eh? The previous owner of a shop at this location retired and sold the business to a guy who was working there. Even under a new name the shop carried over some of hint of assumption of competence, perhaps misplaced. I hate losing a good source for service, but it happens.

Thanks to everyone for your assistance and good ideas.

Pat


On 6/29/2016 6:25 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
I'm with the others who suspect more than a bit of BS. Did the rack really need to be replaced? Did they even try to set the toe properly? Did they leave the front tires at around 48 psi each?

Past reputation of the shop notwithstanding, call me suspicious! ;)

--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us


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From: Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net>
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Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here....

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For confirmation, go check any site recommending alignments for road = track / autocross racing. =20 Here is one - http://winhpde.com/track-alignment/ And another http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html =20 (Ted Schumacher, you and pipe in any time here =E2=80=A6) =20 Most of us want our Triumphs tuned like we are driving on a road course = race track. =20 The handling description described is similar to driving on a road of = ball bearings or ice? =20 That is oversteer from too much negative camber or too much toe, or = both, and with full independent suspension, this becomes more critical = for optimum handling because all four wheels must be properly adjusted = for correct handling. =20 Tire size will directly affect the camber condition if the tire is wider = or narrower than OE, the camber will be directly affected. Alignment = specifications are set for OE standard tires, which are not available o = for most of our LBC=E2=80=99s these days. =20 Unless there are bad suspension components or misadjusted wheel = bearings, the handling condition is completely indicative of incorrect = alignment. =20 I had a local alignment guy who did alignments for Rocky Mountain = Vintage Racers, and he could set up 4 wheel alignment to handle any way = the driver wanted =E2=80=93 understeer =E2=80=93 oversteer =E2=80=93 = neutral. Depending on the type of suspension, each setup by suspension type is = different. =20 TR250=E2=80=99s have full IRS, so rear toe / camber is just as important = as the front.=20 =20 Front toe in adds to the eagerness of the turn, rear toe in adds to the = quickness to rotate into a turn. Camber affects how the tire contacts the road surface. Too much = negative camber and you product oversteer. =20 Combine with incorrect toe in and negative camber and the car feels like = it is on ice or ball bearings =20 My Stags were like that, so was my TR250. The Stag uses Struts, the = TR250 uses A Arms. I had my guy set the camber and toe front and rear = at the edge of the specs between neutral and oversteer handling, and = they now ride like they are on rails, solid as a rock, yet responsive = and predictive. =20 =20 =20 Glenn Merrell =20 +1 (303) 817-8559 mobile aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook) Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone = chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with the = occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D =20 =20 =20 From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = ptegler@verizon.net Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:49 AM To: dave1massey@cs.com; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling question =20 pure rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was = before.=20 Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment (other than = initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment and wheel = balance =3D tracking They simply have not gotten your alignment etc anywhere near where it = was before. why did they say you needed a new steering rack? Recent accident? = (major shock/jolt) over 50-80K miles of rough roads since last = serviced?=20 =20 =20 =20 Paul Tegler ptegler@verizon.net www.teglerizer.com =20 On 06/28/16, Dave To: triumph list list Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2016 2:58 pm Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question Hello, Listers. Hoping for your expertise here. Took the 250 to a local shop for some small body repair and new tires.=20 Handling of the car has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels=20 and low profile tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a=20 rubber update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed = a new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and=20 lubed the front end. First getting the car back, the car vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop=20 says they've fixed that with re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven=20 it yet.) Next, the car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep = correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be=20 driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching left a=20 bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work was done.=20 Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal after=20 replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more responsive," in their = words, and has "a more immediate feel to it," but they also reference=20 this as "twitchy-ness." What should expectations be upon replacing steering rack and tie-rod = ends? Many thanks, Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com =20 _____ =20 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01D1D2E3.365563F0 charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am going to side with Massey on this one, because, he is almost = correct.

For confirmation, go check any site recommending alignments for road = track / autocross=C2=A0 racing.=C2=A0

Here is one - http://winhpde.com/track-ali= gnment/

And =C2=A0another = http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html

=

 

(Ted Schumacher, you and pipe in any time here = =E2=80=A6)

 

Most of us want our Triumphs tuned like we are driving on a = road=C2=A0 course race track.

 

The handling description described =C2=A0is similar to driving on a = road of ball bearings or ice?=C2=A0

That is oversteer from too much negative camber or too much toe, or = both, and with full independent suspension, this becomes more critical = for optimum handling because all four wheels must be properly adjusted = for correct handling.

 

Tire size will directly affect the camber condition if the tire is = wider or narrower than OE, the camber will be directly affected.=C2=A0 = Alignment specifications are set for OE standard tires, which are not = available o for most of our LBC=E2=80=99s these = days.

 

Unless there are bad suspension components or misadjusted wheel = bearings, =C2=A0the handling condition is completely indicative =C2=A0of = incorrect alignment.

 

I had a local alignment guy who did alignments for Rocky Mountain = Vintage Racers, and he could set up 4 wheel alignment to handle any way = the driver wanted =E2=80=93 understeer =E2=80=93 oversteer =E2=80=93 = neutral.

Depending on the type of suspension, each setup by suspension type is = different.

 

TR250=E2=80=99s have full IRS, so rear toe / camber is just as = important as the front.

 

Front toe in adds to the eagerness of the turn, rear toe in adds to = the quickness to rotate into a turn.

Camber affects how the tire contacts the road surface.=C2=A0 Too much = negative camber and you product oversteer.

 

Combine with incorrect toe in and negative camber and the car feels = like it is on ice or ball bearings

 

My Stags were like that, so was my TR250. =C2=A0The Stag uses Struts, = the TR250 uses A Arms. =C2=A0I had my guy set the camber and toe front = and rear at the edge of the specs between neutral and oversteer = handling, and they now ride like they are on rails, solid as a rock, yet = responsive and predictive. =C2=A0

 

 

Glenn Merrell=C2=A0

+1 (303) 817-8559 mobile

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on = FaceBook)

Remember, =E2=80=9Cthe BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; = Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen =E2=80=A6 with = the occasional smell of manure!=E2=80=9D

 

 

 

From:= = Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of = ptegler@verizon.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:49 = AM
To: dave1massey@cs.com; = triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 handling = question

 

pu= re rubish. Plain and simple they screwed up your alignment as it was = before.
Just replacing the rack has nothing to do with alignment = (other than initial adjustment of course) Camber and caster, alignment = and wheel balance =3D tracking
They simply have not gotten your = alignment etc anywhere near where it was before.

why did they say = you needed a new steering rack?  Recent accident? (major = shock/jolt)  over 50-80K miles of rough roads since last serviced? =

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Pa= ul Tegler
ptegler@verizon.net
www.teglerizer.com

&n= bsp;

On= 06/28/16, Dave<dave1massey@cs.com></dave1massey@ = wrote:

&n= bsp;

T= hat sounds like the caster adjustment is out.  TR3's have zero = caster and I am forever correcting the steering to keep it in the = lane.

 

D= ave Massey

 

 

-= ----Original Message-----
From: Pat Fischer <pfischer@rmi.net>
To: triumph list list = <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jun 27, = 2016 2:58 pm
Subject: [TR] TR250 handling question

Hello, = Listers. Hoping for your expertise here.

Took the 250 to a local = shop for some small body repair and new tires.
Handling of the car = has always been superb with wider-than-stock wheels
and low profile = tires, but the two of the tires were 15 years old, so a
rubber = update was needed. The shop also told me that the car also needed
a = new steering rack and tie rod ends. They did this, set alignment and =
lubed the front end.

First getting the car back, the car = vibrated at 70 on the highway. Shop
says they've fixed that with = re-balancing the tires. (I haven't driven
it yet.)

Next, the = car feels skittish, jittery at 50-60 mph, and you have to keep =
correcting with steering to keep it straight in its lane. You'll be =
driving along just fine and then Whoops! there is goes twitching = left a
bit. It doesn't feel stuck to the road as before this work = was done.
Here's the question: the shop tells us that this is normal = after
replacing the steering rack, that "the car is more = responsive," in their
words, and has "a more immediate = feel to it," but they also reference
this as = "twitchy-ness."

What should expectations be upon = replacing steering rack and tie-rod ends?

Many thanks,

Pat = Fischer




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