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I then set about removing the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction M= anual for the TR2. (3d Edition, 6th printing).=C2=A0 I am also using the Ha= ynes book for Triumphs. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.=C2=A0 One int= eresting item to note:=C2=A0 when removing the nut and washer on the left s= ide, I found 3 shims behind the washer.=C2=A0 They were made from a Budweis= er can, so I know that they are not original.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Not sure why, bu= t I will probably put them back.=C2=A0 The left side is not the side that w= as originally leaking. I dismantled the brakes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle c= asing, and expected to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manu= al says. But nothing budged.=C2=A0 I then pounded a thin paint scraper betw= een the hub and axle casing.=C2=A0 That was the only place that I could see= where it could come apart.=C2=A0 It did, and I removed the hub, but no axl= e shaft.=C2=A0 The oil seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings a= re still attached somehow.=C2=A0 The axle shaft=C2=A0 does spin, and does p= ush in and pull out about 1/4 inch, or less..=C2=A0 I thought the the beari= ng and seal and hub needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft. I don't remember the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.=C2=A0= Evidently, I ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seal= s, and then reassembled. In looking at the oil seal I just removed, it looks like part of it has nev= er seen any oil.=C2=A0 It is completely dry.=C2=A0 Yes, I have kept the rea= r end full, and have greased the grease fitting.=C2=A0 Also, it does appear= that the wheel bearings have been replaced before (not by me), as they are= marked "made in the USA"=C2=A0 The reason I wanted to take the axle shaft = out is twofold:=C2=A0 1)=C2=A0 I like to follow instructions, and that's wh= at the manual said, and 2) I wanted to look at the wheel bearing. So, what am I doing wrong? Why doesn't the axle shaft just slide out, as th= e manual says?=C2=A0 What am I missing? I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them to my Flickr site, in an= album labeled "TR2".=C2=A0 They are at the end of the album.=C2=A0 I also = included pictures of the rear axle drawings and instructions from the manua= l, plus "Service Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The breather is, and has be= en, clean. The link to that album is:=C2=A0 TR2 |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 TR2 Explore this photo album by David on Flickr! | | | I tried to take pictures of everything, including the axle shaft "pulled ou= t" and "pushed in".=C2=A0 There's also pictures of the Bud shims. I have not attempted to take the right side off.=C2=A0 Just in case I am do= ing something wrong; although, it is at the point where the axle shaft shou= ld just pull out, and it doesn't. A last (for now) interesting note.=C2=A0 I acquired the TR2 from a friend a= bout 1985.=C2=A0 I drove it for about a year, then parked it and raised kid= s.=C2=A0 I started my restoration about 2002, and finished a couple of year= s later. As I said before, it has been parked again since about 2011.=C2=A0= Of it's 67 year life, I have owned it for about 36 years, but certainly no= t driving it. Thank you, in advance, for your help, David ------=_Part_1756207_1491425490.1630624342483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All - Thanks for the suggestions, they are all greatly appreciate= d.  I liberally sprayed the offending drum with penetrating oil. = Due to the smoke and ash from the wildfires, I couldn't get back out to th= e shop for a couple of days.  But, when I did, it popped right off!&nb= sp; I didn't see any signs of massive rust, so I am guessing that it was ju= st old oil, grease and misc road grime.  I will clean everything real = well before I put it back together.

I then set about remo= ving the axle shafts, as per the Service Instruction Manual for the TR2. (3= d Edition, 6th printing).  I am also using the Haynes book for Triumph= s. I have the earlier style of TR2 axle.  One interesting item to note= :  when removing the nut and washer on the left side, I found 3 shims = behind the washer.  They were made from a Budweiser can, so I know tha= t they are not original.  3D"Emoji"  Not s= ure why, but I will probably put them back.  The left side is not the = side that was originally leaking.

I dismantled the br= akes, took out the 4 bolts holding the hub to the axle casing, and expected= to be able to just pull the axle shaft out, as the manual says. But nothin= g budged.  I then pounded a thin paint scraper between the hub and axl= e casing.  That was the only place that I could see where it could com= e apart.  It did, and I removed the hub, but no axle shaft.  The = oil seal came out with the hub, but the wheel bearings are still attached s= omehow.  The axle shaft  does spin, and does push in and pull out= about 1/4 inch, or less..  I thought the the bearing and seal and hub= needed to be pressed onto the axle shaft.

I don't rememb= er the specifics of replacing the oil seals previously.  Evidently, I = ran into the same problem before, just installed the oil seals, and then re= assembled.

In looking at the oil seal I just removed, i= t looks like part of it has never seen any oil.  It is completely dry.=   Yes, I have kept the rear end full, and have greased the grease fitt= ing.  Also, it does appear that the wheel bearings have been replaced = before (not by me), as they are marked "made in the USA"  The reason I= wanted to take the axle shaft out is twofold:  1)  I like to fol= low instructions, and that's what the manual said, and 2) I wanted to look = at the wheel bearing.

So, what am I doing wrong? Why does= n't the axle shaft just slide out, as the manual says?  What am I miss= ing?

I have taken some pictures, and have uploaded them t= o my Flickr site, in an album labeled "TR2".  They are at the end of t= he album.  I also included pictures of the rear axle drawings and inst= ructions from the manual, plus "Service Diagnosis" (Troubleshooting).. The = breather is, and has been, clean.

The link to that al= bum is:  TR2