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To: Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] (no subject)
From: Stephen Hutchings <s.hutchings@rogers.com>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 17:49:24 -0400
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Harold, that chart is really useful.
What I=E2=80=99m wondering, is if you opt for the 165 15 size- what =
height ratio works best?
I mean, some of the brands like Continental have a specification like =
165 65 15.
I noticed that you said you find the Vredestein Classic 185/70 HR 15 =
look out of place=E2=80=A6so you find the 70 height ratio too small?
I don=E2=80=99t want any rubbing.

Stephen BJ8

> On May 6, 2025, at 11:52=E2=80=AFAM, Harold Manifold =
<manifold@telus.net> wrote:
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> Mitchell,
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> Tires are a somewhat contentious issue in the Healey world. I do have =
a background in the automotive world and started with the basics to pick =
a tire. Originally my car had 4" wide rims which limited the tire choice =
to a 165 HR 15. I upgraded to 4.5" wide rims which opens up a number of =
possibilities. The second consideration is to match the sidewall height =
of the original tires for a couple of reasons. The profile of the wheel =
well on our Healey is basically the same for all models. The tires =
should have an OD close to the original Roadspeed 5.90H15 to maintain =
the right look. Another consideration is the tire is a part of the =
suspension system and the sidewall of the tire influences the ride. A =
lower sidewall tends to produce a stiffer and harsher ride.
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> I chose the Michelin XAS 180 HR 15 and am very happy with the look, =
ride and performance. If your BJ8 is a phase 2 with the raised =
suspension in my opinion the 165 HR 15 has too small a diameter and =
doesn't look at home within the wheel well profile. For the same reason =
I think the 185/70HR15 profile tires look out of place as well.
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> For comparison this is the table I put together to help pick out =
tires. All of these will fit a 4.5" - 5" wide rim. The wider tires could =
have clearance issues but reports are they do fit.
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> Tire  Size     Inflated Diameter       Inflated Width=20
> Road Speed RS5        5.90H15                    26.0                  =
6.4
> Michelin XAS  165 HR 15                          25.4                  =
6.6
> Michelin XAS  180 HR 15                          26.8                  =
6.9
> Vredestein Sprint Classic     165HR15                    25.4          =
        6.6
> Vredestein Sprint Classic     185HR15                    26.7          =
        7.4
> Vredestein Sprint Classic     185/70HR15                         25.2  =
                7.4
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> Hope this helps. The list has been quiet for a while so maybe this =
post will start a tire controversy!
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> Harold
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> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach via Healeys =
>> I use that tire on my BJ8 as it is closest to the original bias 590s. =
The 180 may affect your speedometer reading and could rub the sidelight =
wires but many use that size no matter. Anything bigger for sure will =
rub. Here is the look of the 165 with 60s in the the wheel well. Hank
>> --------------------=20
>>=20
>> From: "Mitch Simmons" <simmonsmitch23@gmail.com =
>> Sent: May 5, 2025 at 4:50 PM PDT=20
>> Subject: [Healeys] (no subject)
>> Hello,
>> anyone have recent experience with .....Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires? I =
am considering them on my 66 BJ8......LMK....I have Dayton 60 spoke =
rims......Also considering Michelin XAS 180HR15...BUT not sure they will =
work with 4.5 inch wide rims (any experience with those would be =
appreciated ..as well
>> =20
>> Thanks
>> Mitchell
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Harold, that =
chart is really useful.<div>What I=E2=80=99m wondering, is if you opt =
for the 165 15 size- what height ratio works best?</div><div>I mean, =
some of the brands like Continental have a specification like 165 65 =
15.</div><div>I noticed that you said you find the Vredestein Classic =
185/70 HR 15 look out of place=E2=80=A6so you find the 70 height ratio =
too small?</div><div>I don=E2=80=99t want any =
rubbing.</div><div><br></div><div>Stephen BJ8<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On May 6, 2025, at 11:52=E2=80=AFAM, Harold Manifold =
&lt;manifold@telus.net&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Mitchell,<div><br></div><div>Tires are a somewhat =
contentious&nbsp;issue in the Healey world. I do have a =
background&nbsp;in the automotive world and started with the basics to =
pick a tire. Originally my car had 4" wide rims which limited the tire =
choice to a 165 HR 15. I upgraded to 4.5" wide rims which opens up a =
number of possibilities. The second consideration is to match the =
sidewall height of the original tires for a couple of reasons. The =
profile of the wheel well on our Healey is basically the same for all =
models. The tires should have an OD close to the original&nbsp;Roadspeed =
5.90H15 to maintain the right look. Another consideration is the tire is =
a part of the suspension system and the sidewall of the tire influences =
the ride. A lower sidewall tends to produce a stiffer and harsher =
ride.</div><div><br></div><div>I chose the Michelin XAS         180 HR =
15 and am very happy with the look, ride and performance. If your BJ8 is =
a phase 2 with the raised suspension in my opinion&nbsp;the 165 HR 15 =
has too small a diameter and doesn't look at home within the wheel well =
profile. For the same reason I think the 185/70HR15 profile tires look =
out of place as well.</div><div><br></div><div>For comparison this is =
the table I put together to help pick out tires. All of these will fit a =
4.5" - 5" wide rim. The wider tires could have clearance issues but =
reports are they do fit.</div><div><br></div><div><table border=3D"0" =
cellpadding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"485" =
style=3D"border-collapse:collapse;width:364pt">

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style=3D"height:12.75pt;width:140pt;border:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Tire</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" width=3D"90" =
style=3D"border-left:none;width:68pt;text-align:center;border-top:0.5pt =
solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt =
solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Size</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl26" width=3D"113" =
style=3D"border-left:none;width:85pt;text-align:center;border-top:0.5pt =
solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt =
solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;Inflate=
d
  Diameter&nbsp;</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl26" width=3D"95" =
style=3D"border-left:none;width:71pt;text-align:center;border-top:0.5pt =
solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt =
solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;Inflate=
d
  Width&nbsp;</td>
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 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Road Speed
  RS5</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">5.90H15</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 26.0 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 6.4 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Michelin =
XAS&nbsp;</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">165 HR =
15</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25.4 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 6.6 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Michelin =
XAS&nbsp;</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">180 HR =
15</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 26.8 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 6.9 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredestein
  Sprint Classic</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">165HR15</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25.4 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 6.6 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredestein
  Sprint Classic</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">185HR15</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 26.7 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 7.4 </td>
 </tr>
 <tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
  <td height=3D"17" class=3D"gmail-xl24" =
style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredestein
  Sprint Classic</td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl25" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-right:0=
.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">185/70HR15</t=
d>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25.2 </td>
  <td class=3D"gmail-xl27" =
style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid =
windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:window=
text;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 7.4 </td>
 </tr>

</tbody></table></div><br><div>Hope this helps. The list has been quiet =
for a while so maybe this post will start a tire =
controversy!</div><div><br></div><div>Harold</div><div><br></div><div><br>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM =
Hank Leach via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I use that tire on my BJ8 as it =
is closest to the original bias 590s. The 180 may affect your =
speedometer reading and could rub the sidelight wires but many use that =
size no matter. Anything bigger for sure will rub. Here is the look of =
the 165 with 60s in the the wheel well. Hank<br>-------------------- =
<br><br>From: "Mitch Simmons" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:simmonsmitch23@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">simmonsmitch23@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>To: &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <br>Sent: May 5, 2025 =
at 4:50 PM PDT <br>Subject: [Healeys] (no subject) </div>
<div>Hello,
<div>anyone have recent experience with .....Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires? =
I am considering them on my 66 BJ8......LMK....I have Dayton 60 spoke =
rims......Also considering Michelin XAS 180HR15...BUT not sure they will =
work with 4.5 inch wide rims (any experience with those would be =
appreciated ..as well</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Mitchell</div>
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