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My personal opinion is the sidewall is too narrow and OD too small on a 65
or 70 series tires.
If you are not familiar with the calculation. The section height is the
height of the tire measured from the rim to the outer edge of the tire; the
section width is the width from sidewall to sidewall. A tire with the code
xxx/65 indicates that the section height of the tire is 65% of its width.
For example, for a tire with code 200/65, the section height is 200 =C3=97 =
65% =3D
130 mm. If no aspect ratio is stated then the default is usually 80.
The Michelin XAS 180 HR 15 calcultes to an 85 series tire and the original
Road Speed RS5 5.90H15 calcultes to an 86 series tire. Once the tire is
larger than 180 the lower aspect ratio is needed to prevent rubbing.
Not everyone agrees with me but I think Healeys look best with 80 series or
better tires.
Harold
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 2:49=E2=80=AFPM Stephen Hutchings <s.hutchings@roger=
s.com>
wrote:
> Harold, that chart is really useful.
> What I=E2=80=99m wondering, is if you opt for the 165 15 size- what heigh=
t ratio
> works best?
> I mean, some of the brands like Continental have a specification like 165
> 65 15.
> I noticed that you said you find the Vredestein Classic 185/70 HR 15 look
> out of place=E2=80=A6so you find the 70 height ratio too small?
> I don=E2=80=99t want any rubbing.
>
> Stephen BJ8
>
> On May 6, 2025, at 11:52=E2=80=AFAM, Harold Manifold <manifold@telus.net>=
wrote:
>
> Mitchell,
>
> Tires are a somewhat contentious issue in the Healey world. I do have a
> background in the automotive world and started with the basics to pick a
> tire. Originally my car had 4" wide rims which limited the tire choice to=
a
> 165 HR 15. I upgraded to 4.5" wide rims which opens up a number of
> possibilities. The second consideration is to match the sidewall height o=
f
> the original tires for a couple of reasons. The profile of the wheel well
> on our Healey is basically the same for all models. The tires should have
> an OD close to the original Roadspeed 5.90H15 to maintain the right look.
> Another consideration is the tire is a part of the suspension system and
> the sidewall of the tire influences the ride. A lower sidewall tends to
> produce a stiffer and harsher ride.
>
> I chose the Michelin XAS 180 HR 15 and am very happy with the look, ride
> and performance. If your BJ8 is a phase 2 with the raised suspension in m=
y
> opinion the 165 HR 15 has too small a diameter and doesn't look at home
> within the wheel well profile. For the same reason I think the 185/70HR15
> profile tires look out of place as well.
>
> For comparison this is the table I put together to help pick out tires.
> All of these will fit a 4.5" - 5" wide rim. The wider tires could have
> clearance issues but reports are they do fit.
>
> Tire Size Inflated Diameter Inflated Width
> Road Speed RS5 5.90H15 26.0 6.4
> Michelin XAS 165 HR 15 25.4 6.6
> Michelin XAS 180 HR 15 26.8 6.9
> Vredestein Sprint Classic 165HR15 25.4
> 6.6
> Vredestein Sprint Classic 185HR15 26.7
> 7.4
> Vredestein Sprint Classic 185/70HR15 25.2
> 7.4
>
> Hope this helps. The list has been quiet for a while so maybe this post
> will start a tire controversy!
>
> Harold
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I use that tire on my BJ8 as it is closest to the original bias 590s. Th=
e
>> 180 may affect your speedometer reading and could rub the sidelight wire=
s
>> but many use that size no matter. Anything bigger for sure will rub. Her=
e
>> is the look of the 165 with 60s in the the wheel well. Hank
>> --------------------
>>
>> From: "Mitch Simmons" <simmonsmitch23@gmail.com>
>> To: <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: May 5, 2025 at 4:50 PM PDT
>> Subject: [Healeys] (no subject)
>> Hello,
>> anyone have recent experience with .....Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires? I am
>> considering them on my 66 BJ8......LMK....I have Dayton 60 spoke
>> rims......Also considering Michelin XAS 180HR15...BUT not sure they will
>> work with 4.5 inch wide rims (any experience with those would be
>> appreciated ..as well
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mitchell
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My personal opinion=C2=A0is the sidewall is too narrow and=
OD too small on a 65 or 70 series tires.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>If you a=
re not familiar with the calculation.=C2=A0The section height is the height=
of the tire measured from the rim to the outer edge of the tire; the secti=
on width is the width from sidewall to sidewall. A tire with the code xxx/6=
5 indicates that the section height of the tire is 65% of its width. For ex=
ample, for a tire with code 200/65, the section height is 200 =C3=97 65% =
=3D 130 mm. If no aspect ratio is stated then the default is usually 80.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>The Michelin XAS 180 HR 15 calcultes to an 85
serie=
s tire=C2=A0and the original Road Speed RS5 5.90H15 calcultes to an 86 seri=
es=C2=A0tire. Once the tire is larger than 180 the lower aspect ratio is ne=
eded to prevent rubbing.</div><div><br></div><div>Not everyone agrees with =
me but I think Healeys look best with 80 series or better tires.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Harold</div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_qu=
ote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 6, 2025 at=
2:49=E2=80=AFPM Stephen Hutchings <<a href=3D"mailto:s.hutchings@rogers=
.com">s.hutchings@rogers.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Harold, that chart is really useful.<div>W=
hat I=E2=80=99m wondering, is if you opt for the 165 15 size- what height r=
atio works best?</div><div>I mean, some of the brands like Continental have=
a specification like 165 65 15.</div><div>I noticed that you said you find=
the Vredestein Classic 185/70 HR 15 look out of place=E2=80=A6so you find =
the 70 height ratio too small?</div><div>I don=E2=80=99t want any rubbing.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Stephen BJ8<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">=
<div>On May 6, 2025, at 11:52=E2=80=AFAM, Harold Manifold <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:manifold@telus.net" target=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>> wrote=
:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mitchell,<div><br></div><div>Tires are a s=
omewhat contentious=C2=A0issue in the Healey world. I do have a background=
=C2=A0in the automotive world and started with the basics to pick a tire. O=
riginally my car had 4" wide rims which limited the tire choice to a 1=
65 HR 15. I upgraded to 4.5" wide rims which opens up a number of poss=
ibilities. The second consideration is to match the sidewall height of the =
original tires for a couple of reasons. The profile of the wheel well on ou=
r Healey is basically the same for all models. The tires should have an OD =
close to the original=C2=A0Roadspeed 5.90H15 to maintain the right look. An=
other consideration is the tire is a part of the suspension system and the =
sidewall of the tire influences the ride. A lower sidewall tends to produce=
a stiffer and harsher ride.</div><div><br></div><div>I chose the Michelin =
XAS 180 HR 15 and am very happy with the look, ride and performance. If yo=
ur BJ8 is a phase 2 with the raised suspension in my opinion=C2=A0the 165 H=
R 15 has too small a diameter and doesn't look at home within the wheel=
well profile. For the same reason I think the 185/70HR15 profile tires loo=
k out of place as well.</div><div><br></div><div>For comparison this is the=
table I put together to help pick out tires. All of these will fit a 4.5&q=
uot; - 5" wide rim. The wider tires could have clearance issues but re=
ports are they do fit.</div><div><br></div><div><table border=3D"0" cellpad=
ding=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"485" style=3D"border-collapse:collaps=
e;width:364pt">
<colgroup><col width=3D"187" style=3D"width:140pt">
<col width=3D"90" style=3D"width:68pt">
<col width=3D"113" style=3D"width:85pt">
<col width=3D"95" style=3D"width:71pt">
</colgroup><tbody><tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" width=3D"187" style=3D"height:12.75pt;width:140pt;borde=
r:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px=
;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">T=
ire</td>
<td width=3D"90" style=3D"border-left:none;width:68pt;text-align:center;b=
order-top:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;border=
-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-le=
ft:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bot=
tom">Size</td>
<td width=3D"113" style=3D"border-left:none;width:85pt;text-align:center;=
border-top:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;borde=
r-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-l=
eft:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bo=
ttom">=C2=A0Inflated
Diameter=C2=A0</td>
<td width=3D"95" style=3D"border-left:none;width:71pt;text-align:center;b=
order-top:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-right:0.5pt solid windowtext;border=
-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-le=
ft:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bot=
tom">=C2=A0Inflated
Width=C2=A0</td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Road Spe=
ed
RS5</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">5.90H15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 26.0 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.4 </td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Michelin=
XAS=C2=A0</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">165 HR 15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 25.4 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.6 </td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Michelin=
XAS=C2=A0</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">180 HR 15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 26.8 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.9 </td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredeste=
in
Sprint Classic</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">165HR15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 25.4 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.6 </td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredeste=
in
Sprint Classic</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">185HR15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 26.7 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 7.4 </td>
</tr>
<tr height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt">
<td height=3D"17" style=3D"height:12.75pt;border-top:none;border-right:0.=
5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-left:0.5pt=
solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:=
windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">Vredeste=
in
Sprint Classic</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;text-align:center;border-ri=
ght:0.5pt solid windowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top=
:1px;padding-right:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:Arial;vertical-align:bottom">185/70HR15</td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 25.2 </td>
<td style=3D"border-top:none;border-left:none;border-right:0.5pt solid wi=
ndowtext;border-bottom:0.5pt solid windowtext;padding-top:1px;padding-right=
:1px;padding-left:1px;color:windowtext;font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial;ver=
tical-align:bottom">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 7.4 </td>
</tr>
</tbody></table></div><br><div>Hope this helps. The list has been quiet for=
a while so maybe this post will start a tire controversy!</div><div><br></=
div><div>Harold</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6=
:34=E2=80=AFPM Hank Leach via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I use that tire on my=
BJ8 as it is closest to the original bias 590s. The 180 may affect your sp=
eedometer reading and could rub the sidelight wires but many use that size =
no matter. Anything bigger for sure will rub. Here is the look of the 165 w=
ith 60s in the the wheel well. Hank<br>-------------------- <br><br>From: &=
quot;Mitch Simmons" <<a href=3D"mailto:simmonsmitch23@gmail.com"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">simmonsmitch23@gmail.com</a>> <br>To: <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>=
; <br>Sent: May 5, 2025 at 4:50 PM PDT <br>Subject: [Healeys] (no subject) =
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<div>Hello,
<div>anyone have recent experience with .....Michelin XZX 165SR15 tires? I =
am considering them on my 66 BJ8......LMK....I have Dayton 60 spoke rims...=
...Also considering Michelin XAS 180HR15...BUT not sure they will work with=
4.5 inch wide rims (any experience with those would be appreciated ..as we=
ll</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Mitchell</div>
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