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Hi Michael,
Do you have any pictures of how this looks in your car?
Thanks,
Jake
On Thu, May 8, 2025 at 9:39=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.=
com>
wrote:
> Thanks to all who proffered an opinion regarding installing the apron
> panel. I have now made a new panel and hope to be installing it soon.
> I should add for the concous folks that the divider panels that I
> installed on the outer edges of the apron panel of B#174 meerly clip onto
> the apron and are easily removed to afford an unobstructed view from one
> front wheel well to the other, which always looks a bit weird to me.
>
> M
>
> On Wed., May 7, 2025, 11:09 a.m. Michael Salter, <michaelsalter@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned this issue is not with my early BN1 ... another car
>> altogether.
>> However that said, in order to improve the cooling cooling in traffic
>> with my BN1, I have installed vertical panels, very like the division
>> panel used on later 100s, but at the ends of the apron panel. The
>> improvement has be remarkable and is something I would recommend for any
>> 100 with overheating issues.
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Wed., May 7, 2025, 9:20 a.m. Curtis Arndt, <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>>> Hank and Jean
>>>
>>> Michael is a long time member of the AH Concours Guidelines Committee,
>>> an early 100 expert and as such is well aware of this fact. I judged hi=
s
>>> car Concours gold as I recall several years ago at the Gettysburg Concl=
ave
>>> and the vertical portion was not there as is correct for around the fir=
st
>>> 350 BN1s. As such, there was no deduction for the missing panel.
>>>
>>> I have to assume that he now wants to add the panel to help improve
>>> cooling.
>>>
>>> As for his question, it can be done but will require drilling three
>>> 3/16" holes, two in the lower portion for 10-32 pan head phillips screw=
s
>>> and one in the top center portion of the upper support. Both the grill =
and
>>> radiator may need to be removed. Pain in the butt if you ask me.
>>>
>>> If you want to improve cooling without permanently altering your very
>>> original car, I have several better options.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Curtis Arndt
>>> AH Concours Guidelines Committee
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 4, 2025, 9:30=E2=80=AFPM Jean Caron <
>>> vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>> I agree with Hank, your car did not come with this vertical panel but
>>>> if you have the grille removed you should be able to install one. You =
will
>>>> have to drill three holes, two in the horizontal panels and one in th=
e
>>>> bonnet hinge and cross brace assembly for the machined screw that hold=
s the
>>>> top of the vertical panel in place.
>>>>
>>>> Jean
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network=
.
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Hank
>>>> Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 4, 2025 7:48:00 PM
>>>> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; healeys@autox.team.net
>>>> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron
>>>>
>>>> Michael-the early cars did not always have the center baffle panel.
>>>> They had the lower horizontal "apron" you describe but the vertical
>>>> "modesty " panel was added in late 53 into 54. Photo of my 53 #588 did=
not
>>>> have the vertical so you can see all the way thru the front. Since you=
r car
>>>> (#172?) is early; my guess is that you never had the panel. Are there
>>>> mounting holes in the horizontal apron to receive the lip of the verti=
cal
>>>> piece? The later parts available came with drilled holes. Not sure you
>>>> could install one unless you remove the grille. Hank
>>>> --------------------
>>>>
>>>> From: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>>>> To: <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: May 4, 2025 at 2:04 PM PDT
>>>> Subject: [Healeys] Radiator apron
>>>> I have a BN1 with the radiator apron panel (horizontal behind and belo=
w
>>>> the grille in front of the radiator which usually has a division panel
>>>> attached to it) missing.
>>>> If I remove the horns and grille does anyone if this panel and the
>>>> division panel can be installed. Looks a bit tight but I don't want to=
have
>>>> to disturb the front shroud.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> M
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Michael,<div>Do you have any pictures of how this looks=
in your car?</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jake</div></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Thu, May 8, 2025 at 9:39=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:=
michaelsalter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks to=
all who proffered an opinion regarding installing the apron panel. I have =
now made a new panel and hope to be installing it soon.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"au=
to">I should add for the concous folks that the divider panels that I insta=
lled on the outer edges of the apron panel of B#174 meerly clip onto the ap=
ron and are easily removed to afford an unobstructed view from one front wh=
eel well to the other, which always looks a bit weird=C2=A0to me.</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed., May 7, 2025, 11:0=
9 a.m. Michael Salter, <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><p dir=3D"ltr">As I m=
entioned this issue is not with my early BN1 ... another car altogether. <b=
r>
However that said, in order to improve the cooling cooling in traffic with =
my BN1, I=C2=A0 have installed vertical panels, very like the division pane=
l used on later 100s, but at the ends of the apron panel. The improvement h=
as be remarkable and is something I would recommend for any 100 with overhe=
ating issues.</p><p dir=3D"ltr"><br></p><p dir=3D"ltr">M</p></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed=
., May 7, 2025, 9:20 a.m. Curtis Arndt, <<a href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmai=
l.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">cnaarndt@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><p dir=3D"ltr">Hank and Jean</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Michael is a long time member of the AH Concours Guidelines =
Committee, an early 100 expert and as such is well aware of this fact. I ju=
dged his car Concours gold as I recall several years ago at the Gettysburg =
Conclave and the vertical portion was not there as is correct for around th=
e first 350 BN1s. As such, there was no deduction for the missing panel.</p=
>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I have to assume that he now wants to add the panel to help =
improve cooling.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">As for his question, it can be done but will require drillin=
g three 3/16" holes, two in the lower portion for 10-32 pan head phill=
ips screws and one in the top center portion of the upper support. Both the=
grill and radiator may need to be removed. Pain in the butt if you ask me.=
</p><p dir=3D"ltr">If you want to improve cooling without permanently alter=
ing your very original car, I have several better options.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Cheers</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Curtis Arndt <br>
AH Concours Guidelines Committee </p></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><=
div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 4, 2025, 9:30=E2=80=AFPM J=
ean Caron <<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com"; r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">vintage_roadster_=
restoration@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-sys=
tem,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
Michael,</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-sys=
tem,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
I agree with Hank, your car did not come with this vertical panel but if yo=
u have the grille removed you should be able to install one. You will have =
to drill three holes, two in=C2=A0 the horizontal panels and one in the bon=
net hinge and cross brace assembly for
the machined screw that holds the top of the vertical panel in place.</div=
>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-sys=
tem,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_MSFontService,-apple-sys=
tem,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
Jean</div>
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Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada=E2=80=99s largest network.</di=
v>
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2m_5465405381357750021m_6245524722219332360divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font=
face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b=
>From:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys=
-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Hank Leach via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 4, 2025 7:48:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; re=
l=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michael=
salter@gmail.com</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"=
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@auto=
x.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.=
net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Radiator apron</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Michael-the early cars did not always have the center baffle panel.=C2=
=A0 They had the lower horizontal "apron" you describe but the ve=
rtical "modesty " panel was added in late 53 into 54. Photo of my=
53 #588 did not have the vertical so you can see all the
way thru the front. Since your car (#172?) is early; my guess is that you =
never had the panel.=C2=A0 Are there mounting holes in the horizontal apron=
to receive the lip of the vertical piece? The later parts available came w=
ith drilled holes. Not sure you could
install one unless you remove the grille.=C2=A0 Hank<br>
-------------------- <br>
<br>
From: "Michael Salter" <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.=
com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> <br>
To: <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>=
<br>
Sent: May 4, 2025 at 2:04 PM PDT <br>
Subject: [Healeys] Radiator apron </div>
<div>I have a BN1 with the radiator apron panel (horizontal behind and belo=
w the grille in front of the radiator which usually has a division panel at=
tached to it) missing.
<div>If I remove the horns and grille does anyone if this panel and the div=
ision panel can be installed. Looks a bit tight but I don't want to hav=
e to disturb the front shroud.=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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