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Correction.=C2=A0 I used the term "elastomer" when I should have said "plas=
ticizer."
Another example:=C2=A0 Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquainta=
nce who bought it 20 years previously but wrecked his car before he had a c=
hance to have it installed.=C2=A0 In other words, this top sat in his basem=
ent for 20 years before I had it installed.=C2=A0 This was the easiest top =
to put up and down in all my experience.=C2=A0 I believe it is because the =
plasticizers had all dissipated and the top did not stretch when the instal=
ler got his hands on it.=C2=A0 So it didn't "shrink" after installation.=C2=
=A0 It went up easily in any weather.=C2=A0=C2=A0
So I guess this suggests one should buy a top now and put it away for sever=
al years before installing it.=C2=A0 ;-)
Dave=20
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On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 08:40:58 AM CDT, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey=
@cs.com> wrote: =20
Ditto.=C2=A0 For the same reasons.=C2=A0 Unless you are looking at doing s=
everal, there is too much learning curve.=C2=A0 I installed the snaps in a =
tonneau and that was tough enough.
I also think that if installers like a tight fitting top to avoid areas tha=
t are loose.=C2=A0 Stretching keeps the tops looking snug.=C2=A0 If you hav=
e the top installed during the cold season they will not stretch the top as=
much as it will not be as warm as during the normal driving season and thi=
s should make top erection easier.=C2=A0 Also, leave it up as much as possi=
ble for the first year or so.=C2=A0 This means putting the top up after eac=
h drive while it is still warm.=C2=A0 Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas =
tops all have a chemical called an elastomer.=C2=A0 This makes the plastic =
flexible (stretchable) but this chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over ti=
me and the material will not stretch as before.=C2=A0 If the top is in the =
erected position when this happens the top will assume the shape as erected=
and will be easier to put up going forward.=C2=A0 This has worked for me o=
n both vinyl and canvas tops.
Dave=20
=20
On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 06:06:18 AM CDT, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin@=
comcast.net> wrote: =20
Hi Dave, I had a Robbins cloth top installed on my TR6 after starting the =
job myself. =C2=A0In my opinion, the top is too expensive and chance of doi=
ng a good job too small that I took it to a Robbins certified top installer=
. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I =
spoke to a very experienced top installer years later about how tight the t=
op was going up and he told me that that the rear section of the Robbins cl=
oth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect. =C2=
=A0He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving. =C2=A0 I love the look and =
feel of the top, but, as I said it is sometimes difficult to put up. Best, =
Bob =E2=80=9C72 TR6
On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com> wrote=
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=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Correction. I used the term "elastomer=
" when I should have said "plasticizer."</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Another example=
: Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquaintance who bought =
it 20 years previously but wrecked his car before he had a chance to have i=
t installed. In other words, this top sat in his basement for 20 year=
s before I had it installed. This was the easiest top to put up and d=
own in all my experience. I believe it is because the plasticizers ha=
d all dissipated and the top did not stretch when the installer got his han=
ds on it. So it didn't "shrink" after installation. It went up =
easily in any weather. </div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">So I guess this sugges=
ts one should buy a top now and put it away for several years before instal=
ling it. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp424fb8cesignature">=
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tica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br></font></div><div><span s=
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On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 08:40:58 AM CDT, DAVID=
MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #cc=
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=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"ydp3=
199f493yiv7539067726ydp9c7c2b49yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ditt=
o. For the same reasons. Unless you are looking at doing severa=
l, there is too much learning curve. I installed the snaps in a tonne=
au and that was tough enough.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">I also think that if installers like a tight fitting top=
to avoid areas that are loose. Stretching keeps the tops looking snu=
g. If you have the top installed during the cold season they will not=
stretch the top as much as it will not be as warm as during the normal dri=
ving season and this should make top erection easier. Also, leave it =
up as much as possible for the first year or so. This means putting t=
he top up after each drive while it is still warm. Vinyl and the rubb=
er layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an elastomer. This=
makes the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this chemical will dissipate =
(evaporate) over time and the material will not stretch as before. If=
the top is in the erected position when this happens the top will assume t=
he shape as erected and will be easier to put up going forward. This =
has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.</div><div><br clear=3D"non=
e"></div><div class=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9c7c2b49signature"><div s=
tyle=3D"color:black;font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:nor=
mal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial=
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size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line=
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<div><div id=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv04057=
40055"><div>Hi Dave,<div><span class=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49=
yiv0405740055Apple-tab-span">=09</span>I had a Robbins cloth top installed =
on my TR6 after starting the job myself. In my opinion, the top is to=
o expensive and chance of doing a good job too small that I took it to a Ro=
bbins certified top installer. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up=
when the weather is cool. I spoke to a very experienced top installer year=
s later about how tight the top was going up and he told me that that the r=
ear section of the Robbins cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard =
to get the top perfect. He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving. =
</div><div><span class=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv04057=
40055Apple-tab-span">=09</span>I love the look and feel of the top, but, as=
I said it is sometimes difficult to put up.<div><span class=3D"ydp3199f493=
yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv0405740055Apple-tab-span">=09</span>Best,</div><=
div><span class=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv0405740055Apple-ta=
b-span">=09</span>Bob</div><div><span class=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9=
eb62b49yiv0405740055Apple-tab-span">=09</span>=E2=80=9C72 TR6<br clear=3D"n=
one"><div id=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv0405740055yqt80071" c=
lass=3D"ydp3199f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv0405740055yqt7893263706"><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:13=E2=80=AFPM, dave northr=
up <dave@ranteer.com> wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"ydp3199=
f493yiv7539067726ydp9eb62b49yiv0405740055Apple-interchange-newline"><div></=
div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydp3199f493yiv753906772=
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e=3D"margin:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11pt;">Have a new top (Robbins cloth); the old one is pretty=
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