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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers.=C2=A0 Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit.=C2=A0 Maybe you can buy those but=
I've never seen any on offer.=C2=A0 I haven't looked either,=C2=A0 though.=
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On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 8:00, Jim Stone<1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote: Th=
anks, David. =C2=A0I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was=
Ni-MH. =C2=A0I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but not=
hing about Ni-MH. =C2=A0Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
Jim
On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrot=
e:
I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eve=
ntually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of lithium-based replac=
ement batteries.=C2=A0 On the surface they looked like a much better option=
with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and charger.=
=C2=A0 But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries w=
ork in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this circuit =
was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0=
I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they would be c=
lose to dead.
But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH batteries h=
ave characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the =
charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar=
with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet =
point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0 This is a $45 g=
amble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=
=A0 This might be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.
BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.=C2=A0 I p=
itched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
Dave=20
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On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gma=
il.com> wrote: =20
I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
using for quick, non critical cuts. =C2=A0The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. =C2=A0Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
adaptors available.
So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy ne=
w ones on Amazon. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart a=
nd can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! =
=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight=
forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C batteries would run me about =
$40-50. =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice t=
hat.) =C2=A0Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a=
few bucks more. =C2=A0(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-C=
ompatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is t=
here any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a=
better, longer lasting battery? =C2=A0Any advice from those who have done =
this before will be much appreciated.
Thanks,Jim_______________________________________________
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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries. Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers. Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit. Maybe you can buy those but=
I've never seen any on offer. I haven't looked either, though.=
<br><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><a id=3D"ymail_android_si=
gnature_link" href=3D"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.a=
ol.mobile.aolapp">Sent from AOL on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style=
=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; col=
or:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 8:00, Jim Stone</div><div><17=
89alpine@gmail.com> wrote:</div> </div> <div style=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 =
20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id=3D"yiv5=
426006398"><div>Thanks, David. I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amaz=
on replacement was Ni-MH. I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad=
batteries but nothing about Ni-MH. Does the fact that the replacemen=
ts would be Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?<div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4=
8677" class=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4222733126"><div><div><br clear=3D"none"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASS=
EY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv54=
26006398Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Aria=
l, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443=
yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I used to have an old Makita drill =
that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable. =
I bought a pair of lithium-based replacement batteries. On the surfa=
ce they looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger. But (there's always a but, is=
n't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required=
a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough power =
to deplete the battery overnight. I could charge them up in the eveni=
ng and the next morning they would be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries. Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more similar =
to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've designed a =
battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are less suscepti=
ble to abuse. I also see the bullet point about no self-discharge - w=
hich was my problem. This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name=
stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV. This might be a good one. =
; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back. =
I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443signature"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-str=
etch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial, Helvetica,=
sans-serif;"><div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-we=
ight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;font-fami=
ly:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br clear=3D"n=
one"></font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif=
;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></d=
iv>
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tone <1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
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, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:1px solid #ccc=
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<div><div id=3D"yiv5426006398ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div=
>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
using for quick, non critical cuts. The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
adaptors available.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So, that leaves me w=
ith two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. &n=
bsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that it j=
ust uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! I=E2=80=99ve nev=
er rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just time co=
nsuming. 20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. (Having =
it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) Or, I coul=
d just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks more.  =
;(<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-242=
4/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Ba=
ttery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). </div><div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries a=
re also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding th=
e packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? Any a=
dvice from those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>__=
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