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Re: [Shop-talk] Rebuilding a Battery Pack vs Buying New Generic

To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rebuilding a Battery Pack vs Buying New Generic
From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2025 20:13:01 -0400
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Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the =
original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so.  =
It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the =
Amazon pack a try and report back.

Jim

p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with the =
M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.  I especially like the =
fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I =
still have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to =
be able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that =
with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig =
something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor =
running it at only 18 volts.

> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> =
wrote:
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> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery =
that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based =
replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better =
option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium =
batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and =
this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery =
overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning =
they would be close to dead.
>=20
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries =
have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to =
the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am =
familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the =
bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a =
$45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but =
YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>=20
> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>=20
> Dave
>=20
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> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone =
<1789alpine@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
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> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to =
continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that =
the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be =
useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. =
Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t =
appear to be any adaptors available.
>=20
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or =
buy new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs =
apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 =
of them!  I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty =
straight forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me =
about $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least =
twice that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for =
just a few bucks more.  =
(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =20
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> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but =
is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will =
result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who =
have done this before will be much appreciated.
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> Thanks,
> Jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks, David. =
&nbsp;The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the original =
charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. &nbsp;It =
is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix. &nbsp;I will give =
the Amazon pack a try and report =
back.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div>p.s. I switched to =
Milwaukee battery tools, as well. &nbsp;I started with the M12 set and =
then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. &nbsp;I especially like the fact that =
one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries. &nbsp;I still =
have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be =
able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries. &nbsp;They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well. &nbsp;I wish I could do =
that with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably =
rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the =
motor running it at only 18 volts.<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with =
Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a =
pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they =
looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, =
isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment =
required a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew =
enough power to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them =
up in the evening and the next morning they would be close to =
dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more =
similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've =
designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are =
less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no =
self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This =
might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW=
 I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the =
batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b697443signature"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-weight: =
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-weight: normal; font-stretch: =
normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave =
<br></font></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
sans-serif;"><br></span></div><br></div></div></div></div>
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                        On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, =
Jim Stone &lt;1789alpine@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an =
old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using =
for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad =
batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, =
batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to =
be any adaptors available.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with =
two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that =
it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99v=
e never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just =
time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. =
&nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) =
&nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a =
few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-24=
24/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compat=
ible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement =
batteries are also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that =
rebuilding the packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting =
battery? &nbsp;Any advice from those who have done this before will be =
much =
appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></d=
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