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Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Spridgets Digest, Vol 181, Issue 2
From: Weslake1330 via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 at 20:17, wilkmanracing--- via Spridgets <
spridgets@autox.team.net> wrote:

> Silly me. I thought this was a Sprite forum.
>
> Bill
> 1958 Sprite Iris Blue
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> On Sunday, June 21, 2026, 11:34 AM, spridgets-request@autox.team.net <
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>   1. No LBC - Budapest, NATO (OTAN) Europe, the EU, Islamic
>       immigration and healthcare (Weslake1330)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2026 23:20:32 +0100
> From: Weslake1330 <weslake1330@gmail.com>
> To: Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Budapest, NATO (OTAN) Europe, the EU,
>     Islamic immigration and healthcare
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>
> Hi list, some of you are don?t like it when I post stuff like this but
> never challenge any of the points I make or even privately debate them wi=
th
> me.  Some of you find them interesting and some have deleted this e-mail
> already.  Well, I read a lot of stuff on YouTube and regardless of any
> opinion or political allegiances it does seem to me that not everyone
> understands the basic of some issues and that leads to misunderstandings.
> Sure, the list should be to discuss LBC stuff but I think the archive wil=
l
> confirm other stuff, sometimes contentious (public drafting on the highwa=
y
> and not in LBCs) topics get discussed.
>
> Firstly, part of the reason countries are helping Ukraine in their fight
> against Russian aggression and attacks, lie with The Budapest Memorandum =
on
> Security signed in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994.  The summary is
> that Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons as part of a defence deal.  Th=
e
> other obvious reason is that when one country attacks another and seeks t=
o
> completely invade it there is choice other countries have to make in
> whether to sit back and do nothing or find a way to help. Thirdly you hav=
e
> to consider a domino effect scenario where Russia defeats Ukraine and the=
n
> goes onto rebuild the USSR.  Maybe that sounds like a problem for the
> Europeans and I guess it is, or at least first.  But if the dominos carry
> on falling then you once again have a USSR that threatens the USA.
>
> NATO is the North Atlantic (not North American) Treaty Organisation (the
> French call it OTAN for French grammatical reasons I don?t understand).
> It?s not a club of buddies to bully anyone but a club of buddies to defen=
d
> each other against a big bully.  It?s not a European idea or club and
> Canada is a member.  Despite the rhetoric you might read or hear, NATO
> isn?t a way for everyone apart from the USA to get defence on the cheap.
> Not everyone in the club might agree that everyone is paying enough.
> However, the member paying the most doesn?t say it will pay less but argu=
es
> others should pay more.  Why is that?  Well, you might have to do your ow=
n
> research on that.
>
> Europe isn?t a country it?s a geographic region.  The EU is not the same
> thing as Europe because the EU is a kind of club.  Strangely enough the E=
U
> has been viewed by some members and one ex-member as a club where not all
> the members pay in enough money or get equal benefits out of it.  The
> republic of Ireland is not in NATO but is in Europe and is in the EU.  Th=
e
> United Kingdom (Great Britain, sort of) is in NATO and is in Europe but i=
s
> not in the EU (it left some years ago).
>
> Is Europe being taken over by Islamic (Moslem) immigrants?  Well, I don?t
> think so.  I could make a joke and say that in England at least, the Hind=
us
> and Sikhs would never allow that to happen. You also have to understand
> there are actually 2 major and one lesser Islamic group ? not sure if thi=
s
> is quite the same thing as Catholics and Protestants but it?s how I like =
to
> think of it.  Over the years I?ve worked alongside Moslems and they were
> great people and not extremists.
>
> I read a lot that the reason Europeans have free healthcare is because th=
ey
> rely on the US, as part of NATO, to protect them rather than pay for thei=
r
> own protection.  In the UK free healthcare came into being after WW2 and
> existed all the way through the Cold War at a time when the UK spent a lo=
t
> more on defence than it does now.  However, it?s not quite as encompassin=
g
> as it used to be.  For example, when I was a child, medical prescriptions
> were free but for decades since there has been a fee to pay.  Similarly,
> all dental care was free when I was a child but now while it is still
> subsidised there is 3 tier system of fees and it can still be very
> expensive.  I think at least one country in Europe has free healthcare.  =
A
> question to consider then is if the US spent less money on NATO and defen=
se
> generally would it be enough for free healthcare?
>
> I think that?s all the stuff I believe I can help others with their
> understanding of and I?m confident that listers are generally smarter tha=
n
> everyone else but may have friends with lesser rides and knowledge
> generally!  Also, while I have political opinions, I am not a member of a=
ny
> political party and haven?t always voted for the same political party.  I
> have enlisted military service but not combat experience.  Recently I eve=
n
> applied for and have been granted a HM Forces Veteran ID card and maybe
> when I get my 3rd one it will actually correctly record the initials for =
my
> Christian/Fore names. . . .
>
> I?d like to finish with a quote from Henry Ford: ?Any man who thinks he c=
an
> be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better
> take a closer look at the American Indian?.  However, it seems to be bunk
> and that he never said that but did say a bunch of other stuff.  So, how
> about a quote from the bible? Matthew Ch19 v30 (NIV) But many who are fir=
st
> will be last, and many who are last will be first.
>
> Daniel
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Delete key not working?</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
 gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 21 Ju=
n 2026 at 20:17, wilkmanracing--- via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sprid=
gets@autox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:=
1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
Silly me. I thought this was a Sprite forum.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Bill<=
/div><div>1958 Sprite Iris Blue<br><br><div><a style=3D"font-size:12px" hre=
f=3D"https://aolapp.onelink.me/eG2g?pid=3DNativePlacement&amp;c=3DUS_Acquis=
ition_YMktg_320_EmailSignature_AttributionDL&amp;af_sub1=3DAcquisition&amp;=
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tribution" target=3D"_blank">Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS</a><br><=
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"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Today&#39;s Topics:=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0  1. No LBC - B=
udapest, NATO (OTAN) Europe, the EU, Islamic<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 immigration and healthcare (Weslake1330)<br></div><div di=
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ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2026 23:20:32 +0100<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">From: Wesla=
ke1330 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:weslake1330@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">wesla=
ke1330@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">To: Spridgets &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: [Spridgets] No LBC - Budap=
est, NATO (OTAN) Europe, the EU,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 Islamic immigration and healthcare<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Message-ID=
:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;CAMhoh1U086VzL_ZMH428L64=
qsUw6=3Dfb=3D<a href=3D"mailto:BkMtxCZp7zVM%2BGgdTw@mail.gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">BkMtxCZp7zVM+GgdTw@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi list, some of you are don?t like it=
 when I post stuff like this but<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">never challenge =
any of the points I make or even privately debate them with<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">me.=C2=A0 Some of you find them interesting and some have delete=
d this e-mail<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">already.=C2=A0 Well, I read a lot o=
f stuff on YouTube and regardless of any<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">opinion =
or political allegiances it does seem to me that not everyone<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">understands the basic of some issues and that leads to misunde=
rstandings.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Sure, the list should be to discuss L=
BC stuff but I think the archive will<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">confirm oth=
er stuff, sometimes contentious (public drafting on the highway<br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">and not in LBCs) topics get discussed.<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Firstly, part of the reason countries are h=
elping Ukraine in their fight<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">against Russian agg=
ression and attacks, lie with The Budapest Memorandum on<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Security signed in Budapest, Hungary, on 5 December 1994.=C2=A0 Th=
e summary is<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">that Ukraine gave up their nuclear w=
eapons as part of a defence deal.=C2=A0 The<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">other=
 obvious reason is that when one country attacks another and seeks to<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">completely invade it there is choice other countries h=
ave to make in<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">whether to sit back and do nothing=
 or find a way to help. Thirdly you have<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">to consi=
der a domino effect scenario where Russia defeats Ukraine and then<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">goes onto rebuild the USSR.=C2=A0 Maybe that sounds like =
a problem for the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Europeans and I guess it is, or=
 at least first.=C2=A0 But if the dominos carry<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">o=
n falling then you once again have a USSR that threatens the USA.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">NATO is the North Atlantic (not=
 North American) Treaty Organisation (the<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">French =
call it OTAN for French grammatical reasons I don?t understand).<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">It?s not a club of buddies to bully anyone but a club of bu=
ddies to defend<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">each other against a big bully.=
=C2=A0 It?s not a European idea or club and<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Canad=
a is a member.=C2=A0 Despite the rhetoric you might read or hear, NATO<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">isn?t a way for everyone apart from the USA to get de=
fence on the cheap.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Not everyone in the club migh=
t agree that everyone is paying enough.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">However, =
the member paying the most doesn?t say it will pay less but argues<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">others should pay more.=C2=A0 Why is that?=C2=A0 Well, yo=
u might have to do your own<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">research on that.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Europe isn?t a country it=
?s a geographic region.=C2=A0 The EU is not the same<br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">thing as Europe because the EU is a kind of club.=C2=A0 Strangely enoug=
h the EU<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">has been viewed by some members and one =
ex-member as a club where not all<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">the members pay=
 in enough money or get equal benefits out of it.=C2=A0 The<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">republic of Ireland is not in NATO but is in Europe and is in th=
e EU.=C2=A0 The<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">United Kingdom (Great Britain, so=
rt of) is in NATO and is in Europe but is<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">not in =
the EU (it left some years ago).<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Is Europe being taken over by Islamic (Moslem) immigrants?=C2=A0=
 Well, I don?t<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">think so.=C2=A0 I could make a jok=
e and say that in England at least, the Hindus<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">an=
d Sikhs would never allow that to happen. You also have to understand<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">there are actually 2 major and one lesser Islamic grou=
p ? not sure if this<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">is quite the same thing as C=
atholics and Protestants but it?s how I like to<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">t=
hink of it.=C2=A0 Over the years I?ve worked alongside Moslems and they wer=
e<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">great people and not extremists.<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I read a lot that the reason Europea=
ns have free healthcare is because they<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">rely on t=
he US, as part of NATO, to protect them rather than pay for their<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">own protection.=C2=A0 In the UK free healthcare came into =
being after WW2 and<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">existed all the way through t=
he Cold War at a time when the UK spent a lot<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">mor=
e on defence than it does now.=C2=A0 However, it?s not quite as encompassin=
g<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">as it used to be.=C2=A0 For example, when I was=
 a child, medical prescriptions<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">were free but for=
 decades since there has been a fee to pay.=C2=A0 Similarly,<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">all dental care was free when I was a child but now while it is=
 still<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">subsidised there is 3 tier system of fees =
and it can still be very<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">expensive.=C2=A0 I think=
 at least one country in Europe has free healthcare.=C2=A0 A<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">question to consider then is if the US spent less money on NATO=
 and defense<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">generally would it be enough for fre=
e healthcare?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I think =
that?s all the stuff I believe I can help others with their<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">understanding of and I?m confident that listers are generally sm=
arter than<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">everyone else but may have friends wit=
h lesser rides and knowledge<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">generally!=C2=A0 Als=
o, while I have political opinions, I am not a member of any<br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">political party and haven?t always voted for the same political=
 party.=C2=A0 I<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">have enlisted military service bu=
t not combat experience.=C2=A0 Recently I even<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">ap=
plied for and have been granted a HM Forces Veteran ID card and maybe<br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">when I get my 3rd one it will actually correctly recor=
d the initials for my<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Christian/Fore names. . . .=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I?d like to finish wi=
th a quote from Henry Ford: ?Any man who thinks he can<br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him be=
tter<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">take a closer look at the American Indian?.=
=C2=A0 However, it seems to be bunk<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">and that he n=
ever said that but did say a bunch of other stuff.=C2=A0 So, how<br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">about a quote from the bible? Matthew Ch19 v30 (NIV) But ma=
ny who are first<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">will be last, and many who are l=
ast will be first.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dan=
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