Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???

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Being only in higher gears suggests the gearbox - if it was the diff that w=
ould surely be the same in all gears - potentially more in lower gears due =
to increased torque=2E My bet would be on layshaft bearing at the end of th=
e cluster closest to where the higher gears are=2E Can't see how it would s=
uddenly appear after shop visit though, unless they did some really stupid =
like draining the fluid and driving it before refilling - or wrong grade fl=
uid and damage done so the second change didn't fix it=2E

On 25 May 2025 16:15:27 BST, Moose <eric@megageek=2Ecom> wrote:
>Jeff, this is a good idea=2E  Will do=2E
>
>The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it=
=20
>ANY throttle=2E  So even if you are not accelerating (i=2Ee=2E Not under =
load=2E),=20
>but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise=2E
>
>Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time,=
=20
>or at least under load?
>
>But I plan to do a much deeper dive=2E
>
>Thanks again to everyone with this=2E
>
>Moose
>
>
>
>From:   Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail=2Ecom>
>To:     Moose <eric@megageek=2Ecom>
>Cc:     "shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet" <Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet>
>Date:   05/25/2025 11:03
>Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???
>
>
>
>Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an=20
>annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in th=
e=20
>diff=2E =20
>
>Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside=2E
>
>On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek=2Ecom> wrote:
>Braintrust,=20
>
>I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here=2E =20
>Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix=2E=20
>
>The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a=
=20
>'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher=2E=20
>
>Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechani=
c=20
>shop=2E  (owner of car is a single woman without much money=2E)=20
>
>When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge=
=20
>you to look at it=2E"  So since she already suspected they caused the=20
>issues, she didn't want to give them more money=2E=20
>
>She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new=20
>transmission=2E"  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep=
=2E=20
>So they just did a fluid change, and that was it=2E  Note, in their carfa=
x=20
>report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition=
=20
>to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either=2E=20
>
>It's a manual 5 speed=2E  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly whe=
re=20
>it should be=2E  So I did a road test=2E=20
>
>Here is the crazy part=2E=20
>There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission=20
>problems=2E  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong=
=2E =20
>No vibrations=2E  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens whe=
n=20
>you give it throttle=2E=20
>
>So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas=
=20
>pedal, noise goes away=2E If you just give it a little gas, noise returns=
=2E=20
>
>If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise=2E  If you are engine brakin=
g,=20
>no noise=2E The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the=20
>slightest=2E=20
>
>Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear=2E=20
>
>I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it=
=20
>start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed an=
d=20
>that it's a simple fix=2E=20
>
>I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that=20
>doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car=2E  She is also =
a=20
>good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me=2E 8>)=20
>
>Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier'=
s=20
>that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country yo=
u=20
>are from=2E)=20
>
>Have a great weekend!=20
>
>Moose_______________________________________________
>
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<html><head></head><body><div dir=3D"auto">Being only in higher gears sugge=
sts the gearbox - if it was the diff that would surely be the same in all g=
ears - potentially more in lower gears due to increased torque=2E My bet wo=
uld be on layshaft bearing at the end of the cluster closest to where the h=
igher gears are=2E Can't see how it would suddenly appear after shop visit =
though, unless they did some really stupid like draining the fluid and driv=
ing it before refilling - or wrong grade fluid and damage done so the secon=
d change didn't fix it=2E</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"auto">On 25 May 2025 16:15:27 BST, Moose &lt;eric@megageek=2Ecom&gt; wr=
ote:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Jeff, this is a good idea=2E &nbsp;Wi=
ll do=2E</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The reason I'm really confused is=
 that
the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle=2E &nbsp;So even if you ar=
e
not accelerating (i=2Ee=2E Not under load=2E), but just have the pedal dow=
n a
little, you hear the noise=2E</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Wouldn't both the </font><font si=
ze=3D"3">differential
and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But I plan to do a much deeper di=
ve=2E</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks again to everyone with thi=
s=2E</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Jeff Scarbrough &lt;fish=
plate@gmail=2Ecom&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose &lt;eric@megageek=
=2Ecom&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Cc: &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">"shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=
=2Enet"
&lt;Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">05/25/2025 11:03</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp;=
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&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
Manual transmission issue???</font>
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<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts=
?&nbsp;
My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned
out to be in the diff=2E&nbsp;&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by
sitting inside=2E</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose &lt;</font><a href=
=3D"mailto:eric@megageek=2Ecom";><font size=3D"3" color=3D"blue"><u>eric@meg=
ageek=2Ecom</u></font></a><font size=3D"3">&gt;
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Braintrust,</font><font size=3D"3=
"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here=2E&nbsp;
Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix=2E</font><font size=
=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
The issue, &nbsp; 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission
makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher=2E</font><font=
 size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic
shop=2E &nbsp;(owner of car is a single woman without much money=2E) </fon=
t><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to
charge you to look at it=2E" &nbsp;So since she already suspected they
caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money=2E</font><font =
size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission=
=2E"
&nbsp;That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep=2E So they
just did a fluid change, and that was it=2E&nbsp; Note, in their carfax re=
port,
they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition
to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either=2E</font><font size=3D"3=
">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
It's a manual 5 speed=2E&nbsp; I checked the fluid level and it is exactly
where it should be=2E&nbsp; So I did a road test=2E</font><font size=3D"3"=
> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Here is the crazy part=2E</font><font size=3D"3"> </font><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission prob=
lems=2E&nbsp;
No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong=2E&nbsp; No vi=
brations=2E&nbsp;
The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throt=
tle=2E</font><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas
pedal, noise goes away=2E If you just give it a little gas, noise returns=
=2E</font><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise=2E&nbsp; If you are engine br=
aking,
no noise=2E The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slig=
htest=2E</font><font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear=2E</font><font =
size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it
start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed
and that it's a simple fix=2E</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that does=
n't
have much money and really takes care of her car=2E&nbsp; She is also a go=
od
friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me=2E 8&gt;)</font><=
font size=3D"3">
<br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's
that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country
you are from=2E)</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Have a great weekend!</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
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