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I've always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised, then, after l=
owering it, given it a final few whacks with the wheels on the ground. Neve=
r had one loosen yet! Will also be looking into a neat new long-handled all=
oy knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH Spares where the alloy =
business end is shaped to slip over the knockoff. I imagine the long handle=
will provide the needed leverage entirely missing from those flimsy two-ha=
ndled wooden tools, which I've found worthless.
On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael Salter <michaelsal=
ter@gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
Sadly AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge Whitworth who patent=
ed the self tightening splined wheel hub in 1921.
On Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers--- via Healeys, <healeys@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
The knockoffs are designed to tighten while driving.=C2=A0 But experience h=
as taught me that they can loosen if not seated to begin with, and they mig=
ht not be seated if tightened with the weight on the hub.=C2=A0 My theory i=
s that weight on the wheel makes the knockoff off-center when tightened.=C2=
=A0=20
=C2=A0
Here is the AI-generated response to the question:=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CShould kn=
ockoffs be tightened with the weight on, or off, the wheel?
=C2=A0
=E2=80=9CKnock-off hubs should be tightened with the weight off the vehicle=
. This ensures proper torque and prevents the wheel from being unevenly sea=
ted. While on the ground, the wheel is subjected to weight distribution, an=
d the knock-off might not seat as snugly when tightened under load.=E2=80=
=9D
=C2=A0
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JSARCH via Heal=
eys
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 6:46 PM
To: 'Alan Wasserman' <alanwassermannc@gmail.com>; 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.=
team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
=C2=A0
Interesting. The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while the car is driving. Belo=
w is an A.I. generated answer to the question =E2=80=9Cdo knock-offs tighte=
n while driving=E2=80=9D:
=C2=A0
Yes, knock-offs are designed to be self-tightening while driving, meaning t=
hey can become tighter as the vehicle moves forward. However, if they are n=
ot installed correctly or if the vehicle is towed in reverse, they can loos=
en instead.
=C2=A0
John,
=E2=80=9962 BT&
=C2=A0
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alan Wasserman
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 2:28 PM
To: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Cc: Alan Wasserman <AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
=C2=A0
Just a warning to all.=C2=A0 As you may imagine, sometimes our wheels may ?=
loosen.=C2=A0 Had my BJ8 on the lift today, checking brakes.=C2=A0 Jiggled=
the wheels, just because.=C2=A0 Rear left had =E2=80=9Csignificant" latera=
l movement.=C2=A0 Took the old rubber mallet and had to tighten almost 1/4 =
turn. =C2=A0Very scary.=C2=A0 Please check your wheels whenever your car is=
on a lift.=C2=A0 Happy rides.
=C2=A0
On Apr 14, 2025, at 2:00=E2=80=AFPM, healeys-request@autox.team.net wrote:
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ockoffs with the vehicle raised, then, after lowering it, given it a final =
few whacks with the wheels on the ground. Never had one loosen yet! Will al=
so be looking into a neat new long-handled alloy knockoff-tightening/loosen=
ing tool offered by AH Spares where the alloy business end is shaped to sli=
p over the knockoff. I imagine the long handle will provide the needed leve=
rage entirely missing from those flimsy two-handled wooden tools, which I'v=
e found worthless.</div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michae=
l Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205"><div><p dir=3D"lt=
r">Sadly AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge Whitworth who pat=
ented the self tightening splined wheel hub in 1921.</p>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205gmail_quote ydpcda=
e574eyiv4062056205gmail_quote_container"><div id=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv406205620=
5yqt57953" class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205yqt1235691108"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205gmail_attr">On Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 =
a.m. sbyers--- via Healeys, <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>=
> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv406205=
6205gmail_quote"><div lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;"><div c=
lass=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205m_4415317720752167672WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">The knockoffs are designed to tighten while d=
riving.<span> </span>But experience has taught me that they can loose=
n if not seated to begin with, and they might not be seated if tightened wi=
th the weight on the hub.<span> </span>My theory is that weight on th=
e wheel makes the knockoff off-center when tightened.<span> </span><u=
></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal=
"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNorma=
l"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Here i=
s the AI-generated response to the question:<span> </span>=E2=80=9CSh=
ould knockoffs be tightened with the weight on, or off, the wheel?<u></u><u=
></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font=
size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> <=
u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><b><=
font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:=
bold;">=E2=80=9CKnock-off hubs should be tightened with the weight off the =
vehicle</span></font></b><span>. This ensures proper torque and prevents th=
e wheel from being unevenly seated. While on the ground, the wheel is subje=
cted to weight distribution, and the knock-off might not seat as snugly whe=
n tightened under load.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"ydpcda=
e574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcd=
ae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Steve Byers<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class=
=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">HBJ8L/36666<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p=
class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">BJ8 Registry<u></u><u></u></span></font=
></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">AHCA Delegate at Large<u></u><=
u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><fon=
t size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"><u></u> =
<u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><fo=
nt size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u> =
;<u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><f=
ont size=3D"2" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;"><u></u>&nbs=
p;<u></u></span></font></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid =
#e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056=
205MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></font></b><f=
ont size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;"> Healeys <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces=
@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net</a>> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></=
b>JSARCH via Healeys<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 14, 2025 6:46 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span=
style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> 'Alan Wasserman' <<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">alanwassermannc@gmail.com</a>>; 'Healeys' <<a shape=3D"re=
ct" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose<u=
></u><u></u></span></font></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056=
205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv406205=
6205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Interesting. The knock-off on my BT7 tighten=
while the car is driving. Below is an A.I. generated answer to the questio=
n =E2=80=9Cdo knock-offs tighten while driving=E2=80=9D:<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2=
" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"=
><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205=
MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;">Yes, knock-offs are designed to be self-tighteni=
ng while driving, meaning they can become tighter as the vehicle moves forw=
ard. However, if they are not installed correctly or if the vehicle is towe=
d in reverse, they can loosen instead.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><u></u> <u><=
/u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font s=
ize=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans=
-serif;">John,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv406=
2056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">=E2=80=9962 BT&<u></u><u></u></span><=
/font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" f=
ace=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><u=
></u> <u></u></span></font></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpcdae574ey=
iv4062056205MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></fo=
nt></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:sans-serif;"> Healeys <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healey=
s-bounces@autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounce=
s@autox.team.net</a>> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of =
</span></b>Alan Wasserman<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:b=
old;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 14, 2025 2:28 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Healeys <<a shape=3D"re=
ct" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Alan Wasserman <<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"m=
ailto:AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">AlanWas=
sermanNC@gmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:=
bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose<u></u><u=
></u></span></font></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoN=
ormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"><u=
></u> <u></u></span></font></p><p class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205Mso=
Normal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">J=
ust a warning to all. As you may imagine, sometimes our wheels may ? =
loosen. Had my BJ8 on the lift today, checking brakes. Jiggled =
the wheels, just because. Rear left had =E2=80=9Csignificant" lateral=
movement. Took the old rubber mallet and had to tighten almost 1/4 t=
urn. <i><span style=3D"font-style:italic;">Very scary</span></i>.&nbs=
p; Please check your wheels whenever your car is on a lift. Happy rid=
es.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" =
class=3D"ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p><b=
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ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Aptos"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">On Apr 14, 2025, at 2:00</span></font><font face=
=3D"Arial"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">=E2=80=AF</span></font>P=
M, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys-request@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">healeys-request@autox.team.net</a> wrote:<u></u=
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