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Call me silly, but I rather like the slightly flattened side on a =
knock-off that has been tightened with the factory-supplied brass =
hammer. It adds to the patina and, in my opinion, is part of the =
car=E2=80=99s journey.
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I too tighten my wheels when off the ground and have never had one come =
loose.
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Cheers, Mirek
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert =
Markovich via Healeys
Sent: April 15, 2025 9:00 AM
To: sbyers@ec.rr.com; Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Wasserman <alanwassermannc@gmail.com>; Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
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I've always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised, then, after =
lowering it, given it a final few whacks with the wheels on the ground. =
Never had one loosen yet! Will also be looking into a neat new =
long-handled alloy knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH =
Spares where the alloy business end is shaped to slip over the knockoff. =
I imagine the long handle will provide the needed leverage entirely =
missing from those flimsy two-handled wooden tools, which I've found =
worthless.
=20
On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael Salter =
=20
=20
Sadly AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge Whitworth who =
patented the self tightening splined wheel hub in 1921.
=20
On Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers--- via Healeys, =
The knockoffs are designed to tighten while driving. But experience has =
taught me that they can loosen if not seated to begin with, and they =
might not be seated if tightened with the weight on the hub. My theory =
is that weight on the wheel makes the knockoff off-center when =
tightened. =20
=20
Here is the AI-generated response to the question: =E2=80=9CShould =
knockoffs be tightened with the weight on, or off, the wheel?
=20
=E2=80=9CKnock-off hubs should be tightened with the weight off the =
vehicle. This ensures proper torque and prevents the wheel from being =
unevenly seated. While on the ground, the wheel is subjected to weight =
distribution, and the knock-off might not seat as snugly when tightened =
under load.=E2=80=9D
=20
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
=20
=20
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Healeys
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 6:46 PM
To: 'Alan Wasserman' <alanwassermannc@gmail.com =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
=20
Interesting. The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while the car is driving. =
Below is an A.I. generated answer to the question =E2=80=9Cdo knock-offs =
tighten while driving=E2=80=9D:
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Yes, knock-offs are designed to be self-tightening while driving, =
meaning they can become tighter as the vehicle moves forward. However, =
if they are not installed correctly or if the vehicle is towed in =
reverse, they can loosen instead.
=20
John,
=E2=80=9962 BT&
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 2:28 PM
Cc: Alan Wasserman <AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com =
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
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Just a warning to all. As you may imagine, sometimes our wheels may ? =
loosen. Had my BJ8 on the lift today, checking brakes. Jiggled the =
wheels, just because. Rear left had =E2=80=9Csignificant" lateral =
movement. Took the old rubber mallet and had to tighten almost 1/4 =
turn. Very scary. Please check your wheels whenever your car is on a =
lift. Happy rides.
=20
On Apr 14, 2025, at 2:00=E2=80=AFPM, healeys-request@autox.team.net =
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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Call me silly, but I rather like the slightly flattened =
side on a knock-off that has been tightened with the factory-supplied =
brass hammer.=C2=A0 It adds to the patina and, in my opinion, is part of =
the car=E2=80=99s journey.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>I too tighten my wheels when off the ground and have never =
had one come loose.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'>Cheers, Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert =
Markovich via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> April 15, 2025 9:00 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> sbyers@ec.rr.com; Michael Salter =
<michaelsalter@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Alan Wasserman =
<alanwassermannc@gmail.com>; Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Healeys =
Tires/wheels lose<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I've =
always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised, then, after =
lowering it, given it a final few whacks with the wheels on the ground. =
Never had one loosen yet! Will also be looking into a neat new =
long-handled alloy knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH =
Spares where the alloy business end is shaped to slip over the knockoff. =
I imagine the long handle will provide the needed leverage entirely =
missing from those flimsy two-handled wooden tools, which I've found =
worthless.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></di=
v></div><div id=3D"ydpcdae574eyahoo_quoted_4886558064"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael Salter <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Sadly AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge Whitworth who =
patented the self tightening splined wheel hub in =
1921.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205yqt57953><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers--- via Healeys, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'>The knockoffs are designed to =
tighten while driving. But experience has taught me that they can =
loosen if not seated to begin with, and they might not be seated if =
tightened with the weight on the hub. My theory is that weight on =
the wheel makes the knockoff off-center when tightened. =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'>Here is the AI-generated =
response to the question: =E2=80=9CShould knockoffs be tightened =
with the weight on, or off, the wheel?</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>=E2=80=9CKnock-off hubs should be tightened with =
the weight off the vehicle</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>. This ensures proper torque and prevents the wheel from being =
unevenly seated. While on the ground, the wheel is subjected to weight =
distribution, and the knock-off might not seat as snugly when tightened =
under load.=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Steve Byers</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>HBJ8L/36666</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>BJ8 Registry</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>AHCA Delegate at Large</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>F=
rom:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> =
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>JSARCH via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14, 2025 6:46 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Alan Wasserman' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">alanwassermannc@gmail.com</a>>; 'Healeys' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>I=
nteresting. The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while the car is driving. =
Below is an A.I. generated answer to the question =E2=80=9Cdo knock-offs =
tighten while driving=E2=80=9D:</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&=
nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Y=
es, knock-offs are designed to be self-tightening while driving, meaning =
they can become tighter as the vehicle moves forward. However, if they =
are not installed correctly or if the vehicle is towed in reverse, they =
can loosen instead.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>&=
nbsp;</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>J=
ohn,</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>=E2=
=80=9962 BT&</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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#E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>F=
rom:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> =
Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Alan Wasserman<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14, 2025 2:28 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Healeys <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Alan =
Wasserman <<a href=3D"mailto:AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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style=3D'color:#26282A'> </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Just a warning to all. As you may imagine, =
sometimes our wheels may ? loosen. Had my BJ8 on the lift today, =
checking brakes. Jiggled the wheels, just because. Rear left =
had =E2=80=9Csignificant" lateral movement. Took the old =
rubber mallet and had to tighten almost 1/4 turn. <i>Very =
scary</i>. Please check your wheels whenever your car is on a =
lift. Happy rides.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
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style=3D'color:#26282A'>On Apr 14, 2025, at 2:00</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
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=80=AF</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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target=3D"_blank">healeys-request@autox.team.net</a> =
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