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4-lb lead sacrificial hammers don't damage the knock-on/offs at all.
Once, when I didn't have one, I used a wood block and a small
sledgehammer, and flattened an ear a bit.
On 4/15/2025 6:34 AM, m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca wrote:
>
> Call me silly, but I rather like the slightly flattened side on a
> knock-off that has been tightened with the factory-supplied brass
> hammer. It adds to the patina and, in my opinion, is part of the
> carâ??s journey.
>
> I too tighten my wheels when off the ground and have never had one
> come loose.
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Markovich via Healeys
> *Sent:* April 15, 2025 9:00 AM
> *To:* sbyers@ec.rr.com; Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Alan Wasserman <alanwassermannc@gmail.com>; Healeys
> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
>
> I've always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised, then,
> after lowering it, given it a final few whacks with the wheels on the
> ground. Never had one loosen yet! Will also be looking into a neat new
> long-handled alloy knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH
> Spares where the alloy business end is shaped to slip over the
> knockoff. I imagine the long handle will provide the needed leverage
> entirely missing from those flimsy two-handled wooden tools, which
> I've found worthless.
>
> On Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael Salter
> <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sadly AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge Whitworth who
> patented the self tightening splined wheel hub in 1921.
>
> On Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers--- via Healeys,
> <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> The knockoffs are designed to tighten while driving. But
> experience has taught me that they can loosen if not seated to
> begin with, and they might not be seated if tightened with the
> weight on the hub. My theory is that weight on the wheel makes
> the knockoff off-center when tightened.
>
> Here is the AI-generated response to the question:Â â??Should
> knockoffs be tightened with the weight on, or off, the wheel?
>
> *â??Knock-off hubs should be tightened with the weight off the
> vehicle*. This ensures proper torque and prevents the wheel from
> being unevenly seated. While on the ground, the wheel is subjected
> to weight distribution, and the knock-off might not seat as snugly
> when tightened under load.â??
>
> Steve Byers
>
> HBJ8L/36666
>
> BJ8 Registry
>
> AHCA Delegate at Large
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
> *JSARCH via Healeys
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2025 6:46 PM
> *To:* 'Alan Wasserman' <alanwassermannc@gmail.com>; 'Healeys'
> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
>
> Interesting. The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while the car is
> driving. Below is an A.I. generated answer to the question â??do
> knock-offs tighten while drivingâ??:
>
> Yes, knock-offs are designed to be self-tightening while driving,
> meaning they can become tighter as the vehicle moves forward.
> However, if they are not installed correctly or if the vehicle is
> towed in reverse, they can loosen instead.
>
> John,
>
> â??62 BT&
>
> *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of
> *Alan Wasserman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2025 2:28 PM
> *To:* Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Cc:* Alan Wasserman <AlanWassermanNC@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels lose
>
> Just a warning to all. As you may imagine, sometimes our wheels
> may ? loosen. Had my BJ8 on the lift today, checking brakes.
> Jiggled the wheels, just because. Rear left had â??significant"
> lateral movement. Took the old rubber mallet and had to tighten
> almost 1/4 turn. /Very scary/. Please check your wheels whenever
> your car is on a lift. Happy rides.
>
> On Apr 14, 2025, at 2:00â?¯PM, healeys-request@autox.team.net wrote:
>
>
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4-lb lead sacrificial hammers don't damage the knock-on/offs at all.
Once, when I didn't have one, I used a wood block and a small
sledgehammer, and flattened an ear a bit. <br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/15/2025 6:34 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Call
me silly, but I rather like the slightly flattened side on a
knock-off that has been tightened with the factory-supplied
brass hammer. It adds to the patina and, in my opinion, is
part of the carâ??s journey.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
too tighten my wheels when off the ground and have never had
one come loose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Robert Markovich via Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> April 15, 2025 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>; Michael Salter
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";><michaelsalter@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alan Wasserman
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com";><alanwassermannc@gmail.com></a>;
Healeys
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Healeys Tires/wheels
lose<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I've
always tightened the knockoffs with the vehicle raised,
then, after lowering it, given it a final few whacks
with the wheels on the ground. Never had one loosen yet!
Will also be looking into a neat new long-handled alloy
knockoff-tightening/loosening tool offered by AH Spares
where the alloy business end is shaped to slip over the
knockoff. I imagine the long handle will provide the
needed leverage entirely missing from those flimsy
two-handled wooden tools, which I've found
worthless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Tuesday, April 15, 2025, 08:09:28 AM EDT, Michael
Salter <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div id="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205">
<div>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Sadly
AI doesn't give credit to the ingenuity of Rudge
Whitworth who patented the self tightening
splined wheel hub in 1921.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
Tue., Apr. 15, 2025, 4:12 a.m. sbyers---
via Healeys, <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">The
knockoffs are designed to tighten
while driving. But experience has
taught me that they can loosen if not
seated to begin with, and they might
not be seated if tightened with the
weight on the hub. My theory is that
weight on the wheel makes the knockoff
off-center when tightened. </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Here
is the AI-generated response to the
question:Â â??Should knockoffs be
tightened with the weight on, or off,
the wheel?</span><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">â??Knock-off
hubs should be tightened with the
weight off the vehicle</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">.
This ensures proper torque and
prevents the wheel from being unevenly
seated. While on the ground, the wheel
is subjected to weight distribution,
and the knock-off might not seat as
snugly when tightened under
load.â??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">Steve Byers</span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">HBJ8L/36666</span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">BJ8 Registry</span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">AHCA Delegate at
Large</span><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><b><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>JSARCH via
Healeys<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14,
2025 6:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Alan Wasserman' <<a
href="mailto:alanwassermannc@gmail.com"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">alanwassermannc@gmail.com</a>>;
'Healeys' <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Interesting.
The knock-off on my BT7 tighten while
the car is driving. Below is an A.I.
generated answer to the question â??do
knock-offs tighten while
drivingâ??:</span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Â </span><span
lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Yes,
knock-offs are designed to be
self-tightening while driving, meaning
they can become tighter as the vehicle
moves forward. However, if they are
not installed correctly or if the
vehicle is towed in reverse, they can
loosen instead.</span><span
lang="EN-US"
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Healeys <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan
Wasserman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 14,
2025 2:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Healeys <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc:</b> Alan Wasserman <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys]
Healeys Tires/wheels lose</span><span
lang="EN-US"
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<p
class="ydpcdae574eyiv4062056205msonormal"><span lang="EN-US"
style="color:#26282A">Just a warning
to all. As you may imagine, sometimes
our wheels may ? loosen. Had my BJ8
on the lift today, checking brakes.Â
Jiggled the wheels, just because.Â
Rear left had â??significant" lateral
movement. Took the old rubber mallet
and had to tighten almost 1/4 turn. Â <i>Very
scary</i>. Please check your wheels
whenever your car is on a lift. Happy
rides.</span><span lang="EN-US"
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